tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.comments2023-04-28T04:15:15.576-07:00ntcc Xer blog: New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. eX-Ministers' and eX-Members' SiteDon and Angehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comBlogger7203125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-1865988543678757852016-10-31T18:18:41.774-07:002016-10-31T18:18:41.774-07:00I remember when it was cool to listen to and quote...I remember when it was cool to listen to and quote Rush Limbaugh. Once RW expressed some likemindedness to something Rush said then all the butt kissers would do the same.bryan hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02431891960614109424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-42049989634669379472016-10-31T11:21:15.678-07:002016-10-31T11:21:15.678-07:00It's funny, the whole group think thing. I wo...It's funny, the whole group think thing. I wonder how ridiculous you could be before some of these people finally said "OK, now that's stupid, I'm not doing that". <br /><br />From haircuts, how you say pastor, to wing tips... It's hilarious.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-60336315491874929082016-10-31T07:14:16.512-07:002016-10-31T07:14:16.512-07:00I wrote about this before but I remember when I wa...I wrote about this before but I remember when I was fairly new all the people coming back from a conference sometime in the 90's. Everyone started saying (Pas TORE) instead of pastor. I didn't know what to make of it at the time but it is definitely a place full of sheeple.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-85858043071848145282016-10-29T12:24:48.919-07:002016-10-29T12:24:48.919-07:00"Vic, does that remind you of old rwd?"
..."Vic, does that remind you of old rwd?"<br /><br />Sure does--everyone went around wearing barongs all the time because of him, and ministers were getting diamond pinkie rings too. I never fell for those, but I did get in on the brief fad for clerical collars. RW said he wore them when traveling because it led to preferential treatment. I had some church members who bought me a couple, and I'd wear them to church. Got the weirdest looks in the grocery store with my wife and children; I guess people thought I was a Catholic priest or something. It was really goofy.<br /><br />I must have been gone when he pulled the flat top thing in Graham, but he did the same thing in St. Louis when I was still a student. I was up playing the drums and he put me on the spot in front of the whole church, asking me if I was going to get one too. So of course I caved and said "yes sir." The next day he sent word that I really didn't have to if I didn't want to, which was a big relief. I guess I failed that test, because I didn't want to and I didn't, so I suppose he made a mental note that I wasn't quite putty yet. But a bunch of other suckers did. He loved having a bunch of mini-me clones scurrying about imitating him. A true narcissist.Vic Johansonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-61878396093877364022016-10-29T06:09:18.833-07:002016-10-29T06:09:18.833-07:00Non profit religious organizations are about the o...Non profit religious organizations are about the only tax shelters for low life hucksters that want to mix private enrichment with tax-exempt activity. There are a lot of loopholes for religious hucksters. If they say that spending money on personal enrichment is part of their religious belief system and they can quote a twisted scripture that supports it, the IRS will turn a blind eye. The FBI has to have an awful lot of dirt to open an investigation into a religious huckster like Davis or Kekel. Congress opened an investigation into the top six money making hucksters in America but nothing ever seems to have come of it. One former ntcc minister wrote letters to the IRS and congressmen but never got any answers. It's hard enough to prosecute these sleaze bags for molesting children. The Statute of Limitations protects predators from being tried when the child has grown up and overcome their fear enough to turn them in. Those cases are hard enough to prove in a court of law when there is evidence. <br /><br />Going after rich church leaders doesn't seem to be high on the priority list of the IRS or anyone in Law enforcement. A civil suit would probably be the best way to go but those cost a lot of money and there are not a lot of lawyers out there that don't want to go through the process of attempting to take down a rich institution unless they have a lot of evidence against them. The problem with the ntcc is that everyone is afraid of them. Very few people will go public or pursue any type of legal action against them. The ntcc will make their case that there is precedent in ripping people off because other churches do it. There is precedent in preachers getting rich. There is precedent in preaching a whole bunch of man made rules and controlling