eX-members' of ntcc Blogspot

A safe place for Xers to share their stories and heal.

A place to learn what it's really like in the ntcc founded by Rodger Wilson Davis;
and run by his son-in-law, Michael Craig Kekel,
the father of the one vasectomy-rule-exception kid in ntcc, Grant Davison Kekel.

Ezekiel 12:11

Say, I 'am' your sign: like as I have done, so shall it be done unto them: they shall remove 'and' go into captivity.

He Loves A House More Than God: Bonco Mansions of kekel (l) and davis (r)

He Loves A House More Than God:  Bonco Mansions of kekel (l) and davis (r)
"He loves a house more than God:" *Bonco* Mansions of kekel (l) and davis (r). Meanwhile, on the mission field: ntcc Missionaries to the Philippines "Rev. and Sis. Mackert ... found a place, 9 feet by 14 feet [9'x14'] and one bathroom. It is on the 6th floor and there is no elevator. The last place they had stayed, they had to share a common bathroom with the other tenants! Yikes! This place has their very own private bathroom, although the Rev. shared there is no seat on the throne, and no way to attach one…." from The Devonshire Files Sunday, May 28, 2006 Visit from the Mackerts (5/06). ** Should you know where the money ($$$$$) goes? **

Jesus In The Temple

Matt 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, Matt 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Gal. 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Skip To Blue Letter Bible Search Tool

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Monday, August 29, 2011

Crossing the Line - The NTCC Divorce Policy: Adultery on Demand Part 1

Broken Vows, Broken Hearts
Broken Marriages, Broken Homes
ntcc's Adultery-On-Demand Legacy
ntcc's Adultery-On-Demand legacy has destroyed countless marriages, broken up countless families, ruined childrens' lives, and caused countless souls to commit adultery.  The ntcc wants you to place your loyalty to the borginization above your loyalty to God.  The ntcc leadership wants you to obey their rules, even if it violates God's commandments.

This is something that we promised we would write about sometime ago.  A good friend and brother that I have not seen or talked to in many years wrote a message to me online; and this is an excerpt of part of that message.

"because my understandings of cults now, I recognize a line must be crossed to stay in and try to succeed in it (the ntcc) for life: No real friendships and marital loves because they interfere with cult loyalty, and especially with keeping all your eyes, ears, mind and decisions on the great leader...So, people who were sincere believers in Jesus, and wanted to sincerely love one another, would HAVE to forsake such things to stay in for life."

Marriage is a sacred vow taken before God.  And in most ceremonies we are reminded it is a lifelong commitment:   ""Til death do you part".  Here's what the New Testament says for all that believe the bible:

Mat 5:31-32 "It hath been said, whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:  But I say unto you, whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery, and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced, committeth adultery."

How much more plain can the Word of God be?  And again:

Luk 16:18  "Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband, committeth adultery."

How many fornicators and adulterers are in the ntcc?  The Apostle Paul had a lot to say about this subject also.  You believe Paul, don't you?

1Cor 7:10-11  "And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:  But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife."

Don't shoot the messenger, you ntcc'rs that believe in adultery on demand.  After all, you believe the bible; don't you?  There are more scriptures that we could point to; but if you don't believe these, then it is obvious that you have a pitchfork religion; and any other scriptures that we point to will not matter to you either.

Now, for those who are in the ntcc and live a sheltered life, we will give you the benefit of doubt to some degree, and assume that you are totally ignorant, and don't see any of the Adultery that has been taking place right before your eyes. For those that are ignorant, we are not going to link to the many instances and reports of members, (former or current), on FactNet and on this and other blogs, that show a pattern of broken marriages and split up families.  You will have to do that for yourself, and open your eyes, and take a look around you at what is happening in the ntcc.  Many people are blind because they choose to be blind.

Have you ever noticed how cults have exceptions to rules?  It's true.  Every cult that you find has certain scriptures that they misinterpret and change the meaning of.  Have you ever noticed how those disregarded scriptures allow them to commit a sin and live a lifestyle that is contrary to God's word?  Let's take polygamy for example.  Many of the polygamous cults disregard the New Testament and take multiple wives to themselves. They preach hell fire and brimstone, and require strict adherence to many biblical principles; but they disregard scriptures that pertain to the sins they wish to commit.

