Rules for Fools

Once upon a time there was a salesman turned preacher named R-dub, aka rodger wilson davis. R-dub was part of an organization called Pentecostal Church of God. As the story goes, R-dub had a little problem with the rules, mainly the "Thou shalt not commit adultery rule." Rules are made to be broken; or so we have heard; and R-dub decided to fold up his circus tent and take his show somewhere else. Why should HE have to follow someone else's rules?

So R-dub got a wild hair and decided to pedal his gospel under his own banner.  Why follow somebody else's rules when you can make up your own and keep all the profits?  R-dub is as wise as a serpent and as subtle as one too!  [Gen. 3:1]  He found his own angle and developed a grande sales scheme to become rich beyond his wildest dreams.  To pull this off, he would have to surround himself by only the most loyal suck-ups and yes-men that he could find.  To do this he would have to make up some controlling rules and have a litmus test to see who would be loyal to him and who would follow him with unquestioning loyalty and unwavering servitude.

 Obey the MOG
 OR ELSE !!!
 See Rule #1 

The rules that R-dub would institute would have to be masked by Christianity; and people would have to believe that these rules were not his; but that they came from God above.  In order to pull this scam off, R-dub would first need to pass as a deity himself.  Jesus, the True God, is known as the Son of man.  So R-dub would have to be the next best thing:   the man of God (or MOG).  Not only did davis need to be respected and revered; but he needed the praises and worship of men.  This was a very tall order and to pull it off R-dub created Rules for Fools.

Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane,

1 Tim 1:9(p)

The first and most important rule that was necessary was the "Any thing with two heads is a freak" rule.  It was of utmost importance that everyone understood that R-dub and R-dub alone was in charge.  His voice was to be God's voice.  He was to be our Moses;  and we all were to be 'God's chosen' wandering around in the wilderness for forty years.  For every rule to be followed there was a need for supporting scripture to make that rule seem like it came from God.  The "Obey them that have rule over you" scripture was stretched to its limits and twisted to fit every situation where there was no other scripture that could justify control in the life of a fool.  This is all we were to them:  fools with, in tanya kekel's words, "strong backs, but weak minds".

Another scripture that really came in handy was the "touch not mine anointed" line; which not only was taken out of context, but it was a great tool to instill fear into the hearts of R-dub's followers.  Then there was the "you can not serve two masters at the same time" scripture that was used to ensure nobody else would over rule davis.

Now that R-dub's empire was growing and he had a small group of rag-tag loyalists to follow his every whim and crack of the whip, he needed to create more loyal followers to accomplish his ultimate goal which was:  You guessed it!!!! To bring in Money!!!!  This was accomplished by opening the "School of Rules for Fools" otherwise known as the New Testament Christian Seminary (ntcs), or bible school (bs), or cemetery (oops) seminary, or whatever you prefer to call it.  Now they had a place to indoctrinate or brainwash people into believing that this whole scam was of God.  This was accomplished through three techniques:  Psychological Misdirection, Cognitive Illusions and Mental Forcing.  These three ideas are found in Magic acts and are used in Circuses to get people to think they are witnessing a miracle when they are actually being forced into believing an illusion.

Psychological misdirection involves tricking people into fixating on something big in order to make other details seem less important or trivial.   In the spiritual realm a cult leader will emphasize heaven and hell while he slips in a rule.  Have any of you ever experienced this before?  Let's do a little preaching here to demonstrate this principle:  WHAT SHALL IT PROFIT IF A MAN SHALL GAIN THE WORLD AND LOSE HIS OWN SOUL?  IS IT WORTH ONE NIGHT IN THE SACK WITH A PROSTITUTE TO MISS OUT ON HEAVEN?  IS IT WORTH ONE MORE DRINK? IS IT WORTH TELLING A LIE?  WOULD YOU CHOSE TO LET YOUR FAMILY MAKE THIS DECISION FOR YOU?  SOME PEOPLE WILL ALLOW THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS TO INFLUENCE THEM TO STOP SERVING GOD.  YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO SOUL WINNING EVERY NIGHT; YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO PRAYER MEETINGS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO OBEY THE MAN OF GOD TO GO TO HEAVEN. HELL IS FULL OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE LISTENED TO THE ADVICE OF THEIR FAMILIES.  JESUS SAID, "AND EVERYONE THAT HATH FORSAKEN HOUSES, OR BRETHREN, OR SISTERS, OR FATHER, OR MOTHER, OR WIFE, OR CHILDREN, OR LANDS, FOR MY NAMES SAKE SHALL RECEIVE AN HUNDRED FOLD, AND SHALL INHERIT EVERLASTING LIFE.  MAT 19:29  SOME PEOPLE NEED TO CUT THE UMBILICAL CORD.  MAMA AIN'T GOING TO GET YOU TO HEAVEN.  ONLY JESUS CAN GET YOU TO HEAVEN. YOU GOTTA LOVE HIM MORE THAN MAMA; YOU GOTTA LOVE HIM MORE THAN PAPA, YOU GOTTA LOVE HIM MORE THAN SISTER OR BROTHER OR YOUR BEST FRIEND OR YOU WILL SPLIT HELL WIDE OPEN.

Can anyone shout amen?  Let's break this down.  What is actually being accomplished by this preaching?  First of all scriptures are being manipulated to create an illusion.  We are not disputing that God has to be first in your life but come on.  If you take Mat 19:29 to the extreme, you would never be allowed to live in a house or to own property or to communicate with your family members.  In the above preaching excerpt the idea is to take your mind off of the rules and make you fear eternal damnation.  When people hear this kind of preaching, it causes them to do a few things.  It justifies everything they have been doing and takes their mind off of things they should be thinking about.  It causes them to stay so busy soul winning and praying and reading and attending functions and services that they don't realize or question the double standards that are right in front of them:  How the person screaming at them from the pulpit does not 'go soulwinning' and does visit his 'sinner' family.  These pulpit bullies are Pharisees who "say and do not".  They are hypocrites who tell you to live one way, while they live a different way.  They condemn you for even wanting to enjoy the simple things in life like friends and family; yet they take the time to enjoy friends and family.  They tell you not to own a house; yet they own multiple houses.  Could it be they just want to keep you as a renter in their condemned property?  They have used religion to control you for their private benefit.

