Tour NTCC 1 New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. Graham, WA: Part 1 "Mom and Pop's Grave Site"

Working Vacation with Diana Taylor's Help

 Diana Taylor at the
 Cemetery To Pay Respect
 to Mom and Pop Gaylord 

Recently we took a trip to Washington state to see old friends, and visit some ntcc haunts.  It was a business trip in a sense; but it also was a small vacation for us; and we had a great visit with the X-er's that live in this area.  Diana Taylor was our gracious hostess with the mostes. ;o)  And she drove us all over and updated us on what's been going on in Washington.  We cannot thank her enough for her hospitality and showing us a great time while we were visiting!!

Mom and Pop Gaylords' Grave Site

 Headstone for Eileen
 "Mom" Gaylord 

During this trip we got some good videos and pictures of the ntcc cult compound to share with the viewers of this blog.  We started our tour at Mom and Pop Gaylords' grave site.  I know many folks have mixed feelings about Mom and Pop; but many have fond memories of them; and we most definitely do.  In spite of the fact that the ntcc would probably not exist without them, they were very different than the rest of the ntcc overseers and board members in that they did things the way they felt they should be done, in many cases without the approval of r. w. davis.  They would openly disagree with RWD's way of doing things; and they were not afraid of him or verna mae davis either.  For us it was an honor to visit their grave site; and we will always cherish the memories that we have of what seemed to be the best of the ntcc leadership.  We think when they passed away, the small remnant of good in the organization faded with their memories.

Un-Fellowship:  X-ers Reunited

 Don and Ange 

We spent some time with the Reeds, Bro. Armer and many others we love and are becoming fast friends with.  And we all had quality fellowship which we have been starving for.  We think one of the most wicked rules of the ntcc is their blatant shunning of anyone who no longer attends their church.  Through this rule long time friends are often separated for no reason other than the isolationist rule of the independent founder of ntcc, r. w. davis.  If you attend ntcc and think those people are your friends, think again.  If you choose to go to church elsewhere, those people in ntcc will drop you like a bad habit just because davis says so.  Sad.

r. w. davis  Manipulates Matt Reed

Mom and Pop Gaylord

As we were showing pictures of Mom and Pop's graves to Brother Reed, he told us about an occasion in which he had wanted to visit Mom and Pop's grave.  Old Manipulative, Double-Standard Davis told him that he wanted to go with Matt Reed to visit the grave; and R-dub emphasized for Bro. Reed not to go without him.  He promised that they would go visit together soon.  I think two or three years went by and R-DUBlecross had yet to keep his word to the Brother.  Without any invite or knowledge of what happened RWD took Gandy to Mom and Pop's grave site and then later told MDR that he missed out because he Wasn't Around.  Davis is a very manipulative dude.  Why would somebody treat a brother this way?

These are details that I remembered from Mathew Reed's account of this story.  If I'm off a little or if there is more to add, I will leave that to the Brother, but that's how I remember it.  This pretty much sum's up what davis is all about.  He is a control mongering manipulator.

Memories of Mom and Pop

Headstone for "Pop"
William Keenan Gaylord,
 MSGT USAF 

I will always choose to Remember Mom and Pop Gaylord in a good light as many others also remember them.  I corresponded with them through letters; and they always wrote me back.  I sent one letter to davis about Ange in which I apologized for breaking bible school rules and writing a letter to her; but he never responded.  Mom and Pop always seemed to have time for everyone.  They once told me that Davis should have nothing to say about who I write to or talk to.  I have it in writing and it is on this blog in the letters from the past post [read more >>].

 Ange and Diana 

We will be publishing a series of videos and pictures of our visit.  Please be patient as it is a very large undertaking because of the amount of media we want to share.  Ange has been working on this for weeks now and we hope to release it a little bit at a time as she is able organize it into this blog coordinating pictures, video, and stories of ntcc eXperiences.


Mom and Pop Gaylords' Grave Site and Intro to Our NTCCA Visit Vid

Google Satellite Image of the Orting Cemetery and Grave Site:
Hint:  Use the "+" and "-" symbols to zoom in and out of the map.
The NTCC Cult Compound lies between 210th St. E. & 224th St. E.

