A More Direct Approach for You Bible Believing ntcc'rs

Over on Chief's blog there is an individual that goes by the pen-name "D" who has recently started attending the ntcc.  In a lot of ways he or she is a lot like many of us were when we got involved in the cult.  We all pledged our lives to this group and hung on every word spoken from the pulpit.  Not sure how others felt but for me, it was all or nothing.  As Maurice, Diana and others have recently stated on our blog and Chief's blog, we all gave up our families and pledged our undying loyalty to the ntcc.  Unfortunately, when many of us first started out on our cult journey, we didn't have the internet and information was controlled to the extent that we didn't really have a clue what was going on, who had left, where the money was going, why families were being broken apart and what these under-educated, fire and brimstone preaching self-proclaimed apostles were all about.

I can almost sympathize with D if it weren't for all the information that he has at his fingertips.  Another ntcc'r got on and started talking about how that none of us attend church and supposedly all we do is complain about giving money to the church and how we didn't realize how it costs money to keep the heat and lights on and to pay rent, and so on.  To be perfectly honest with you, that was completely lame and ignorant because that person has obviously been in the ntcc for a while and has been drinking their Koolaid for quite some time.  If they had a brain or read even a few blog posts, they would see how much we have given to the ntcc, making us very familiar with the costs.  We were the ones footing those bills, not kekel or any of the other lame so-called full-time "ministers" who never ministered.  Seriously, screaming at  G.I.s to "give 'til it hurts" or telling some poor, unsuspecting, first-time visitor lady that "she is going to split hell wide open for being a Jezebel" because she wears make up, that is NOT ministering.  Minister, by definition, means "servant".  You would be hard pressed to find a single "servant" heart in most ntcc "pastors". If they had one coming into ntcc, it was exploited to serve the board members' pleasure:  Scrub my mansion, wash my million dollar Recreational Vehicle, shine my hand-stiched, over-priced, Italian leather wingtip shoes.  Eventually the wanna-be bible school student gets the lesson pounded into him that the members are there to serve the pastor.  Which is totally opposite of the example set by Jesus, Who was a servant of all.

Following is a video showing disciples who imitate Christ by going out to be servants of all, as they state in the video's description:

"Video slide show to the Misty Edwards song "Servant Of All"Elevate Him relief team in action.

Pictures of our last trip to Talanga, Honduras building a medical clinic and working at an orphanage. Bringing relief supplies out to the slums and dumps in the city."

*"Video Removed by User"*
Servant of All by Misty Edwards watch on YouTube

Since the first video got removed by the user, we will share this alternate so you can hear the song.  It states the following in the description:

"Scenes from Jesus of Nazareth *** Sitting down, Jesus called the Twelve and said, "If anyone wants to be first, he must be the very last, and the servant of all." Mark 9:35 NIV"

Servant of All by Misty Edwards on YouTube

I've been trying to be good and have compassion for ntcc'rs; but when someone as ignorant as the anonymous commentator on Chief's blog comes along, it's hard to maintain composure.  It's no secret that the ntcc cult leaders are getting filthy rich.  They don't even hide it any more.  I know that many of you ntcc'rs use the excuse that God is blessing them; but it's really time to wake up, turn on your brain and stop being so gullible.  Chief has broken this down so perfectly that a first grader would be able to understand it; and yet people still find a way to ignore the hypocrisy and double standards. We have tried the sympathetic approach and people just don't respond.  I really want to believe that there are some in the ntcc that are just naive and uninformed; but when you take it all in at face value, a person would have to be an idiot to read these blogs and ignore the warnings.

Now I know that we all were deceived.  Such were some of you, or us.  I get that. But we didn't have the internet; and we didn't have the voices of hundreds of people who have been betrayed to warn us.  I look back on my own life and the things that happened in the churches that I attended. I was totally ignorant and unwilling to listen to reason; and we didn't even have blogs back in those days to educate us on what was really happening.  But people today have no excuse.  The truth is out.

So we are going to tell you straight up what the ntcc is all about.  You can ignore us if that's what you choose to do; or you can dig for the facts before you jump to conclusions about us.  We are not out here trying to convince anyone to give up on God or stop going to church.  While many of you have rushed to judgment about us, by calling us God haters, and pointing your fingers at us as if we were the scum of the earth because some of us don't go to church and don't give large amounts of our money to some huckster, we are only trying to warn you of the danger we have already encountered.

Here's the deal.  The ntcc is a big time cult.  So if you want the truth, continue to read, otherwise you might as well stop reading this and continue on with your phony hypocritical life, thinking that you are right and the rest of the world is wrong.  Let's compare the ntcc to Jesus and the Disciples:

1.  Jesus loved people for who they were and there is no record of Jesus ever asking for a dime from any of His followers.  The ntcc will not accept you as a brother unless you pay 10% of your income to them.  This is the biggest red flag in the ntcc, but you ntcc'rs ignore it and pretend like it's biblical to pay tithe.  Nowhere in the bible does it say that New Testament Christians have to pay 10% of their income to a huckster.  Jesus said, "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men." Mat. 12:31  The ntcc says:  "All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men, but failure to pay tithe and give in offerings shall not be forgiven".  Try not paying your tithe to them and see how that works for you in the ntcc.

2.  Jesus loved the poor and ministered to them.  The ntcc despises the poor and tells you not to bring the homeless to church.  They say not to give your money to the poor, or any charities.  It says as much in their bylaws.  Tithe gets paid to the pastor and then double tithe gets sent to Graham. They are not Levitical priests; and the Old Testament practice of paying tithe to the Levites is no longer in effect!  None of that is biblical; but then again, many of you ntcc'rs don't really know the bible. Church members are told NOT to give money to the homeless or poor, which the ntcc calls bums.  When Judas took the money bag, the disciples thought that Jesus was instructing him to give to the poor (John 13:29).  Why would they think that if Jesus hadn't ever instructed them to give to the poor?  Many times Jesus spake of giving to the poor or giving to others, but never of paying tithe to some huckster so they could get rich! The ntcc con-men want your money so they can live like the rich and famous.  They don't care about the poor; and they never have.  Open your eyes.

