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Thursday, June 9, 2011

Nichelle Tieman's Adultery and Lying Revisited: NOT_Overseer Material

In a previous post titled "The Celibacy Policy" or {Forbidding to Marry, Part Two of Don's Story}, Don shared how Nichelle Tieman repeatedly tried to seduce him to have sex with her, rubbing her breasts and rear end up against him, and coming to Don's room when David Tieman, Sr. was at work, trying to convince Don to "lay with" her.  We also shared how Don reported that years of forced celibacy in the ntcc, brought on by ntcc pastors interfering and  telling women not to talk to Don and telling Don not to talk to women, helped Don give in to this temptation.  Though Nichelle and Don did not have intercourse, there was inappropriate touching going on.  


As Don shared in another thread titled "Homosexual 'Pastors' in the ntcc: Names Included"  {Part Three of Don's Story}, he had already been sexually abused by three homosexual ntcc pastors.  This abuse of authority, coupled with long years of forced celibacy made Nichelle Tieman's forward advances seem appealing at first.  In Don's words:  "At first I welcomed these advances because they made me feel like a man is supposed to feel and that is masculine."  Of course the Holy Ghost continued to convict him; and Don repented of this sin.  After praying for forgiveness, Don called Pop Gaylord and told him of his involvement with Nichelle Tieman, who had also told Don that she loved another brother, Rev. Rice, and if anything happened to her husband, David Tieman Sr., Rice was the one she would marry.  Pop Gaylord called davis and r w got on a plane to visit Colorado Springs.  


From the moment davis got off the plane at the airport, (Ange was there with the Tiemans to pick up rdub at the airport) until the day he left, r w 's demeanor was mean, gruff, condescending and condemning.  davis screamed out the 'message' "What's in YOUR books?", which really was a message for r w davis that he pitchforked onto everyone else without applying it to his own adulterous self.  Hmmn.  


Afterwards, in the kitchen, Nichelle Tieman lied and told r w davis that Ange wanted to go to bible school.  If you know anything about ntcc, you know what a nail in the relationship-coffin that was.  Don was not going to bible school.  So in ntcc this made Ange off-limits to Don.  Not only that; but Don had wanted to go to bible school and unforgiving - but - guilty - himself -  davis had not "allowed it" even though Pop Gaylord gave Don a good recommendation to go. (See "Letters From The Past", {Part One}  for proof of Pop Gaylord's good recommendation, in Mom Gaylord's own handwriting.)  Talk about a twisted diabolical scheme to keep Don living a forced life of celibacy!  Three different ntcc pastors told him or a woman he was talking to they should not be talking!  Then this lie by nichelle tieman, the adulteress!  Forcing the ntcc rule-induced separation of Don and Ange; just because nichelle lied; and davis did not "allow" Don to go to the bible school.  Why?  


Even davis knew that Don is a good brother.  In davis' own words to Don:  "I [rw] never saw the devil fight anyone as hard as he fights you [Don]".  It was also at this time that davis told Don:  "I know what happened with you [Don] and [hummel and  rudy, and the rejected advances from broadnax the homosexual pastors] was NOT MUTUAL [Don did not want homosexuality.]  But, [davis continued] I think THIS [Don's involvement with nichelle tieman] WAS MUTUAL."  Ya think?  Seven years of not even being able to talk to a woman does wear down a brother who does not have the 'gift' of celibacy!  Of course he's going to be tempted even if it was Nichelle Tieman doing the tempting.  


Why did  Nichelle approach a single brother to meet her sexual needs?  At a conference in Missouri Nichelle was telling a room full of women how bad her husband David Tieman Sr. was in bed.  She was doing it in her usual scornful manner of speaking.  If you know Nichelle, you know what we are talking about:  How she makes fun of people constantly, including her own biological brother....  In that room were church members, bible school students, and ministers' wives.  Let them come on here and say that these things we share are true; because they were there and saw and heard it too.  In fact, this incident was the reason why davis, the very next day, stopped "letting" people fellowship in the rooms at the campground!  Additionally, many people have shared how horrible the Tiemans were as overseers because of their rude, sanctimonious, holier-than-thou behavior.

That brings us to the heart of the matter. The Tiemans (Nichelle and David Sr.) can not even keep their own house in order. They should NEVER be set up as Overseers to tell others how to do ANYTHING.


To date Nichelle has never apologized to Don or Ange for her adultery and lying. This indicates her lack of repentance (impenitent).   The bible says to rebuke openly before all, that others may fear. It says to not suffer a brother to sin.  People may not like the truth; but eXposing the truth is the only way to affect repentance. The ntcc would rather lift up Nichelle and David Sr. in pride and could care less that they are impenitent. As one anonymous poster shared on Jeff Collin's blog:

Anonymous said...
Jeff, then why is the woman that this man mentioned by name one of the leaders in ntcc?
I don't know but they are going to churches and preaching around and are seen as leaders for the ntcc, if I'm not mistaken her husband is in the board of ntcc, while real men and women like the John and Rebecca Rodrigues in the phillipines are just put on the back burner so to speak.
Is that what you have to do to belong to the board? Wow and wow!!!