Cognitive Illusions are then used to convince people that what they are a part of is the 'move of God' and not man.  In the ntcc an illusion is created that God can only be found there.  Every other religion is wrong; and if you ask an ntcc preacher they will tell you that every other doctrine is a fallacy except for theirs.  Just as any other cult will use scriptures to disprove other denominations, it is no different with the ntcc.  In the ntcc you will find that people are moved by emotion.  Emotion is the oil that lubricates the machine.  They are masters at bringing out the emotions in people.  I am no exception.  I am very emotional and I can cry when reading my bible.  The bible is full of compelling stories that can pull on your heart strings and jerk tears right out of you.  When these ntcc preachers or illusionists take stories in the bible that cause you to get emotional, you focus on only those things that you are feeling.  You don't look at anything that is wrong; and you don't ask questions.  An emotional atmosphere is created where people are totally dependent on feelings.  I've seen some crazy stuff take place around the altar at ntcc services; because the preacher created an illusion that fed off of the emotions of people.  A lot of this emotion is sincere and comes from the heart; but it is used to keep people from seeing what is obvious.  They are in a cult and don't know it.

The easiest way to snap out of this emotional roller coaster ride is to follow the money trail.  People refuse to do this in the ntcc because the emotional feelings are what they rely on to justify the investment they have made into the ntcc.  A huge illusion has been created and people can not see what is really going on right before their eyes.

Cognitive Illusion:  Color Changing Card Trick:  Video Link


Mental forcing is the final tactic the ntcc magicians use to get you to believe that you are following them of your own free will.  I can't emphasize how important it is for you to believe that you are following the leaders of the ntcc of your own free will.  Mental forcing is a mind control technique that has been used by leaders of countries and religions for years to force people to do what those leaders want the people to do by making the people believe their actions are results of their own decisions; and their choices are made of their own free will.  How many times have you heard the expression, "You are a free moral agent"?  What's really being said here:  'We aren't going to force you to serve God; you have to make that decision for yourself.  However, we are going to imply that serving God our  way is the only  way.  We are going to subtly slip in some control parameters to keep you in line; which will control you for as long as you will allow.'

For the ntcc this is done for money and power.  At the very top of the food chain in the ntcc you will find greed, double standards, and hypocrisy.  To make this possible you have been manipulated and lied to.  You are nothing more than a fool to R-dub and those he has surrounded himself with.  The ntcc relies on your gullibility to keep their illusions in place.  The internet is exposing ntcc for what they really are.  How does it feel to be played as a fool for decades of your life?  It's a betrayal that cuts so deep and hurts so many.  It's not all about Jesus.  It's not about souls or going to heaven.

 Sign Before Reading! 

When I attended the ntcc bible school, students were required to sign a paper stating they would obey all the rules, BEFORE they even know what the rules are that they are promising to obey.  Sounds like rules for fools.  But that is how it is in the ntcc:
It's all about a bunch of rules for a bunch of fools.   Let's isolate these fools from the rest of society so we can take their money. They will think they are giving it freely.

 The fool hath said
 in his heart,
 [There is]
 no God. 

Let's make these fools think they are the only ones going to heaven; so they will think there is no other way to make it to heaven outside of the ntcc.  Let's teach them to 'touch not mine anointed'; so they will never say anything bad about us after we use them up and kick them to the curb.
We will make them feel  worthless if they leave the ntcc. We will get them to believe it is their fault, that they are no longer serving God.  We will make them feel  that without us they are nothing, they have nothing, they will never amount to anything without us; they will depend on us for everything, or they will be fools without us. They will amount to nothing if they leave us; they will be big Zeros in life; and they will have nothing set aside to succeed in life; because we have taken everything from them.

 If You Really
 Love God,
 You Would ... 

We have done this all under the guise of Christianity. We will make them feel like it is a sin to attend a wedding or a funeral for a family member. We will tell them how to dress, what to eat, who to visit, and with whom they may  keep company.

We will keep information from them so they remain fools for our cause.  We can't be transparent with our money; or they will know we are playing them for fools; so we will keep their noses out of our business by making them think  that the money they give actually goes to reach souls for Christ.  We will keep them under subjection by making them feel  like fools if they step out of line.  We will treat them like fools if they question us.  We will humiliate them openly from behind the pulpit if they break our rules.  We are the ntcc leaders and we have come up with an ultimate scheme to make us rich and unaccountable to anyone.   We will use the Gospel of Jesus Christ; and we will seek out and find the fools of this world.  We will prey upon the foolish; and we will become rich doing it.

 See then that ye walk circumspectly,
 not as fools, but as wise, Eph 5:15 

If you think all of this sounds far fetched; and you wish to keep allowing these magicians and salesmen to control every aspect of your life, then it would be so easy for you to write us off as the fools and to continue in the direction that you have been convinced is best for you.  We implore you to take a closer look at what you are involved in.  Common sense and human decency begs you to take a closer look at what choices you have made and what you are getting other people involved in.  You say "If this is crazy, let me stay crazy".  Put aside all the cult jargon and compare what you are doing in the ntcc with the bible and with what Jesus did.  Are you a fool for Christ or a fool for the ntcc?

The Only Good Cat, Is A Dead Cat: Part Two of the ntcc No Pet Rule Now Called a 'Policy'

 "The only GOOD cat is a DEAD cat!" --r w davis 

I have to confess that for years I subscribed to this idiotic mantra, cringing at the mere thought of cats, yelling "Amen!" when davis 'preached' against these fuzzy four-footed creatures, adding my story of a vindictive cat waiting under the bed to scratch my ankles for a previous accidental encounter with its tail under my foot.  Now I look back at all this and wonder; "What do pets have to do with the gospel of Jesus Christ?"  The answer, of course, is nothing.  Pets have nothing to do with the gospel of Christ.  And neither does r w davis.  davis just used the gospel of Christ to cull a group of "loyal" = "tithe-paying" followers.  And 'preaching' about pets has everything to do with following.  It is just one more control mechanism, one more gauge to test davis' disciples' loyalty to their fearful leader.

