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A safe place for Xers to share their stories and heal.

A place to learn what it's really like in the ntcc founded by Rodger Wilson Davis;
and run by his son-in-law, Michael Craig Kekel,
the father of the one vasectomy-rule-exception kid in ntcc, Grant Davison Kekel.

He Loves A House More Than God: Bonco Mansions of kekel (l) and davis (r)

He Loves A House More Than God:  Bonco Mansions of kekel (l) and davis (r)
"He loves a house more than God:" *Bonco* Mansions of kekel (l) and davis (r). Meanwhile, on the mission field: ntcc Missionaries to the Philippines "Rev. and Sis. Mackert ... found a place, 9 feet by 14 feet [9'x14'] and one bathroom. It is on the 6th floor and there is no elevator. The last place they had stayed, they had to share a common bathroom with the other tenants! Yikes! This place has their very own private bathroom, although the Rev. shared there is no seat on the throne, and no way to attach one…." from The Devonshire Files Sunday, May 28, 2006 Visit from the Mackerts (5/06). ** Should you know where the money ($$$$$) goes? **

Jesus In The Temple

Matt 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, Matt 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Gal. 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Skip To Blue Letter Bible Search Tool

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Friday, May 22, 2015

Who has the Best Chance of Making it to Heaven, a Police Officer, a Used Car Salesman, or an NTCC Preacher?

There was a recent comment left on our blog about how Mike Marshall used to preach that you couldn't be a police officer and a Christian at the same time.  I hadn't heard that one before but I mentioned to the person who left that comment, I had heard that you couldn't be a used car salesman and make it to heaven.  This led me to the question, "Can you be an ntcc preacher and make it to heaven?"

Courageous Movie Trailer  Can a Police Officer Be Saved  On YouTube

Of the three, I find the Police officer has a job that is less likely to interfere with Christianity than a used car salesman or a ntcc preacher.  You can do your job as a police officer and not violate your Christianity.  I know there are people that will say, "What if you have to go into a bar or a liquor store?"  Going into a bar or liquor store doesn't make you any more a sinner than going into a barn makes you a horse.  There are plenty of dirty cops, but there are many who are honorable and put their lives on the line for our protection.  Everyone wants to talk bad about the cops until they need one.  Same thing with the military or any other profession.  Romans 13 talks about Rulers being ministers of God.  They are not a terror to good works but to evil; therefore we should do that which is good.  Police are there to enforce laws.  Unfortunately in the process of enforcing laws police and soldiers have their hands tied by the media.  Soldiers are not allowed to carry out their orders efficiently because the rules of engagement have been tilted in the direction of the media; who now decides when or what is ethical, rather than the soldiers on the field whose lives are at the greatest risk.  The cops now have to decide how to react in a racially charged situation.  They have to make split second decisions that could be relative to them surviving to see a situation through.  It's probably not easy but if a cop wanted to be a Christian and a cop at the same time, I'm sure it could be done and has been done.

Flywheel:  Can a Used Car Salesman be a Christian? On YouTube

What about a used car Salesman?  Is it possible to be a Christian and a used car salesman?  Can a used car salesman actually go to heaven?  There is a movie called Flywheel. (Don't worry, you won't go to hell for watching this movie. By the way, the entire production budget for this movie, $20,000 was less than half of what one of Davis' Cadillacs cost us tithepayers.)  Flywheel is about a Used Car Salesman who is basically over charging for the used cars that he is selling; and he is lying to people about what is wrong with the cars and how much they are worth.  He even sells a car to the pastor of his church and takes him to the cleaners so to speak.  God deals with this guy; and he eventually gets saved.  He could be like Ashmore after getting saved and say, "Okay, my past is history, under the blood; and there are no consequences for anything I did in the past; and I owe nobody an apology; nor is there a need to make anything right with anyone."  But that's not what this man chose to do. He began to sell cars at smaller commissions and required all of his salesman to be honest; and he went door to door to all the buyers of the cars that he had sold and made things right with each person.  He wrote checks to the people for the money he shouldn't have made off of them and in some cases signed the titles over to the owners before they fully paid the cars off.  He apologized to each person he had conned and made things right with each one.  He almost lost his car dealership for doing this; but word got out that this was the best place to buy a car in town; and people came and bought every single car on his lot, giving him just enough money to get caught up and start doing things right.  I know there are many scumbag car salesmen.  I think that at one point in his life that Davis was a used car salesman, but I've heard him say that you can't be a used car salesman and a Christian. Maybe he said that because he couldn't do it, just like he would tell others that they could not be alone with members of the opposite sex; a rule that he didn't keep and suffered many times the consequences of his actions.  Most normal people can be around members of the opposite sex alone. If you are a Christian there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to be around someone of the opposite sex. Davis was a pervert; so for him it was difficult to not obey his lustful desires.  This is one example of what we call "double standards" that Davis used to preach and expect others to live by.  Guess what folks?  If you are not a pervert, or driven by lust to the point of not being able to control yourself around members of the opposite sex, it is not a sin, just a rule made by someone who had no self control.  You can be a Salesman of cars or just about anything that is not obviously harmful to others or God, and be a Christian at the same time.