3.  Jesus had mercy on people.  He came to heal and forgive and to love us and the rest of the world.  He forgave the woman at the well with five husbands who was "with" a man she was not married to; and Jesus forgave the woman taken in adultery, who the Pharisees wanted stoned, while the man was nowhere to be found; (it takes two to "tango"!).  Jesus told countless men and women, "Thy sins are forgiven."  But the ntcc will cast you out of their presence if you don't pay your tithe to them.  It's all about money. Open your eyes.  They will cast you out for missing church services. They will cast you out for many so-called offenses.

We rely on God's grace and mercy. We are full of flaws; and we CAN remember the last time we sinned, unlike Davis who stated that he couldn't remember the last time he sinned.  What a lie!  In the ntcc you are expected to pretend like you are perfect and that you are above sin.  They are hypocrites and they ignore reality. If we are perfect it is only in Christ, by His work on the cross and perfect blood. None of those hypocrites are without sin. In the ntcc people look down their noses on other religions and folks who don't believe as ntcc'rs believe. They think their doo doo doesn't stink like everyone else's.  But it does.  And I know, I'm so far from perfect it isn't funny.  But I'll admit that, unlike an ntcc religious huckster who claims to be perfect.

4.  Jesus discouraged adultery and divorce while the ntcc encourages both.  The ntcc has broken up so many marriages and families!  And there are people in the ntcc who have divorced, remarried, divorced again and remarried as many as 4 or 5 times, and that's just the ones we know about! They try to use abandonment as an excuse.  Not so. There are many divorced couples that stayed in the ntcc and both of the vow-breakers remarried within the ntcc to other ntcc partners. We aren't personally condemning divorced people. That's not our point.  The point is that ntcc claims to be a bible believing church while manipulating relationships and dividing families, which violates everything Jesus taught about divorce and adultery.

For me this is a huge problem; because I was denied marriage by this freak-show cult.  You single fellas reading this blog, get ready to be single for the rest of your life, unless you can kiss-up to the board members by getting an office job at the bible school or slave-labor job on their so-called building crew.  Otherwise, the prospect for you getting a lady to marry you are pretty slim.  Oh I know, they keep a few works open overseas so they can recruit new sisters from third world countries.  After all, coming from life in a third world country makes the borg poverty life style look pretty good by comparison. But most women from the States will see that the rules and financial situation in a borg marriage are quite unappealing compared to a life in a normal Christian church environment.  So, Brothers, unless you are willing to break the rules of the ntcc "on the wall" arranged marriages set up, you will be single forever. Truly, if you think it's hard to get preapproved for a loan, wait until you seek borg approval for a wife!  But that's not what God wants.  God said in [Prov 18:22 KJV]  "[Whoso] findeth a wife findeth a good [thing], and obtaineth favour of the LORD."  And Jesus said

[Mat 19:8-12 KJV] 8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. 10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with [his] wife, it is not good to marry. 11 But he said unto them, All [men] cannot receive this saying, save [they] to whom it is given. 12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from [their] mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive [it], let him receive [it].

You see, marriage was meant to be a blessing.  It is an institution created and blessed by God, a holy union between man and woman that is meant to last for life since the two become one.  When the thought of that seemed impossible to the disciples, who protested saying it wasn't good for a man to marry, Jesus set them straight.  He taught them that not everyone can live in celibacy without a wife.  He said some men are forced into it, being made eunuchs by others.  Some have that gift from God, that they are able to receive celibacy. But not all.  God never intended for you to be single forever just because some religious con man tells you it has to be that way.  That's not God's plan for you.  And if you do find a wife, watch out.  If at any time she sees what these hucksters are all about, the borg will send tanya kekel or verna davis or even joe olson to try and break up your happy little marriage that God said should last a lifetime!  It's been done so much in the ntcc, it's a crying shame.  Divorce on demand.  Remarrying without biblical grounds for divorce.  It all adds up to fornication and adultery on demand sponsored by your ntcc!  And let's not even say what effect this has on your children, whom kekel described as "filthy evil children who throw fits in the cookie aisle of the grocery store".

 Another ntcc couple is split up by man made doctrine
 (adding to the Word) and their kids are
 caught in the cult-induced tug of war! 

A brief pause before we go on...... Is any of this sinking in?  Are you going to continue to claim innocence after reading all of this.  It's time to wake up and smell the coffee. There is no common sense in following double standard hypocrites.  You might as well tear the bible up, get rid of all of Jesus' teachings, fold up the banner of Christianity, stop playing church and die and go to hell in style. That's what they will say to you if you don't fall in line with all of their man made doctrine.

5.  Jesus never told people how to dress, but he told them how not to dress.  He said: Luk 20:46 KJV "Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts"  Mat 23:5 KJV "But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments"  In other words the outward appearance was much more important than the inward.  The ntcc used to preach holiness or hell and they would condemn people to hell for not dressing a certain way. This was all done in pride, and to make ntcc members feel superior to everyone else. Jesus never did this. Read your bibles.  Wake up.  Open your eyes.

6.  Jesus never controlled people's relationships, like the ntcc does.  The ntcc destroyed my relationship with Ange and there are a whole slew of testimonies from former ntcc cult members who have experienced the same sort of thing.  Stop making excuses for your cult leaders.  They control and manipulate relationships. They match-make and interfere with the natural order of peoples' lives.  I love my wife and we missed out on the best years of our youth together because some manipulative jerks and jerkstresses made decisions for us that forever changed our lives.  Read the blogs and you will find that this happened over and over again.