Davis would love for you to flip the switch!

davis used to get his followers all "whipped-up" (see above picture) shouting about such no-pet nonsense from the pulpit, letting people know where their loyalty had better be with commanding statements like, "Don't invite me to your house if you have a cat; I won't come." He would stand there with an impudent thrust of the chin and raised eyebrow, with a slight turn of the head, glaring down at the crowd to see who is showing wide-eyed fear and shaking their heads no, silently bringing themselves once again into subjection to this tyrant davis, as if to say, "Oh no, Pastor; we won't have any pets.  Please, please, please come to our house.  We want to be next week's pulpit fodder when you blast us from on high for serving you that 'pine-bark junk' instead of your favorite coffee and mistakenly roasting a beef when you only want pork."   Could this fascination with pork, the other 'white' meat be a subliminal problem davis has with anyone or anything that isn't 'white'?

Then the 'preaching' would continue:

"You know; cats carry more diseases than any other creature!"  Another volley of "Amens" would rise from the faithful, mothers would shudder and draw their children closer, fathers would make a mental note to go to the pound with 'Whiskers' right after service, and single brothers would pray for "the opportunity" to send any stray to meet its Maker, dispatching them by crossing that white line on the side of the road or (crossing another line, the line of common decency) by drowning them in a sack tossed over the bridge, callously ignoring little kitten mews for mercy; the davis disciple throwing his shoulders back to shrug off conviction, leaning his head back to laugh, congratulating himself that this deed, when shared boastfully at the 'fellowhip' table, would somehow bring him closer to the one he admires and wants to be, 'pastor' davis.  Let's all bow in reverence to a man.  Ahem.  Idolaters!

You think we are making this up?

Think again.  It's been discussed at length in other blog posts at other times:

Related stories:

1)  Scat Cat! on Jeff's blog:

http://truestoriesoflifeinthentcc.blogspot.com/2010/05/first-cat-picture-is-dude-who-just.html

"Jeff said...
The practice of hating and KILLING cats was "taught and advocated" by the NTCC hence fitting the dictionary definition of the word "doctrine". I can emphatically state that as fact while quantifying my stance.
One very respected and highly regarded NTCC pastor personally told me the he and other brothers would drown cats in a well of water. He laughed about this fact quite gleefully."

2)  ntcc:  Cult or not? on Jeff's blog:

http://truestoriesoflifeinthentcc.blogspot.com/2009/05/ntcc-cult-or-not-are-there-any-churches.html

The NTCC is a church which is full of little Kitty Cat haters. They think that Cats are evil.

3)  Kill 'em All:  r w davis' stance / No Pet Rule now called a policy:
http://ntccxerblog.blogspot.com/2011/02/kill-em-all-rodger-w-davis-stance-on.html

 WHY SHOOT 2 DOGS AND 

AXE-OFF PUPPIES HEADS? 
 ASK RODGER W. DAVIS
 THOSE WERE HIS ORDERS. 

A look at animal abuse as a prelude to 

and an indicator of other abuse:

"without natural affection"

As you read these articles and watch the video below, ask yourself what is davis really teaching and why does he teach it?  Don't davis doctrines harm the gospel while doing everything to lift up a man as a ruler over all who sit before his pulpit?  Decide for yourself.

Cute Kittens Fly In Slow Motion To Hip Hop Dubstep *no kittens were hurt* ^_^

Cat Mom Hugs Baby Kitten: Watch On YouTube

"Kill 'em All!" -- rodger w. davis' stance on puppies: Part One of the NTCC No-Pet Rule, Now Called a 'Policy'

 WHY SHOOT 2 DOGS AND AXE-OFF  PUPPIES' HEADS?
 ASK RODGER W. DAVIS.
 THOSE WERE HIS ORDERS. 

Five Adorable Puppies Watch Below or on YouTube

Isn't this one of the cutest videos you've ever seen?  Puppies are just precious!

But to strange minds like rodger w. davis...  puppies and German Shepherds are things to kill...

Wendy and Lion were two beautiful German Shepherds owned by michael c. kekel and rodger w. davis. These two dogs came from the same litter. They loved to jump the fence that separated them and go play together. davis ordered elliot f. gesang to kill these dogs. So elliot f. gesang took Wendy and Lion out in the woods and shot them dead.

Could you kill an innocent pup like the one in the following video?

Beagle Puppy Howl Watch Below or on YouTube

In a separate incident rodger w. davis ordered another minister to take a whole litter of puppies and chop off their heads with an axe; the other minister did so, crying.

Child abusers torture animals in front of kids to terrify them, sending them the message: "You're next!"

Serial murderers start with killing animals; they say they do this "To see what it feels like to kill something."

It's all about control / domination -- perverse pleasure at killing innocents [puppies] and innocence [the trust you had in that power monger who orchestrated this test of your loyalty to him to see if you would break your own code of decency and ethics to be obedient (subservient) to him.]...

It's no joke.  davis is sick.  He wants to break you; so he can run your life in order to profit ($$$) himself.  Dead puppies?  You gotta be kidding us!  When we see puppies we think, "Oh, so cute!  They need shelter and food.  Let us take you home and love you!"

When davis sees puppies he sees $$$ leaving his wallet.  That is intolerable to a man whose god is the 'almighty dollar'.  He uses these puppies for his gain.  "Kill 'em all" and I will know that you will fall on your sword for me...

Sick.  Sick.  Sick.