Jimmy Swaggart's Life Closely Parallels The Life Of R.W.Davis  On YouTube

I don't know if it's possible to be a Christian and an ntcc minister at the same time.  I can see being a policeman or a used car salesman; but how can you do the things that are required of an ntcc minister and still be saved?  I know that there are many people out there that will dispute this; but lets take a serious look at what the bible says and what is required of ntcc preachers.  Now keep in mind that the ntcc claims to be a bible believing church.   So lets break this down.  As an ntcc minister you are required to say, "All Christians pay tithe and give in offerings" prior to each collection taken up.  Can you really say that and be a Christian?  Is it biblical?  What verse in the entire bible supports that to be a Christian you must pay tithe and give in offerings?  Does this mean that if you don't pay tithe or give in offerings that you are not a Christian?  Scripture, anyone?  Anyone?  If you do not say that eight word phrase you are disobeying those who have the rule over you; and I've actually heard that preachers have been jacked up for not saying that 8 word phrase before every single stinking collection.  The ntcc requires it's members to pay tithe.  If you don't pay tithe you are not allowed to live in the "Christian" Servicemen's Home.  If you don't pay tithe, you are singled out and preached at by ntcc ministers.  Davis taught not to bring homeless people to church because they had nothing to give or contribute.  Is that a Christian thing to do?  Scriptures, anyone, Anyone, Anyone?  Davis taught against having cats and dogs.  Scriptures anyone, Anyone?  Kekel has people clean his mansion for free.  Is it biblical for a New Testament preacher to get filthy rich off of people who barely have enough money to pay their bills and then have them clean your mansion for free? Anyone, Anyone?  Is there a scripture for that, Anyone?  Is it okay to charge interest to an ntcc minister who is paying for a building that you paid for in cash and many of the tithe paying members of that church have had their money filtered into your bank account?  Anyone?  Scripture?  Is it lawful or Christlike to keep charging ministers, for buildings that have been bought and paid for several times over?  Is it lawful or Christlike for the members of those churches to be required to pay tithes, offerings, building funds and church escrow funds and then be told to take up another offering to repair the roof?  Those GI's don't grow on trees and neither does their money.  The ntcc leadership is taking advantage of you as a minister; and they are preaching something that is called "False Doctrine", repeat after me, F-A-L-S-E  D-O-C-T-R-I-N-E.  They are making money off of your congregations; and you are letting them take advantage of your church members.  Can you be a Christian and an ntcc minister at the same time?  Can you preach false doctrine and be a Christian at the same time?  Are double standards okay?  Is it okay for you to require your church members to live by strict rules while the ntcc leadership flat out disobeys those rules?

Ferris Bueller's Day Off - Anyone? Anyone?  On YouTube

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's impossible to be an ntcc preacher and a Christian at the same time.  I'm not going to be as dogmatic as the ntcc can be when they place people in hell with no hope. I do think it requires a delicate balancing act and that a true and sincere minister would have to see through some of the ntcc rules and illusions that they have created and rightly divide the word of truth.    I know there are sincere preachers in the ntcc; and there are sincere members that attend ntcc churches.  I know they love God; and they do the best they can within the confines of their surroundings and the rules that govern them.  The ntcc makes things much more difficult by enforcing their own set of rules that are not biblical.  People in the early church gave to one another so that nobody lacked; and when people saw these acts of love and selflessness thousands were added to the church.  Peter and John were not taking up collections so they could have bigger houses and pure bred donkeys and camels to ride on.  Jesus walked from town to town and slept wherever there was someone kind enough to lodge him.

