Happy Easter from Ezekiel

As I read Ezekiel's message to Israel, I couldn't help but think how that much of what was written thousands of years ago, would apply to the church world today.  Chapters 33 and 34 of the book of Ezekiel encompass so much of what God's plan is all about.  Israel was in captivity; because they rejected God.  Ezekiel spoke to them by revelation; and many of his words can be heard today if we listen.  It's not all about judgement.  In fact God reaches out to any and all that will listen.

Ezekiel 33:2-4

Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:


If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;


Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.


People are warned; and if they do not choose to heed the warning their blood is upon their own head.  This is what is happening in the ntcc.  People are being warned to leave the ntcc.  The trumpet can be heard throughout the land.  Some people will listen; and others will not.  Those that don't listen cannot be helped.

Ezekiel 33:5-6

He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.


But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take [any] person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.


There are people in the NTCC that are listening to the warnings;  and they are leaving in numbers.  This is great.  We are happy for folks that get out and find freedom from the aggressors.  We have heard from many folks that say, "Why don't you just let God deal with the ntcc?"  We've all heard it many times: "The X-ers are just bitter!"  I'm not making any sensational claims that God has called me to be a watchman and to warn the ntcc; but this task falls on anyone that does not wish to see people they love forced into bondage.  Anyone with common decency would desire to warn their fellow human being of any situation that would be harmful to them.  There are people in the ntcc that I consider to be Brothers and Sisters.  I love them as I would my own family.  We have taken it upon ourselves to warn others; because we know that what we went through in the ntcc was not of God.  It's the decent thing to do.

Ezekiel 33:11

Say unto them, [As] I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?


The ntcc gives a person little or no hope.  When they tell folks that they are the last move of God on earth and they fill their minds with hypocritical rules and their hearts with false hope, they create boundaries and limitations that prevent Christians from being what God intended them to be.  God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked!!! But sometimes, I think, the ntcc does!  When someone like Kekel tells a man to "go ahead" and kill himself, you have to wonder!  When a heartless preacher says to his wife, "If you don't like it here, pack your bags and leave." to embarrass her in front of a congregation of "God's people" you have to ask yourself:  "Does this person take pleasure in being cruel?"

Ezekiel 33:18-19

When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby.


But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall live thereby.


It's really that simple; but the ntcc complicates things so much.  According to the ntcc, if you leave the ntcc, you are leaving God;  and if you do not obey the ntcc pastor, you are disobeying God.  The scripture in this chapter gives people a lot more hope than the ntcc does.  If you turn to righteousness your sins will no longer be remembered.  It doesn't matter what you spent your whole life doing.  It's simple; and it applies to everyone.

I've heard more than one ntcc minister say:  "How can you burn the candle of life all the way down and then blow the smoke in God's face?"  Where do they get this? Where in the bible do you find God rejecting anyone that comes to Him?  They not only preach against deathbed repentance, but they also would have you to believe if you leave their ranks you are without hope.  There is hope for everyone.

Ezekiel Chapter 34 talks about the Shepherds of Israel.  They were the Pastors of the flock of Israel.  They were responsible for the well being of the people just as a Shepherd is responsible for the well being of the sheep.  Israel was misled by its Shepherds; and their leadership was corrupt.  Sound familiar?

Ezekiel 34:2-6

Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds; Woe [be] to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?


Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: [but] ye feed not the flock.


The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up [that which was] broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them.


And they were scattered, because [there is] no shepherd: and they became meat to all the beasts of the field, when they were scattered.


My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek [after them].


The ntcc leadership at the highest levels is guilty of the same thing.  They eat the fat, and clothe themselves with the wool.  They kill those that are already fed, but they feed not the flock.  They don't concern themselves with the diseased, the sick, the broken or the poor.  In fact, they tell you not to even waste your time with the poor; because "You can't build a church with the poor!"  :-(

The ntcc rules with force and cruelty.  They run people off and they say, "Leave them alone".  Let them die and go to hell.  They don't bring back those that are driven away; and they don't seek the lost.  They only seek that which makes the Shepherd Hirelings  fat and happy.  The sheep have become scattered and are meat for the beasts of the field.


There are so many people that were neglected by the ntcc leadership.  They are scattered across all the hills and mountains. Do you think anyone in the ntcc cares about them anymore?  Many of us were scattered throughout the earth; and none came looking for us.  God is all about restoration!  A Pastor comes from the same Hebrew word that Shepherd comes from.  The ntcc leadership creates horrible so-called Pastors.  They don't care about the sheep; they care about themselves and what they get out of the deal.  When you leave, you are gone for good.  You made a choice according to them.  But we see that it was not the people but the Shepherds that scattered the people.  God wants them all back.

Ezekiel 34:7-10

Therefore, ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD;


[As] I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because [there was] no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock;


Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD;


Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I [am] against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.


