I Still Believe In That by Ash Bowers

Make no mistake, they're out there.  Hypocrites like rodger davis who will tell you "children hinder the work of the lawd" while he and his second wife,verna, lie about adopting tanya maxamillia reynolds davis kekel.  That's why it is important to base your faith on only the blood of Jesus Christ, His finished work of the cross, His mercy that is a GIFT.  Otherwise you will be stuck seeking the approval of a hypocrite like davis or his selfish son-in-law mike kekel who will laugh at your need and try to break up your marriage, all in the name of the Lord.  Don't fall for their lies.  Just look to the Lord Who bought you with His blood, His sinless sacrifice, your price paid in full.

I Still Believe In That by Ash Bowers video link

HAMPTON'S HOMELESSNESS REVISITED; butt not retracted!

Recently the Hampton's Homeless Situation has come back into public light. Someone wants this story to disappear and forever go away; because it shows how cruel and thoughtless (and greedy) r w davis is; (yup, rodger w davis the new testament christian churches of America, inc. founder and long time President, now president defacto (which means he says he's retired but he lives in a house valued at $1.1 million dollars that is owned by the so-called "nonprofit" ('splain that' Spanky) ntcc aka new testament christian churches of America, inc., aka "that bunch" up thar in Graham, Wa. with deep roots in St. Louis, Missouri where they called themselves new testament church of God (ntcg) a corporation they have kept on the Missouri State records "just in case" -- i.e. in case someone finally sues them for rampant abuse and they need a back-up borg name so they can fleece new unsuspecting souls who have finally learned the truth about ntcc but don't know ntcg is owned by the same "bunch" as ntcc (imo).

Okay. So ntcc wants the Hampton Homeless story to go away; because everyone knows you don't love God if you don't love people. Folks may not know the scripture 1 Jo 4:19-21 that explains this truth; but they have enough "walkin' around sense" to know that a true "pastor" would NEVER allow ANYONE to go homeless when it is well within his or her means to help. For example, the ntcc, which is a multi-million dollar corporation, has more than enough assets to care for 2 adults and 4 kids laboring for ntcc only 15 miles from the ntcc's empty campground which has hundreds of empty beds. And even if ntcc as a multi-million dollar corporation does not care enough about its own pastors to help Rev. Hampton and his four kids and wife, well, davis, the then-time ntcc president, who is very likely paid ten percent of the corporate assets could well afford to help this family that is working for him and his corporation. Instead davis let the Hampton's remain homeless.

The Hampton's, family of six, four kids and two adults, were left homeless by the hireling rodger w davis while Hampton worked to build a New Testament Christian Church for NTCC in Mexico, Missouri, a town only 15 miles from the NTCC National Campground that has literally hundreds of empty beds. Here is a Bing Aerial View Image of the 80+ acre NTCC National Campground:

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And if the corporation NTC was unwilling to dip into its multi-million dollar coffers to help this family laboring for them, davis could have helped by allowing the Hamptons to stay in his huge ski-lodge style vacation home on the ntcc campground, a building named (appropriately) "The Lodge".

"The Lodge" owned by r w and verna and tanya m (michael c kekel) davis / ntcc/g

This is a picture of The Lodge. Notice how huge it is compared to Pop Gaylord (blue shirt) and the other folks standing around in front of it. Upstairs there are six bedrooms with queen size beds and two full bathrooms in the "common area" used for guests. On the end (right side of the photo) upstairs is a private master suite with its own parlor (sitting room), bedroom with king size bed, and full bath. There is also a large balcony for this master suite that runs the width of the building, (accessed from sliding glass doors) and wraps around the front of the building.  The three guest bedrooms on the front side of the Lodge each have their own balconies with sliding glass door access (two appear in the photo)  Downstairs is a huge fireplace in the center of the building, two separate living room areas (his and her style furniture), a huge conference table, a large area used to showcase some of davis' collectibles, and a huge open central area. There is also a half-bath, laundry room, and large kitchen. Why share all this? To show how easily davis could have helped the Hamptons, but instead davis chose to leave this family homelss while they worked building another ntcc church!

"The Lodge" was owned by rodger w and verna and tanya m (kekel) davis until r w davis unloaded the tax burden on ntc, while boasting of retaining full decision-making power as to who does or does not get to stay there -- ensuring a minimum amount of guests in order to get the tax write-off on the property.

Now an anonymous commenter on Jeff's blog wants to try to discredit this true story, demanding a retraction (make it go away). Hmmn. Let's look at anonymous' comment as posted on Jeff's thread aptly titled "Not About Souls":

Ange consider this a rebuttal to your oft repeated and wholly inaccurate Hampton Homeless Story. When Richard Hampton moved to Mexico Mo. he had just sold a property in Graham, and had enough liquidity to purchase a home for cash at auction in Mexico Mo. which he did. The time the Hamptons spent living with the Dicksons enabled them to remodel the home purchased for cash without having to live in the construction dust. This has been confirmed with Anthony Hampton, and yes I also hang out with Phil, David, and even Chrissy several times a year as well as their children. I post anonymously because among the Rakers of Muck you are the nastiest. We'll see if you have the integrity to retract this inaccurate story you have told numerous times on numerous blogs. It just ain't true. You should probably stick to relating your experiences because those are your own, and refrain from invoking the experiences of innocents who have not asked you to name them publicly in these forums. April 01, 2011 8:43 PM