Golden Retriever Puppies  Watch Below Or On YouTube


A righteous [man] regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked [are] cruel.
Prov. 12:10

Once again we see rodger w. davis' actions placing him on the wrong side of the Word of God.  Could you kill these innocents to please r w davis?  Why?  The bible clearly states that the righteous man regardeth THE LIFE of his beast.  The righteous man does not randomly slay innocent puppies for perverse pleasure!  davis has shown that he is wicked, his tender mercies [are] cruel.  Why stay and be part of a group run by a "wicked" man with "cruel tender mercies"?

Related posts:

The Only Good Cat, Is a Dead Cat:  Part Two Of the ntcc "No Pet Rule" Now Called a Policy

Mobile Format Series "Kill Them All"

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Letters From the Past

While assigned to the 3rd MI Battalion in Camp Humphries Korea, I received this Letter from Mom and Pop Gaylord dated March 1, 1989.

Dear Brother,

Greetings in the Wonderful name of Jesus! He is truly wonderful.

Thank you for your letter. We were glad to hear from you and was glad for the time we were with you in Korea. We really enjoyed ourselves.

Marie is here for Bible School and it was good to see her again. She talked to Pop and I about your plans. Marie and Pop talked to brother Davis about going back over there and getting married, and working with Bro. Barnes in a Servicemen's Home. Bro. Davis didn't approve of her going back over there for that reason, because Bro. Barnes will be leaving in about six months, and he wouldn't want him to start a Servicemen's Home, as he doesn't have anyone to replace him. We are really short of trained people.

Bro. Davis told Marie she could go to Bible School if she wanted to but we don't know if she is enrolled yet or not. We haven't seen her since Sun. night as there haven't been any services. We'll see her tomorrow night.

As far as you and her getting married, Bro. Davis, Bro. Barnes nor Pop have nothing to say about you and Marie marrying; that is between you and her and the Lord.

Pop put in a good recommendation for you to go to Bible School but it is wholly up to Bro. Davis who enrolls.

You pray, and before it is time for you to reenlist or get out, contact Bro. Davis and let him know your desires. God knows.

Write us whenever you want. God Bless you.

Love + prayers

Mom and Pop Gaylord
P.O. Box 629
Graham, Wa 98338

Mom and Pop Gaylord's letter to Don, Page 1

Mom and Pop Gaylord's letter to Don, Page 2

Mom and Pop Gaylord's letter to Don, Page 3

I came across this and many other gems while going through all my stuff. After reading this letter, it really verified that I had been in a cult for many years. If a normal person, (one that hadn't been brainwashed by the ntcc) had read this letter, there would be all kinds of red flags going up. Cult Alert, Cult Alert!!!!! This may seem like normal everyday life to a cult member, but it is anything but normal if you are the one on the receiving end of the ntcc's manipulation. This is just one out of 3 times that I was done wrong by the ntcc, and it's cult leadership in regards to relationships. If you ever wonder why I emphasize the "Celibacy Policy" this and other instances of relationship manipulation may clue you into the reason why. I am going to break this letter down to make it plain and simple for others to see why we expose the ntcc daily for being a cult; and you can decide for yourself who is right.

This letter is in response to a letter that I wrote to Mom and Pop after meeting Marie in Korea and discussing marriage with her. We wanted to marry in Korea; but she, like others, was "Called" to go to the New Testament Christian Seminary in Graham, WA. Since she could not disobey her "calling" she decided to go to bible school and return to Korea as soon as possible so we could get married. She thought she could get a some time in training and return as a worker to Korea and help build a Servicemen's Home and Church in Korea. We are not going to mention Marie's last name because it is not my intention to invade her privacy. She did nothing wrong in this debacle. To place this in its proper perspective we have to mention that Marie had spoken to her pastor first in Korea; and he discouraged us getting married; because of the ntcc's strict celibacy policy.

"Marie is here for Bible School and it was good to see her again. She talked to Pop and I about your plans. Marie and Pop talked to brother Davis about going back over there and getting married, and working with Bro. Barnes in a Servicemen's Home." - Here we have a woman in the ntcc that wants to get married and Mom and Pop in the middle trying to help me. Pop actually talked with rwd and Marie to try to work something out but; rwd was not interested in our desires at the time.

Bro. Davis didn't approve of her going back over there for that reason - I wonder if davis, the man that "never missed the Holy Ghost", prayed about this decision; or if he just thought that he was so cozy with God that he didn't need to pray about this? It's okay to manipulate people if you are a cult leader. There is no forethought that goes into the decision making process when other people's lives are involved.

"Bro. Davis didn't approve of her going back over there for that reason, because Bro. Barnes will be leaving in about six months, and he wouldn't want him to start a Servicemen's Home, as he doesn't have anyone to replace him. We are really short of trained people." - That's a convenient excuse considering that Barnes DID start a Servicemen's Home there with my help. And we had four brothers living in the home when, a few short months later, the Wrights were on their way over to take over this work. I was under the impression that rwd "never missed God"; but I guess here we have an example of one of those rare occasions where rwd missed God! Unless you consider him to be a cult leader... then you would have to concede that none of this mess had anything to do with God!

As far as you and her getting married, Bro. Davis, Bro. Barnes nor Pop have nothing to say about you and Marie marryinig; that is between you and her and the Lord. - Standard cult jargon or a disclaimer to release the ntcc from any responsibility of destroying a relationship. If you think that this statement is true, than I have some swamp land on Pikes Peak I'd like to sell you. Davis had a lot to say about it. Do you think that if Marie had disregarded his advice and came back to Korea to marry me that everything would have been hunky dory between Marie and rwd? She was to be farmed out to a preacher.
Meanwhile, I was back in Korea working my tail off trying to get a servicemen's home started. We had a servicemen's home started before the Wrights even got over there. I helped build it (by filling it with tithe and home offering payers) and we had four people living in it before it was taken over.

Pop put in a good recommendation for you to go to Bible School but it is wholly up to Bro. Davis who enrolls.