There was no shepherd; because they fed themselves and not the flock; and not only that, they fed on the flock; and God said that He would deliver them from their mouth; that they be not meat for them.  God is against you, ntcc hirelings!  Because you are guilty of all the things that God spake of concerning the shepherds of Israel.  Don't get mad at us, get mad at Ezekiel, or get mad at God who inspired Ezekiel to write these words.  God is going to require His flock at your hands!  Because you have corrupted that which is pure and scattered God's people across the earth!  You have not sought them, nor tried to help them, but counted them as enemies.  You left many of them in helpless and hopeless situations to become meat for the beasts of the field.

Ezekiel 34:11-16

 I will seek My Sheep.

For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, [even] I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.


As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep [that are] scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.


And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.


I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold, and [in] a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel.


I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord GOD.


I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up [that which was] broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.


Great news for those who were scattered.  I believe this with all my heart; that God loves X-ers and does not wish for any of us to perish.  I know that God cared enough for me to find me in my lost and broken condition.  I was diseased, broken, lost, hurt, offended and suffering in anguish, thinking that there was no hope for me, ever.  Ezekiel speaks to us all, not just to Israel.  This is how God is; and this is what God does.  It's wonderful; and I'm not going to shut up about it.

HE's Alive - Easter Video by Don Francisco


God is all about restoration!

A good Shepherd will leave the 99 and seek out that one lost sheep that has gone astray!  God is not like the hirelings that feed off the fat of the land and trample under foot the good.  They have corrupted that which is left.  They have drank of the deep waters and fouled them for everyone else.  They have eaten of the good of the land and trampled everything down for everyone else.

There is hope for the hopeless; and Ezekiel speaks of it.  Happy Easter!!!!!  The river is deep and wide; and the land flourishes because of what we celebrate on this day.  Jesus is alive!  And He is alive for all of us.  We don't have to settle for the ntcc scraps that are left for us under the table.  There is rest for the weary.  Don't let others get rich off of your labors while they beat you down and leave you with nothing.  That's not love; and that's not what God is all about.

In spite of everything they tell you, there are good and decent people out there that care about others.  They might be few and far in between, but I don't think so.  I know there are churches with pastors that care about people and put the welfare of those people above that of their own.  If they are not servants of all steer clear of them.  If they want you to wait on them, shine their shoes, clean their recreational vehicles and pay their salaries while they live high on the hog, they are hirelings; and they do not care for the sheep or you.

God will make a way; and when He comes to find you, no matter where you are, what you have done, or what state you are in, allow Him to heal your broken soul.

Would Jesus Wear A Rolex? What Would Jesus Do?

Here in our little corner of cyberspace we blog about our experiences in the ntcc; and we share stories of what we have endured and what others have endured as members of a destructive cult, the New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc.  NTCC / NTCCA.  The average person, who has no experience in a cult, probably doesn't understand much of what we write.  To the 'leaders' of the ntcc, these blogs are a threat.  The members of the ntcc that follow these 'leaders', are warned not to frequent our blogs.  These faithful followers of men are told that we eX-members of ntcc, the Xers, are "evil" and "full of hate".  But that just ain't so.  And,  despite these worthless warnings, there are many people 'IN' the ntcc that want to hear what we have to say; and they read or follow the Xer  blogs.  Many times people have looked at what we do as hateful, unnecessary, and evil, saying that we are "bitter" and "need to get on" with our lives.  That's just more of the loaded cult jargon they have been programmed to regurgitate.    There are many who anonymously insult and try to refute us.  They do so anonymously; because they don't want to get caught participating on a blog that speaks out against the ntcc and because they have been ordered to stay off the blogs.  There disobedience to unlawful orders is encouraging.  We were once a part of this group.  We know that once they start reading the blogs, it is just a matter of time (on average 7 years), and they too will be blogging against the ntcc false doctrines and fake religious 'leaders'.  We understand.  We are here to share the truth with people so that they don't make the same mistakes that we did.  Instead, they can free themselves from the ntcc bondage and enjoy Christianity without legalistic leeches pumping them from the pulpit for more cash to fund the insatiable appetites of the materialistic ntcc 'leaders'.

Spending years of your life in a cult is a mistake of disastrous proportions.  This is very hard to see when you are a member of a church that proclaims they are "the last hope for a lost and dying world"; and you are convinced that the ntcc is God's only church.  Obviously we are the last people that someone in the ntcc would want to listen to; because we have been demonized by the ntcc leadership as God haters and reprobates.  We are not here to try to get you to stop serving God or to tell you how to live.  And, because our credibility has been damaged by the ntcc in the eyes of many that read, we ask you not to believe us, but to believe the bible.  We ask you to take a look at the words and actions of Jesus, and the disciples who followed him, and the people whose lives were touched by him.  Try to put aside your bias and everything you've heard about us and just compare the ntcc with the New Testament Church found in God's word.  A common teaching in many churches to include the ntcc is to ask the question what would Jesus do?  Let's look at what Jesus did and what the ntcc is doing.

Jesus did not seek wealth nor did he live in luxury.