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Diana.  Not sure if that is a "Thumbs Up"
 Or a "Hit The Road Jack" ;o) LOL! 

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Letters From the Past Part II

Recently, while going through our stuff, trying to get settled into our new house, I found a stack of letters, from many years ago.  After reading through many that were written by pastors and some by board members, I found this letter written by a dear brother and good friend.  After reading this letter I cried because of the internal torment he suffered and my unwillingness to help him.  I look back on my years in the ntcc and it is like a bad dream that you never wake up from.  While there was a lot of good, it was mixed with very bad and unhealthy teachings.  Good people were destroyed and many souls were cast into darkness after being taught that there is no hope outside of the ntcc.  We have made reference to the ntcc claiming to be "God's last hope on earth" and people like mike kekel have refuted this in word. However, in deed and through their preaching they have proven their arrogant stance on their own cult teachings and their practices of isolation.  The following letter was sent to me about twenty years ago:

Clicking on the letter pages will open them. You can enlarge the image using your computer's zoom controls.

(The Brother's name was taken out of this letter to respect his privacy; and I re-typed the letter because after scanning it in it was a little faded.  Also some smart phones do not support this type of image in a convenient fashion.  The letter is retyped word for word without his or his wife's name or address mentioned.)

Brother,
  Hello, how have you been.  I've really missed you over these past months, or has it been a year already?  Honestly it feels like several years to me.  I have finally made it up to Ft. Bragg to begin the "Q-course" for SF.  I report in next Sunday the 12th of March.  My wife and I found us our first house about 5 miles outside post off of Riley Rd.  It's a small 3 bedroom , with 2 bath's a garage, and fireplace.  We just have gotten settled in and everything put away.
  I'm looking forward to starting next week.  The first two months will consist of morse code.  I was assigned to train as a communications sergeant, 18E.  I purchased some audio tapes from Radio Shack on learning morse code.  It has got to be the most aggravating thing that I have ever attempted to do.  I'm at 5 wpm. yet it;s going to take 14 wpm to pass the course.
  The Suzuki Samuari is running as good as ever.  I haven't found the time or the facilities to paint my tiger stripes on it yet, but I will get around to it eventually.  That's a tuff little 4+4, I have had it down many a tank trails on Ft. Stewart.  It's only gotten stuck once, or should I say buried.
  We finally bought us a computer this past Christmas.  It's a Packard Bell, Legend 10CD if that might help for a description.  We purchased it as a package deal with a printer, speakers, and a start up kit that included a mouse etc.  It came with about 10, or 11 CD's including MS-DOS, Windows, Cd-ROM, and some other junk that IM yet to even begin to figure out, or understand.  Prodigy is really interesting I have been toying around with that every now and then.  If you have it maybe we could synchronize a date, time , and a room to utilize the "Chat" line.
  I went back to the church this past summer and tried to make things right with Rev. Dennis.  I think that I did, however I just couldn't get myself to stay there.  It was a combination of conviction, and embarrassment.  I'm writing to you for your advice.  I've tried other churches that you suggested (Church of God), yet I just couldn't get myself to come back.  It just seemed too hypocritical to stay in other churches knowing the truth.  I've missed the church.  I feel like something inside of me has been ripped out.  There's not a day that doesn't go by that I don't think about all the brethren in Korea, the Church, and most importantly God.
  I never knew how hard life is without God in your life.  This past year has shown me how little a foundation I have without the Church.  I have uncovered a truth about myself through all of this.  That its that I cannot exist as a Christian, and expect to live a holy life without New Testament Church in me.  I don't even know if I can even pool myself with those known as the many that will come, and certainly not the few that will enter.  I'm leading myself, and my wife down a dark alley with many pitfalls.
  I feel as if I am dangling by a string.  I want to go to the Church here in Fayetteville, yet IM honestly scared that I will lose everything through another slap in the face.  Yourslf and Rev. Ballard are probably the only two who have seen the whole picture.  Rev. Dennis remarked to me that the previous conference following me leaving the church that my name was brought up amongst all the preachers.  What he said wasn't exactly complimentary as to the nature of the conversation about me.  I'm scared that I have been branded with a reputation as a trouble maker.  What do I do, what do I do?  I've got to seek God, and if it wasn't in God's will for me to go back to the Church then why am I so convicted, daily about returning.  Brother I can't get the church off my mind, it's almost a deafening echo of conviction.  Please tell me what I should do, I just don't know who else to turn to.  I have prayed, and prayed, but the answer isn't coming through except to get back in Church.  I just don't know how.  Should I call the pastor here?  Should I call Rev. Dennis?  Should I ask Rev. Ballard?  Should I just show up and introduce myself?  I just don't know mainly because I don't have any confidence in myself to make the decision.  But I can't sit here any longer and wait for fait to make the first move.  Please, tell me what you think that I should do, and if you don't know just let me hear from you.  Then maybe it will come to me.
Take care of yourself, and may God bless you.  End of letter