It's no different in the ntcc.  It starts at the very top.  I know that many think it's blasphemy to say anything 'negative' truthful about Rwd; but he is remarried; and there are many witnesses who can and have testified of his adulterous past.  It's all been hidden under a cloak of secrecy; and Rwd and his loyalists are not going to allow anyone to 'pry into' examine his past.  But it is there like a big pink elephant in a room that nobody wants to acknowledge or admit how out of place or wrong it is.

I'm not here to condemn anyone who has gone through a divorce. The purpose of this blog and the purpose of our life is not to preach at people; but if you are going to twist scriptures to extract money out of people by telling them that if they don't pay tithe and give in offerings that they are going to die and go to hell, then what other scriptures are you willing to twist to suit your false doctrine?  The ntcc are a bunch of phony hypocrites; that's what it boils down to.

We believe in Christianity; and we are tired of watching the ntcc ruin the lives of its members for greed, financial gain, and power.  The ntcc is so far from being a Christian organization; it's not funny.

What is wrong with being faithful to your wife or husband?  I've seen so many ntcc'rs throw their spouse under the bus to make themselves look good.  They sacrifice their marital loyalty and their family bonds so that they can kiss-up to the ntcc leadership.  The ntcc leadership has approached many husbands and wives and told them to leave their spouses because one of them comes to the realization that they are in a cult called ntcc.  This is not Christianity.  This is not biblical.

We are going to tell you a story about a couple that left the ntcc years ago.  We are not going to give any names or dates; but it is important for people to know part of this story; so they can see how abusive and destructive the ntcc is towards relationships and families.  This eventually can and probably will happen to you.

The people that we are sharing about are a very precious and loving couple.  They are considered by many that have been around them to be the perfect example of having a loving and Godly relationship.  We have been close to them and have deep respect for this couple.  They were deeply involved in the ntcc ministry, and had pastored Servicemen's homes, been missionaries in foreign countries, and taught at the bible school.

This couple had a miracle child and wanted the best for their child.  They wanted to raise their child properly and be responsible parents.  As a result, they chose to ignore certain man-made extra-biblical rules that the borg leaders want everyone except themselves to keep.  In other words, this couple chose to put the welfare of their child above the ridiculous rules of the ntcc leadership that does not keep the rules they force on others.

This couple's decision to protect their child is no different than anything the Kekels have done in the past; but it was considered an act of disloyalty by the ntcc leadership.

Consequently, the husband was approached by ntcc leadership and pressure was put on him to leave his family.  The wife was approached by Verna and Tanya and asked to leave her husband.  Verna and Tanya even made fun of this couple, not knowing that the woman overheard their hateful and catty comments.  But she had.  And she kept praying for her husband to come around so that the ntcc would not be able to destroy their marriage as has happened to so many others.

So, even though the ntcc leadership tried to split them up, the ntcc didn't account for the love that this couple had for one another and the love they had for God.

  • This couple did the right thing and left the organization.  
  • They didn't allow the organization and its corrupt leaders to destroy their marriage or their family.  
  • They didn't leave God; they left a cult.  
  • They didn't stop loving God; but they stopped giving their time, money, and life to a group of ungrateful money grubbing hypocrites that were going to suck the life out of them.

We know that the brainwashing that takes place in the ntcc is very damaging and the longer people stay in, the harder it is for them to realize that they are in a cult.  We were there.  We know.  The ntcc is great at scrutinizing others -- measuring them with a super-spiritual yardstick and hypocritically condemning others for the very same things that they are guilty of.  But we encourage you to scrutinize the ntcc leadership:

  • Do they live what they preach?  
  • Do they keep the same rules they put on you?  
  • Do they obey God's Word?  
  • Or do they encourage divorce and adultery?  

We ask ntcc'rs to take a closer look at what you have decided to be a part of.  Don't be a part of the ntcc's "Adultery on Demand" program.  We implore you to consult with God before you allow someone to destroy your marriage.  If you don't believe us, believe your bible and do the right thing.