Mat 19:21  "Jesus said unto him, if thou wilt be perfect, go and sell what thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me".

r w davis covets a Rolex 
 Presidential on sale for 
$18000 regularly $21000 
with diamonds,  rubies, &
so much more (than yours)
because that's how it is 'in'
YOUR  ntcc! *Give! Give!*
 I wouldn't even give r .w. 
 davis the time of day, much 
 less Another Rolex Watch! 
 He already conned you schlubs 
 (like I was) out of one Rolex! 
rdub, it's time to stop 
 robbing the churches 
 for your private benefit! 
 Get a REAL job! 

Would Jesus Wear A Rolex by Ray Stevens? on YouTube


The ntcc is supposedly a non-profit; but the leadership has benefited financially. Did you know that the borg buys a new Cadillac every year for R W Davis and the Board Members cars are also purchased by the NTCC?  Did you know that the Kekel's have been seen driving around in very expensive cars?  Did you know that RWD is trying to get ministers to take up a collection to buy him a Presidential Rolex watch at the price of nearly $20,000.00?  Did you know that most of the ministers in the ntcc have no health or life insurance policies; because they can't afford them.  And for years ntcc 'preached' against insurance for the non-board members. Most ministers in ntcc have very little or no savings of any kind; but much of the money that they did have has gone to support the selfish and materialistic life styles of the so-called 'spiritual' 'leaders' of the ntcc. Did you know that most ministers in the ntcc put everything they have into the churches they are assigned to in hopes of reaching the lost?  Meanwhile most of their tithe dollars end up in Graham, WA, supporting the luxurious life styles of the rich and infamous 'leaders' they follow.  Does any of this sound like behavior that you would find in the first four books of the New Testament?  You know; the red letter section of the bible?  What would Jesus do?  Do you realize how far these 'leaders' are from doing what Jesus would have done?

Mat 8:20   "The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the son of man hath not where to lay his head."

The ntcc is supposed to be a Christian church; and Christ often spoke of helping the poor.  ntcc preaches against helping the poor!  They teach their ministers "We don't do that."  It's even part of their doctrinal statement.  davis has lectured not to bring the homeless or poor to church, saying "You don't build a church that way!"  Also, did you know that the ntcc has no known charities that they give to?   And the borg 'leaders' are completely unaccountable to anyone as to where money actually goes?  Did you know that the ntcc has taken up offerings for specific purposes and spent that money on other things without being transparent?  Receiving money under false pretenses is illegal.  Do you really know where all of your World Missions dollars are going or have gone?  Do you trust somebody that requires you to give until it hurts while they have sacrificed nothing?  What has Kekel ever sacrificed?  Do you see a pattern here?  Do you really think that Jesus is pleased with this?

Lego The Good Samaritan
YouTube

Mat 23:3   All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Jesus and his followers were real.  They warned of hypocrites that would come and pervert the word of God.  Jesus warned us of people that would talk a good show; but their works would be contrary to their speech.  Did you know that RWD and Kekel have required much more of their followers than what they are willing to live themselves?  Did you know that many ministers in the ntcc have not sought higher education and that they have restricted their own children from educational opportunities while Kekel's son and RWD's Grandson has been attending the most prestigious private schools, academies and colleges in the country, on your dime?  Did you know that many of you that have deprived your children of their futures by not allowing them to participate in activities such as sports, have taken money that could have gone towards your own child's college education and given it to the ntcc so they could spend it on Grant Kekel's future?  Here is a small list of the fraction of rules that the ntcc has required of you, but they themselves have broken these rules, because they say and do not.

devilvision ^.".^

1.  Watching TV used to be a sin and was preached against.  The Television was referred to as the Devil-vision.  Kekel allowed his son to watch DVD movies on his computer monitor; and now many preachers have favorite movies listed on their facebook pages.  RWD told MDR to turn his hotel TV around; so he could watch it.  This after years of preaching against TV!  They say and do not.

sinner-net 

2.  The internet was referred to as the Sinnernet.  The internet was preached against; and people were blasted for surfing the Web.  People were falsely accused of looking at porn so the ntcc could keep people offline.   But now the ntcc runs many blogs and websites; they are on FaceBook and Twitter.  They use the internet for damage control to contradict our blogs that expose them for what they are:  Hypocrites who preach against the very things they do and demand that others do what they won't (like soul-winning).  They say, and do not.

3.  Women have been told that they are supposed to be in subjection to their husbands; that they are not to have jobs; and that they are not to usurp authority over men.  Tanya Kekel has a job that involves usurping authority over bible school students; and women overseas have been told to get jobs to help support their husbands' ministries!  I guess God was not able to provide.  They say and do not.  

4.  Women are not allowed to wear make up while the Executive Board members' wives wear foundation to cover their rosie cheeks and wrinkled faces.  Many women were brought to tears because they were blasted for wearing make-up.  They say and they do not.

5.  Jewelry was preached against and forbidden to the average church member while many of the Pastors in the ntcc were prodding their church members to buy them 7 diamond cluster pinky rings and Rolex watches while Board members' wives would wear broaches and trinkets on their clothing and shoes.  Can you see the hypocrisy?  What would Jesus do?  I guarantee you that he wouldn't be hanging around folks like RWD and Kekel.