I wonder how many weeks or months this tortured soul went to the mailbox hoping to hear from me some words of comfort and consolation.  I wonder how hurt he must have felt by never receiving an answer from me.  I vaguely remember my own conviction of not writing back, gnawing at me for weeks and months after receiving this letter.  I was too caught up in my own "life for God" and the teachings of this cult to help the brother.  "They went out from us [...] because all are not of us"??  I_John 2v19  Or maybe they were blasted from behind the pulpit because they asked a question about tithe?? Or they said the wrong thing to the pastor and others might misconstrue it to be disrespectful??  This brother was no longer welcome and had deep convictions but was in effect dis-fellowshipped.  

"That its that I cannot exist as a Christian, and expect to live a holy life without New Testament Church in me."  This is a cult false-teaching that the ntcc denies teaching; but this letter is proof that they make people feel like the ntcc is God itself.  Jesus said, "If I be lifted up".  Not the church. Not the Pastor. Not davis or denis. This group has exalted their status to that of God himself and has excluded the ones that God loves and cherishes  the most from being a part of their exclusive group.  I'm so glad that I'm no longer a part of this hypocrisy!

This is coming from a person of Character that not only went on to finish the Special Forces Q course and serve his country among the elite group of Special Forces soldiers in the US Army; but recently I've found that he later went through OCS and was selected by congress to be appointed as a Major in the U.S. Army!  My point is that this person is not some weak-minded chump that didn't have the intestinal fortitude to make it through the Army but was in some way run off from the ntcc church pastored by denis (the RWD clone) when he was an Army Ranger assigned to Hunter Army Airfield.

I'm not sure that I remember what this brother's offense was as it was so many years ago; but he was not run off for fornication or drunkenness or adultery or witchcraft or idolatry or murder or rape or any sin that could be found in the bible.  I don't remember the exact reason; but it had to do with a disagreement he had with an ntcc teaching or something he said or did that was misconstrued as an act of disloyalty to 'the man' and the borg.  This brother told me the specifics; and I remember this much; but I don't remember the exact reason that he was cast out.   

In the ntcc there is no disagreeing with the leadership!  They spend years indoctrinating you into their cult.  During this process they make you feel like there is no hope in God outside of their fellowship.  Then they isolate you from family and friends and make you completely reliant upon their teachings for every thing you do in life until disagreeing with them is a sin.  This brother could not reconcile his past with denis and was afraid to go to any other ntcc church; because he knew that denis would spew his hatred of him to others; and that it would be contagious.  

Here we have a dear brother crying out for help, thinking that because he was not welcome in an ntcc church, that he would never find peace in God.  What did I do for him?  What could I do?  I was under the same fog, and thought that I was aiding and abetting a sinner if I helped him.  When reading this letter I could not believe how cold and calculated this group is.  I fit the mold so perfectly.  I could have written back to this brother and at least consoled him.  That brother's last words to me were, "Please, tell me what you think that I should do, and if you don't know just let me hear from you."  I will have to live with this for the rest of my life.  I allowed the wicked cult called the ntcc to destroy a soul; while I was too afraid to even write back and give that brother the least amount of comfort.