Mark 10:6-9:  verse9:  What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

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Saturday, May 28, 2011

The Only Good Cat, Is A Dead Cat: Part Two of the ntcc No Pet Rule Now Called a 'Policy'

 "The only GOOD cat is a DEAD cat!" --r w davis 
I have to confess that for years I subscribed to this idiotic mantra, cringing at the mere thought of cats, yelling "Amen!" when davis 'preached' against these fuzzy four-footed creatures, adding my story of a vindictive cat waiting under the bed to scratch my ankles for a previous accidental encounter with its tail under my foot.  Now I look back at all this and wonder; "What do pets have to do with the gospel of Jesus Christ?"  The answer, of course, is nothing.  Pets have nothing to do with the gospel of Christ.  And neither does r w davis.  davis just used the gospel of Christ to cull a group of "loyal" = "tithe-paying" followers.  And 'preaching' about pets has everything to do with following.  It is just one more control mechanism, one more gauge to test davis' disciples' loyalty to their fearful leader.

Davis would love for you to flip the switch!
davis used to get his followers all "whipped-up" (see above picture) shouting about such no-pet nonsense from the pulpit, letting people know where their loyalty had better be with commanding statements like, "Don't invite me to your house if you have a cat; I won't come." He would stand there with an impudent thrust of the chin and raised eyebrow, with a slight turn of the head, glaring down at the crowd to see who is showing wide-eyed fear and shaking their heads no, silently bringing themselves once again into subjection to this tyrant davis, as if to say, "Oh no, Pastor; we won't have any pets.  Please, please, please come to our house.  We want to be next week's pulpit fodder when you blast us from on high for serving you that 'pine-bark junk' instead of your favorite coffee and mistakenly roasting a beef when you only want pork."   Could this fascination with pork, the other 'white' meat be a subliminal problem davis has with anyone or anything that isn't 'white'?

Then the 'preaching' would continue:
"You know; cats carry more diseases than any other creature!"  Another volley of "Amens" would rise from the faithful, mothers would shudder and draw their children closer, fathers would make a mental note to go to the pound with 'Whiskers' right after service, and single brothers would pray for "the opportunity" to send any stray to meet its Maker, dispatching them by crossing that white line on the side of the road or (crossing another line, the line of common decency) by drowning them in a sack tossed over the bridge, callously ignoring little kitten mews for mercy; the davis disciple throwing his shoulders back to shrug off conviction, leaning his head back to laugh, congratulating himself that this deed, when shared boastfully at the 'fellowhip' table, would somehow bring him closer to the one he admires and wants to be, 'pastor' davis.  Let's all bow in reverence to a man.  Ahem.  Idolaters!

You think we are making this up?

Think again.  It's been discussed at length in other blog posts at other times:

Related stories:

1)  Scat Cat! on Jeff's blog:
"Jeff said...
The practice of hating and KILLING cats was "taught and advocated" by the NTCC hence fitting the dictionary definition of the word "doctrine". I can emphatically state that as fact while quantifying my stance.
One very respected and highly regarded NTCC pastor personally told me the he and other brothers would drown cats in a well of water. He laughed about this fact quite gleefully."
2)  ntcc:  Cult or not? on Jeff's blog:
The NTCC is a church which is full of little Kitty Cat haters. They think that Cats are evil.
3)  Kill 'em All:  r w davis' stance / No Pet Rule now called a policy:
http://ntccxerblog.blogspot.com/2011/02/kill-em-all-rodger-w-davis-stance-on.html

 WHY SHOOT 2 DOGS AND 
AXE-OFF PUPPIES HEADS? 
 ASK RODGER W. DAVIS
 THOSE WERE HIS ORDERS. 
A look at animal abuse as a prelude to 
and an indicator of other abuse:
"without natural affection"

As you read these articles and watch the video below, ask yourself what is davis really teaching and why does he teach it?  Don't davis doctrines harm the gospel while doing everything to lift up a man as a ruler over all who sit before his pulpit?  Decide for yourself.