every aspect of a persons life. The Amish do it and so do many, many other cults. One of the few prosecutions that we know about was Fontenot and that is because his x-wife went to the police because Olson and Davis wanted to protect and harbor the pervert. I know people don't like harsh language or to hear about the 3 "P"s of the ntcc: perverts, pedophiles and predators but it makes me sick that they have got away with so much abuse. I hate people that take advantage of the weak. The ntcc takes advantage of women and children. What they have done openly should be a crime, but they get away with it because Mothers and Fathers allow them to abuse their children. They put their children in harms way by allowing unsupervised access to their children. Husbands allow their wives to be abused. They do not stand up for them. In some cases they are the source of abuse. Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-28018570268904499742016-10-29T04:14:23.136-07:002016-10-29T04:14:23.136-07:00Qas just reading an article in the wall street jou...Qas just reading an article in the wall street journal entitled grifter-in-chief. The article was about the relationship between the Clinton foundation and thenClintons personal enrichment. The article has this quote, "Any nonprofit lawyer in America knows the ironclad rule of keeping private enrichment away from tax-exempt activity, for the simple reason that mixing the two involves ripping off taxpayers."<br /><br />I could not help but think of NTCC and how Davis designed a charitable organization for personal enrichment. <br /><br />Disgusting.<br /><br />EricEricnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-87156977877374698022016-10-28T21:21:32.986-07:002016-10-28T21:21:32.986-07:00Hey Vic,
I remember you as a teacher in Graham. I...Hey Vic,<br /><br />I remember you as a teacher in Graham. I can confirm fellowship at the at the big table was almost never spiritual, unless their was a push to manipulate the sheeple into giving more or doing more - then some new doctrine would come up like people should tithe not just their money - but a real dedicated christian should also dedicate a tithe of their time to the church. I heard that from the mouth of rwd more than once while they we building the big church and needed free labor. He calculated the tithe of your time should be about 17 hours. He was a no good, self-serving, carnal-minded, master manipulator from the get-go.<br /><br />Your post reminded me of the flat-top craze that went around the church in the 90's. rwd had some kind of skin condition on his scalp and felt the best way to treat himself involved wearing a flat-top haircut for a few months. During that time, the completely yielded men went out and got flat-tops and rwd encouraged this kind of behavior among all the men. He used this, along with the wing-tip thing to judge an individuals loyalty to him. He took it personal that if people did not follow his myriad of ways to test people to see how he could use them; then he would squeeze them for all he could.<br /><br />Vic, does that remind you of old rwd?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-30934450692791709022016-10-28T15:41:11.736-07:002016-10-28T15:41:11.736-07:00Also:
Cheese EatersAlso:<br /><br />Cheese EatersVic Johansonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-80177344221940695102016-10-28T15:40:40.266-07:002016-10-28T15:40:40.266-07:00"Vic,
When you were a teacher did you ever f..."Vic,<br /><br />When you were a teacher did you ever feel like you were apart of the in crowd? Did it ever pump you up to sit at "the table"..."<br /><br />I never quite felt like I attained that status, even though I was a teacher. Despite being brainwashed, I still retained a modicum of nonconformity--for example, I've still never had a pair of wingtips on my feet. At some level I suppose I craved it, but couldn't bring myself to jump through every ridiculous hoop. It just wasn't in me to become a Keith Gandy or Eli Gesang type suckup. The identity I'd assumed was already false enough. I was in the No Wingtip Zone (which didn't go undetected, btw).<br /><br />Sitting at "the table" was OK from the perspective of just hanging out, but that's all it amounted to and it got old pretty fast. My wife and I actually got in an argument once because I quit wanting to congregate up there for fellowship, and I had to enlighten her that the spiritual giants in attendance weren't imparting pearls of divine wisdom; they were telling dirty jokes and trash talking "loser" preachers.<br /><br />I just never fit in at NTCC and the day I left was like getting born again again. All kinds of people submerge their personalities in a vain attempt to become someone they aren't. We were under constant pressure to be manpleasers.Vic Johansonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-135235118107170162016-10-28T14:10:46.594-07:002016-10-28T14:10:46.594-07:00Anonymous said...