Let's try to imagine Davis living back in the days of Christ. The only people that Davis would be inviting to church would be the Roman soldiers because they had a steady income and could pay tithes and offerings.  He never could subjected himself to the same surroundings that Jesus did at birth because Jesus was born in a manger with animals and Davis wouldn't even go to your house if he knew you had a cat.  He would have walked out on Jesus when He was preaching the sermon on the mount, because he disagrees with the beatitudes.  Blessed are the poor, really?  Since when did Davis care about the poor?  Blessed are the meek, really?  Were Davis or Kekel meek?  Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after righteousness, really?  The only thing that the ntcc leadership hungers and thirsts after is money and numbers.  Davis couldn't make it from town to town because Cadillacs and Recreational Vehicles were not invented yet.  He wouldn't have made it in the days of Moses either because he would never have been able to get past the mixed marriage that Moses was a part of. Davis couldn't have led the children of Israel out of Egypt because there is no way Davis would live in a tent for 40 years.  He wasn't even satisfied with the mansions he had and had to keep upgrading to larger mansions.  Davis would have been stoned for committing adultery; so he couldn't live under the Law. The Prophets probably wouldn't want him either because his prophesies and dreams never came true. I don't think he would have made it out of the lions den alive nor out of the burning fiery furnace, because those men were able to actually divine the truth.  Davis' dream must have been a pizza dream; because he never was persecuted at the St. Louis Ram's stadium, nor was anyone because it was torn down.  Olson's dream of Davis going first in the rapture, followed by the board members and then the church schlubs was also a false vision because Davis never went in the Rapture.  Does anyone see a pattern here?  Anyone, Anyone?

Monday, May 11, 2015

How Long Will You Continue To Sit At The Children's Table?

Another NTCC Wannabe is Stuck Sitting at the kid's table of MyNTCC where folks seek approval from men rather than focusing on God's approval.  New Testament Christian Churches of America treats folks like kids.
Another NTCC Wannabe is Stuck Sitting At the Kids' Table

Children in the ntcc are often not included in the adult fellowship; and if they are included, they are to be quiet and 'well behaved' or they'll get their little butts set on fire.  Most Christians are pretty much treated the same way by the ntcc leadership.  The ntcc leadership has an inner circle of people who are loyal that they trust to not betray them.  These people have been tested and tried by Davis and Kekel over the years and selected as the ntcc top leaders, not because they are Godly men or they do things representative of Christ, but because they are faithful and loyal to Davis and Kekel and because they know when to open and shut their mouths.  If a Christian in the ntcc asks the wrong question or says something that embarrasses their pastor, they will get their butts set on fire also by the ntcc leadership.  This is how the ntcc rolls.  Davis was able to use Ashmore to supply a constant stream of income to him and the ntcc without having to worry about him being a threat to him.  Davis knew everybody's secrets to include the ones that Brother Ken has shared on this blog.  Ashmore was a threat to Kekel and couldn't be trusted in Kekel's inner circle so when Davis died, Ashmore soon departed.

To sit at king kekel's table in the ntcc, you have to be invited and you have to be trusted.  You don't have to be saved or sanctified, you don't have to be chosen or called by God and you don't have to live a Christian life.  You just have to know how to play the game and how to conduct yourself around the ones who really matter in the ntcc.  If you are not the type that want's to be invited into the dragon's lair, or if you are the type that likes to seek God's approval and not man's approval, you won't fit in.  The ntcc and its top leader are one in the same.  Davis was the ntcc.  If you believe in the ntcc then you had to believe in Davis.  You are either all in or you would not be included in that inner circle of one way trust and absolute loyalty and servitude to Davis.  Kekel is now the absolute ruler in the ntcc.  The bylaws define him as the final authority on everything that needs approval in the ntcc. The problem with this is that he is not as polished as Davis was when it came to motivating people to follow him without question.  A lot of people don't even like Kekel and can't stand to be around him.