Cute Kittens Fly In Slow Motion To Hip Hop Dubstep *no kittens were hurt* ^_^




"Kill 'em All!" -- rodger w. davis' stance on puppies: Part One of the NTCC No-Pet Rule, Now Called a 'Policy'

New Testament Christian Church No Pet Rule Now Called A Policy - Dog Cringes in Fear before a Revolver / Handgun
 WHY SHOOT 2 DOGS AND AXE-OFF  PUPPIES' HEADS?
 ASK RODGER W. DAVIS.
 THOSE WERE HIS ORDERS. 
Five Adorable Puppies Watch Below or on YouTube


Isn't this one of the cutest videos you've ever seen?  Puppies are just precious!

But to strange minds like rodger w. davis...  puppies and German Shepherds are things to kill...

Wendy and Lion were two beautiful German Shepherds owned by michael c. kekel and rodger w. davis. These two dogs came from the same litter. They loved to jump the fence that separated them and go play together. davis ordered elliot f. gesang to kill these dogs. So elliot f. gesang took Wendy and Lion out in the woods and shot them dead.

Could you kill an innocent pup like the one in the following video?

Beagle Puppy Howl Watch Below or on YouTube

In a separate incident rodger w. davis ordered another minister to take a whole litter of puppies and chop off their heads with an axe; the other minister did so, crying.

Child abusers torture animals in front of kids to terrify them, sending them the message: "You're next!"

Serial murderers start with killing animals; they say they do this "To see what it feels like to kill something."

It's all about control / domination -- perverse pleasure at killing innocents [puppies] and innocence [the trust you had in that power monger who orchestrated this test of your loyalty to him to see if you would break your own code of decency and ethics to be obedient (subservient) to him.]...

It's no joke.  davis is sick.  He wants to break you; so he can run your life in order to profit ($$$) himself.  Dead puppies?  You gotta be kidding us!  When we see puppies we think, "Oh, so cute!  They need shelter and food.  Let us take you home and love you!"

When davis sees puppies he sees $$$ leaving his wallet.  That is intolerable to a man whose god is the 'almighty dollar'.  He uses these puppies for his gain.  "Kill 'em all" and I will know that you will fall on your sword for me...

Sick.  Sick.  Sick.

Golden Retriever Puppies  Watch Below Or On YouTube



A righteous [man] regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked [are] cruel.
Prov. 12:10

Once again we see rodger w. davis' actions placing him on the wrong side of the Word of God.  Could you kill these innocents to please r w davis?  Why?  The bible clearly states that the righteous man regardeth THE LIFE of his beast.  The righteous man does not randomly slay innocent puppies for perverse pleasure!  davis has shown that he is wicked, his tender mercies [are] cruel.  Why stay and be part of a group run by a "wicked" man with "cruel tender mercies"?

Related posts:

The Only Good Cat, Is a Dead Cat:  Part Two Of the ntcc "No Pet Rule" Now Called a Policy

Mobile Format Series "Kill Them All"


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D) I always wanted a dog; but ntcc would not allow it.

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Wednesday, January 26, 2011

The Celibacy Policy or "Forbidding To Marry"

Part 2:  The Celibacy Policy or "Forbidding To Marry"

Part 1:  My Life And Times With ntcc:  or "Why I Left The ntcc"

Part 3:  Homosexual 'Pastors' In The ntcc; Names Included

Part 4:  Nichelle Tieman's Adultery and Lying:  NOT_Overseer Material

During our years as members of the cult called ntcc, there were many doctrines preached and rules enforced that we went along with out of fear and misunderstanding. Now years later we find that many of the teachings of the ntcc rules are not backed by scripture; but we and many others followed and obeyed these teachings out of fear and misguided zeal for what we thought was "the only true doctrine in the land".