These things ought not to be so.  Nichelle should repent of her adultery and lying; David Sr. should repent of his lack of meeting his wife's sexual needs. Or else David Tieman Sr. should step down from the board of the ntcc and relinquish his Overseer status.  They really are not qualified.  Just ask those who have had to endure the Tiemans coming to town on their broom  in their recreational vehicle.
  
NOT nichelle tieman; but it does
evoke memories of her actions...

The ntcc wants to disregard the bible commandment concerning Overseers found in 1 Tim 3:15: 

For if a man know not how to rule his own house, 
how shall he take care of the church of God?

That's what the bible says, people.  That is what God expects.  So how about it ntcc?  Perhaps the real reason the Tiemans have been allowed to advance is because they are not the only ones with unrepented-of sins.  Perhaps the very top 'leaders' of the ntcc have impenitent hearts and seek others who have skeletons in the closet to share the board room (or bedroom) with them.  Something to think about.  Perhaps the top ntcc leaders themselves do not know how to rule their own houses and as such should not take care of the church of God!


Update:  From the comments section on this post:

Anonymous said...
Somebody was telling some years back that when the tiemans were in denver pastoring a church, they used to invite the members of thier church to come to their house and enjoy the spa that ms. tieman had found for free in the newspaper. They used to have a blast when the tiemans were pastoring there.
NOw with this info about how ms. tieman behaved with don, it is so telling what were the intentions of nichelle bringing their members to enjoy their "blessing" (spa)
1 NCO 2 Another said...
Yeah, it's as obvious as when nichelle purposely pushed Don into the water from the paddle boat that they were in on a small pond at a park near the ntcc servicemen's home in Colorado Springs (Ft. Carson) on Circle. Drive.

nichelle wanted to flirt and get a good look at Don in his wet clingy clothes. I was there and saw the whole thing. nichelle's oblivious husband david tieman sr. was there too and saw the whole thing. I could not believe my eyes! I could see very plainly that she was flirting with / coming on to Don. Is david tieman sr. that dumb or did he just not care who nichelle was throwing herself at? It really was freaky.

Of course now we all know the rest of the story with Don.

And now thanks to your post we see that this was a pattern of bad behavior exhibited by nichelle tieman. A spa? Seriously? In a HOLINESS preacher's house?

I guess the Lord really does "use that jacuzzi in mysterious ways".

Here's a link to a video that says it all:



Shaking my head. You know, I'm starting to wonder if david tieman sr. is a little gay himself? I mean; come on? How many times does your wife have to throw herself at other men to try and get your attention? Are you gay, dave? Or is nichelle some kind of nymphomaniac that you just can't keep up with her? Or do you both just need some good old fashioned counseling from a real counselor, not davis the blabber mouth who WILL air your private business from the pulpit if it suits him; (as he has boasted that he does do that.... And we've all seen and heard it too!)

I just don't get it; why do you want to continue in sin? Lying to yourselves about who you are and what you want. Why not just go out and be REAL bad girls or bad boys and quit pretending?

Or better still, why not go to the cross and really get a touch of salvation and healing from Jesus Christ the Merciful?

Are you really that proud that you'd rather go to hell for halfway-living in sin?

You don't have to. Repentance is one prayer away. Forgiveness is yours for the asking.

(Don and) Ange
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1)  Why I Left The ntcc


2)  The Celibacy Policy


3)  Homosexual Pastors

10 comments:

Don and Ange said...

Also, while r w davis was in town to jack-up the tiemans, davis told Don to "stay away from them until they left Colorado Springs." That was simple enough.

But in the mean time david tieman, sr. tried to wax all pastoral toward Ange. With nichelle as a witness, dave pulled Ange aside and told her that Don had left; and Don would probably try to get Ange to leave too. *sigh*

Ange listened quietly and said something like "Okay." to indicate she had heard. Truth was Ange (and nichelle) knew more about the situation than dave did.

When the tiemans left Colorado Springs, Don returned and life continued in the ntcc.

Anonymous said...

I appreciate you opening up about this activity that happened and probably still happens in the NTCC. While it was hard to tell of things that affected you, it was the NTCC that used your vulnerability, naivety, and desires against you. It is sad that they continue to ride around and acting as if this never happened. May God have vengeance for every abuse of His children...

Don and Ange said...

Anonymous said:

"I appreciate you opening up about this activity that happened and probably still happens in the NTCC."

Don and Ange said:

"We do this so that others can see they are not alone. As horrible as our stories are, I'm sure they pale in comparison to others. Many people have had horrible things happen to them in the ntcc and while we are among them, we have chosen to speak out. We hope that others will make the same choice because when people expose the ntcc by relaying personal stories it strengthens and emboldens others to unite for the same cause.