You pray, and before it is time for you to reenlist or get out, contact Bro. Davis and let him know your desires. God knows. - Much has been said about my reasons for not going to bible school but in the end, I am glad that I never went. If Mom and Pop couldn't influence rwd to allow me to go to bs than it just wasn't meant to happen. I've had losers from the ntcc come on my face book page and tell me that I didn't go because I wanted to stay in the Army. Well guess what? When I came up for re-enlistment, rodger wilson davis was in Colorado Springs destroying another relationship that I was involved in. At the time I was in love with one lady, Angela; and I asked rwd if I could attend bible school and was shot down, and told how much God could use me in the military. I was an E-6 with 7 years in service. She however was encouraged to leave our relationship and go to bs to become an unaccredited preacher's wife. You be the judge. Is there a difference in being encouraged and being told or manipulated? Is there a difference in disobeying an admonishment from the Cult Leader or disobeying a direct order from the so called "man of God"?

Is there any doubt that the ntcc is a cult? Does all this seem like normal behavior for a normal church and it's normal leaders? Does any of this seem Christlike? The bible says, "Forbid not to marry". Once again davis's actions put him on the wrong side of the word of God.

Vote Anonymously On This Post By Clicking On The Lettered Boxes Below:
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D) Mom Gaylord probably meant it when she said who you marry is up to you and her and God; but davis makes rules that control who gets married.
E) The Bible says to "Forbid not to marry."... So it was wrong for ntcc to manipulate relationships to stop people from marrying just because one person goes to the ntcc bible school and the other person does not.
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G) Glad To Be Out of ntcc
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I) I'm Thinking Of Leaving ntcc
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The Celibacy Policy or "Forbidding To Marry"

Part 2:  The Celibacy Policy or "Forbidding To Marry"

Part 1:  My Life And Times With ntcc:  or "Why I Left The ntcc"

Part 3:  Homosexual 'Pastors' In The ntcc; Names Included

Part 4:  Nichelle Tieman's Adultery and Lying:  NOT_Overseer Material

During our years as members of the cult called ntcc, there were many doctrines preached and rules enforced that we went along with out of fear and misunderstanding. Now years later we find that many of the teachings of the ntcc rules are not backed by scripture; but we and many others followed and obeyed these teachings out of fear and misguided zeal for what we thought was "the only true doctrine in the land".

The leaders, pastors, and board members would subtly introduce these rules [now claimed to be 'policies']  at times while preaching salvation; and other times they would boldly preach these rules as scripture, with reckless abandon, not concerned with whom they hurt, or whom they ran off. There is a sickness in the ntcc and among its leadership that compels them to preach Christ crucified and get people genuinely saved and hungering for God; only so that they can indoctrinate them with control policies; and shape them into what best suits ntcc purposes. The #1 goal of r w davis is to convert servants of Christ into servants of RWD. The biggest mistake that we as Christians made in the ntcc is thinking that because we were saved while attending the ntcc, that the ntcc had to be right in their doctrine and 'policies'. "If God saved me here, how could they possibly be wrong?" What makes this so perverse is that it's all done because of money.

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Tim 2:15

The #1 goal of r w davis is to convert servants of Christ into servants of RWD.

We are going to compare ntcc's rules, [now called 'policies' and enforced with dire consequences visited on those who don't obey the rules] with the scripture and "rightly divide the word of truth". We also are going to ask for the millionth time if these rules were right all along why are they now being changed and renamed as 'policies'? Is God still the same? Did the Holy Ghost lie to r w davis when he preached these things to us?

The celibacy policy is where the ntcc forbids marriage.

It is the ntcc's doctrine of matchmaking and forcing members to live in celibacy.

We are not advocating fornication or adultery or child molestation like the ntcc does!

Forced Celibacy or Forbidding to Marry by Forbidding Dating Thru Match-Making Rules:
The first policy rule that we are going to look at is the celibacy policy rule where the ntcc forbids marriage. Let's see if we can find some scriptures that support the ntcc's doctrine of matchmaking and forcing members to live in celibacy.

First of all, we are not advocating fornication or adultery or child molestation as is advocated by the ntcc. michael c kekel has never come out and denied his child molestation of tanya davis when she was a young teen [minor/jailbait] and he was in his early twenties [adult/pedophile].  Therefore we believe the witness of Vic Johanson in previous posts on Jeff's blog and this blog. Vic has no reason to lie and MCK has every reason in the world to cover it up.

Here's what the scripture says; now lets honestly try to rightly divide the word of truth as we read:

Now lets honestly try to RIGHTLY divide the word of truth as we read what the scripture says; and, please, no 'private interpretations' or 'secret revelations'...

"Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband." 1 Cor 7:2
"For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that."
"I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I."
"But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn." 1 Cor 7:7-9
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;"
"Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;"
"Forbidding to marry, [and commanding] to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth." 1 Tim 4:1-3

We can find no supporting scripture that justifies what the ntcc has done to many of its members... forbidding single men from talking to single women ... forbidding them to date and thus forbidding them to marry.  That contradicts God's word!

These are just a few scriptures that we have taken five minutes to look up. Rightly dividing these words of truth, we can find no supporting scripture that justifies what the ntcc has done to many of its members. We welcome anyone from the ntcc that can find a scripture without twisting it, that supports their practice of forbidding single men from talking to single women, or forbidding them to date, thereby forbidding them to marry. Please:  no 'private interpretations' or 'secret revelations'.


Let The Dead Bury Their Dead:

While my mother was terminally ill, various ntcc leaders put pressure on me to stay in their works so they would have one faithful tithe payer bringing in more income to their works... They used God as an excuse when they told me that "They had prayed; and God wanted me to help them."

They had no consideration for me or my mother; but instead ntcc's stance was, "Let the dead bury their dead."

In 1989, I was stationed in Camp Humphreys, Korea, and helped Rev. L. C. Barnes start a church. In one short year we had about 30 members; and as Rev. Barnes was getting ready to PCS, ntcc sent Tom and Rachel Wright over to run this servicemen's home. We had about 4 people (including myself) that moved into the home and a handful of tithe payers attending church regularly. I had invited many of the members out to church and was very involved and invested in the work.