And here it is again with our response woven into it:

Anonymous said,

Ange consider this a rebuttal (note the word BUTT) to your oft repeated (as it should be) and wholly inaccurate (Wrong, anonymous. The story is spot-on accurate, as even someone as blind as you shall see.) Hampton Homeless Story (which should be the focus; but anonymous has another agenda other than the Hamptons being left homeless by a hireling [davis] who poses as their pastor). When Richard Hampton moved to Mexico Mo. he had just sold a property in Graham, (True. Any ntcc member has to sell all he has and move lock-stock-and- barrel at the whim of the commanding general, r w davis; because ntcc won't provide any funds to help someone; and you better do the general's bidding, or get run-off for being "rebellious" or "proud" or "just didn't want God" or for "loving a house more than God" [which really describes davis and kekel more than anyone else we can think of] or any other ntcc catch phrase designed to slander someone without anyone verifying the other side of the story. In fact, this selling of Hampton's home and property may be the real reason davis ordered Hampton to Mexico, MO; since the ntc tried to grab Hampton's property at a low-ball, lower - than - market - rate price; trying to squeeze a brother and rob him!  [And this is backed up by eli gesang's jacking-up Hampton when he refused ntc's selfish low-ball offer made to him while Hampton was trying to give all he has to help build the borg... hmmnn)

[Hampton] had enough liquidity (big word, anon. Most people / members in ntc don't have enough money to even think in terms of 'liquidity'; because everything they have goes into the ntc, making davis and his family (the kekekls) richer off the sacrifice of the people doing the work.)

... to purchase a home for cash (Really? How do you know it was "for cash"?)


at auction in Mexico Mo.  Uhn-hunh...  And tell us, anonymous of the liquidity vocabulary, aren't houses sold at auction MUCH cheaper than most houses?  So not much cash was involved.  And also buying at auction usually requires only a ten-percent down payment in cash while the remainder is often financed.  So often only ten percent is actual cash.


So Hampton probably didn't have much cash to throw around, did he?  No.  How do we know?
  

BECAUSE HAMPTON AND HIS WIFE AND FOUR KIDS WERE HOMELESS!  


OBVIOUSLY NO CASH WAS AVAILABLE!


Meanwhile davis the hireling is all fat and cozy in one of his many houses and the campground sits empty only 15 miles away.

which he did Good for Hampton!  Anyone who labors for umpteen years for God in the ntc deserves to own their own house, especially a guy with four kids who just sold his house and property to go build a work for the borg. And any woman like Diana who has spent decades housing and feeding G.I.s in servicemen's works, moving her sons with her all over the world, sacrificing all they have to help others, that woman ESPECIALLY deserves to have her own house / home where she can take care of her family! 

And isn't this interesting:  

• How does anonymous know how much 'liquidity' (cash) Hampton had?
• What business is THAT of the borg or anonymous to know how much cash someone has?
• What business is THAT how the Hampton's purchased anything???

It should be nobody else's business how much cash or anything else you have!!!! The only time they need to be CONCERNED is if you don't have something that they do have.  Then they should help; as it is commanded in the bible.)

The time the Hamptons spent living with the Dicksons (This "living with the Dicksons" is a euphemism-something said to make something bad look better than it is. 

The fact is that the Hamptons stayed and slept in Dicksons' GARAGE. We don't consider that "living with the Dicksons" - to be reduced to staying in an old, decrepit, run-down garage like oily rags, while your so-called pastor lives in luxury and leaves you homeless 15 miles away from an empty campground that he has full control over!  Thank God the Dickson's helped in the only way they could.  It was more than davis did for the Hampton family!

The time the hamptons spent living with the Dicksons enabled (Freudian slip for enabling further abuse) 

 them to remodel the home (another euphemism for fixin' up an old house to make it habitable) 

purchased for cash (notice anonymous' fixation on CASH).  Once again, obviously Hamptons' were strapped at this point or they would not have been homeless!

and yes I also hang out with (sounds like another euphemism for being in the same fellowhship hall with them and 200 of your other 'close friends'- ahem-) 

Phil, David, and even Chrissy several times a year as well as their children (Thanks for leaving out the name of the children, who are minors, unlike the Hampton's now adult kids whose names appear in my posts to show credibility). 

I post anonymously because among the Rakers of Muck (another Freudian slip, since mUck is one of many nick-names given to m c kekel who hates to be called mike. Well, mUck, you certainly are getting raked over the hot coals on these blogs; aren't you? But we suppose that is only REAPING considering how much you and your father-in-law davis blast people from the pulpit, plowing their fields for your private benefit / perverse pleasure.) 

you [Ange] are the nastiest. (Ah! Thank you, anonymous. This statement reveals the true nature of why you have posted this reBUTTal: You think I am the "nastiest" of "all the Rakers of Muck". You want to show me something? 

Well, anonymous, you have shown me that I have successfully eXposed some of the ntc's nastiest and dirtiest mUck, such as the true stories that may be found in the comments section for the story found at this link,

• r w davis guilty of adultery
• ashmores's son's adultery covered-up by the borg, 
• davis runs-off mike marshall, and this true story of 
• davis leaves the Hampton's Homeless despite all their sacrifice and suffering. 

