Nichelle Tieman's Adultery and Lying Revisited: NOT_Overseer Material

In a previous post titled "The Celibacy Policy" or {Forbidding to Marry, Part Two of Don's Story}, Don shared how Nichelle Tieman repeatedly tried to seduce him to have sex with her, rubbing her breasts and rear end up against him, and coming to Don's room when David Tieman, Sr. was at work, trying to convince Don to "lay with" her.  We also shared how Don reported that years of forced celibacy in the ntcc, brought on by ntcc pastors interfering and  telling women not to talk to Don and telling Don not to talk to women, helped Don give in to this temptation.  Though Nichelle and Don did not have intercourse, there was inappropriate touching going on.  


As Don shared in another thread titled "Homosexual 'Pastors' in the ntcc: Names Included"  {Part Three of Don's Story}, he had already been sexually abused by three homosexual ntcc pastors.  This abuse of authority, coupled with long years of forced celibacy made Nichelle Tieman's forward advances seem appealing at first.  In Don's words:  "At first I welcomed these advances because they made me feel like a man is supposed to feel and that is masculine."  Of course the Holy Ghost continued to convict him; and Don repented of this sin.  After praying for forgiveness, Don called Pop Gaylord and told him of his involvement with Nichelle Tieman, who had also told Don that she loved another brother, Rev. Rice, and if anything happened to her husband, David Tieman Sr., Rice was the one she would marry.  Pop Gaylord called davis and r w got on a plane to visit Colorado Springs.  


From the moment davis got off the plane at the airport, (Ange was there with the Tiemans to pick up rdub at the airport) until the day he left, r w 's demeanor was mean, gruff, condescending and condemning.  davis screamed out the 'message' "What's in YOUR books?", which really was a message for r w davis that he pitchforked onto everyone else without applying it to his own adulterous self.  Hmmn.  


Afterwards, in the kitchen, Nichelle Tieman lied and told r w davis that Ange wanted to go to bible school.  If you know anything about ntcc, you know what a nail in the relationship-coffin that was.  Don was not going to bible school.  So in ntcc this made Ange off-limits to Don.  Not only that; but Don had wanted to go to bible school and unforgiving - but - guilty - himself -  davis had not "allowed it" even though Pop Gaylord gave Don a good recommendation to go. (See "Letters From The Past", {Part One}  for proof of Pop Gaylord's good recommendation, in Mom Gaylord's own handwriting.)  Talk about a twisted diabolical scheme to keep Don living a forced life of celibacy!  Three different ntcc pastors told him or a woman he was talking to they should not be talking!  Then this lie by nichelle tieman, the adulteress!  Forcing the ntcc rule-induced separation of Don and Ange; just because nichelle lied; and davis did not "allow" Don to go to the bible school.  Why?  


Even davis knew that Don is a good brother.  In davis' own words to Don:  "I [rw] never saw the devil fight anyone as hard as he fights you [Don]".  It was also at this time that davis told Don:  "I know what happened with you [Don] and [hummel and  rudy, and the rejected advances from broadnax the homosexual pastors] was NOT MUTUAL [Don did not want homosexuality.]  But, [davis continued] I think THIS [Don's involvement with nichelle tieman] WAS MUTUAL."  Ya think?  Seven years of not even being able to talk to a woman does wear down a brother who does not have the 'gift' of celibacy!  Of course he's going to be tempted even if it was Nichelle Tieman doing the tempting.  


Why did  Nichelle approach a single brother to meet her sexual needs?  At a conference in Missouri Nichelle was telling a room full of women how bad her husband David Tieman Sr. was in bed.  She was doing it in her usual scornful manner of speaking.  If you know Nichelle, you know what we are talking about:  How she makes fun of people constantly, including her own biological brother....  In that room were church members, bible school students, and ministers' wives.  Let them come on here and say that these things we share are true; because they were there and saw and heard it too.  In fact, this incident was the reason why davis, the very next day, stopped "letting" people fellowship in the rooms at the campground!  Additionally, many people have shared how horrible the Tiemans were as overseers because of their rude, sanctimonious, holier-than-thou behavior.

That brings us to the heart of the matter. The Tiemans (Nichelle and David Sr.) can not even keep their own house in order. They should NEVER be set up as Overseers to tell others how to do ANYTHING.