7.  Jesus never required his disciples to keep a bunch of rules or to live by the letter of the law.  They picked corn on the Sabbath day, they ate with unwashed hands, they didn't fast and walk around with a sad countenance like the ntcc-type religious Pharisees.  The ntcc teaches you not to eat french fries with your fingers.  They strain at gnats and swallow camels, while pointing their fingers at those who just want to live their lives as Christians.

8.  Jesus wasn't a double standard hypocrite.  He didn't tell the disciples to live one way while he lived another way.  He didn't allow the Pharisees to get away with hypocrisy and he's not going to allow the ntcc cult leaders to get away with it either.  Do you think Jesus really approves of Kekel collecting tithe and getting rich while people are depriving their own families and children of the basic necessities of life?

9.  Jesus never told people they had to attend church in a building to be saved.  The ntcc teaches that if you miss one of their 5 church services per week or any of their mandatory functions, you couldn't possibly love God and you will miss the rapture. It's become a litmus test to ntcc'rs.  They question our faith because some of us don't attend a church every week and this is yet another unforgivable sin to them.  If you don't faithfully follow some religious huckster and give them a bunch of your money, you couldn't possibly be saved.  Where does it say that in the bible?  These days it's all about money and most of the preachers on the face of the earth are in the business of accumulating money, real estate and buildings.  They couldn't possibly further the gospel unless they have people willing to support their programs and buy their church edifices. Supporting these hucksters is not what the author of Hebrews had in mind when he said: "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching." Heb 10:25 KJV

Is the ntcc really what serving God is all about? The answer is no.  Jesus doesn't approve of hypocrisy.  The ntcc has gotten away with too many atrocities; and it's because of naive and gullible people or people who refuse to acknowledge the truth that the hucksters continue to thrive. ntcc has amassed an multi-million dollar real estate empire; and they have made themselves rich off of the suffering of others.  They criticize and mock you for wasting your money on frivolous and wasteful endeavors like paper towels or paper napkins, while they live like kings and laugh at you for your stupidity. You have to wake up.  They are treating you like a bunch of idiots because they know they can threaten you with hell; and you'll do anything they say.  This has gone on for decades; and the only reason it keeps going on is because you let it.

The sad thing about it is that 99% of you ntcc'rs will not stay in the ntcc for the rest of your lives. When you are no longer useful to them, you will be kicked to the curb. You think that you are one of the chosen few; but as long as you follow this cult you are enabling the ntcc to profit off of your ignorance.  You are not chosen because of your great faith, or your undying loyalty.  You are chosen because you are a sucker; and you will continue to give everything you have to them.  It's all about money and numbers.  Davis has said this over and over.  You are being used.  The joke is on you.  If you don't wake up now, you will waste years and perhaps decades of your life.  Just sit back and watch as guys you were in the Army with get married, raise a family, buy a house, retire with a military pension and start a civilian career.  Watch as they go off to war and come home as heroes, and see their kids get married and raise grandkids.  Just let everyone else and all of God's intended blessings for you pass you by as you shine the shoes of people who despise and use you.

But don't listen to us. We are just bitter exers.  According to your cult leaders our only purpose is to hate God and keep you out of heaven.  But who is getting rich off of you?  Not us. Wake up and smell the coffee. Open your eyes. Use your brain.  Nobody is trying to influence you to leave God. We just want you to find your way out of the cult and stop enabling your cult leaders.

A true church leader doesn't want 10% of your money and neither does Jesus. A true church leader doesn't run people off because they won't conform to a bunch of rules that aren't even in the bible.  The ntcc is not a bible believing church and we blog to expose them.  They can't defend their actions and they make no attempt to be transparent about any of the heresies they preach.

The Borg Leaders and their Wives Idolize this Religious Grifter

We can talk about this stuff until we are blue in the face; and we have. You can read the volumes of testimonies on all of the blogs. The fact is that the ntcc is being run by a bunch of hucksters.  Actually a better name for them is grifters.  That's what they really are.  A grifter is a con artist: someone who swindles people out of money through fraud. If there's one type of person you don't want to trust, it's a grifter: someone who cheats others out of money. Grifters are also known as chiselers, defrauders, gougers, scammers, swindlers, and flim-flam men. Selling a bridge and starting a Ponzi scheme are things a grifter might do. The difference between a grifter and a thief is a grifter tricks you out of money through lies, while the thief takes it by force. The end result is the same. link
The ntcc leaders are grifters of the worst sort and in the end if you choose to follow them, you are the one who will get burned.

Letters From the Past Part II

Recently, while going through our stuff, trying to get settled into our new house, I found a stack of letters, from many years ago.  After reading through many that were written by pastors and some by board members, I found this letter written by a dear brother and good friend.  After reading this letter I cried because of the internal torment he suffered and my unwillingness to help him.  I look back on my years in the ntcc and it is like a bad dream that you never wake up from.  While there was a lot of good, it was mixed with very bad and unhealthy teachings.  Good people were destroyed and many souls were cast into darkness after being taught that there is no hope outside of the ntcc.  We have made reference to the ntcc claiming to be "God's last hope on earth" and people like mike kekel have refuted this in word. However, in deed and through their preaching they have proven their arrogant stance on their own cult teachings and their practices of isolation.  The following letter was sent to me about twenty years ago:

Clicking on the letter pages will open them. You can enlarge the image using your computer's zoom controls.

(The Brother's name was taken out of this letter to respect his privacy; and I re-typed the letter because after scanning it in it was a little faded.  Also some smart phones do not support this type of image in a convenient fashion.  The letter is retyped word for word without his or his wife's name or address mentioned.)