The leaders, pastors, and board members would subtly introduce these rules [now claimed to be 'policies']  at times while preaching salvation; and other times they would boldly preach these rules as scripture, with reckless abandon, not concerned with whom they hurt, or whom they ran off. There is a sickness in the ntcc and among its leadership that compels them to preach Christ crucified and get people genuinely saved and hungering for God; only so that they can indoctrinate them with control policies; and shape them into what best suits ntcc purposes. The #1 goal of r w davis is to convert servants of Christ into servants of RWD. The biggest mistake that we as Christians made in the ntcc is thinking that because we were saved while attending the ntcc, that the ntcc had to be right in their doctrine and 'policies'. "If God saved me here, how could they possibly be wrong?" What makes this so perverse is that it's all done because of money.

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Tim 2:15
The #1 goal of r w davis is to convert servants of Christ into servants of RWD.
We are going to compare ntcc's rules, [now called 'policies' and enforced with dire consequences visited on those who don't obey the rules] with the scripture and "rightly divide the word of truth". We also are going to ask for the millionth time if these rules were right all along why are they now being changed and renamed as 'policies'? Is God still the same? Did the Holy Ghost lie to r w davis when he preached these things to us?
The celibacy policy is where the ntcc forbids marriage.
It is the ntcc's doctrine of matchmaking and forcing members to live in celibacy.
We are not advocating fornication or adultery or child molestation like the ntcc does!

Forced Celibacy or Forbidding to Marry by Forbidding Dating Thru Match-Making Rules:
The first policy rule that we are going to look at is the celibacy policy rule where the ntcc forbids marriage. Let's see if we can find some scriptures that support the ntcc's doctrine of matchmaking and forcing members to live in celibacy.

First of all, we are not advocating fornication or adultery or child molestation as is advocated by the ntcc. michael c kekel has never come out and denied his child molestation of tanya davis when she was a young teen [minor/jailbait] and he was in his early twenties [adult/pedophile].  Therefore we believe the witness of Vic Johanson in previous posts on Jeff's blog and this blog. Vic has no reason to lie and MCK has every reason in the world to cover it up.

Here's what the scripture says; now lets honestly try to rightly divide the word of truth as we read:
Now lets honestly try to RIGHTLY divide the word of truth as we read what the scripture says; and, please, no 'private interpretations' or 'secret revelations'...
"Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband." 1 Cor 7:2
"For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that."
"I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I."
"But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn." 1 Cor 7:7-9
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;"
"Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;"
"Forbidding to marry, [and commanding] to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth." 1 Tim 4:1-3
We can find no supporting scripture that justifies what the ntcc has done to many of its members... forbidding single men from talking to single women ... forbidding them to date and thus forbidding them to marry.  That contradicts God's word!
These are just a few scriptures that we have taken five minutes to look up. Rightly dividing these words of truth, we can find no supporting scripture that justifies what the ntcc has done to many of its members. We welcome anyone from the ntcc that can find a scripture without twisting it, that supports their practice of forbidding single men from talking to single women, or forbidding them to date, thereby forbidding them to marry. Please:  no 'private interpretations' or 'secret revelations'.


Let The Dead Bury Their Dead:
While my mother was terminally ill, various ntcc leaders put pressure on me to stay in their works so they would have one faithful tithe payer bringing in more income to their works... They used God as an excuse when they told me that "They had prayed; and God wanted me to help them."
They had no consideration for me or my mother; but instead ntcc's stance was, "Let the dead bury their dead."
In 1989, I was stationed in Camp Humphreys, Korea, and helped Rev. L. C. Barnes start a church. In one short year we had about 30 members; and as Rev. Barnes was getting ready to PCS, ntcc sent Tom and Rachel Wright over to run this servicemen's home. We had about 4 people (including myself) that moved into the home and a handful of tithe payers attending church regularly. I had invited many of the members out to church and was very involved and invested in the work.

In October, I went on leave to attend a conference in the States. While on leave, I visited my parents and found out that my mother had cancer. She asked me if I could stay home with her and help. At first I said no; because I felt that God wanted me in Korea; but only because I was so brainwashed at the time, that I believed the constantly repeated ntcc mantra "let the dead bury their dead" doctrine.

Althouth that is part of the scripture, the ntcc twisted or wrested that scripture.  It was often used by the ntcc to separate people from their families and loved ones just to keep the tithes coming into ntcc coffers.