There are a whole lot of ministers and church members that are following the wrong king.  They could be sitting at The King's table with Jesus at the head of the table; but instead they are willing to always be considered children by the ntcc leadership; and they will be treated that way for the rest of their lives.  Instead of being heirs of God and Joint heirs with Christ and seated together with Him in heavenly places in Christ Jesus, they will always sit at the children's table asking their pastor-master, "Can I go to the bathroom, Pastor?"  or  "Can I fellowship with so and so?" or "Can I fix the leaking roof with money in the escrow that we have been collecting for years from the brethren that we have told that the purpose of the escrow was for unforeseen repairs and expansion?"  "Can I have permission to speak, Pastor Kekel?"  "I was thinking that perhaps I could visit my Mom and Dad on the way to conference.  Do you think it would be okay if we cancelled Sunday night church service so I could stop by for two hours and say hi to my parents, before I continue to drive 16 hours through the night to make it to conference?"  "Please, please, please, pastor-master?"

Even Children Know the Kids' table is for Kids only.
Don't let some ntcc bully push you into subservience.
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, - Col 2:18 KJV here

Some of you are definitely sitting at the Children's table in the ntcc and will always be sitting at that table.  The only way you will ever be able to change your seating arrangements is to change the company you keep.  Do you think that your friends are real or phony?  I hate to tell you this but all of your friends in the ntcc are loyal to the ntcc and its leadership, not to you.  Try leaving the ntcc and see how many loyal friends care about you enough to stay in contact with you.  When you sit at the Children's table you give all your rights away.  You can't interrupt the adults sitting at king kekel's table or you will be scorned for speaking out of place.  You can't do anything wrong either or someone will notice and correct you right away.  If your little group of Church members doesn't meet the criteria that ntcc has set for you, you will become a public example and you will be embarrassed in front of your church members.

You have to experience freedom outside of the cult, before you can learn that you were meant for so much more than to be a slave to a bunch of People who only care about you when you pay them tithe. If they don't benefit financially from you, they don't want you around; and you definitely are not going to be welcome at their table.  Their treasure is where their heart is at.  I've got good news for you ntcc'rs that are tired of sitting at the children's table.  There is a table set and prepared for you and you are always welcome.  You don't have to pledge your loyalty to a bunch of double standard hypocrites that will stab you in the back in front of your friends.  You don't have to join yourself to a group of people whose leaders dictate to you when and where you will spend every dime of "Gawd's" money. You don't have to have some growling and groaning manipulative creep overseeing and micromanaging your finances so they can take their wife out to the Space Needle for a $200 fine dining experience while you treat your family to a $6.99 Rotisserie chicken and wonder how you are going to feed them until your next check comes in.  You are sitting at the wrong table if you  are living like this.

A recent comment left by Anonymous:

"I remember the first time I gave a dollar to a bum, I felt liberated because like you said we had been taught not to waste our money and blah blah blah But I felt like George on Seinfeld when he started doing the opposite of what he would do and his life started changing for the better.
I know this will sound weird to some because they might not know what I'm referring to about Seinfeld.  A little thing like giving a dollar to that beggar was life changing for me.  I remember the man was so thankful and it touched my heart because he said God bless you and I knew that he was sincere And meant what he said."

I believe the person who left this comment has found the key to a successful transition from being a cult member to being a decent Christian human being.  It's actually a way to simplify things in your life and if people would follow this example they might find that Christianity is not as difficult as the ntcc made it out to be.  Just do the opposite.  I don't mean do the opposite of everything they taught but be the opposite of what they were and what they stood for.  Instead of being a double standard hypocrite, try being an honest person.  Instead of paying your tithe to some grumbling and murmuring preacher who pesters you every payday, and then sends a large portion of it to the rich people who are sitting at king kekel's table, try calling up the volunteer workers at a homeless shelter and ask what those people have need of and buy some of the things they have need of.  You will find that kind of giving much more satisfying and fulfilling than giving ten percent of your income to an organization that has lied to you since its conception about tithe.  Wake up and read the scriptures for yourself.  Don't believe us, or the ntcc.  Get your nose in the book and find out what God says about tithe.  Stop wasting your money and your life.  You deserve better and so do the people you love and care for.  Your family deserves better and so do you.  