Brother,
  Hello, how have you been.  I've really missed you over these past months, or has it been a year already?  Honestly it feels like several years to me.  I have finally made it up to Ft. Bragg to begin the "Q-course" for SF.  I report in next Sunday the 12th of March.  My wife and I found us our first house about 5 miles outside post off of Riley Rd.  It's a small 3 bedroom , with 2 bath's a garage, and fireplace.  We just have gotten settled in and everything put away.
  I'm looking forward to starting next week.  The first two months will consist of morse code.  I was assigned to train as a communications sergeant, 18E.  I purchased some audio tapes from Radio Shack on learning morse code.  It has got to be the most aggravating thing that I have ever attempted to do.  I'm at 5 wpm. yet it;s going to take 14 wpm to pass the course.
  The Suzuki Samuari is running as good as ever.  I haven't found the time or the facilities to paint my tiger stripes on it yet, but I will get around to it eventually.  That's a tuff little 4+4, I have had it down many a tank trails on Ft. Stewart.  It's only gotten stuck once, or should I say buried.
  We finally bought us a computer this past Christmas.  It's a Packard Bell, Legend 10CD if that might help for a description.  We purchased it as a package deal with a printer, speakers, and a start up kit that included a mouse etc.  It came with about 10, or 11 CD's including MS-DOS, Windows, Cd-ROM, and some other junk that IM yet to even begin to figure out, or understand.  Prodigy is really interesting I have been toying around with that every now and then.  If you have it maybe we could synchronize a date, time , and a room to utilize the "Chat" line.
  I went back to the church this past summer and tried to make things right with Rev. Dennis.  I think that I did, however I just couldn't get myself to stay there.  It was a combination of conviction, and embarrassment.  I'm writing to you for your advice.  I've tried other churches that you suggested (Church of God), yet I just couldn't get myself to come back.  It just seemed too hypocritical to stay in other churches knowing the truth.  I've missed the church.  I feel like something inside of me has been ripped out.  There's not a day that doesn't go by that I don't think about all the brethren in Korea, the Church, and most importantly God.
  I never knew how hard life is without God in your life.  This past year has shown me how little a foundation I have without the Church.  I have uncovered a truth about myself through all of this.  That its that I cannot exist as a Christian, and expect to live a holy life without New Testament Church in me.  I don't even know if I can even pool myself with those known as the many that will come, and certainly not the few that will enter.  I'm leading myself, and my wife down a dark alley with many pitfalls.
  I feel as if I am dangling by a string.  I want to go to the Church here in Fayetteville, yet IM honestly scared that I will lose everything through another slap in the face.  Yourslf and Rev. Ballard are probably the only two who have seen the whole picture.  Rev. Dennis remarked to me that the previous conference following me leaving the church that my name was brought up amongst all the preachers.  What he said wasn't exactly complimentary as to the nature of the conversation about me.  I'm scared that I have been branded with a reputation as a trouble maker.  What do I do, what do I do?  I've got to seek God, and if it wasn't in God's will for me to go back to the Church then why am I so convicted, daily about returning.  Brother I can't get the church off my mind, it's almost a deafening echo of conviction.  Please tell me what I should do, I just don't know who else to turn to.  I have prayed, and prayed, but the answer isn't coming through except to get back in Church.  I just don't know how.  Should I call the pastor here?  Should I call Rev. Dennis?  Should I ask Rev. Ballard?  Should I just show up and introduce myself?  I just don't know mainly because I don't have any confidence in myself to make the decision.  But I can't sit here any longer and wait for fait to make the first move.  Please, tell me what you think that I should do, and if you don't know just let me hear from you.  Then maybe it will come to me.
Take care of yourself, and may God bless you.  End of letter

I wonder how many weeks or months this tortured soul went to the mailbox hoping to hear from me some words of comfort and consolation.  I wonder how hurt he must have felt by never receiving an answer from me.  I vaguely remember my own conviction of not writing back, gnawing at me for weeks and months after receiving this letter.  I was too caught up in my own "life for God" and the teachings of this cult to help the brother.  "They went out from us [...] because all are not of us"??  I_John 2v19  Or maybe they were blasted from behind the pulpit because they asked a question about tithe?? Or they said the wrong thing to the pastor and others might misconstrue it to be disrespectful??  This brother was no longer welcome and had deep convictions but was in effect dis-fellowshipped.  

"That its that I cannot exist as a Christian, and expect to live a holy life without New Testament Church in me."  This is a cult false-teaching that the ntcc denies teaching; but this letter is proof that they make people feel like the ntcc is God itself.  Jesus said, "If I be lifted up".  Not the church. Not the Pastor. Not davis or denis. This group has exalted their status to that of God himself and has excluded the ones that God loves and cherishes  the most from being a part of their exclusive group.  I'm so glad that I'm no longer a part of this hypocrisy!

This is coming from a person of Character that not only went on to finish the Special Forces Q course and serve his country among the elite group of Special Forces soldiers in the US Army; but recently I've found that he later went through OCS and was selected by congress to be appointed as a Major in the U.S. Army!  My point is that this person is not some weak-minded chump that didn't have the intestinal fortitude to make it through the Army but was in some way run off from the ntcc church pastored by denis (the RWD clone) when he was an Army Ranger assigned to Hunter Army Airfield.

I'm not sure that I remember what this brother's offense was as it was so many years ago; but he was not run off for fornication or drunkenness or adultery or witchcraft or idolatry or murder or rape or any sin that could be found in the bible.  I don't remember the exact reason; but it had to do with a disagreement he had with an ntcc teaching or something he said or did that was misconstrued as an act of disloyalty to 'the man' and the borg.  This brother told me the specifics; and I remember this much; but I don't remember the exact reason that he was cast out.   