We could go on and on and write volumes on this subject.  We hope that you would take an honest look at what the ntcc leaders are all about.  Search the scriptures and see if you can find examples of the excess that we see in Graham.  None of the apostles lived in excess and what we see in the ntcc is contrary to the Word of God.  There are many people who have left the ntcc who have realized they were in a cult.  Where double standards exist, you will find profiteering.  Where rules are enforced by those who themselves disregard them, you will find hypocrisy.  Tell me that Jesus would condone this.  Somebody please come on this blog and tell me that Jesus is pleased with the ntcc and what they have become.  Show some examples of how the ntcc leadership has sacrificed and helped the poor and done the things that Christ would do.  They are hearers of the word and not doers.  They are like whited sepulchures which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are dead men's bones.  They take advantage of your good nature and Christianity and have used it to become wealthy.  

Next time you have questions about the sincerity for your leaders, just ask, What would Jesus do?  Next time you get raked over the coals for something that is not in the bible, see if you can find a precedent in the New Testament that supports it.  It's really simple.  Did Jesus care what people looked like?  He preached against what the Pharisees wore (long robes, broadened Phylacteries), but didn't tell people what to wear.  Don't let some hypocrite dictate standards to you.  If it's in the bible trust it, if it's not in the bible, ask yourself, is this something that Jesus would require?  What would Jesus do?

Should We Be Afraid?

 Super Piety 
 In the ntcc holiness is a badge of honor. 
 "LOOK WHAT MAKES US DIFFERENT FROM THOSE WICKED SINNERS".

One primary focus of the ntcc is to instill fear into the hearts of its members.  It's been shared by the ntcc that Jesus preached more about hell than he did about heaven.  There are, after all, only two choices in life that matter:  Heaven or Hell.  As X-ers we all share a certain amount of fear because of the fact that we once were members of a cult that used fear to keep us in our places for as long as possible.  Fear kept me in my place for thirteen years while I was in the ntcc and also fear controlled my life for fourteen years after leaving the ntcc.  A few months ago I was released from all that fear when God revealed to me that His plan of salvation has nothing to do with attending a cult or being super spiritual by living in accordance with the rules of the so called "Man of God" the most of which can not be explained reasonably by the bible.

In the ntcc we were very legalistic.  This is a word that I once thought was used only by God haters and reprobates but have since seen the true meaning behind the word.  The Wikipedia definition below accurately describes legalism that is practiced by cults and becomes destructive to all that subscribe to it.

Legalism, in Christian theology, is a sometimes-pejorative term referring to an over-emphasis on discipline of conduct, or legal ideas, usually implying an allegation of misguided rigour, pride, superficiality, the neglect of mercy, and ignorance of the grace of God or emphasizing the letter of law over the spirit.  Legalism is alleged against any view that obedience to law, not faith in God's grace, is the pre-eminent principle of redemption. Its opposite is antinomianism, which is the alleged view that believing in Jesus Christ is the only requirement for receiving eternal life.


While in the ntcc all of the sins and standards were emphasized much more than the Grace of God.  People were kept in their places by the warnings of hell rather than being allowed to grow in God's grace and to serve God out of love.  While Jesus did speak about hell it was mostly to the pharisees and hypocrites.  To sinner's, his followers and his disciples, Jesus spake less about specific sins or hell and condemnation then he did to the hypocrites.  Why are there very few if any references to Jesus preaching "holiness or hell" to his followers?  I would have to say that holiness is not a prerequisite to being saved.  In the ntcc holiness is a badge of honor.  "LOOK WHAT MAKES US DIFFERENT FROM THOSE WICKED SINNERS".  In all of the apostles' teachings and admonishments we never hear hell used as an alternative for those who don't follow their man-made policies.  There are lots of teachings concerning holiness but never is there a threat that comes along with those teachings that you will go to hell for all eternity if you do not live by these teachings.  In the ntcc we have "super apostles that know much more than the bible teaches and have added policies and new sins to the bible:


If you date someone you love without the approval of the super spiritual orator of the church you are living in sin.  While in the past we have seen fondling and child molestation take place in the highest places in the ntcc, is this really God?


Facial hair on a man is wrong for what reason or reasons?  I must be very rebellious because I purposely grow facial hair.


You are not capable of deciding who your own friends should be and who you can have over to your house because that is a decision that only a super apostle can make for you.  If you are so flaky that you need someone to decide this for you, than you might just belong to a cult.


If you love God, you will do things for the pastor of your church, like clean his house, shine his shoes, wash his car, mow his lawn, etc.  I submit to you that if your pastor loves you, he will be a servant of all and do those things for you.  


Each church will extract as much money as possible out of its members' wallets and pocket books because large amounts of money are required to support the lavish lifestyles of the super god-like apostles in Graham that live in an entirely different world than all of their loyal subjects.