Mystical Manipulation:  "We Prayed About It.  God Wants You Here."

While at home in Denver, I was attending ntcc services in Colorado Springs and commuting 140 miles round trip just about every day.

  1. The Tiemans were in Colorado Springs; and they told me that they had prayed; and God wanted me to help them.
  2. I would talk to the Wrights on the phone; and they felt that God wanted me there; and that the home in Korea depended on me. 

Is God double-minded?  No.  Clearly both the Tiemans and the Wrights were using mystical manipulation on me, claiming they had the 'mind of God'.  Rubbish.  They were just using me.

Finally, David Tieman (Sr.) called r. w. davis and told him that the Wrights were pressuring me to go back to Korea; and the Tiemans wanted me to put in for a compassionate reassignment in Colorado. RWD told Tieman to have me "Pray about it." and do what God wanted me to do.  That was davis' way of washing his hands of everyone's attempt to mystically manipulate me into staying with them and paying their bills while blaming God, saying, "We prayed about it; God wants you here."

I eventually made the decision to stay in Colorado Springs; and the Army attached me to Fitzsimons Army Medical Center in Denver, pending compassionate reassignment.  Although this was the easy thing to do at the time, it was a sacrifice; because I really wanted to return to Korea and help the work I had started with Rev. Barnes; but after much pressure from all around, I decided to stay in Colorado.

Sexual Temptation Worsened by the Celibacy Rule Forbidding To Marry:

During this time, Nichelle Tieman began to make sexual advances toward me while David Tieman (Sr.) was locked up in his room, "studying God's word". If ntcc did not have their twisted rule forbidding to marry, I would probably have already been married and living in my own home with my own wife.  But ntcc's celibacy rule had already struck major blows against my attempts to seek a normal marital relationship.

Prior to this, I had been denied by two (2) previous pastor's the "privilege of talking to" two other sisters; simply because they were earmarked for bible school! I was 25 years old and the whole celibacy policy rule was not working for me. I did not have the gift of celibacy that the Apostle Paul was speaking of in I Corinthians, chapter 7.

ntcc's celibacy rule is a direct violation of God's word found here:

1 Cr 7:2  Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

If ntcc did not contradict God's Word and have this twisted doctrine, I would have had my own wife and place to stay; I never would have been around for such temptations.  Instead, I was forced to live in celibacy, in a servicemen's home, where the apparently unfulfilled or insatiable 'pastor's wife' would make constant advances towards me.

Nichelle Tieman would rub up against me inappropriately with her breasts and rear end when nobody was around. I almost committed adultery with her but was convicted after inappropriately touching her one evening. After that night, I started rejecting her sexual advances. One morning she came down to my room in the home and knocked on my door. She said that her husband was at work; and she "wanted to lay with me". I rejected that advance and many others.  I also remember her telling me that she loved another brother; he was a worker named Rev. Rice.  She said she would marry him if anything ever happened to her husband David Tieman (Sr.).

Shortly after this, I had invited Ange to church. We were young, the same age, single, Christians and really attracted to each other. She "got right in" and started paying tithe and giving home offerings, even though she didn't live in the home. By ntcc standards that meant she was "really saved" or a Christian. I really believed God was blessing me and her, and that we'd be married and spend the rest of our happy lives together.  But that didn't happen, thanks to the ntcc's celibacy rule and nichelle tieman's lying.

Meanwhile, in Colorado, I commuted back and forth from Denver, where my mother was dying, to Colorado Springs, where the servicemen's home was located.  I did this for about 6 months, many times without missing any ntcc services, soul winning, prayer meetings, or events.   My Mom, who was already saved, had attended church service at ntcc one night, when james ross  ashmore was preaching.  She said that she had never in her life met anyone as cold as he was.   She came to church a few times; and my younger brother also came out to some services.

My mother died in 1990. When I got the call about my Mom, I was in the Tieman's living room. I told the Tieman's that my mom had went home to be with the Lord.

Nichelle Tieman said, "Your mother wasn't saved; if she was, she would have attended our services regularly and adhered to our holiness standards."
Nichelle might as well have hit me in the head with a club! I was shocked and furious inside!