In the ntcc there is no disagreeing with the leadership!  They spend years indoctrinating you into their cult.  During this process they make you feel like there is no hope in God outside of their fellowship.  Then they isolate you from family and friends and make you completely reliant upon their teachings for every thing you do in life until disagreeing with them is a sin.  This brother could not reconcile his past with denis and was afraid to go to any other ntcc church; because he knew that denis would spew his hatred of him to others; and that it would be contagious.  

Here we have a dear brother crying out for help, thinking that because he was not welcome in an ntcc church, that he would never find peace in God.  What did I do for him?  What could I do?  I was under the same fog, and thought that I was aiding and abetting a sinner if I helped him.  When reading this letter I could not believe how cold and calculated this group is.  I fit the mold so perfectly.  I could have written back to this brother and at least consoled him.  That brother's last words to me were, "Please, tell me what you think that I should do, and if you don't know just let me hear from you."  I will have to live with this for the rest of my life.  I allowed the wicked cult called the ntcc to destroy a soul; while I was too afraid to even write back and give that brother the least amount of comfort.

If you wonder why we are so passionately against the ntcc and its leaders, read this letter over and over until you get it.  This is not Christ.  Jesus is not in the ntcc; and I don't think He ever was.  This kind of thing went on and on for years and years.  This was taught in bible school and every preacher in the entire organization was an extension of r w davis and every member of every church was an extension of that pastor.  We multiplied the atrocities and sat back and let them happen under the guise of being faithful and loyal to a man.  Don't tell me that this group is a Christian bible believing group!  

I pray to God that people escape and find real happiness outside of this cult.  We lived in fear and watched as people were cut off from all they knew to be right and decent; because they questioned the cult leader or disagreed with their false teachings.  This same man, rodger w. davis is still running people off for less than sin.  There is sin in the camp at the ntcc!  And it is just as bad or worse than any sin that you can imagine!  I'm no longer going to sit back and watch them destroy peoples' lives.  I will speak out against them because I know that they are against God and the people of God!  

People leave this group in fear and they live in fear for the rest of their lives.  'Leaders' in ntcc are the ones that should live in fear!  They should live in fear of their sins being eXposed!  Don't believe them for a minute when they accuse you of betrayal and apostasy.  Are we negative because we tell the truth about this group?  Paul asked the same thing of the Galatians:  So then am I become your enemy, by telling you the truth?  Gal 4v16  I challenge you to read this entire thread and point to one false statement that we have made about the ntcc.  You can't; because everything we have shared is true.  So if we are unchristian for speaking the truth than what does that make the ntcc? 

I hope this brother has found peace with God and finds it in his heart to forgive me for being too weak to help him.  I hope also that our readers will see this letter and realize that we are not the same weak minded people that let things go without a fight.  We are fighting now and will continue to fight against the harmful and destructive practices of the ntcc.

  

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B)  ntcc Sounds Like A Cult.

C)  I Read This Post.

D)  God gives us salvation; no man can take it away!

E)  Pleasing God should be our first concern, not pleasing man.

F)  I'm afraid to get caught commenting on this blog.

G)  Glad To Be Out of ntcc

H)  Many are run-off from ntcc for things that are not even sins!

I)    I'm Thinking Of Leaving ntcc

J)   I'm afraid to leave ntcc.

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The Celibacy Policy or "Forbidding To Marry"

Part 2:  The Celibacy Policy or "Forbidding To Marry"

Part 1:  My Life And Times With ntcc:  or "Why I Left The ntcc"

Part 3:  Homosexual 'Pastors' In The ntcc; Names Included

Part 4:  Nichelle Tieman's Adultery and Lying:  NOT_Overseer Material

During our years as members of the cult called ntcc, there were many doctrines preached and rules enforced that we went along with out of fear and misunderstanding. Now years later we find that many of the teachings of the ntcc rules are not backed by scripture; but we and many others followed and obeyed these teachings out of fear and misguided zeal for what we thought was "the only true doctrine in the land".

The leaders, pastors, and board members would subtly introduce these rules [now claimed to be 'policies']  at times while preaching salvation; and other times they would boldly preach these rules as scripture, with reckless abandon, not concerned with whom they hurt, or whom they ran off. There is a sickness in the ntcc and among its leadership that compels them to preach Christ crucified and get people genuinely saved and hungering for God; only so that they can indoctrinate them with control policies; and shape them into what best suits ntcc purposes. The #1 goal of r w davis is to convert servants of Christ into servants of RWD. The biggest mistake that we as Christians made in the ntcc is thinking that because we were saved while attending the ntcc, that the ntcc had to be right in their doctrine and 'policies'. "If God saved me here, how could they possibly be wrong?" What makes this so perverse is that it's all done because of money.

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Tim 2:15

The #1 goal of r w davis is to convert servants of Christ into servants of RWD.

We are going to compare ntcc's rules, [now called 'policies' and enforced with dire consequences visited on those who don't obey the rules] with the scripture and "rightly divide the word of truth". We also are going to ask for the millionth time if these rules were right all along why are they now being changed and renamed as 'policies'? Is God still the same? Did the Holy Ghost lie to r w davis when he preached these things to us?

The celibacy policy is where the ntcc forbids marriage.

It is the ntcc's doctrine of matchmaking and forcing members to live in celibacy.

We are not advocating fornication or adultery or child molestation like the ntcc does!

Forced Celibacy or Forbidding to Marry by Forbidding Dating Thru Match-Making Rules:
The first policy rule that we are going to look at is the celibacy policy rule where the ntcc forbids marriage. Let's see if we can find some scriptures that support the ntcc's doctrine of matchmaking and forcing members to live in celibacy.

First of all, we are not advocating fornication or adultery or child molestation as is advocated by the ntcc. michael c kekel has never come out and denied his child molestation of tanya davis when she was a young teen [minor/jailbait] and he was in his early twenties [adult/pedophile].  Therefore we believe the witness of Vic Johanson in previous posts on Jeff's blog and this blog. Vic has no reason to lie and MCK has every reason in the world to cover it up.