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And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus: - Eph 2:6 KJV 

And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him [be] glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. - Rev 1:6 KJV

Wednesday, May 6, 2015

D'Mario speaks out against an abusive NTCC Co-pastor and Kekel and frees his Family from a Manipulative Religious Cult Experience in MyNTCC

About a week ago we received a comment from a person named D'Mario who shared the testimony of him and his family with us as follows:

D'Mario said... 

My wife and I started reading your blog about a year ago. We struggled a lot with stuff that we read trying to decide if you were just bitter people that didn't get what you wanted in N.T.C.C. or had great reason to believe they were not of God. 

About 18 months ago we were sent out to be helpers in a work. The pastor there was quite harsh to me and my wife. Calling us out in services when we were not doing what he wanted us to do. Getting mad when my youngest on a Saturday night service would fall asleep after such a long day. To give you an idea my youngest was nursery age at the time. The pastor's wife would belittle my wife making fun of her in front of our children while I was at work. This really upset my oldest because I had taught him how to honor his mother. It got so bad I finally called Rev. Kekel not knowing what else to do. He told me to stop wining and like a baby and I need to grow up and get with the program. I was so hurt no one cared. 

About 7 months ago one of my children began to run a high fever and was really sick. I called the pastor where I am at and said I am not sure my wife will be able to come tomorrow to Saturday soul-winning. He got angry and said that if she doesn't come there would not be enough women to pair up evenly. When I insisted my child needed my wife, he then threat to report me to Rev. Kekel. My wife stressed out because Rev. Kekel had already told us we could never miss anything about church and soul-winning even for our children. She told me if she didn't go it she would be disobeying the man of God and God would punish us. She was feared God's punish on our family. So she, all the kids, and I went soul-winning. Right before that night's service my child got really bad. We decided to take her into the ER. I called the pastor. He told me I was to drop off my wife and child and I and the other children were to come to church. He had no concern at all. I told him no I am going to be with my family they need me. My daughter was in the hospital for two days. That pastor nor Rev. Kekel seemed to care. I got yelled at for missing all services that weekend. My wife and I took turns being in the room while the other took care of the other children. I only worked a half a day Tuesday so I could bring my child home. We tried to make it work for another couple of weeks but it only got worse so one weekend we just didn't attend anything. In fact that weekend we went to the zoo for the first time as a family. My children had never seen a bear up close so it was thrilling to see them so excited.

One thing I was surprised with us leaving was my oldest told me I am so glad we don't have to go back. I hated that place. 

I am glad you put out so much information on your blog it helps my family to feels good about our decision. It also lets me know when my gut told not to trust certain people to care for my children while in bible school I wasn't being overly caution. They probably won't trust worthy. It must be hard to share ugly information but without I don't think I would have believed God was okay with us leaving. 

To all those that think we don't love God. We still have family talks about God and the bible. We even sing songs about God. The only difference now is my family is first.

 D'Mario's Children were thrilled to see the bear while His oldest said, 
 "I'm so glad we don't have to go back, (to the ntcc), I hated that place." 

This is disturbing on so many levels; and yet it is also encouraging that D'Mario's family got out in tact and continues their faith without the ntcc meddling in their personal lives or threatening the well being of their children. This letter represents the culture in the ntcc and demonstrates what happens to families, how children are treated, how the leadership, (Kekel), responds to bad situations, how harshly so many ntcc pastors treat fellow ministers and co-workers and their families, how poorly so many ntcc pastors' wives treat ministers and workers and their families, how cold hearted and cruel ntcc pastors can be, how unconcerned an abusive jerk that calls himself a pastor is towards a suffering family and especially a sick child.

But the best lesson of all that can be learned from this story is how a man and his family used this abusive behavior by their fellow worker, a so-called pastor, to find their way to freedom. In fact, my favorite part of this whole comment was how they stopped attending ntcc cult meetings and went on a family trip to the zoo. I guarantee they got more out of that as a family than they ever would have received from that abusive jerk that masquerades as a pastor. People like that guy are tyrants that love to hear themselves and they take pleasure in jacking people up and making others as miserable as they are inside. They might pretend to be saved; but their actions speak much louder than words; and you are much better off removing yourself from the company of such hypocrites than you are subjecting yourselves to their abuse.