If you wonder why we are so passionately against the ntcc and its leaders, read this letter over and over until you get it.  This is not Christ.  Jesus is not in the ntcc; and I don't think He ever was.  This kind of thing went on and on for years and years.  This was taught in bible school and every preacher in the entire organization was an extension of r w davis and every member of every church was an extension of that pastor.  We multiplied the atrocities and sat back and let them happen under the guise of being faithful and loyal to a man.  Don't tell me that this group is a Christian bible believing group!  

I pray to God that people escape and find real happiness outside of this cult.  We lived in fear and watched as people were cut off from all they knew to be right and decent; because they questioned the cult leader or disagreed with their false teachings.  This same man, rodger w. davis is still running people off for less than sin.  There is sin in the camp at the ntcc!  And it is just as bad or worse than any sin that you can imagine!  I'm no longer going to sit back and watch them destroy peoples' lives.  I will speak out against them because I know that they are against God and the people of God!  

People leave this group in fear and they live in fear for the rest of their lives.  'Leaders' in ntcc are the ones that should live in fear!  They should live in fear of their sins being eXposed!  Don't believe them for a minute when they accuse you of betrayal and apostasy.  Are we negative because we tell the truth about this group?  Paul asked the same thing of the Galatians:  So then am I become your enemy, by telling you the truth?  Gal 4v16  I challenge you to read this entire thread and point to one false statement that we have made about the ntcc.  You can't; because everything we have shared is true.  So if we are unchristian for speaking the truth than what does that make the ntcc? 

I hope this brother has found peace with God and finds it in his heart to forgive me for being too weak to help him.  I hope also that our readers will see this letter and realize that we are not the same weak minded people that let things go without a fight.  We are fighting now and will continue to fight against the harmful and destructive practices of the ntcc.

  

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Letters From the Past

While assigned to the 3rd MI Battalion in Camp Humphries Korea, I received this Letter from Mom and Pop Gaylord dated March 1, 1989.

Dear Brother,

Greetings in the Wonderful name of Jesus! He is truly wonderful.

Thank you for your letter. We were glad to hear from you and was glad for the time we were with you in Korea. We really enjoyed ourselves.

Marie is here for Bible School and it was good to see her again. She talked to Pop and I about your plans. Marie and Pop talked to brother Davis about going back over there and getting married, and working with Bro. Barnes in a Servicemen's Home. Bro. Davis didn't approve of her going back over there for that reason, because Bro. Barnes will be leaving in about six months, and he wouldn't want him to start a Servicemen's Home, as he doesn't have anyone to replace him. We are really short of trained people.

Bro. Davis told Marie she could go to Bible School if she wanted to but we don't know if she is enrolled yet or not. We haven't seen her since Sun. night as there haven't been any services. We'll see her tomorrow night.

As far as you and her getting married, Bro. Davis, Bro. Barnes nor Pop have nothing to say about you and Marie marrying; that is between you and her and the Lord.

Pop put in a good recommendation for you to go to Bible School but it is wholly up to Bro. Davis who enrolls.

You pray, and before it is time for you to reenlist or get out, contact Bro. Davis and let him know your desires. God knows.

Write us whenever you want. God Bless you.

Love + prayers

Mom and Pop Gaylord
P.O. Box 629
Graham, Wa 98338

Mom and Pop Gaylord's letter to Don, Page 1

Mom and Pop Gaylord's letter to Don, Page 2

Mom and Pop Gaylord's letter to Don, Page 3

I came across this and many other gems while going through all my stuff. After reading this letter, it really verified that I had been in a cult for many years. If a normal person, (one that hadn't been brainwashed by the ntcc) had read this letter, there would be all kinds of red flags going up. Cult Alert, Cult Alert!!!!! This may seem like normal everyday life to a cult member, but it is anything but normal if you are the one on the receiving end of the ntcc's manipulation. This is just one out of 3 times that I was done wrong by the ntcc, and it's cult leadership in regards to relationships. If you ever wonder why I emphasize the "Celibacy Policy" this and other instances of relationship manipulation may clue you into the reason why. I am going to break this letter down to make it plain and simple for others to see why we expose the ntcc daily for being a cult; and you can decide for yourself who is right.