Here's what the scripture says; now lets honestly try to rightly divide the word of truth as we read:

Now lets honestly try to RIGHTLY divide the word of truth as we read what the scripture says; and, please, no 'private interpretations' or 'secret revelations'...

"Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband." 1 Cor 7:2
"For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that."
"I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I."
"But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn." 1 Cor 7:7-9
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;"
"Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;"
"Forbidding to marry, [and commanding] to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth." 1 Tim 4:1-3

We can find no supporting scripture that justifies what the ntcc has done to many of its members... forbidding single men from talking to single women ... forbidding them to date and thus forbidding them to marry.  That contradicts God's word!

These are just a few scriptures that we have taken five minutes to look up. Rightly dividing these words of truth, we can find no supporting scripture that justifies what the ntcc has done to many of its members. We welcome anyone from the ntcc that can find a scripture without twisting it, that supports their practice of forbidding single men from talking to single women, or forbidding them to date, thereby forbidding them to marry. Please:  no 'private interpretations' or 'secret revelations'.


Let The Dead Bury Their Dead:

While my mother was terminally ill, various ntcc leaders put pressure on me to stay in their works so they would have one faithful tithe payer bringing in more income to their works... They used God as an excuse when they told me that "They had prayed; and God wanted me to help them."

They had no consideration for me or my mother; but instead ntcc's stance was, "Let the dead bury their dead."

In 1989, I was stationed in Camp Humphreys, Korea, and helped Rev. L. C. Barnes start a church. In one short year we had about 30 members; and as Rev. Barnes was getting ready to PCS, ntcc sent Tom and Rachel Wright over to run this servicemen's home. We had about 4 people (including myself) that moved into the home and a handful of tithe payers attending church regularly. I had invited many of the members out to church and was very involved and invested in the work.

In October, I went on leave to attend a conference in the States. While on leave, I visited my parents and found out that my mother had cancer. She asked me if I could stay home with her and help. At first I said no; because I felt that God wanted me in Korea; but only because I was so brainwashed at the time, that I believed the constantly repeated ntcc mantra "let the dead bury their dead" doctrine.

Althouth that is part of the scripture, the ntcc twisted or wrested that scripture.  It was often used by the ntcc to separate people from their families and loved ones just to keep the tithes coming into ntcc coffers.

Mystical Manipulation:  "We Prayed About It.  God Wants You Here."

While at home in Denver, I was attending ntcc services in Colorado Springs and commuting 140 miles round trip just about every day.

1. The Tiemans were in Colorado Springs; and they told me that they had prayed; and God wanted me to help them.
2. I would talk to the Wrights on the phone; and they felt that God wanted me there; and that the home in Korea depended on me. 

Is God double-minded?  No.  Clearly both the Tiemans and the Wrights were using mystical manipulation on me, claiming they had the 'mind of God'.  Rubbish.  They were just using me.

Finally, David Tieman (Sr.) called r. w. davis and told him that the Wrights were pressuring me to go back to Korea; and the Tiemans wanted me to put in for a compassionate reassignment in Colorado. RWD told Tieman to have me "Pray about it." and do what God wanted me to do.  That was davis' way of washing his hands of everyone's attempt to mystically manipulate me into staying with them and paying their bills while blaming God, saying, "We prayed about it; God wants you here."

I eventually made the decision to stay in Colorado Springs; and the Army attached me to Fitzsimons Army Medical Center in Denver, pending compassionate reassignment.  Although this was the easy thing to do at the time, it was a sacrifice; because I really wanted to return to Korea and help the work I had started with Rev. Barnes; but after much pressure from all around, I decided to stay in Colorado.

Sexual Temptation Worsened by the Celibacy Rule Forbidding To Marry:

During this time, Nichelle Tieman began to make sexual advances toward me while David Tieman (Sr.) was locked up in his room, "studying God's word". If ntcc did not have their twisted rule forbidding to marry, I would probably have already been married and living in my own home with my own wife.  But ntcc's celibacy rule had already struck major blows against my attempts to seek a normal marital relationship.

Prior to this, I had been denied by two (2) previous pastor's the "privilege of talking to" two other sisters; simply because they were earmarked for bible school! I was 25 years old and the whole celibacy policy rule was not working for me. I did not have the gift of celibacy that the Apostle Paul was speaking of in I Corinthians, chapter 7.

ntcc's celibacy rule is a direct violation of God's word found here:

1 Cr 7:2  Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

If ntcc did not contradict God's Word and have this twisted doctrine, I would have had my own wife and place to stay; I never would have been around for such temptations.  Instead, I was forced to live in celibacy, in a servicemen's home, where the apparently unfulfilled or insatiable 'pastor's wife' would make constant advances towards me.

Nichelle Tieman would rub up against me inappropriately with her breasts and rear end when nobody was around. I almost committed adultery with her but was convicted after inappropriately touching her one evening. After that night, I started rejecting her sexual advances. One morning she came down to my room in the home and knocked on my door. She said that her husband was at work; and she "wanted to lay with me". I rejected that advance and many others.  I also remember her telling me that she loved another brother; he was a worker named Rev. Rice.  She said she would marry him if anything ever happened to her husband David Tieman (Sr.).

Shortly after this, I had invited Ange to church. We were young, the same age, single, Christians and really attracted to each other. She "got right in" and started paying tithe and giving home offerings, even though she didn't live in the home. By ntcc standards that meant she was "really saved" or a Christian. I really believed God was blessing me and her, and that we'd be married and spend the rest of our happy lives together.  But that didn't happen, thanks to the ntcc's celibacy rule and nichelle tieman's lying.