Which brings us to our next point: 

davis never should have ordered the Hamptons to to go do this work. They should have had time to heal. Rich had just lost his wife Penny to the adulterous affair she had with ashmore's son jerry duran, and Diana (marshall) Hampton had just lost her husband mike to davis' infamously and deliberately cruel remark, "If you walk out that door, I'm not coming after you!) Plus her sons Kerry and Carl were grievously hurt by all this, as were Hampton's four children that you have named here. 

The point is that these families needed time to heal from these severe blows. As Mom Gaylord told Diana, "There's only so much one person can take." A real pastor and shepherd would care for his flock and give them time to heal. But davis the hireling breaks out the whip and drives God's flock like a cruel taskmaster, laughing at their homelessness, while requiring them to build another ntc church. 

We'll see if you have the integrity (As if you, anonymous of questionable character, have room to judge anyone for integrity? This is more manipulative cult language trying to bring about what this pampered anonymous wants--ie do what I say or I will take my ball and go home and say that you have no integrity, whaahhn, whhaahhn cries anonymous like a baby with a full diaper!) 

to retract this inaccurate (You mean very ACCURATE true)

true story you have told numerous times (as should be) 

on numerous blogs (and the Dispatch Newspaper, in case you missed it.) 

It just ain't true. (Oh yes it is.) 

You should probably stick to relating your experiences (Try taking your own advice, anonymous. Oh, I guess you don't have any experience.  And try thinking before you make such silly suggestions.  Reporters make money reporting other people's stories.  Happens every day all around the world.  It is called REPORTING.) 

because those are your own (And you, anonymous, doubtless would try to refute those true stories too; just as you have tried to cover-up this ture story, trying to say its all false.  But these are all true - including the Hamptons Homeless true story), 

and refrain from invoking the experiences (O00oohhh, more big words, anonymous!  Are you trying to impress someone or prove something to yourself?)

of innocents (eXactly true--the hamptons were innocent victims here; who were mercilessly abused and used by r w davis) 

who have not asked you (Right! Abuse victims SELDOM DO ask for help; and on the rare occasions when they do, they often change their minds and turn and attack those who came to help them. For example, a woman who is repeatedly beaten by her 'husband' realizes (from past experiences) that THIS is a severe beat-down that may result in death. In a panic she calls the police, hoping they arrive before the fatal blow. However, once the cops arrive, frequently this same victim will turn and attack the police, even physically, trying to defend the one who was beating her down. It is true and a valid example here. No one likes to admit that they have been hurt by those who are supposed to love them. After years of abuse they believe the lies of their abusers and wrongfully blame themselves, believing the abuser's lies such as: 

"Look what you made me do!" and 

"I'm going to jail because of YOU!"

Nope. You are wrong, abuser. You are going to jail because YOU abused the one who loved you; not because they REPORTED your abuse. That is the same thing here: 

NTCC is in trouble because of THEIR ACTIONS, NOT because WE REPORT their actions! 

I love when people say X-ers are negative. X-ers are not negative; they simply share what the ntc does. It is what ntc does that is negative. Talking about how ntc treats people shows how negative ntc is.)

innocents that have not asked you to name them publicly in these forums. (It is absolutely necessary to name these innocent victims in these public forums for many reasons:)

1. Names prove our credibility by allowing people to verify the truth.
2. Names show who is innocent; because other people watch our lives and know who is innocent and who is phony.
3. Names eXpose the abusers, warning others to avoid being abused. 
4. Names are vital / critical to preventing and stopping abuse. 

Abusers typically get away with abuse by keeping it a secret. Beaten wives cover their bruises and make excuses for their beaters, "He really didn't mean it." Yes he did. It was not an accident that his fist connected with your face. "He really does love me." No. Charity suffereth long [and] is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, ... You see, an abuser does not love the victim. But the victim does love the abuser. That is why they suffer long and are kind. You cannot break the scripture. davis' actions prove he does not love the people he abuses like the Hamptons. The scripture backs up what we share here:

But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels [of compassion] from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?  (1 John 3:17)
My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. (1 John 3:18)
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?  (1 John 4:20)
And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.(1 John 4:21)

In obedience to this scriptue we have shared these painful truths with all; for it is written:

Faithful [are] the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy [are] deceitful.  (Prov. 27:6)

We have risked wounding you with our true words, ntcc friends,  to help you (as any true friend would). In battle a soldier who is wounded may go into shock. Though his arm is ripped off, he will continue fighting, oblivious to his life-threatening wound, focused on the mission. His friends will stop him, even though it means making him painfully aware of his life-threatening injury; they will do so to save his life. Our words may hurt; but our desire is to save our friends' lives by exposing the wounds; so they can receive care and be healed. davis' empty words of "I love you." and "I appreciate you." are just the deceitful kisses of an enemy.  Which brings us to a new topic. So ...

We close here. But first we will thank anonymous for once again bringing attention to this vital topic of Hamptons' Homelessness showing the true nature of the false shepherd / hireling r w davis.