In October, I went on leave to attend a conference in the States. While on leave, I visited my parents and found out that my mother had cancer. She asked me if I could stay home with her and help. At first I said no; because I felt that God wanted me in Korea; but only because I was so brainwashed at the time, that I believed the constantly repeated ntcc mantra "let the dead bury their dead" doctrine.

Althouth that is part of the scripture, the ntcc twisted or wrested that scripture.  It was often used by the ntcc to separate people from their families and loved ones just to keep the tithes coming into ntcc coffers.

Mystical Manipulation:  "We Prayed About It.  God Wants You Here."

While at home in Denver, I was attending ntcc services in Colorado Springs and commuting 140 miles round trip just about every day.

1. The Tiemans were in Colorado Springs; and they told me that they had prayed; and God wanted me to help them.
2. I would talk to the Wrights on the phone; and they felt that God wanted me there; and that the home in Korea depended on me. 

Is God double-minded?  No.  Clearly both the Tiemans and the Wrights were using mystical manipulation on me, claiming they had the 'mind of God'.  Rubbish.  They were just using me.

Finally, David Tieman (Sr.) called r. w. davis and told him that the Wrights were pressuring me to go back to Korea; and the Tiemans wanted me to put in for a compassionate reassignment in Colorado. RWD told Tieman to have me "Pray about it." and do what God wanted me to do.  That was davis' way of washing his hands of everyone's attempt to mystically manipulate me into staying with them and paying their bills while blaming God, saying, "We prayed about it; God wants you here."

I eventually made the decision to stay in Colorado Springs; and the Army attached me to Fitzsimons Army Medical Center in Denver, pending compassionate reassignment.  Although this was the easy thing to do at the time, it was a sacrifice; because I really wanted to return to Korea and help the work I had started with Rev. Barnes; but after much pressure from all around, I decided to stay in Colorado.

Sexual Temptation Worsened by the Celibacy Rule Forbidding To Marry:

During this time, Nichelle Tieman began to make sexual advances toward me while David Tieman (Sr.) was locked up in his room, "studying God's word". If ntcc did not have their twisted rule forbidding to marry, I would probably have already been married and living in my own home with my own wife.  But ntcc's celibacy rule had already struck major blows against my attempts to seek a normal marital relationship.

Prior to this, I had been denied by two (2) previous pastor's the "privilege of talking to" two other sisters; simply because they were earmarked for bible school! I was 25 years old and the whole celibacy policy rule was not working for me. I did not have the gift of celibacy that the Apostle Paul was speaking of in I Corinthians, chapter 7.

ntcc's celibacy rule is a direct violation of God's word found here:

1 Cr 7:2  Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

If ntcc did not contradict God's Word and have this twisted doctrine, I would have had my own wife and place to stay; I never would have been around for such temptations.  Instead, I was forced to live in celibacy, in a servicemen's home, where the apparently unfulfilled or insatiable 'pastor's wife' would make constant advances towards me.

Nichelle Tieman would rub up against me inappropriately with her breasts and rear end when nobody was around. I almost committed adultery with her but was convicted after inappropriately touching her one evening. After that night, I started rejecting her sexual advances. One morning she came down to my room in the home and knocked on my door. She said that her husband was at work; and she "wanted to lay with me". I rejected that advance and many others.  I also remember her telling me that she loved another brother; he was a worker named Rev. Rice.  She said she would marry him if anything ever happened to her husband David Tieman (Sr.).

Shortly after this, I had invited Ange to church. We were young, the same age, single, Christians and really attracted to each other. She "got right in" and started paying tithe and giving home offerings, even though she didn't live in the home. By ntcc standards that meant she was "really saved" or a Christian. I really believed God was blessing me and her, and that we'd be married and spend the rest of our happy lives together.  But that didn't happen, thanks to the ntcc's celibacy rule and nichelle tieman's lying.

Meanwhile, in Colorado, I commuted back and forth from Denver, where my mother was dying, to Colorado Springs, where the servicemen's home was located.  I did this for about 6 months, many times without missing any ntcc services, soul winning, prayer meetings, or events.   My Mom, who was already saved, had attended church service at ntcc one night, when james ross  ashmore was preaching.  She said that she had never in her life met anyone as cold as he was.   She came to church a few times; and my younger brother also came out to some services.

My mother died in 1990. When I got the call about my Mom, I was in the Tieman's living room. I told the Tieman's that my mom had went home to be with the Lord.

Nichelle Tieman said, "Your mother wasn't saved; if she was, she would have attended our services regularly and adhered to our holiness standards."

Nichelle might as well have hit me in the head with a club! I was shocked and furious inside!

I remembered back to when I was 8 years old; I used to roll joints for my mom. I remembered when she used to drink and bring home strange men. I also remembered when my Mom started going to an Assembly of God Church and got saved and stopped drinking and drugs and had Christ in her life. She was certainly saved by the grace of God and had the fruits of the Holy Spirit in her life!

Around this time, I called Pop Gaylord and told him what Nichelle was doing and confessed my role in it. He relayed the info to r. w. davis; within a week rdub came through to assess the situation. He decided to remove the Tieman's from the work in Colorado Springs and sent them to Portland, Oregon.

While he was there, Nichelle told davis that Ange felt like she was 'called' to go to Bible School; which was an outright lie. At this time Ange and I were talking about marriage. From this point on Ange felt pressured to go to bs and eventually went.

This 'little lie' that Nichelle told would ruin two marriages for Ange. One that should have happened; and one that never should have happened. This would also trigger 7 more years of celibacy in my life and an eventual decision to leave not only the ntcc, but also God.

I often asked myself what I had done to deserve this treatment. After making one of the biggest decisions of my life to stay, help, and support this cult called the New Testament Christian Church in Colorado Springs, they caused this miscarriage of justice! I was giving more than 10% tithe, offerings, home offerings, building fund pledges, world missions pledges, attending all services and functions, rejecting sexual advances by Nichelle Tieman, bringing dozens of people to church every month, commuting thousands of miles to help my terminally ill mother; and I loved God and the Tiemans in spite of what they had done and what was going on. But this was my 'reward'?   I wish I could say that this was an isolated instance; but it is not.