Meanwhile, in Colorado, I commuted back and forth from Denver, where my mother was dying, to Colorado Springs, where the servicemen's home was located.  I did this for about 6 months, many times without missing any ntcc services, soul winning, prayer meetings, or events.   My Mom, who was already saved, had attended church service at ntcc one night, when james ross  ashmore was preaching.  She said that she had never in her life met anyone as cold as he was.   She came to church a few times; and my younger brother also came out to some services.

My mother died in 1990. When I got the call about my Mom, I was in the Tieman's living room. I told the Tieman's that my mom had went home to be with the Lord.

Nichelle Tieman said, "Your mother wasn't saved; if she was, she would have attended our services regularly and adhered to our holiness standards."

Nichelle might as well have hit me in the head with a club! I was shocked and furious inside!

I remembered back to when I was 8 years old; I used to roll joints for my mom. I remembered when she used to drink and bring home strange men. I also remembered when my Mom started going to an Assembly of God Church and got saved and stopped drinking and drugs and had Christ in her life. She was certainly saved by the grace of God and had the fruits of the Holy Spirit in her life!

Around this time, I called Pop Gaylord and told him what Nichelle was doing and confessed my role in it. He relayed the info to r. w. davis; within a week rdub came through to assess the situation. He decided to remove the Tieman's from the work in Colorado Springs and sent them to Portland, Oregon.

While he was there, Nichelle told davis that Ange felt like she was 'called' to go to Bible School; which was an outright lie. At this time Ange and I were talking about marriage. From this point on Ange felt pressured to go to bs and eventually went.

This 'little lie' that Nichelle told would ruin two marriages for Ange. One that should have happened; and one that never should have happened. This would also trigger 7 more years of celibacy in my life and an eventual decision to leave not only the ntcc, but also God.

I often asked myself what I had done to deserve this treatment. After making one of the biggest decisions of my life to stay, help, and support this cult called the New Testament Christian Church in Colorado Springs, they caused this miscarriage of justice! I was giving more than 10% tithe, offerings, home offerings, building fund pledges, world missions pledges, attending all services and functions, rejecting sexual advances by Nichelle Tieman, bringing dozens of people to church every month, commuting thousands of miles to help my terminally ill mother; and I loved God and the Tiemans in spite of what they had done and what was going on. But this was my 'reward'?   I wish I could say that this was an isolated instance; but it is not.

The ntcc often referred to itself as "the last hope for a lost and dying world". But instead of bringing hope, they were crushing it. Instead of saving the lost, they were driving Christians away from God.

These blogs are full of stories of cruel injustices committed by the ntcc, of lives that have been devastated, of families that have been torn apart, and of people that ntcc has used up, rejected, and sent back out into 'the world' to start their lives over with nothing.  All their finances have gone to the ntcc.  All their family ties have been broken from those who don't attend ntcc.  They have no careers or pensions or insurance or future.  They have to start life over, from scratch, with no support system.  Even their life-long ntcc friends and family will forsake them, treating them as if leaving ntcc equals leaving God.  The borg treats them as reprobates.  It's sad and so needless.

We write these things not because of hatred or revenge, but to warn people, and to let others know that they are not alone in their suffering, and, if possible, to trigger repentance.

These are not lies, but rather facts; that can be verified by two or more witnesses; and, above all, God knows all about it. The same ones that call us reprobates are the ones that have abused their salvation - if they ever had it - and will have to answer for it. We will continue to be a voice of truth that tells you the true story - a different story than that which the ntcc has to share.

We implore everyone that is involved with this cult to take a closer look and escape with what's left of your life. If you are thinking about attending, do your homework first.

• Study cults and their tactics.
• Learn about mind control.
• See how cult leaders use it to control every aspect of your life.
• Study the bible.
• See if you can find examples of Jesus or his followers destroying peoples' lives with unbiblical policies such as the celibacy policy of forbidding to marry.
• Use the ntcc's own standards to decide if they are a 'bible believing church' that follows Jesus' examples of love and temperance. 

But if you find they act like a cult, well... "If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and waddles like a duck, it's probably a duck!"  SO....

If it looks like a cult, talks like a cult, and changes rules like a cult, it's probably a cult!

Related Posts:

Don's Story [Click Link To See All His Posts In A Mobile View]

Part 2:  The Celibacy Policy:  or "Forbidding To Marry"

Part 1:  My Life and Times In The ntcc:  "Why I Left The ntcc"

Part 3:  Homosexual 'Pastors' In The ntcc: Names Included

Part 4:  Nichelle Tieman's Adultery and Lying:  NOT_Overseer Material


Coming Up: The ntcc Adultery or Divorce on Demand Policy:


Crossing The Line:  Part 1 of Adultery On Demand

Spouse Swapping:   Part 2 of Divorce On Demand 

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A) Sounds Like A True Description Of The ntcc.

B) ntcc Sounds Like A Cult.

C) I Read This Post.

D) ntcc encourages sexual impropriety by forbidding marriages, tempting people to sin since they are not "allowed" by ntcc leaders to get married or even date or talk to other single people.

E) ntcc often requires members to do things that have no biblical basis, like forbidding single people from talking to each other.

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"F" I'm afraid to be caught commenting on this blog.

G) Glad To Be Out of ntcc.

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"H" ntcc manipulates who marries whom by controlling who is "allowed" to talk with whom. As a result, ntcc controls who does and does not get married.

I) I'm Thinking Of Leaving ntcc

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"J" ntcc has ruined my chances of marrying and dating someone I liked just because ntcc has weird man-made rules.

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Should We Be Afraid?

 Super Piety 
 In the ntcc holiness is a badge of honor. 
 "LOOK WHAT MAKES US DIFFERENT FROM THOSE WICKED SINNERS".