When there is no biblical justification for the rules or consequences that are preached in the ntcc they resort to the "end all, know all" scripture that is constantly being referred to over and over in the ntcc:  


Hebrews 13:17 "Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your soul, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you."  I've seen this used to their advantage more than for the good of the church member.  What a great chapter to read and to take in context.  I will never advocate that you should disobey your pastor if he is leading you in the truth; but if the dude is making up his own rules and threatening you with hell as a consequence of disobeying him, you might just be in a cult and would be served well by getting yourself and your friends and anyone who will listen to you out of there quickly.  


Should we be afraid of these people and the doctrine they tried to ram down our throats?  I would say absolutely not.  We believe that they should be scared.  There are many X-members of the ntcc that are so afraid to speak out against them; and I can understand that.  But I will say this to those souls that are afraid.  Do you think that they care for you?  If you came back to them, do you think it would be a prodigal son moment?  I know when I came back to God it was, but I would not even want to think about what it would have been like if I would have attempted to return to an ntcc church.  Let's look at them for what they are.  If they are right, than we need to take quite a few scriptures out of the bible and throw them away.   If they are wrong, then we need to realize that and stop being afraid of them.  


I am not advocating that informing current members of the ntcc that they are in a cult is going to help them.  It wouldn't have helped me.  But I do think that standing up for what we believe in and not being afraid to disagree with the false teachings of the ntcc is a step in the right direction.  If we live in fear of the ntcc, it will not help anyone but them.  They want us to live in fear.  They don't want us to post things that bring attention to their corruption and would love nothing more than for us to go away.  We will bring attention to their evil ways over and over and over again because they have built their kingdom upon the souls that they have discarded and they prosper because of the thousands that are no longer with them.  Have they sought us out one by one to get us back? No. Neither will they.  They don't want us back because we have been used up.  They want new blood that has many more years of life that can be shaped and formed into what best serves them.  


We are X-ers and we feel it is our moral responsibility to bring to light what the ntcc wants to keep in darkness.  We will continue to shine the light into the abyss of the ntcc and maybe others will see the light and escape.  From thirteen years of experience written by an ex cult member we continue to warn and admonish current and ex cult members to escape for your lives while you still can.  There is life outside of the ntcc; and we are are determined to live it.

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Why Delete The Truth?

Hmnn...To Delete Or Not... 

On Deb's and Greg's blog, on the thread titled The Fear and Frustration in facing Pastor Davis. Fresh from the manly mind of Pastor Briggs... a former ntcc minister (who at one time lived in the Hawaii ntcc servicemens' home) named Kris M. asked Greg or Deb to remove all of Kris's previous comments from their blog.  Here's our reaction to this:  

Don and Ange said...

Greg, we are glad you don't have time right now to delete Kris's comments. 

Kris wrote such good  comments with real insight to how ntcc operates based solely on his personal experience and growing knowledge of the bible.  It seems counterproductive to remove these true stories.

We wonder if Kris has left the ntcc only physically, but is still held captive by the ntcc spiritually.

ntcc uses fear to control people.  ntcc even twists a natural fear or reverence of God into an unnatural fearful spirit that makes people do strange things.  People are too afraid of God; we wonder if that is the case here too.

God did instruct not to touch His anointed; yet God also records instances of His anointed being corrected and even rebuked.

The bible admonishes us to study the word so we can rightly divide the word of truth.

God never intended our reverence of Him to cause us to  hide hypocrisy.  Jesus clearly openly rebuked the hypocrites, warning them of impending judgment.

We don't need to fear eXposing ntcc's rampant hypocrisy, and double standards, and blatant sin.  We should see it as our duty to sound the trumpet to warn others of the ntcc's false doctrines just as the apostles clearly warned Christians of false teachers; writing letters that are now the books of the new testament.  They constantly detailed the differences between real Christianity and hypocrisy.  There is no shame in the truth  and no need to delete or hide our comments or articles based on real life experiences and knowledge of the truth.

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A)  Sounds True

B)  Sounds Cultish

C)  I Read It

D)  kekel Rocks

E)   kekel Is Weak

F)   Create Your Own By Leaving A Comment:  Example:  "F"  I'm afraid to be caught commenting on this blog

G)   Glad To Be Out of ntcc

H)  Create Your Own

I)    I'm Thinking Of Leaving ntcc

J)  Create Your Own

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Pitchfork Religion or Fishy Doctrine

mike kekel put together a blog post from material written by others that he used in an effort to accuse Xers of wrongdoing just because they no longer attend ntcc and have stated why they won't follow hypocrites like kekel and davis.  What is sad but true is that kekel's blog post does a better job of condemning him and davis than it does of condemning  Xers.  Let's look at some things kekel quoted and his discussion:

"This is part 6 of the Secondary qualities (pages 41 to 81) It reveals the thinking behind people who leave and rise up against people they once revered."