 Victim's of Spiritual Abuse often compare their trauma
 to rape.  The damage is real and can turn people away
 from God.  Do yourself a favor and free your family
 from an abusive environment that calls itself a church
 and find a real group of Christians who love in deed. 

D'Mario never said who the abusive jerk so-called pastor and fellow minister was that treated D'Mario's family like they were his slaves who were to be in subjection to him.  But shortly after D'Mario's comment published we got a bunch of comments streaming in about how abusive Keith Gandy was/is. We also received an anonymous comment that the author requested we did not post, and one of the things shared was that Gandy had run off several families and that he treated children terribly. If you are a minister in any organization and you are sent to help another minister and anyone in your family gets sick, don't ask that nutcase anything. Take care of your family. Call and tell that Cretin that you are going to take care of your family; and if he doesn't have enough women to match up then tell him to get up off his lazy butt and match up with his own wife and go soul winning. When a child has a high temperature that is not something you want to mess with. Your number one concern should be with your family as it was with D'Mario. There have been others that have neglected their child's health and listened to idiots like Davis who told them not to go to the emergency room; and we have heard that some have suffered permanent damage. I believe Julie and Lisa both were not taken to hospitals when they should have been; and because of that they are dealing with much more severe problems later in life than they should. I think Lisa shared that if she would have received treatment for some of her medical issues when she was a child that she would not be going through life threatening medical emergencies that she now has to go through.

It's our opinion that MyNTCC hides abusers as long as they send money and or people to the seminary, New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. in Graham, WA.
 Does MyNTCC org Hide Abusers as long as those Abusers
 send money and/or people to the NTCS seminary? 

Take care of your children. It's amazing to me that people will listen to morons like Gandy who have never raised children, and allow them to give them advice on how to raise their kids. Gandy shouldn't even be around children in my opinion because he doesn't care about them. Gandy is just one shining example of how abusive a person could be. Stay away from these ntcc lifers, they are dangerous to the health and welfare of your children. 

The ntcc is one of the worst places on planet earth to raise children. Just ask an ntcc parent who raised their children in the ntcc. Ask Cyrius how beating his infant for hours worked for him. Where is Grant Kekel right now? He's a sinner according to dead Davis. Many of the children raised in the ntcc departed as soon as they were old enough to think for themselves and smell freedom. That's why the board members always married off their children as soon as they were of legal age. They wanted to enslave their daughters to older men for the rest of their lives before they could think for themselves. They were groomed as young teens 13 and sometimes younger to fantasize about which 20 something year old preacher would you like to marry.  And many were married off as soon as they turned 16 years old.  The ntcc is a very sick and unhealthy place to raise your children.

Do your families a favor and escape before they become victims of this sick organization. Do you want your children to be raised like monkeys in a carnival or circus? Get them out of the ntcc as soon as possible before they become the next generation of victims.  And even if you don't have children, and maybe you aren't even married, don't become a victim of ntcc abuse.  If you are a licensed minister, working in an ntcc church, that local church's pastor has no spiritual authority over you.  He is not supposed to 'lord it over you' or boss you around.  He should be a friend.  If he can't handle that, he should not have you as a helper. "Period."  Listen to what the Word of God says,

But Jesus called them [unto him], and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. - Mat 20:25 KJV
But it shall not be so among you: ... - Mat 20:26 KJV

Jesus calls us His Friends.  If He can humble Himself to call us friends, your fellow-ministers should too.  They should not be so puffed-up in pride that they don't even want you to call them  by their first name.  Can you imagine Jesus, The LORD and Maker of All rebuking someone for calling Him by His first name?  LOL!  Jesus, we believe, is loving and fun to be around, not on some pride trip.  People who demand respect never give it back.   Respect has to be mutual. You are both ministers. And we are all supposed to be children of God.  Don't let somebody treat you like their whipping boy.  If they try that, just leave them alone.  Let them be.  It isn't the Spirit of Christ directing them to treat you poorly. If they are calling you insulting names, or trying to blame you by saying you need to change, just leave.  You are better off with the Word of God and a cup of Joe.

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