One primary focus of the ntcc is to instill fear into the hearts of its members.  It's been shared by the ntcc that Jesus preached more about hell than he did about heaven.  There are, after all, only two choices in life that matter:  Heaven or Hell.  As X-ers we all share a certain amount of fear because of the fact that we once were members of a cult that used fear to keep us in our places for as long as possible.  Fear kept me in my place for thirteen years while I was in the ntcc and also fear controlled my life for fourteen years after leaving the ntcc.  A few months ago I was released from all that fear when God revealed to me that His plan of salvation has nothing to do with attending a cult or being super spiritual by living in accordance with the rules of the so called "Man of God" the most of which can not be explained reasonably by the bible.

In the ntcc we were very legalistic.  This is a word that I once thought was used only by God haters and reprobates but have since seen the true meaning behind the word.  The Wikipedia definition below accurately describes legalism that is practiced by cults and becomes destructive to all that subscribe to it.

Legalism, in Christian theology, is a sometimes-pejorative term referring to an over-emphasis on discipline of conduct, or legal ideas, usually implying an allegation of misguided rigour, pride, superficiality, the neglect of mercy, and ignorance of the grace of God or emphasizing the letter of law over the spirit.  Legalism is alleged against any view that obedience to law, not faith in God's grace, is the pre-eminent principle of redemption. Its opposite is antinomianism, which is the alleged view that believing in Jesus Christ is the only requirement for receiving eternal life.


While in the ntcc all of the sins and standards were emphasized much more than the Grace of God.  People were kept in their places by the warnings of hell rather than being allowed to grow in God's grace and to serve God out of love.  While Jesus did speak about hell it was mostly to the pharisees and hypocrites.  To sinner's, his followers and his disciples, Jesus spake less about specific sins or hell and condemnation then he did to the hypocrites.  Why are there very few if any references to Jesus preaching "holiness or hell" to his followers?  I would have to say that holiness is not a prerequisite to being saved.  In the ntcc holiness is a badge of honor.  "LOOK WHAT MAKES US DIFFERENT FROM THOSE WICKED SINNERS".  In all of the apostles' teachings and admonishments we never hear hell used as an alternative for those who don't follow their man-made policies.  There are lots of teachings concerning holiness but never is there a threat that comes along with those teachings that you will go to hell for all eternity if you do not live by these teachings.  In the ntcc we have "super apostles that know much more than the bible teaches and have added policies and new sins to the bible:


If you date someone you love without the approval of the super spiritual orator of the church you are living in sin.  While in the past we have seen fondling and child molestation take place in the highest places in the ntcc, is this really God?


Facial hair on a man is wrong for what reason or reasons?  I must be very rebellious because I purposely grow facial hair.


You are not capable of deciding who your own friends should be and who you can have over to your house because that is a decision that only a super apostle can make for you.  If you are so flaky that you need someone to decide this for you, than you might just belong to a cult.


If you love God, you will do things for the pastor of your church, like clean his house, shine his shoes, wash his car, mow his lawn, etc.  I submit to you that if your pastor loves you, he will be a servant of all and do those things for you.  


Each church will extract as much money as possible out of its members' wallets and pocket books because large amounts of money are required to support the lavish lifestyles of the super god-like apostles in Graham that live in an entirely different world than all of their loyal subjects.


When there is no biblical justification for the rules or consequences that are preached in the ntcc they resort to the "end all, know all" scripture that is constantly being referred to over and over in the ntcc:  


Hebrews 13:17 "Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your soul, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you."  I've seen this used to their advantage more than for the good of the church member.  What a great chapter to read and to take in context.  I will never advocate that you should disobey your pastor if he is leading you in the truth; but if the dude is making up his own rules and threatening you with hell as a consequence of disobeying him, you might just be in a cult and would be served well by getting yourself and your friends and anyone who will listen to you out of there quickly.  


Should we be afraid of these people and the doctrine they tried to ram down our throats?  I would say absolutely not.  We believe that they should be scared.  There are many X-members of the ntcc that are so afraid to speak out against them; and I can understand that.  But I will say this to those souls that are afraid.  Do you think that they care for you?  If you came back to them, do you think it would be a prodigal son moment?  I know when I came back to God it was, but I would not even want to think about what it would have been like if I would have attempted to return to an ntcc church.  Let's look at them for what they are.  If they are right, than we need to take quite a few scriptures out of the bible and throw them away.   If they are wrong, then we need to realize that and stop being afraid of them.  


I am not advocating that informing current members of the ntcc that they are in a cult is going to help them.  It wouldn't have helped me.  But I do think that standing up for what we believe in and not being afraid to disagree with the false teachings of the ntcc is a step in the right direction.  If we live in fear of the ntcc, it will not help anyone but them.  They want us to live in fear.  They don't want us to post things that bring attention to their corruption and would love nothing more than for us to go away.  We will bring attention to their evil ways over and over and over again because they have built their kingdom upon the souls that they have discarded and they prosper because of the thousands that are no longer with them.  Have they sought us out one by one to get us back? No. Neither will they.  They don't want us back because we have been used up.  They want new blood that has many more years of life that can be shaped and formed into what best serves them.  


We are X-ers and we feel it is our moral responsibility to bring to light what the ntcc wants to keep in darkness.  We will continue to shine the light into the abyss of the ntcc and maybe others will see the light and escape.  From thirteen years of experience written by an ex cult member we continue to warn and admonish current and ex cult members to escape for your lives while you still can.  There is life outside of the ntcc; and we are are determined to live it.

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A)  Sounds True

B)  Sounds Cultish

C)  I Read It

D)  ntcc puts too much emphasis on outward appearance

E)   God saves by grace

F)  Create Your Own By Leaving A Comment:  Example:  "F"  ntcc rules contradict God's Word 

G)  Glad To Be Out of ntcc

H)  Create Your Own

I)    I'm Thinking Of Leaving ntcc

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