Immediately following is an excerpt from practical theology class which is made up mostly of comments from non-ntcc Christians, these words are shared:

“No other man, but the retired millionaire, is such a monarch of his day as is the minister. He can read on Monday morning, or write, or walk, or mingle all three, just as he deems best. On Tuesday morning, he can attend to his correspondence, or catalogue his library, or eat the heart out of some new book, or meet a company of friends, just as he decides. The order of his going out and coming in is largely at his own discretion. Living within wide liberty is dangerous; it has spoiled thousands. He can adapt any style of preaching that he likes, he can follow whatever line of thought he chooses … and … (this) begets in certain types of men a tone of mind which says: “I am Sir Oracle, and when I open my lips, let no dog bark.” … Here is a true description of ministers not a few: ‘They love the chief places at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, and the salutations in the market-place, and to be called of men, Rabbi."

“In the realm of parish administration, a puffed-up shepherd exhibits symptoms which have been often deplored. He resents all divergence from his opinions. Men who do not agree with him are set down as his foes. He treats them as traitors to the cause of truth. All who will not carry out his wishes have the mark of the beast. He is irritated by the least opposition. He is mortified by the failure of a single plan. Any independence of thought he considers a personal affront."

Don and Ange say,

Does this sound like anyone you know?  To us all these negative traits being condemned by non-ntcc Christians are most often exhibited by the ntcc borg 'leaders' such as davis and kekel.

For example:

"No other man, but the retired millionaire, is such a monarch of his day as is the minister." "The order of his going out and coming in is largely at his own discretion."

That really describes the borg 'leaders' like davis and kekel.  Who determines when they go anywhere?  Or who even knows what they do all day?  They sit around all day and make rules that limit you - where you can work,  telling you not to seek promotion or higher education, requiring that you report how much income you make, what hours you can work, how often you have to be in church.  And all the while you have no idea what they are doing, or whether or not they are even in town or just skipping service.  I've seen davis lay out of church plenty of times when he was at the campground and in St. Louis.  Nobody dares to say anything to him about it either because:

"(this) begets in certain types of men a tone of mind which says: “I am Sir Oracle, and when I open my lips, let no dog bark."

You know what we're talking about.  Just try to raise your hand in one of those ntcc bible studies and see what happens.  You will get shot down.  They don't even want you to ask questions about the bible.  You definitely don't want to see their reaction if you question them about there whereabouts of their spending habits.  They are completely unaccountable to you.  They can go where they want, spend what they want, do what they want.  

But they hold the reins on your life.  Your wife can't work.  You can not go to school.  You have to meet every church service and obligation.  They know how much money you make and require you give them one tenth.  But they never prove where that money goes.  They are completely unaccountable to you.

Here is a true description of ministers not a few:  ‘They love the chief places at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, and the salutations in the market-place, and to be called of men, Rabbi." 

Taken from the scripture, the quoted material is speaking of hypocrites who require you to save them the best seats in the church, like on the altar, or front pew, and demand you call them a title like Pastor.  Hmmn.  Sounding familiar yet?  As if that doesn't paint a clear picture of the ntcc, this next paragraph does even more so:

“In the realm of parish administration, a puffed-up shepherd exhibits symptoms which have been often deplored. He resents all divergence from his opinions. Men who do not agree with him are set down as his foes.  He treats them as traitors to the cause of truth. All who will not carry out his wishes have the mark of the beast. He is irritated by the least opposition. He is mortified by the failure of a single plan. Any independence of thought he considers a personal affront."

WOW.  That so describes kekel and davis.  Listen to kekel's own crazy description of anyone who no longer attends ntcc.  kekel said,

"I consider them my enemies!" -- m c kekel "

HELLO!

The whole article that kekel strung together really condemns him.  Of course, he tries to pitchfork his condemnation off onto the Xers, stating that the material he's quoting:

"It reveals the thinking behind people who leave and rise up against people they once revered." m c kekel, ntcc CEO

Really, mike?  This entire writing screams out to that part of one's brain that houses common sense and logic. I wish that I had gone straight to the ntcc bible school and taken this bs class 27 years ago. I would have seen the ntcc leadership for the hypocrites they are and left, instead of ruining the last 27 years of my life. We think your blog smog more clearly reveals your own twisted heart thus:

"It reveals the hypocrisy of those who are highly revered towards people that leave because they disagree with ntcc doctrines!" 

or, as kekel stated, "I consider them my enemies!"  WOW!

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A) Sounds Like A True Description of ntcc.
B) ntcc Sounds Like A Cult.
C) I Read This Post.
D) kekel sounds bitter and hateful.
E) kekel is pitchforking.
F) I'm afraid to get caught commenting on this blog.
G) Glad To Be Out of ntcc!
H) I've seen kekel, davis, and many other ntcc preachers act like that proud, "I AM SIR ORACLE" spirit. That's why they don't allow anyone to disagree with them or even question them.
I) I'm Thinking Of Leaving ntcc.
J) Create Your Own
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NTCC Lies and Broken Promises from Deborah's Witness

February 5, 1997

Letter of Dispatch
Letter of Support

Re: Greg T. S.
508-1 Sang Yon Dong
P.O. Box 19
Tongduchun
Republic Of Korea

To Whom concerned,

This is to certify that Rev. Greg T. S. is an ordained minister in good standing with the New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. This is to further certify that Rev. Greg T. S. has been granted an appointment to Korea that he may serve as a Pastor and spiritual director of U.S. servicemen. His role as a servicemen’s director consists of providing a place of spiritual fellowship and relaxation, etc. for US servicemen. Also, New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. will be responsible for the financial support of Rev. and Mrs. Greg T. S. during their stay in Korea to include all expenses that relate to their meals and lodging.