The "in crowd" consist...Anonymous said...<br />The "in crowd" consists of:<br /><br />tattletales<br />spies<br />provokers<br />stepford clones<br />false witnesses<br />spineless<br />boot lickers<br />sneak dissers<br /><br />You forgot to mention one other group:<br /><br />navel-gazers:<br /><br />Engaging in self-absorbed behavior, often to the point of being narcissistic. If she would stop navel-gazing, she would realize the light had turned green. As defined by the Urban dictionary.Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-40599639999976566392016-10-28T13:54:27.384-07:002016-10-28T13:54:27.384-07:00Eric said:
"Just realized I carried your &qu...Eric said:<br /><br />"Just realized I carried your "torch" for the next 13 years...96-2009. NTCC experiences more turnover than a mattress in a pay by the hour motel."<br /><br />DNA said:<br /><br />Ha ha ha. They turned us like tricks. It's a sad way to look at it but it's true. Ashmore was right when he said to flee from the Whore. Especially when you think how little they cared about us after we left. When you leave the ntcc, there usually is an ultimatum involved. We were treated worse than we would have been if we were one night stands. It wasn't enough for us just to leave and live our lives in peace, but in so many cases we were told that if we made the decision to leave the church, we would be choosing eternity in the lake of fire. Then they would even lie about you after you left. He ran off with someone else's wife. He was into porn. He wanted sin more than he wanted God. And the list goes on.....Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-82199585783874222282016-10-28T11:01:44.957-07:002016-10-28T11:01:44.957-07:00Vic said,
" The public impression was that w...Vic said,<br /><br />" The public impression was that we were up there discussing the deep things of God, but mostly it was RW bloviating about building, politics, money, and sex. There was nearly zero spiritual content. He was a fake to the core."<br /><br />I was so excited after I graduated and could sit at the big table during fellowship. I had anticipated it being such a great experience and man I was let down. I stopped going up there, but he would sometimes ask why I wasn't sitting up there with the other minister, so I felt like it was expected of us. It was a complete let down. <br /><br />Going to Olsen's house such a bore and it drove me crazy. He even fell asleep on me a few times and I had to sit there waiting for him to wake up.<br /><br />Going to Kekel's house was fun because he had so many wide interests, the food was good, and he would talk and teach and we would even joke around. Once I got married, we stopped going there. Years after we left the Org, my wife told me Kekel had brushed up against her inappropriately several times. She kept trying to explain it away and stopped going over there to help clean her house.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-31947723183680252712016-10-28T10:53:15.836-07:002016-10-28T10:53:15.836-07:00Vic said,
"Most preachers are absurdly prud...Vic said, <br /><br />"Most preachers are absurdly prudish and uptight about sex, so I found the contrast refreshing, but failed to realize that the opposite extreme is also problematic and didn't understand how he was desensitizing us for his own reasons."<br /><br />I felt the same way. It eventually became uncomfortable and I hated trying to explain away his obsession to myself and others. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-51763100704123859982016-10-28T05:38:38.999-07:002016-10-28T05:38:38.999-07:00Don,
Just realized I carried your "torch&quo...Don,<br /><br />Just realized I carried your "torch" for the next 13 years...96-2009. NTCC experiences more turnover than a mattress in a pay by the hour motel.<br /><br />EricEricnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-17969371847018319602016-10-28T01:09:32.355-07:002016-10-28T01:09:32.355-07:00One time at the Servicemen's Home in Ft. Bragg...One time at the Servicemen's Home in Ft. Bragg, Davis sent me after some cold medicine. He wanted extra strength Contac. I went to 3 different stores looking for it, only to find out that it had been discontinued or recalled because back then people were tampering with drugs. He ended up having me get him some other brand. <br /><br />Looking back on this incident it just dawned on me that Davis never exhibited any flu or cold symptoms. I used to wonder why he would sit around and glare at people. I think he was high on cold medicine. He was a Nyquil/Contac junkie. Very seldom would he ever come through and talk about anything spiritual. He would sit there in prayer meetings just staring into space. Davis was trippin on severe cold and flu medicine.Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-85007651515080188082016-10-28T00:58:49.535-07:002016-10-28T00:58:49.535-07:00Anonymous said...
just wanted to know how long don...Anonymous said...<br />just wanted to know how long don't and ange. was in ntcc my family and I were in ntcc many years they left in the split<br /><br />DNA said:<br /><br />13 years from 83 to 96.<br />Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-11686604433093248652016-10-27T11:39:57.004-07:002016-10-27T11:39:57.004-07:00Vic,