 "Sunshine" The Happy Cat 

Letters From the Past Part II

Recently, while going through our stuff, trying to get settled into our new house, I found a stack of letters, from many years ago.  After reading through many that were written by pastors and some by board members, I found this letter written by a dear brother and good friend.  After reading this letter I cried because of the internal torment he suffered and my unwillingness to help him.  I look back on my years in the ntcc and it is like a bad dream that you never wake up from.  While there was a lot of good, it was mixed with very bad and unhealthy teachings.  Good people were destroyed and many souls were cast into darkness after being taught that there is no hope outside of the ntcc.  We have made reference to the ntcc claiming to be "God's last hope on earth" and people like mike kekel have refuted this in word. However, in deed and through their preaching they have proven their arrogant stance on their own cult teachings and their practices of isolation.  The following letter was sent to me about twenty years ago:

Clicking on the letter pages will open them. You can enlarge the image using your computer's zoom controls.

(The Brother's name was taken out of this letter to respect his privacy; and I re-typed the letter because after scanning it in it was a little faded.  Also some smart phones do not support this type of image in a convenient fashion.  The letter is retyped word for word without his or his wife's name or address mentioned.)

Brother,
  Hello, how have you been.  I've really missed you over these past months, or has it been a year already?  Honestly it feels like several years to me.  I have finally made it up to Ft. Bragg to begin the "Q-course" for SF.  I report in next Sunday the 12th of March.  My wife and I found us our first house about 5 miles outside post off of Riley Rd.  It's a small 3 bedroom , with 2 bath's a garage, and fireplace.  We just have gotten settled in and everything put away.
  I'm looking forward to starting next week.  The first two months will consist of morse code.  I was assigned to train as a communications sergeant, 18E.  I purchased some audio tapes from Radio Shack on learning morse code.  It has got to be the most aggravating thing that I have ever attempted to do.  I'm at 5 wpm. yet it;s going to take 14 wpm to pass the course.
  The Suzuki Samuari is running as good as ever.  I haven't found the time or the facilities to paint my tiger stripes on it yet, but I will get around to it eventually.  That's a tuff little 4+4, I have had it down many a tank trails on Ft. Stewart.  It's only gotten stuck once, or should I say buried.
  We finally bought us a computer this past Christmas.  It's a Packard Bell, Legend 10CD if that might help for a description.  We purchased it as a package deal with a printer, speakers, and a start up kit that included a mouse etc.  It came with about 10, or 11 CD's including MS-DOS, Windows, Cd-ROM, and some other junk that IM yet to even begin to figure out, or understand.  Prodigy is really interesting I have been toying around with that every now and then.  If you have it maybe we could synchronize a date, time , and a room to utilize the "Chat" line.
  I went back to the church this past summer and tried to make things right with Rev. Dennis.  I think that I did, however I just couldn't get myself to stay there.  It was a combination of conviction, and embarrassment.  I'm writing to you for your advice.  I've tried other churches that you suggested (Church of God), yet I just couldn't get myself to come back.  It just seemed too hypocritical to stay in other churches knowing the truth.  I've missed the church.  I feel like something inside of me has been ripped out.  There's not a day that doesn't go by that I don't think about all the brethren in Korea, the Church, and most importantly God.
  I never knew how hard life is without God in your life.  This past year has shown me how little a foundation I have without the Church.  I have uncovered a truth about myself through all of this.  That its that I cannot exist as a Christian, and expect to live a holy life without New Testament Church in me.  I don't even know if I can even pool myself with those known as the many that will come, and certainly not the few that will enter.  I'm leading myself, and my wife down a dark alley with many pitfalls.
  I feel as if I am dangling by a string.  I want to go to the Church here in Fayetteville, yet IM honestly scared that I will lose everything through another slap in the face.  Yourslf and Rev. Ballard are probably the only two who have seen the whole picture.  Rev. Dennis remarked to me that the previous conference following me leaving the church that my name was brought up amongst all the preachers.  What he said wasn't exactly complimentary as to the nature of the conversation about me.  I'm scared that I have been branded with a reputation as a trouble maker.  What do I do, what do I do?  I've got to seek God, and if it wasn't in God's will for me to go back to the Church then why am I so convicted, daily about returning.  Brother I can't get the church off my mind, it's almost a deafening echo of conviction.  Please tell me what I should do, I just don't know who else to turn to.  I have prayed, and prayed, but the answer isn't coming through except to get back in Church.  I just don't know how.  Should I call the pastor here?  Should I call Rev. Dennis?  Should I ask Rev. Ballard?  Should I just show up and introduce myself?  I just don't know mainly because I don't have any confidence in myself to make the decision.  But I can't sit here any longer and wait for fait to make the first move.  Please, tell me what you think that I should do, and if you don't know just let me hear from you.  Then maybe it will come to me.
Take care of yourself, and may God bless you.  End of letter

I wonder how many weeks or months this tortured soul went to the mailbox hoping to hear from me some words of comfort and consolation.  I wonder how hurt he must have felt by never receiving an answer from me.  I vaguely remember my own conviction of not writing back, gnawing at me for weeks and months after receiving this letter.  I was too caught up in my own "life for God" and the teachings of this cult to help the brother.  "They went out from us [...] because all are not of us"??  I_John 2v19  Or maybe they were blasted from behind the pulpit because they asked a question about tithe?? Or they said the wrong thing to the pastor and others might misconstrue it to be disrespectful??  This brother was no longer welcome and had deep convictions but was in effect dis-fellowshipped.  