This letter is in response to a letter that I wrote to Mom and Pop after meeting Marie in Korea and discussing marriage with her. We wanted to marry in Korea; but she, like others, was "Called" to go to the New Testament Christian Seminary in Graham, WA. Since she could not disobey her "calling" she decided to go to bible school and return to Korea as soon as possible so we could get married. She thought she could get a some time in training and return as a worker to Korea and help build a Servicemen's Home and Church in Korea. We are not going to mention Marie's last name because it is not my intention to invade her privacy. She did nothing wrong in this debacle. To place this in its proper perspective we have to mention that Marie had spoken to her pastor first in Korea; and he discouraged us getting married; because of the ntcc's strict celibacy policy.

"Marie is here for Bible School and it was good to see her again. She talked to Pop and I about your plans. Marie and Pop talked to brother Davis about going back over there and getting married, and working with Bro. Barnes in a Servicemen's Home." - Here we have a woman in the ntcc that wants to get married and Mom and Pop in the middle trying to help me. Pop actually talked with rwd and Marie to try to work something out but; rwd was not interested in our desires at the time.

Bro. Davis didn't approve of her going back over there for that reason - I wonder if davis, the man that "never missed the Holy Ghost", prayed about this decision; or if he just thought that he was so cozy with God that he didn't need to pray about this? It's okay to manipulate people if you are a cult leader. There is no forethought that goes into the decision making process when other people's lives are involved.

"Bro. Davis didn't approve of her going back over there for that reason, because Bro. Barnes will be leaving in about six months, and he wouldn't want him to start a Servicemen's Home, as he doesn't have anyone to replace him. We are really short of trained people." - That's a convenient excuse considering that Barnes DID start a Servicemen's Home there with my help. And we had four brothers living in the home when, a few short months later, the Wrights were on their way over to take over this work. I was under the impression that rwd "never missed God"; but I guess here we have an example of one of those rare occasions where rwd missed God! Unless you consider him to be a cult leader... then you would have to concede that none of this mess had anything to do with God!

As far as you and her getting married, Bro. Davis, Bro. Barnes nor Pop have nothing to say about you and Marie marryinig; that is between you and her and the Lord. - Standard cult jargon or a disclaimer to release the ntcc from any responsibility of destroying a relationship. If you think that this statement is true, than I have some swamp land on Pikes Peak I'd like to sell you. Davis had a lot to say about it. Do you think that if Marie had disregarded his advice and came back to Korea to marry me that everything would have been hunky dory between Marie and rwd? She was to be farmed out to a preacher.
Meanwhile, I was back in Korea working my tail off trying to get a servicemen's home started. We had a servicemen's home started before the Wrights even got over there. I helped build it (by filling it with tithe and home offering payers) and we had four people living in it before it was taken over.

Pop put in a good recommendation for you to go to Bible School but it is wholly up to Bro. Davis who enrolls.

You pray, and before it is time for you to reenlist or get out, contact Bro. Davis and let him know your desires. God knows. - Much has been said about my reasons for not going to bible school but in the end, I am glad that I never went. If Mom and Pop couldn't influence rwd to allow me to go to bs than it just wasn't meant to happen. I've had losers from the ntcc come on my face book page and tell me that I didn't go because I wanted to stay in the Army. Well guess what? When I came up for re-enlistment, rodger wilson davis was in Colorado Springs destroying another relationship that I was involved in. At the time I was in love with one lady, Angela; and I asked rwd if I could attend bible school and was shot down, and told how much God could use me in the military. I was an E-6 with 7 years in service. She however was encouraged to leave our relationship and go to bs to become an unaccredited preacher's wife. You be the judge. Is there a difference in being encouraged and being told or manipulated? Is there a difference in disobeying an admonishment from the Cult Leader or disobeying a direct order from the so called "man of God"?

Is there any doubt that the ntcc is a cult? Does all this seem like normal behavior for a normal church and it's normal leaders? Does any of this seem Christlike? The bible says, "Forbid not to marry". Once again davis's actions put him on the wrong side of the word of God.

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E) The Bible says to "Forbid not to marry."... So it was wrong for ntcc to manipulate relationships to stop people from marrying just because one person goes to the ntcc bible school and the other person does not.
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