The ntcc often referred to itself as "the last hope for a lost and dying world". But instead of bringing hope, they were crushing it. Instead of saving the lost, they were driving Christians away from God.

These blogs are full of stories of cruel injustices committed by the ntcc, of lives that have been devastated, of families that have been torn apart, and of people that ntcc has used up, rejected, and sent back out into 'the world' to start their lives over with nothing.  All their finances have gone to the ntcc.  All their family ties have been broken from those who don't attend ntcc.  They have no careers or pensions or insurance or future.  They have to start life over, from scratch, with no support system.  Even their life-long ntcc friends and family will forsake them, treating them as if leaving ntcc equals leaving God.  The borg treats them as reprobates.  It's sad and so needless.

We write these things not because of hatred or revenge, but to warn people, and to let others know that they are not alone in their suffering, and, if possible, to trigger repentance.

These are not lies, but rather facts; that can be verified by two or more witnesses; and, above all, God knows all about it. The same ones that call us reprobates are the ones that have abused their salvation - if they ever had it - and will have to answer for it. We will continue to be a voice of truth that tells you the true story - a different story than that which the ntcc has to share.

We implore everyone that is involved with this cult to take a closer look and escape with what's left of your life. If you are thinking about attending, do your homework first.

• Study cults and their tactics.
• Learn about mind control.
• See how cult leaders use it to control every aspect of your life.
• Study the bible.
• See if you can find examples of Jesus or his followers destroying peoples' lives with unbiblical policies such as the celibacy policy of forbidding to marry.
• Use the ntcc's own standards to decide if they are a 'bible believing church' that follows Jesus' examples of love and temperance. 

But if you find they act like a cult, well... "If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and waddles like a duck, it's probably a duck!"  SO....

If it looks like a cult, talks like a cult, and changes rules like a cult, it's probably a cult!

Related Posts:

Don's Story [Click Link To See All His Posts In A Mobile View]

Part 2:  The Celibacy Policy:  or "Forbidding To Marry"

Part 1:  My Life and Times In The ntcc:  "Why I Left The ntcc"

Part 3:  Homosexual 'Pastors' In The ntcc: Names Included

Part 4:  Nichelle Tieman's Adultery and Lying:  NOT_Overseer Material


Coming Up: The ntcc Adultery or Divorce on Demand Policy:


Crossing The Line:  Part 1 of Adultery On Demand

Spouse Swapping:   Part 2 of Divorce On Demand 

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The Root Of All Evil

It's a shame what the love of money makes people do.  In some ways, I'm glad that I've never had much money.  It seems like those that do can be categorized in a few different groups:

1.  The Greedy

2.  The tight-wads

3.  The practical hard-workers

For the love of money is the root of all evil  ...

While much has been shared about the pursuit of riches within the ntcc, it seems that they will never change.  In my 13+ years in the ntcc, none of the 14 preachers that I observed had much of anything.  This to me was never unusual; because there was a realization of the sacrifice required by all of the pastors in ntcc, at least the ones that I knew of in the churches that I was attending.  It was always shared that if you gave willingly God would bless you.  What always did strike me as odd, was the many times in which there was serious money rolling into churches and very little of it ever seemed to accumulate at least not in a place where the local pastors or members could access any of it.

The ntcc is run much like the United States Government is run.

The government has their hand in every aspect of your life. ... 

And so does ntcc!

The ntcc is run much like the United States Government is run. Uncle Sam takes a big chunk of money off of the top of your pay check called income tax. This is much like tithe in that it is a percentage of your income before any of it gets spent. Then you have State taxes that come out of your check before you see anything in your bank account. Then you have other deductions like Social Security, unemployment insurance and the list goes on. This is everything that is taken out of your check before you get to spend a penny. Then when you go to spend the money you have to pay sales tax on everything you buy. Food tax which is usually more than sales tax when you buy food in a restaurant. Hotels are taxed and they pass that high tax-rate onto you; (by law they have to). Just about every bill you pay to include the phone bill, energy bill, cable, high-speed internet, water, trash (and the list goes on) has taxes on the bill; taxes which are over and above the services that you are paying for. The government has their hand in every aspect of your life. If this is not enough you then have taxes that are incorporated into every business that you patronize. For example if the Government makes Walmart pay taxes on its profits, do you think that Walmart is going to eat those costs themselves? What they do is they incorporate the price of those taxes into the price that you pay at the register so that you pay their taxes for them. This happens in every business; the expenses of operating are passed along to you the customer. When the Government gets greedy they come out with a new tax that supposedly is on the rich or the wealthiest people such as Gasoline and oil companies. They tax the fuel right at the pump. Why not?  The oil companies are rich; they can afford it.  Right? This tax is again paid by you the customer. So what do they want to do? As they have done in the past they are suggesting that the oil companies pay "windfall" tax on their profits. Who do you think will pay for that? Us. Gas will be so expensive that we'll have to spend ten bucks just to put enough gas in our lawn mower to cut the grass. If your parents die and leave you their life savings which they have paid taxes on all their life, then you have to pay taxes on it before you spend it; if they repeal the Bush tax cuts, it will be 55% taxed. Then you got property tax, personal property tax, automotive taxes and the list goes on and on and on.