"That its that I cannot exist as a Christian, and expect to live a holy life without New Testament Church in me."  This is a cult false-teaching that the ntcc denies teaching; but this letter is proof that they make people feel like the ntcc is God itself.  Jesus said, "If I be lifted up".  Not the church. Not the Pastor. Not davis or denis. This group has exalted their status to that of God himself and has excluded the ones that God loves and cherishes  the most from being a part of their exclusive group.  I'm so glad that I'm no longer a part of this hypocrisy!

This is coming from a person of Character that not only went on to finish the Special Forces Q course and serve his country among the elite group of Special Forces soldiers in the US Army; but recently I've found that he later went through OCS and was selected by congress to be appointed as a Major in the U.S. Army!  My point is that this person is not some weak-minded chump that didn't have the intestinal fortitude to make it through the Army but was in some way run off from the ntcc church pastored by denis (the RWD clone) when he was an Army Ranger assigned to Hunter Army Airfield.

I'm not sure that I remember what this brother's offense was as it was so many years ago; but he was not run off for fornication or drunkenness or adultery or witchcraft or idolatry or murder or rape or any sin that could be found in the bible.  I don't remember the exact reason; but it had to do with a disagreement he had with an ntcc teaching or something he said or did that was misconstrued as an act of disloyalty to 'the man' and the borg.  This brother told me the specifics; and I remember this much; but I don't remember the exact reason that he was cast out.   

In the ntcc there is no disagreeing with the leadership!  They spend years indoctrinating you into their cult.  During this process they make you feel like there is no hope in God outside of their fellowship.  Then they isolate you from family and friends and make you completely reliant upon their teachings for every thing you do in life until disagreeing with them is a sin.  This brother could not reconcile his past with denis and was afraid to go to any other ntcc church; because he knew that denis would spew his hatred of him to others; and that it would be contagious.  

Here we have a dear brother crying out for help, thinking that because he was not welcome in an ntcc church, that he would never find peace in God.  What did I do for him?  What could I do?  I was under the same fog, and thought that I was aiding and abetting a sinner if I helped him.  When reading this letter I could not believe how cold and calculated this group is.  I fit the mold so perfectly.  I could have written back to this brother and at least consoled him.  That brother's last words to me were, "Please, tell me what you think that I should do, and if you don't know just let me hear from you."  I will have to live with this for the rest of my life.  I allowed the wicked cult called the ntcc to destroy a soul; while I was too afraid to even write back and give that brother the least amount of comfort.

If you wonder why we are so passionately against the ntcc and its leaders, read this letter over and over until you get it.  This is not Christ.  Jesus is not in the ntcc; and I don't think He ever was.  This kind of thing went on and on for years and years.  This was taught in bible school and every preacher in the entire organization was an extension of r w davis and every member of every church was an extension of that pastor.  We multiplied the atrocities and sat back and let them happen under the guise of being faithful and loyal to a man.  Don't tell me that this group is a Christian bible believing group!  

I pray to God that people escape and find real happiness outside of this cult.  We lived in fear and watched as people were cut off from all they knew to be right and decent; because they questioned the cult leader or disagreed with their false teachings.  This same man, rodger w. davis is still running people off for less than sin.  There is sin in the camp at the ntcc!  And it is just as bad or worse than any sin that you can imagine!  I'm no longer going to sit back and watch them destroy peoples' lives.  I will speak out against them because I know that they are against God and the people of God!  

People leave this group in fear and they live in fear for the rest of their lives.  'Leaders' in ntcc are the ones that should live in fear!  They should live in fear of their sins being eXposed!  Don't believe them for a minute when they accuse you of betrayal and apostasy.  Are we negative because we tell the truth about this group?  Paul asked the same thing of the Galatians:  So then am I become your enemy, by telling you the truth?  Gal 4v16  I challenge you to read this entire thread and point to one false statement that we have made about the ntcc.  You can't; because everything we have shared is true.  So if we are unchristian for speaking the truth than what does that make the ntcc? 

I hope this brother has found peace with God and finds it in his heart to forgive me for being too weak to help him.  I hope also that our readers will see this letter and realize that we are not the same weak minded people that let things go without a fight.  We are fighting now and will continue to fight against the harmful and destructive practices of the ntcc.

  

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The Celibacy Policy or "Forbidding To Marry"

Part 2:  The Celibacy Policy or "Forbidding To Marry"

Part 1:  My Life And Times With ntcc:  or "Why I Left The ntcc"

Part 3:  Homosexual 'Pastors' In The ntcc; Names Included

Part 4:  Nichelle Tieman's Adultery and Lying:  NOT_Overseer Material

During our years as members of the cult called ntcc, there were many doctrines preached and rules enforced that we went along with out of fear and misunderstanding. Now years later we find that many of the teachings of the ntcc rules are not backed by scripture; but we and many others followed and obeyed these teachings out of fear and misguided zeal for what we thought was "the only true doctrine in the land".