There are many that walked a fine line in the ntcc and they lived with integrity not falling for the trickery of the ntcc leadership. We commend those people and with much respect we owe them a debt of gratitude for being a testimony to us. My story is one of many failures and heartbreaks. But through it all there also has been great victory and we are living a miracle right now. We have hope in God and we look to Him for a secure future. I have obtained peace with God and in this life and we are very happy with the way God is taking us. We hope others can have this also.

Don and Ange

Anonymous said...

Somebody was telling some years back that when the tiemans were in denver pastoring a church, they used to invite the members of thier church to come to their house and enjoy the spa that ms. tieman had found for free in the newspaper. They used to have a blast when the tiemans were pastoring there.
NOw with this info about how ms. tieman behaved with don, it is so telling what were the intentions of nichelle bringing their members to enjoy their "blessing" (spa)

1 NCO 2 Another said...

Yeah, it's as obvious as when nichelle purposely pushed Don into the water from the paddle boat that they were in on a small pond at a park near the ntcc servicemen's home in Colorado Springs (Ft. Carson) on Circle. Drive.

nichelle wanted to flirt and get a good look at Don in his wet clingy clothes. I was there and saw the whole thing. nichelle's oblivious husband david tieman sr. was there too and saw the whole thing. I could not believe my eyes! I could see very plainly that she was flirting with / coming on to Don. Is david tieman sr. that dumb or did he just not care who nichelle was throwing herself at? It really was freaky.

Of course now we all know the rest of the story with Don.

And now thanks to your post we see that this was a pattern of bad behavior exhibited by nichelle tieman. A spa? Seriously? In a HOLINESS preacher's house?

I guess the Lord really does "use that jacuzzi in mysterious ways".

Here's a link to a video that says it all:

{Click here}

Shaking my head. You know, I'm starting to wonder if david tieman sr. is a little gay himself? I mean; come on? How many times does your wife have to throw herself at other men to try and get your attention? Are you gay, dave? Or is nichelle some kind of nymphomaniac that you just can't keep up with her? Or do you both just need some good old fashioned counseling from a real counselor, not davis the blabber mouth who WILL air your private business from the pulpit if it suits him; (as he has boasted that he does do that.... And we've all seen and heard it too!)

I just don't get it; why do you want to continue in sin? Lying to yourselves about who you are and what you want. Why not just go out and be REAL bad girls or bad boys and quit pretending?

Or better still, why not go to the cross and really get a touch of salvation and healing from Jesus Christ the Merciful?

Are you really that proud that you'd rather go to hell for halfway-living in sin?

You don't have to. Repentance is one prayer away. Forgiveness is yours for the asking.

(Don and) Ange

ntcc-ish evangelists said...

Here's the address to that video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCCUUi5rx-0

Not sure who first put this on Jeff's blog; but it really fits the ntcc "spa" and board member crowd.

Anonymous said...

Such lies. I think you could have done better with your lame story. :)

Don and Ange said...

Anon, Your saying "such lies" like a four year-old crying "liar, liar, pants on fire" does not make our true story a lie. Nor does it make your false accusation the truth. Fact is, it is YOU, Anon, who is a liar. For you falsely accuse us of not sharing the truth; but we have shared the truth. That hot feeling you get when you write your libelous lie against us is the Holy Ghost convicting you of your sin of lying about us. But perhaps you can no longer blush, having gone too far, being past feeling as the Bible describes those who reject the truth:

Jer 6:15 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time [that] I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.

Jer 8:12 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore shall they fall among them that fall: in the time of their visitation they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.

Ephesians 4:17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,

Eph 4:18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

Eph 4:19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

You seem quite blind in your heart, Anon, rejecting the true testimony of multiple witnesses.

If you doubt our account, go ask Sandy Gesang and Vicki Malone about nichelle tieman trash-talking her husband, david tieman sr. at the conference. They were both in that room and afterwards we three gathered in the hallway of building "J" at the campground where this took place and looked at each other in wide-eyed dismay, shaking our heads, silently determining which one of us would have the dismal task of who would tell rodger davis what had happened. I believe it was Sandy Gesang who did so. Immediately rodger wilson davis stopped fellowship in the rooms at the campground. Ask around and see what people who were there tell you. Unless, as I suspect, you don't want the truth.

That, of course, is your choice. God has given us free-will. It is your choice to decide if you want the truth and life or lies and death. Some, unfortunately, will choose death and destruction. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

Don and Ange said...

This anonymous person, perhaps it is Ember, is resisting the truth. This ties in with everything we have posted in our S.A.D. Similar and Different post about these type of people described in 2 Timothy 3:

2 Tim 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

2 Tim 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

2 Tim 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

2 Tim 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

2 Tim 3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all [men], as theirs also was.

We wonder what those who know this person would have to say about his or her life and character? We suspect not much Christian testimony would be gathered about him or her. It seems instead his or her folly would be made manifest. And, as we are admonished to do so in the Word, from such turn away.

Anonymous said...

In Portland the Tiemans use to pastor me. I always wondered why I kept leaving that church all those years. Now I know God was keeping me away.

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