To date Nichelle has never apologized to Don or Ange for her adultery and lying. This indicates her lack of repentance (impenitent).   The bible says to rebuke openly before all, that others may fear. It says to not suffer a brother to sin.  People may not like the truth; but eXposing the truth is the only way to affect repentance. The ntcc would rather lift up Nichelle and David Sr. in pride and could care less that they are impenitent. As one anonymous poster shared on Jeff Collin's blog:

Anonymous said...
Jeff, then why is the woman that this man mentioned by name one of the leaders in ntcc?
I don't know but they are going to churches and preaching around and are seen as leaders for the ntcc, if I'm not mistaken her husband is in the board of ntcc, while real men and women like the John and Rebecca Rodrigues in the phillipines are just put on the back burner so to speak.
Is that what you have to do to belong to the board? Wow and wow!!!

February 09, 2011 3:36 PM

These things ought not to be so.  Nichelle should repent of her adultery and lying; David Sr. should repent of his lack of meeting his wife's sexual needs. Or else David Tieman Sr. should step down from the board of the ntcc and relinquish his Overseer status.  They really are not qualified.  Just ask those who have had to endure the Tiemans coming to town on their broom  in their recreational vehicle.
  

NOT nichelle tieman; but it does
evoke memories of her actions...

The ntcc wants to disregard the bible commandment concerning Overseers found in 1 Tim 3:15: 

For if a man know not how to rule his own house, 

how shall he take care of the church of God?

That's what the bible says, people.  That is what God expects.  So how about it ntcc?  Perhaps the real reason the Tiemans have been allowed to advance is because they are not the only ones with unrepented-of sins.  Perhaps the very top 'leaders' of the ntcc have impenitent hearts and seek others who have skeletons in the closet to share the board room (or bedroom) with them.  Something to think about.  Perhaps the top ntcc leaders themselves do not know how to rule their own houses and as such should not take care of the church of God!


Update:  From the comments section on this post:

Anonymous said...

Somebody was telling some years back that when the tiemans were in denver pastoring a church, they used to invite the members of thier church to come to their house and enjoy the spa that ms. tieman had found for free in the newspaper. They used to have a blast when the tiemans were pastoring there.
NOw with this info about how ms. tieman behaved with don, it is so telling what were the intentions of nichelle bringing their members to enjoy their "blessing" (spa)

Wednesday, September 21, 2011 4:13:00 PM

1 NCO 2 Another said...

Yeah, it's as obvious as when nichelle purposely pushed Don into the water from the paddle boat that they were in on a small pond at a park near the ntcc servicemen's home in Colorado Springs (Ft. Carson) on Circle. Drive.

nichelle wanted to flirt and get a good look at Don in his wet clingy clothes. I was there and saw the whole thing. nichelle's oblivious husband david tieman sr. was there too and saw the whole thing. I could not believe my eyes! I could see very plainly that she was flirting with / coming on to Don. Is david tieman sr. that dumb or did he just not care who nichelle was throwing herself at? It really was freaky.

Of course now we all know the rest of the story with Don.

And now thanks to your post we see that this was a pattern of bad behavior exhibited by nichelle tieman. A spa? Seriously? In a HOLINESS preacher's house?

I guess the Lord really does "use that jacuzzi in mysterious ways".

Here's a link to a video that says it all:

{Click here} The Lawd Uses That Jacuzzi (SPA) In Mysterious Ways

Shaking my head. You know, I'm starting to wonder if david tieman sr. is a little gay himself? I mean; come on? How many times does your wife have to throw herself at other men to try and get your attention? Are you gay, dave? Or is nichelle some kind of nymphomaniac that you just can't keep up with her? Or do you both just need some good old fashioned counseling from a real counselor, not davis the blabber mouth who WILL air your private business from the pulpit if it suits him; (as he has boasted that he does do that.... And we've all seen and heard it too!)

I just don't get it; why do you want to continue in sin? Lying to yourselves about who you are and what you want. Why not just go out and be REAL bad girls or bad boys and quit pretending?

Or better still, why not go to the cross and really get a touch of salvation and healing from Jesus Christ the Merciful?

Are you really that proud that you'd rather go to hell for halfway-living in sin?

You don't have to. Repentance is one prayer away. Forgiveness is yours for the asking.

(Don and) Ange

Wednesday, September 21, 2011 4:54:00 PM

Related Stories:


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Or, to view each part alone:


1)  Why I Left The ntcc


2)  The Celibacy Policy


3)  Homosexual Pastors

Letters From the Past

While assigned to the 3rd MI Battalion in Camp Humphries Korea, I received this Letter from Mom and Pop Gaylord dated March 1, 1989.

Dear Brother,

Greetings in the Wonderful name of Jesus! He is truly wonderful.

Thank you for your letter. We were glad to hear from you and was glad for the time we were with you in Korea. We really enjoyed ourselves.