The leaders, pastors, and board members would subtly introduce these rules [now claimed to be 'policies']  at times while preaching salvation; and other times they would boldly preach these rules as scripture, with reckless abandon, not concerned with whom they hurt, or whom they ran off. There is a sickness in the ntcc and among its leadership that compels them to preach Christ crucified and get people genuinely saved and hungering for God; only so that they can indoctrinate them with control policies; and shape them into what best suits ntcc purposes. The #1 goal of r w davis is to convert servants of Christ into servants of RWD. The biggest mistake that we as Christians made in the ntcc is thinking that because we were saved while attending the ntcc, that the ntcc had to be right in their doctrine and 'policies'. "If God saved me here, how could they possibly be wrong?" What makes this so perverse is that it's all done because of money.

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Tim 2:15

The #1 goal of r w davis is to convert servants of Christ into servants of RWD.

We are going to compare ntcc's rules, [now called 'policies' and enforced with dire consequences visited on those who don't obey the rules] with the scripture and "rightly divide the word of truth". We also are going to ask for the millionth time if these rules were right all along why are they now being changed and renamed as 'policies'? Is God still the same? Did the Holy Ghost lie to r w davis when he preached these things to us?

The celibacy policy is where the ntcc forbids marriage.

It is the ntcc's doctrine of matchmaking and forcing members to live in celibacy.

We are not advocating fornication or adultery or child molestation like the ntcc does!

Forced Celibacy or Forbidding to Marry by Forbidding Dating Thru Match-Making Rules:
The first policy rule that we are going to look at is the celibacy policy rule where the ntcc forbids marriage. Let's see if we can find some scriptures that support the ntcc's doctrine of matchmaking and forcing members to live in celibacy.

First of all, we are not advocating fornication or adultery or child molestation as is advocated by the ntcc. michael c kekel has never come out and denied his child molestation of tanya davis when she was a young teen [minor/jailbait] and he was in his early twenties [adult/pedophile].  Therefore we believe the witness of Vic Johanson in previous posts on Jeff's blog and this blog. Vic has no reason to lie and MCK has every reason in the world to cover it up.

Here's what the scripture says; now lets honestly try to rightly divide the word of truth as we read:

Now lets honestly try to RIGHTLY divide the word of truth as we read what the scripture says; and, please, no 'private interpretations' or 'secret revelations'...

"Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband." 1 Cor 7:2
"For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that."
"I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I."
"But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn." 1 Cor 7:7-9
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;"
"Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;"
"Forbidding to marry, [and commanding] to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth." 1 Tim 4:1-3

We can find no supporting scripture that justifies what the ntcc has done to many of its members... forbidding single men from talking to single women ... forbidding them to date and thus forbidding them to marry.  That contradicts God's word!

These are just a few scriptures that we have taken five minutes to look up. Rightly dividing these words of truth, we can find no supporting scripture that justifies what the ntcc has done to many of its members. We welcome anyone from the ntcc that can find a scripture without twisting it, that supports their practice of forbidding single men from talking to single women, or forbidding them to date, thereby forbidding them to marry. Please:  no 'private interpretations' or 'secret revelations'.


Let The Dead Bury Their Dead:

While my mother was terminally ill, various ntcc leaders put pressure on me to stay in their works so they would have one faithful tithe payer bringing in more income to their works... They used God as an excuse when they told me that "They had prayed; and God wanted me to help them."

They had no consideration for me or my mother; but instead ntcc's stance was, "Let the dead bury their dead."

In 1989, I was stationed in Camp Humphreys, Korea, and helped Rev. L. C. Barnes start a church. In one short year we had about 30 members; and as Rev. Barnes was getting ready to PCS, ntcc sent Tom and Rachel Wright over to run this servicemen's home. We had about 4 people (including myself) that moved into the home and a handful of tithe payers attending church regularly. I had invited many of the members out to church and was very involved and invested in the work.

In October, I went on leave to attend a conference in the States. While on leave, I visited my parents and found out that my mother had cancer. She asked me if I could stay home with her and help. At first I said no; because I felt that God wanted me in Korea; but only because I was so brainwashed at the time, that I believed the constantly repeated ntcc mantra "let the dead bury their dead" doctrine.

Althouth that is part of the scripture, the ntcc twisted or wrested that scripture.  It was often used by the ntcc to separate people from their families and loved ones just to keep the tithes coming into ntcc coffers.

Mystical Manipulation:  "We Prayed About It.  God Wants You Here."

While at home in Denver, I was attending ntcc services in Colorado Springs and commuting 140 miles round trip just about every day.

1. The Tiemans were in Colorado Springs; and they told me that they had prayed; and God wanted me to help them.
2. I would talk to the Wrights on the phone; and they felt that God wanted me there; and that the home in Korea depended on me. 

Is God double-minded?  No.  Clearly both the Tiemans and the Wrights were using mystical manipulation on me, claiming they had the 'mind of God'.  Rubbish.  They were just using me.

Finally, David Tieman (Sr.) called r. w. davis and told him that the Wrights were pressuring me to go back to Korea; and the Tiemans wanted me to put in for a compassionate reassignment in Colorado. RWD told Tieman to have me "Pray about it." and do what God wanted me to do.  That was davis' way of washing his hands of everyone's attempt to mystically manipulate me into staying with them and paying their bills while blaming God, saying, "We prayed about it; God wants you here."