Thanking you for your help and cooperation in this matter.

Sincerely,
//Signed//
J.R. Ashmore (Secretary)

Here’s the link to the original.

COMMENTS: I did not become an ordained minister until 2006. We never receive the promised financial support (yes, we asked).

We had to pay for all the mandatory conferences, and make up all the difference in the church bills. Again…Yes, I did ask for money from HQ (one time), citing this letter as authorization. We were told (by Rev. Olson) if the bills weren’t paid we would be replaced (or in his words...if you can’t pay the bills, your replacement will be bringing the check); this letter was just a formality to get us into the country (along with our visa, which was tourist). We had only been in Korea 6 months by this time.

Previous to this, Deborah and I were pastoring a self supporting work, we did not have to work secular jobs, liked where we were at, had brothers living in the home, and had only been there (Leesville) 9 months. Before we arrived in Korea this first time, we were told by Pastor Davis the work in Korea was self supporting, we wouldn’t have to work a secular job, and the Korean church had a sizable congregation; with brothers living in the home.

When we arrived, I was told by Rev. Stevens I had to get a secular job; that this was approved and encouraged by Rev. Olson. When I called Rev. Olson about this, he confirmed.

Rev. Stevens was in a hurry to do changeover/sign the books over to me (the day after we got there), but after we started some things didn’t add up (more on this later). At changeover about a week later the general fund had about $23 in it, with no escrow fund. The work was not self supporting, had a small congregation (less than 20), and no one was living in the servicemen’s home. I also did not get my pastor salary the entire time we were there.

The budget for this work, during this time (1997-2001), averaged about $5,000 per month year round.

Rev. Steven’s also told us it would be a good idea for Deborah to get a job (like his wife had), so we would have the additional money that was needed, and that HQ approved of this. I called Rev. Olson; he confirmed, and told me sometimes certain things were necessary in the work of the Lord. I resisted having Deborah work for as long as I could, but after our request to NTCC for money was denied, she got a job.

Please note: Rev. Olson assured me Pastor Davis knew and approved of all this. Rev. Stevens assured me Rev. Olson knew and approved of all this. Also, Rev. and Sis. MacDonald encouraged my wife and I in Deborah getting a job with the same company Sis. MacDonald (and Sis. Stevens) worked for each time they have been in Korea.

There are many more details to this account but this will do for now.

In His Service,

Gregory

[link to this article on Deb and Greg's blog.]

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A) Sounds Like a True Description of ntcc

B) Sounds Like ntcc is a Cult

C) I Read It

D) ntcc lied about supporting Greg and Deb financially. ntcc lied to the Korean government about Deb and Greg being "tourists". ntcc is dAVIS and oLSON and aSHMORE in this true story TELLING LIES.

E) ntcc is designed to make a few families at the top very rich while the majority of workers live sacrifice and poverty only to be threatened by ntcc 'leaders' who have been lying to them. !??!

F) Create Your Own "F" ntcc 'leaders' don't keep the rules they make for others to keep. That is a double-standard and is wrong, just like the Pharisees/scribes/and hypocrites Jesus reproached telling us "They SAY and DO NOT." (ALL TALK, NO WALK)!

G) Glad To Be Out of ntcc

H) Create Your Own "H" ntcc should have to PROVE where ALL the (Mission Fund) money they collect goes. They say they are honest. We say PROVE IT or be found liars!

I) I'm Thinking Of Leaving ntcc

J) Create Your Own

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Today's Subject: All are Welcome!

Come Into My Parlor ...

... Said The Spyder To The Fly ...

At ntcc I'm sure you've heard the expression:

"All are welcome"

While this is a catch phrase ntcc uses to allure people out to their cult meetings, it is actually a true statement.  They do welcome all to their cult meetings.  They welcome all so they can blast all.  At ntcc the doors are open to all; but if you don't like the preaching, "Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you!" ...

Most of what I've seen in my years of servitude in the servicemen's homes was that many of the pastors would run people off before they ever got a chance to consider being saved.  The ntcc preacher would preach salvation through one side of his mouth, holiness through the other side of his mouth while making it personal by scowling and growling, then using his fingers to point at folks, while glaring with his eyes to make them feel more uncomfortable.  All this on top of the conviction of the Holy Ghost.  It's a wonder any of us ever got saved.

Let's take a closer look at who's welcome and who is not. 