When you were a teacher did you ever feel li...Vic,<br /><br />When you were a teacher did you ever feel like you were apart of the in crowd? Did it ever pump you up to sit at "the table"...<br /><br />Just really curious as to your state of mind back in the day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-85668764310291786122016-10-27T10:45:36.591-07:002016-10-27T10:45:36.591-07:00just wanted to know how long don't and ange. w...just wanted to know how long don't and ange. was in ntcc my family and I were in ntcc many years they left in the splitAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-19334585927142150322016-10-27T08:46:31.899-07:002016-10-27T08:46:31.899-07:00RW was fixated on sex, and often got crude in his ...RW was fixated on sex, and often got crude in his "psychology" classes. <br />We heard all kinds of intimate personal details taken from his pastoral "counseling" sessions, and he'd also blab similar content from the pulpit, usually for the purpose of ridicule. Most preachers are absurdly prudish and uptight about sex, so I found the contrast refreshing, but failed to realize that the opposite extreme is also problematic and didn't understand how he was desensitizing us for his own reasons.<br /><br />I was a teacher in Graham and was expected to sit at the Big Table in the fellowship hall, where Rodger held court with the teachers, pastors, workers, and other minions while the student peasants ate their overpriced chips and salsa and foodbank bread bologna sandwiches. The public impression was that we were up there discussing the deep things of God, but mostly it was RW bloviating about building, politics, money, and sex. There was nearly zero spiritual content. He was a fake to the core.Vic Johansonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-38411207373761520372016-10-27T07:10:27.724-07:002016-10-27T07:10:27.724-07:00Without a doubt good 'ol Roger Doger was a sex...Without a doubt good 'ol Roger Doger was a sexual predator. He was an adulterer, who could not remember the last time he sinned. He talked so much about it, his peons talked about it. I was around a pastor who had been involved since the beginning and a lot of his after-church jokes, were about sex. The other guys would laugh, but it made me very uncomfortable, especially as a single guy.<br /><br />Roger enabled many of his peons to become sexual predators. They use their position and authority to seduce women, grab women and men. <br /><br />And that is just the stuff we know and can see. What else is still under-wraps. Makes me shudder.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-39904219586245856462016-10-27T04:59:48.671-07:002016-10-27T04:59:48.671-07:00What a sad, pathetic and perveted view of the worl...What a sad, pathetic and perveted view of the world. For Davis to believe if your alone with the opposite sex, it can only be to have sex andbif that doesnt happen, someone is gay! Like we are a bunch of rabbits. That is the thought process of a sexual predator in my opinion. <br /><br />EricEricnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-81226271666779359302016-10-27T01:24:06.723-07:002016-10-27T01:24:06.723-07:00Anonymous said:
"I was accused of being a le...Anonymous said:<br /><br />"I was accused of being a lesbian on more than one occasion."<br /><br />DNA said:<br /><br />You are not alone. I've heard ntcc preachers, inspired by Davis, say that if a man was alone with a woman, and nothing happened, either they were lying or he or she was a homosexual/lesbian. If a man and woman were having problems in their sex life it had to be because he was getting some on the side or he was a homosexual. But that wasn't always the case. Some relationships were just destroyed by meddling preachers and micro management of every spare minute of time to the point that couples had no quality time together. Relationships and families suffered. They loved to label people as homosexuals because along with that title was the stigma of being a reprobate without hope. Davis said he never seen a homosexual get saved. Davis hated people without a cause and loved to classify people "without hope". <br /><br />When I left the ntcc there was a certain sister who had left prior to me and she wanted a ride somewhere. She was married and at the time things were not working out. I drove her to a place and dropped her off at a friends house. I never heard from her again for years but she had got back with her husband and they've been happily married for years. After this incident I actually tried to go back to the ntcc, and I was honest and told Dorsie about this incident. Dorsie told Davis. Davis said I either had sex with her or I was a homosexual. Later, after I left the ntcc for good, the rumor was started that I had "ran off" with this woman. This is what the ntcc does. They want to discredit everyone who leaves so they start rumors and lies about people. The ones that remain believe these lies and rumors and break off contact with those who leave. Everyone who leaves the cult is believed to be God haters because of this. It also serves as an admonishment to those who remain that if they get out of line they will turn out just like the ones who are labeled as God haters, homosexuals, lesbians, adulterers and reprobates. Who is really the reprobate? Is Ashmore a reprobate? Maybe, but not because he left the ntcc. I think the ones who stay are more in danger of being without hope than the ones who leave. When a person leaves they can unlearn all of the false doctrines and find peace with God, but people in the cult are in constant turmoil until they leave. <br /><br />Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-38664596713988697432016-10-26T17:03:15.154-07:002016-10-26T17:03:15.154-07:00Sneak dissers are Surreptitious two faced connivin...Sneak dissers are Surreptitious two faced conniving back stabbers who smile in your face, but the second you walk by they are gossiping and slandering you in their little cliques, and trust me, the ntcc is full of those.Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-86835359046339484892016-10-26T15:38:57.874-07:002016-10-26T15:38:57.874-07:00The way that the NTCC grooms people to be spies an...The way that the NTCC grooms people to be spies and busybodies is almost the same way that the Hitler Youth worked with the Gestapo to spy on their own families. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-20362148256348058102016-10-26T14:37:57.081-07:002016-10-26T14:37:57.081-07:00The Stepford wives are horrible... No personality....The Stepford wives are horrible... No personality... No common Sense... Everything revolves around if your a pastor or not, good at it or not... They hate women... They hate themselves... I couldn't stand many of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com