I eventually made the decision to stay in Colorado Springs; and the Army attached me to Fitzsimons Army Medical Center in Denver, pending compassionate reassignment.  Although this was the easy thing to do at the time, it was a sacrifice; because I really wanted to return to Korea and help the work I had started with Rev. Barnes; but after much pressure from all around, I decided to stay in Colorado.

Sexual Temptation Worsened by the Celibacy Rule Forbidding To Marry:

During this time, Nichelle Tieman began to make sexual advances toward me while David Tieman (Sr.) was locked up in his room, "studying God's word". If ntcc did not have their twisted rule forbidding to marry, I would probably have already been married and living in my own home with my own wife.  But ntcc's celibacy rule had already struck major blows against my attempts to seek a normal marital relationship.

Prior to this, I had been denied by two (2) previous pastor's the "privilege of talking to" two other sisters; simply because they were earmarked for bible school! I was 25 years old and the whole celibacy policy rule was not working for me. I did not have the gift of celibacy that the Apostle Paul was speaking of in I Corinthians, chapter 7.

ntcc's celibacy rule is a direct violation of God's word found here:

1 Cr 7:2  Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

If ntcc did not contradict God's Word and have this twisted doctrine, I would have had my own wife and place to stay; I never would have been around for such temptations.  Instead, I was forced to live in celibacy, in a servicemen's home, where the apparently unfulfilled or insatiable 'pastor's wife' would make constant advances towards me.

Nichelle Tieman would rub up against me inappropriately with her breasts and rear end when nobody was around. I almost committed adultery with her but was convicted after inappropriately touching her one evening. After that night, I started rejecting her sexual advances. One morning she came down to my room in the home and knocked on my door. She said that her husband was at work; and she "wanted to lay with me". I rejected that advance and many others.  I also remember her telling me that she loved another brother; he was a worker named Rev. Rice.  She said she would marry him if anything ever happened to her husband David Tieman (Sr.).

Shortly after this, I had invited Ange to church. We were young, the same age, single, Christians and really attracted to each other. She "got right in" and started paying tithe and giving home offerings, even though she didn't live in the home. By ntcc standards that meant she was "really saved" or a Christian. I really believed God was blessing me and her, and that we'd be married and spend the rest of our happy lives together.  But that didn't happen, thanks to the ntcc's celibacy rule and nichelle tieman's lying.

Meanwhile, in Colorado, I commuted back and forth from Denver, where my mother was dying, to Colorado Springs, where the servicemen's home was located.  I did this for about 6 months, many times without missing any ntcc services, soul winning, prayer meetings, or events.   My Mom, who was already saved, had attended church service at ntcc one night, when james ross  ashmore was preaching.  She said that she had never in her life met anyone as cold as he was.   She came to church a few times; and my younger brother also came out to some services.

My mother died in 1990. When I got the call about my Mom, I was in the Tieman's living room. I told the Tieman's that my mom had went home to be with the Lord.

Nichelle Tieman said, "Your mother wasn't saved; if she was, she would have attended our services regularly and adhered to our holiness standards."

Nichelle might as well have hit me in the head with a club! I was shocked and furious inside!

I remembered back to when I was 8 years old; I used to roll joints for my mom. I remembered when she used to drink and bring home strange men. I also remembered when my Mom started going to an Assembly of God Church and got saved and stopped drinking and drugs and had Christ in her life. She was certainly saved by the grace of God and had the fruits of the Holy Spirit in her life!

Around this time, I called Pop Gaylord and told him what Nichelle was doing and confessed my role in it. He relayed the info to r. w. davis; within a week rdub came through to assess the situation. He decided to remove the Tieman's from the work in Colorado Springs and sent them to Portland, Oregon.

While he was there, Nichelle told davis that Ange felt like she was 'called' to go to Bible School; which was an outright lie. At this time Ange and I were talking about marriage. From this point on Ange felt pressured to go to bs and eventually went.

This 'little lie' that Nichelle told would ruin two marriages for Ange. One that should have happened; and one that never should have happened. This would also trigger 7 more years of celibacy in my life and an eventual decision to leave not only the ntcc, but also God.

I often asked myself what I had done to deserve this treatment. After making one of the biggest decisions of my life to stay, help, and support this cult called the New Testament Christian Church in Colorado Springs, they caused this miscarriage of justice! I was giving more than 10% tithe, offerings, home offerings, building fund pledges, world missions pledges, attending all services and functions, rejecting sexual advances by Nichelle Tieman, bringing dozens of people to church every month, commuting thousands of miles to help my terminally ill mother; and I loved God and the Tiemans in spite of what they had done and what was going on. But this was my 'reward'?   I wish I could say that this was an isolated instance; but it is not.

The ntcc often referred to itself as "the last hope for a lost and dying world". But instead of bringing hope, they were crushing it. Instead of saving the lost, they were driving Christians away from God.