Marie is here for Bible School and it was good to see her again. She talked to Pop and I about your plans. Marie and Pop talked to brother Davis about going back over there and getting married, and working with Bro. Barnes in a Servicemen's Home. Bro. Davis didn't approve of her going back over there for that reason, because Bro. Barnes will be leaving in about six months, and he wouldn't want him to start a Servicemen's Home, as he doesn't have anyone to replace him. We are really short of trained people.

Bro. Davis told Marie she could go to Bible School if she wanted to but we don't know if she is enrolled yet or not. We haven't seen her since Sun. night as there haven't been any services. We'll see her tomorrow night.

As far as you and her getting married, Bro. Davis, Bro. Barnes nor Pop have nothing to say about you and Marie marrying; that is between you and her and the Lord.

Pop put in a good recommendation for you to go to Bible School but it is wholly up to Bro. Davis who enrolls.

You pray, and before it is time for you to reenlist or get out, contact Bro. Davis and let him know your desires. God knows.

Write us whenever you want. God Bless you.

Love + prayers

Mom and Pop Gaylord
P.O. Box 629
Graham, Wa 98338

Mom and Pop Gaylord's letter to Don, Page 1

Mom and Pop Gaylord's letter to Don, Page 2

Mom and Pop Gaylord's letter to Don, Page 3

I came across this and many other gems while going through all my stuff. After reading this letter, it really verified that I had been in a cult for many years. If a normal person, (one that hadn't been brainwashed by the ntcc) had read this letter, there would be all kinds of red flags going up. Cult Alert, Cult Alert!!!!! This may seem like normal everyday life to a cult member, but it is anything but normal if you are the one on the receiving end of the ntcc's manipulation. This is just one out of 3 times that I was done wrong by the ntcc, and it's cult leadership in regards to relationships. If you ever wonder why I emphasize the "Celibacy Policy" this and other instances of relationship manipulation may clue you into the reason why. I am going to break this letter down to make it plain and simple for others to see why we expose the ntcc daily for being a cult; and you can decide for yourself who is right.

This letter is in response to a letter that I wrote to Mom and Pop after meeting Marie in Korea and discussing marriage with her. We wanted to marry in Korea; but she, like others, was "Called" to go to the New Testament Christian Seminary in Graham, WA. Since she could not disobey her "calling" she decided to go to bible school and return to Korea as soon as possible so we could get married. She thought she could get a some time in training and return as a worker to Korea and help build a Servicemen's Home and Church in Korea. We are not going to mention Marie's last name because it is not my intention to invade her privacy. She did nothing wrong in this debacle. To place this in its proper perspective we have to mention that Marie had spoken to her pastor first in Korea; and he discouraged us getting married; because of the ntcc's strict celibacy policy.

"Marie is here for Bible School and it was good to see her again. She talked to Pop and I about your plans. Marie and Pop talked to brother Davis about going back over there and getting married, and working with Bro. Barnes in a Servicemen's Home." - Here we have a woman in the ntcc that wants to get married and Mom and Pop in the middle trying to help me. Pop actually talked with rwd and Marie to try to work something out but; rwd was not interested in our desires at the time.

Bro. Davis didn't approve of her going back over there for that reason - I wonder if davis, the man that "never missed the Holy Ghost", prayed about this decision; or if he just thought that he was so cozy with God that he didn't need to pray about this? It's okay to manipulate people if you are a cult leader. There is no forethought that goes into the decision making process when other people's lives are involved.

"Bro. Davis didn't approve of her going back over there for that reason, because Bro. Barnes will be leaving in about six months, and he wouldn't want him to start a Servicemen's Home, as he doesn't have anyone to replace him. We are really short of trained people." - That's a convenient excuse considering that Barnes DID start a Servicemen's Home there with my help. And we had four brothers living in the home when, a few short months later, the Wrights were on their way over to take over this work. I was under the impression that rwd "never missed God"; but I guess here we have an example of one of those rare occasions where rwd missed God! Unless you consider him to be a cult leader... then you would have to concede that none of this mess had anything to do with God!

As far as you and her getting married, Bro. Davis, Bro. Barnes nor Pop have nothing to say about you and Marie marryinig; that is between you and her and the Lord. - Standard cult jargon or a disclaimer to release the ntcc from any responsibility of destroying a relationship. If you think that this statement is true, than I have some swamp land on Pikes Peak I'd like to sell you. Davis had a lot to say about it. Do you think that if Marie had disregarded his advice and came back to Korea to marry me that everything would have been hunky dory between Marie and rwd? She was to be farmed out to a preacher.
Meanwhile, I was back in Korea working my tail off trying to get a servicemen's home started. We had a servicemen's home started before the Wrights even got over there. I helped build it (by filling it with tithe and home offering payers) and we had four people living in it before it was taken over.