The ntcc has a very similar system to the United States Government. First of all you have tithe which is paid off of the top of your check before Uncle Sam Gets a hold of it. Wait a sec, didn't uncle sam already get a hold of it? Then it is very highly encouraged (from behind the pulpit) that we are not to be tightwads and pay to the penny; but we are to pay more than 10% so God can have room to bless us. Also, just in case we receive blessings throughout the week, throw a few extra bucks into the envelope so you'll be covered. So there we have it; tithe is taken care of.  What next?  Offerings.  This is where they really dig into your wallet. That little velvet bag with the two wooden handles gets to make its rounds at least 5 or 6 times a week. I've seen it passed around in Sunday school and morning and evening church services, bible studies and even on special occasions during fellowship after the service when everyone is eating cake and drinking Cool-aid. But there is nothing wrong with this; it is a free-will offering right? I've seen ntcc preachers sweat and slobber from behind the pulpit trying to get people to give more money. The part of the service that is supposed to be 10 seconds long right before the offering plate makes its rounds was often turned into a mini sermon and fire was issued forth from behind the pulpit before the basket was even prayed over in anticipation of receiving a large wad of cash. I've even seen that pesky little bag passed around more than one time in the same service. Okay, we'll cut you some slack because everybody takes up offerings, don't they?

Here are a few more examples of how the ntcc is like the federal government:

Budget offerings:  This is a tax that is incorporated into their system of money extraction for the       purpose of covering expenses that were not able to be covered by previous taxes; I mean offerings.

World Missions:  This is a tax that is used to export ministers overseas so that they can live in complete and total poverty and receive very little help from the government; ur I mean ntcc leadership, which they have given so much of their money to and entrusted with their welfare.

Building Fund:  This is a very special fund of money that is set aside for the expansion of the church or so the church can grow.  More real-estate. I thought that was what the escrow fund was for; but that shows you how much I know; I was just a church member (who often kept the books for ntcc ministers)  Guess they will make a rule, oops, "policy" against that now.  All you ministers better bone up on your math!  We can't afford to have the members knowing what really happens to all that money!

Revival Fund:  This also is a very necessary offering that is taken up so that when the overseer goes on vacation in his Recreational Vehicle, ur I mean when He and his wife come to preach a revival, ahem, they will be able to fill up their company purchased RV; and they can get to the next place and be able to afford to eat out every night at restaurants and such.  But wait, the people at the next location will pick up that tab just so they can "be a blessing to The Man Of Gawd".

There are also many things that are expected like taking the pastor out every weekend; which I used to do anyway; because I felt sorry for the guy never having money.  Which brings us to the question, "Why would they always be broke with all of the tithes and offerings and special offerings that were taken up?

The answer is that the ntcc taxes that were imposed on the pastors were even more than that which was imposed on the members.  I'm sorry; I keep saying taxes when what I really mean to say is tithe and offerings.  If you think that the average church member has a lot of tribute to pay wait till you see what the average pastor has to pay in addition to housing, a church building, utilities, food and clothing, and transportation including to and from conference.  Actually the pastor only has two or three things that he must pay for.  The two biggies are church tithe and pastor's tithe.  One of them is tithe on everything they make and the other is tithe on tithe and everything the church brings in.  In order for the pastor to survive he has to get a job;and in some cases now his wife has to sin and get a job also; and they have to put everything into the General fund to meet the requirements of ntcc.  While all tithe income and Sunday morning offerings goes onto the tithe ledger then 10% off the top goes to Graham; thus the term 'tithe on tithe' ("which for years has been a source of ble$$ing for the churches"--mcUk).  The rest goes to the pastor.  Wait a sec, I've got it wrong again.  40% of what's left in the tithe fund goes to an escrow fund; and then the pastor gets what's left unless there is not enough in the General fund, which there very seldom is, so the money ends up in the General fund; and the local pastor gets nothing.  The General fund is supposed to be used to pay all of the bills; and this is why there is so much push for people to give above and beyond what they are able. Then the local pastor has to pay all of the special offerings like world missions and such.  It's no wonder a lot of pastors want their members to pay tithe on their tax returns which is misrepresented as an "increase" when in fact that money was already tithed on by the recipient in most cases.  I remember rwd would preach, "I hope Gawd gives you members just like youurself!"  This explains why the escrows were introduced to "prevent misappropriation, mismanagement and/or theft of each church's finances and to provide them a reserve account for coverages of extraordinary expenses" like Grant's secular education.  Oops.  Did I say that?  I'm sorry jury, strike the words "Grant's secular education" from the record.  That was uncalled for; or was it?

The very few ntcc ministers that are able to succeed in this environment can be categorized into the three types of people that we listed at the beginning of this thread.  The greedy take up all the offerings and pass on the expenses to the church members without sacrificing their own personal lifestyles.  They expect everyone else to sacrifice; but they themselves are not willing to... Sounds like davis and kekel to us.  The tightwads operate on the same principle by extracting as much money as they can from their members and also sacrificing themselves to put every penny into the work to keep it afloat.  The last type of person is very, very rare in the ntcc; and that is the practical hard-working individual that is able to get a very good paying job, or able to get a large following of church members that can sustain the financial obligations of the church without asking for more than people are able to give.    

Does this sound crazy to anyone else besides me? Do you ever wonder why 99.9% of the people in the ntcc are poor?  They say: "God will bless you if you pay your tithe and offerings;" but where are "God's ble$$ings" flowing within the ntcc?  They are not flowing down hill; but rather they flow uphill to the Pacific Northwest's ntcc leadership specifically.  Graham, Washington is where you can find "the ble$$ings of God" within the ntcc.  Not in the Servicemen's homes where the brethren are borrowing from each other to put enough gas in their cars to get to work, or busting open their piggy banks to gather up enough pennies to give in an offering. Not in the bible school dorms where the students are eating ramen for dinner every night, but a few doors down where you find the beamers parked in the driveways waiting for their owners to jump in them and take them to the SeaTac mall for another spending spree where tanya kekel can buy an Alpaca wool scarf for $90 at Nordstroms (on sale!).  I wonder how many bs students witness this riotous living and just leave?  What keeps the majority of them there is fear rather than love.  Hell is placed over their heads as a consequence to bucking the system or questioning the high and mighty leadership of the ntcc. The ntcc is an organization full of scared preachers that are under enormous pressure from their superiors to "make ends meet" and have to extract money out of people that give more than they should have to because they are fearful of "failing God" if they are unsucce$$ful.

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