These blogs are full of stories of cruel injustices committed by the ntcc, of lives that have been devastated, of families that have been torn apart, and of people that ntcc has used up, rejected, and sent back out into 'the world' to start their lives over with nothing.  All their finances have gone to the ntcc.  All their family ties have been broken from those who don't attend ntcc.  They have no careers or pensions or insurance or future.  They have to start life over, from scratch, with no support system.  Even their life-long ntcc friends and family will forsake them, treating them as if leaving ntcc equals leaving God.  The borg treats them as reprobates.  It's sad and so needless.

We write these things not because of hatred or revenge, but to warn people, and to let others know that they are not alone in their suffering, and, if possible, to trigger repentance.

These are not lies, but rather facts; that can be verified by two or more witnesses; and, above all, God knows all about it. The same ones that call us reprobates are the ones that have abused their salvation - if they ever had it - and will have to answer for it. We will continue to be a voice of truth that tells you the true story - a different story than that which the ntcc has to share.

We implore everyone that is involved with this cult to take a closer look and escape with what's left of your life. If you are thinking about attending, do your homework first.

• Study cults and their tactics.
• Learn about mind control.
• See how cult leaders use it to control every aspect of your life.
• Study the bible.
• See if you can find examples of Jesus or his followers destroying peoples' lives with unbiblical policies such as the celibacy policy of forbidding to marry.
• Use the ntcc's own standards to decide if they are a 'bible believing church' that follows Jesus' examples of love and temperance. 

But if you find they act like a cult, well... "If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and waddles like a duck, it's probably a duck!"  SO....

If it looks like a cult, talks like a cult, and changes rules like a cult, it's probably a cult!

Related Posts:

Don's Story [Click Link To See All His Posts In A Mobile View]

Part 2:  The Celibacy Policy:  or "Forbidding To Marry"

Part 1:  My Life and Times In The ntcc:  "Why I Left The ntcc"

Part 3:  Homosexual 'Pastors' In The ntcc: Names Included

Part 4:  Nichelle Tieman's Adultery and Lying:  NOT_Overseer Material


Coming Up: The ntcc Adultery or Divorce on Demand Policy:


Crossing The Line:  Part 1 of Adultery On Demand

Spouse Swapping:   Part 2 of Divorce On Demand 

Vote Anonymously On This Post By Clicking On The Lettered Boxes Below:

A) Sounds Like A True Description Of The ntcc.

B) ntcc Sounds Like A Cult.

C) I Read This Post.

D) ntcc encourages sexual impropriety by forbidding marriages, tempting people to sin since they are not "allowed" by ntcc leaders to get married or even date or talk to other single people.

E) ntcc often requires members to do things that have no biblical basis, like forbidding single people from talking to each other.

F) Create Your Own By Leaving A Comment: Example:

"F" I'm afraid to be caught commenting on this blog.

G) Glad To Be Out of ntcc.

H) Create Your Own By Leaving A Comment: Example:

"H" ntcc manipulates who marries whom by controlling who is "allowed" to talk with whom. As a result, ntcc controls who does and does not get married.

I) I'm Thinking Of Leaving ntcc

J) Create Your Own By Leaving A Comment: Example:

"J" ntcc has ruined my chances of marrying and dating someone I liked just because ntcc has weird man-made rules.

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Why Delete The Truth?

Hmnn...To Delete Or Not... 

On Deb's and Greg's blog, on the thread titled The Fear and Frustration in facing Pastor Davis. Fresh from the manly mind of Pastor Briggs... a former ntcc minister (who at one time lived in the Hawaii ntcc servicemens' home) named Kris M. asked Greg or Deb to remove all of Kris's previous comments from their blog.  Here's our reaction to this:  

Don and Ange said...

Greg, we are glad you don't have time right now to delete Kris's comments. 

Kris wrote such good  comments with real insight to how ntcc operates based solely on his personal experience and growing knowledge of the bible.  It seems counterproductive to remove these true stories.

We wonder if Kris has left the ntcc only physically, but is still held captive by the ntcc spiritually.

ntcc uses fear to control people.  ntcc even twists a natural fear or reverence of God into an unnatural fearful spirit that makes people do strange things.  People are too afraid of God; we wonder if that is the case here too.

God did instruct not to touch His anointed; yet God also records instances of His anointed being corrected and even rebuked.

The bible admonishes us to study the word so we can rightly divide the word of truth.

God never intended our reverence of Him to cause us to  hide hypocrisy.  Jesus clearly openly rebuked the hypocrites, warning them of impending judgment.

We don't need to fear eXposing ntcc's rampant hypocrisy, and double standards, and blatant sin.  We should see it as our duty to sound the trumpet to warn others of the ntcc's false doctrines just as the apostles clearly warned Christians of false teachers; writing letters that are now the books of the new testament.  They constantly detailed the differences between real Christianity and hypocrisy.  There is no shame in the truth  and no need to delete or hide our comments or articles based on real life experiences and knowledge of the truth.

Vote Anonymously On This Post By Clicking On The Lettered Boxes Below:

A)  Sounds True

B)  Sounds Cultish

C)  I Read It

D)  kekel Rocks

E)   kekel Is Weak

F)   Create Your Own By Leaving A Comment:  Example:  "F"  I'm afraid to be caught commenting on this blog

G)   Glad To Be Out of ntcc

H)  Create Your Own

I)    I'm Thinking Of Leaving ntcc

J)  Create Your Own

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