I remembered back to when I was 8 years old; I used to roll joints for my mom. I remembered when she used to drink and bring home strange men. I also remembered when my Mom started going to an Assembly of God Church and got saved and stopped drinking and drugs and had Christ in her life. She was certainly saved by the grace of God and had the fruits of the Holy Spirit in her life!


Around this time, I called Pop Gaylord and told him what Nichelle was doing and confessed my role in it. He relayed the info to r. w. davis; within a week rdub came through to assess the situation. He decided to remove the Tieman's from the work in Colorado Springs and sent them to Portland, Oregon.

While he was there, Nichelle told davis that Ange felt like she was 'called' to go to Bible School; which was an outright lie. At this time Ange and I were talking about marriage. From this point on Ange felt pressured to go to bs and eventually went.

This 'little lie' that Nichelle told would ruin two marriages for Ange. One that should have happened; and one that never should have happened. This would also trigger 7 more years of celibacy in my life and an eventual decision to leave not only the ntcc, but also God.

I often asked myself what I had done to deserve this treatment. After making one of the biggest decisions of my life to stay, help, and support this cult called the New Testament Christian Church in Colorado Springs, they caused this miscarriage of justice! I was giving more than 10% tithe, offerings, home offerings, building fund pledges, world missions pledges, attending all services and functions, rejecting sexual advances by Nichelle Tieman, bringing dozens of people to church every month, commuting thousands of miles to help my terminally ill mother; and I loved God and the Tiemans in spite of what they had done and what was going on. But this was my 'reward'?   I wish I could say that this was an isolated instance; but it is not.

The ntcc often referred to itself as "the last hope for a lost and dying world". But instead of bringing hope, they were crushing it. Instead of saving the lost, they were driving Christians away from God.

These blogs are full of stories of cruel injustices committed by the ntcc, of lives that have been devastated, of families that have been torn apart, and of people that ntcc has used up, rejected, and sent back out into 'the world' to start their lives over with nothing.  All their finances have gone to the ntcc.  All their family ties have been broken from those who don't attend ntcc.  They have no careers or pensions or insurance or future.  They have to start life over, from scratch, with no support system.  Even their life-long ntcc friends and family will forsake them, treating them as if leaving ntcc equals leaving God.  The borg treats them as reprobates.  It's sad and so needless.


We write these things not because of hatred or revenge, but to warn people, and to let others know that they are not alone in their suffering, and, if possible, to trigger repentance.

These are not lies, but rather facts; that can be verified by two or more witnesses; and, above all, God knows all about it. The same ones that call us reprobates are the ones that have abused their salvation - if they ever had it - and will have to answer for it. We will continue to be a voice of truth that tells you the true story - a different story than that which the ntcc has to share.

We implore everyone that is involved with this cult to take a closer look and escape with what's left of your life. If you are thinking about attending, do your homework first.
  • Study cults and their tactics.
  • Learn about mind control.
  • See how cult leaders use it to control every aspect of your life.
  • Study the bible.
  • See if you can find examples of Jesus or his followers destroying peoples' lives with unbiblical policies such as the celibacy policy of forbidding to marry.
  • Use the ntcc's own standards to decide if they are a 'bible believing church' that follows Jesus' examples of love and temperance. 

But if you find they act like a cult, well... "If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and waddles like a duck, it's probably a duck!"  SO....

If it looks like a cult, talks like a cult, and changes rules like a cult, it's probably a cult!

Related Posts:

Don's Story [Click Link To See All His Posts In A Mobile View]

Part 2:  The Celibacy Policy:  or "Forbidding To Marry"

Part 1:  My Life and Times In The ntcc:  "Why I Left The ntcc"

Part 3:  Homosexual 'Pastors' In The ntcc: Names Included

Part 4:  Nichelle Tieman's Adultery and Lying:  NOT_Overseer Material


Coming Up: The ntcc Adultery or Divorce on Demand Policy:


Crossing The Line:  Part 1 of Adultery On Demand

Spouse Swapping:   Part 2 of Divorce On Demand 


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