WELCOME:

1.  Saved - definition varies from pastor to pastor.

2.  Tithe payer.

3.  Gives in all offerings.

4.  Men must dress like dorks in wingtips, white shirts, and polyester slacks.

5.  Women must wear dresses, skirts and scarves.

6.  Women are made to wear wigs if their natural hear is too short or sloppy for ntcc standards.

7.   Men and Women must attend all sevices and events.

8.  Men and Women that shout AMEN and PREACH to everything the preacher says are always welcome.

NOT WELCOME:

1.  Unsaved after their 1st service.

2.  Those who don't pay tithe.

3.  Those who don't give in offerings.

4.   Men who wear shorts, jeans, t-shirts, tight clothing, or if they look too cool.

5.   Men who are not clean shaven.

6.   Men with tattoos that show, piercings or long hair.

7.   Women with short hair.

8.   Women wearing pants, shorts and tight clothing.

9.   Women that believe they are to be treated equal to men.

10. Women and men that disagree with anything that comes accross the pulpit.

11. Women that are called to do something other than wash dishes and cook.

12. Women that wear make-up.

13. Men who wear double-breasted suits.

14. Those who have televisions, unless they are used to advertise for church.

15.  No child molesters unless they are a future board member  fondling the founder's daughter, or are on a double date with him doing the same, or if it is the founder himself fondling a young girl, or if he runs the print shop, or works in the office for rodger w. davis.

16.  Children that "hinder the work of Gawd".

Do you get the picture here?  Now I'm not saying that ntcc preachers always blast people on these points from behind the pulpit; but these are some of the do's and dont's that will eventually get you an invitation to leave the org. if they are not adhered to.  While you might not be blasted on all of these items from behind the pulpit you will be made to feel unwelcome.  ntcc knows that if they can make people feel unwelcome those folks  won't come back.

The emphasis in ntcc is placed more on the standards than it is on the Love of Christ.  

There is however one subject that will always without fail get you blasted from behind the pulpit and that is not paying tithe or giving in offerings.  If ntcc pastors were to spend their time behind the pulpit preaching the love of God and lifting up Christ rather than coming across like a snake oil salesmen after your money, they would get more people to stay and give willingly; and their churches would prosper. 

I remember there was this older guy that used to come out to the servicemen's home in Ft. Bragg and give large amounts of money in the offerings; and he would bring hundreds of one dollar bills and give them out to the brethren.  He was allowed to hang around inspite of the fact that he didn't conform to any of the ntcc standards other than the money flow standards.  He hung around through 3 pastor's and even showed up at a conference at Holly Hills and was praised by rwd from behind the pulpit.  It turned out that this man was a homosexual that was attracted to the young men at the servicemen's home and was finally run off after it was reported that he physically tried to get into the pants of one of the servicemen; but this advance was refused; and the man was outed by the shocked soldier.

As for # 15 on the list of dont's I would like to leave the following disclaimer.  While I believe it happened and that the eye wittness accounts are reliable, I havn't seen irrefutable evidence that proves it actually happened.  I will say this however.  At ntcc we are expected to "abstain from the very appearence of evil".  We are also taught and preached to about how important our testimony is.  We do not go into bars because we don't want to damage our testimony.  What is the ntcc leadership thinking?  In most states this is called statutory rape and is punishable by a prison sentence.  This just shows the arrogance and the double standard that the leadership of ntcc lives by.  Did kekel and teenya have to go sit on the wall after asking permission to speak from rwd?  No?  Surely they were not allowed to be alone where they would be tempted to feel each other up?  But that is what happened.  Hmmn.   I'm sure, being the examples of beleiver's that they claim to be, that they would not do anything to bring shame on the work of God...  Would they?  But they did bring shame and refused to repent.  They probably did worse than all their peers who allegedly made the rules.  I'm sure they have always felt the rules do not apply to them.

Wow, I wonder what would happen if Christians were trusted to make their own decisions regarding dating and relationships.  What would happen if Christians were trusted to guard their own testimonies or to "work out your own salvation"?  I wonder if there would be more joy in the ntcc Christians' lives and if they would be more productive.

I've often heard preachers at ntcc say," I've never seen a Charismatic get saved.  I've never seen a person from a certain ethnic group get saved.  I've never seen a homosexual get saved."  I believe this may be true; they have never seen it; because they don't believe it will happen.  I believe that none of these have a chance in the ntcc; because they are so quickly run off.  How can they get saved if they are hated and run out of the church?  Is the blood of Christ not powerful enough to save a homosexual or a Charismatic or a Puerto Rican or any other group that's "hard to save"?  Maybe it's because ntcc has passed all of these groups off as reprobates; or maybe it's because they are not good tithers.  How can they repent if they are not brought to the foot of the Cross?

Next time you see an ntcc church flyer or T.V. ad, or hear an ntcc soul winner or pastor say that all are welcome, believe them.  They will shake your hand before and after church service.  They will not refuse your money.  But if you are looking for a church that will allow God to move in your life, you would be better served by going to an online e-church service where at least you don't have to worry about getting germs from a phony hand-shake.