Pop put in a good recommendation for you to go to Bible School but it is wholly up to Bro. Davis who enrolls.

You pray, and before it is time for you to reenlist or get out, contact Bro. Davis and let him know your desires. God knows. - Much has been said about my reasons for not going to bible school but in the end, I am glad that I never went. If Mom and Pop couldn't influence rwd to allow me to go to bs than it just wasn't meant to happen. I've had losers from the ntcc come on my face book page and tell me that I didn't go because I wanted to stay in the Army. Well guess what? When I came up for re-enlistment, rodger wilson davis was in Colorado Springs destroying another relationship that I was involved in. At the time I was in love with one lady, Angela; and I asked rwd if I could attend bible school and was shot down, and told how much God could use me in the military. I was an E-6 with 7 years in service. She however was encouraged to leave our relationship and go to bs to become an unaccredited preacher's wife. You be the judge. Is there a difference in being encouraged and being told or manipulated? Is there a difference in disobeying an admonishment from the Cult Leader or disobeying a direct order from the so called "man of God"?

Is there any doubt that the ntcc is a cult? Does all this seem like normal behavior for a normal church and it's normal leaders? Does any of this seem Christlike? The bible says, "Forbid not to marry". Once again davis's actions put him on the wrong side of the word of God.

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The Celibacy Policy or "Forbidding To Marry"

Part 2:  The Celibacy Policy or "Forbidding To Marry"

Part 1:  My Life And Times With ntcc:  or "Why I Left The ntcc"

Part 3:  Homosexual 'Pastors' In The ntcc; Names Included

Part 4:  Nichelle Tieman's Adultery and Lying:  NOT_Overseer Material

During our years as members of the cult called ntcc, there were many doctrines preached and rules enforced that we went along with out of fear and misunderstanding. Now years later we find that many of the teachings of the ntcc rules are not backed by scripture; but we and many others followed and obeyed these teachings out of fear and misguided zeal for what we thought was "the only true doctrine in the land".

The leaders, pastors, and board members would subtly introduce these rules [now claimed to be 'policies']  at times while preaching salvation; and other times they would boldly preach these rules as scripture, with reckless abandon, not concerned with whom they hurt, or whom they ran off. There is a sickness in the ntcc and among its leadership that compels them to preach Christ crucified and get people genuinely saved and hungering for God; only so that they can indoctrinate them with control policies; and shape them into what best suits ntcc purposes. The #1 goal of r w davis is to convert servants of Christ into servants of RWD. The biggest mistake that we as Christians made in the ntcc is thinking that because we were saved while attending the ntcc, that the ntcc had to be right in their doctrine and 'policies'. "If God saved me here, how could they possibly be wrong?" What makes this so perverse is that it's all done because of money.

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Tim 2:15

The #1 goal of r w davis is to convert servants of Christ into servants of RWD.

We are going to compare ntcc's rules, [now called 'policies' and enforced with dire consequences visited on those who don't obey the rules] with the scripture and "rightly divide the word of truth". We also are going to ask for the millionth time if these rules were right all along why are they now being changed and renamed as 'policies'? Is God still the same? Did the Holy Ghost lie to r w davis when he preached these things to us?

The celibacy policy is where the ntcc forbids marriage.

It is the ntcc's doctrine of matchmaking and forcing members to live in celibacy.

We are not advocating fornication or adultery or child molestation like the ntcc does!

Forced Celibacy or Forbidding to Marry by Forbidding Dating Thru Match-Making Rules:
The first policy rule that we are going to look at is the celibacy policy rule where the ntcc forbids marriage. Let's see if we can find some scriptures that support the ntcc's doctrine of matchmaking and forcing members to live in celibacy.

First of all, we are not advocating fornication or adultery or child molestation as is advocated by the ntcc. michael c kekel has never come out and denied his child molestation of tanya davis when she was a young teen [minor/jailbait] and he was in his early twenties [adult/pedophile].  Therefore we believe the witness of Vic Johanson in previous posts on Jeff's blog and this blog. Vic has no reason to lie and MCK has every reason in the world to cover it up.

Here's what the scripture says; now lets honestly try to rightly divide the word of truth as we read:

Now lets honestly try to RIGHTLY divide the word of truth as we read what the scripture says; and, please, no 'private interpretations' or 'secret revelations'...

"Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband." 1 Cor 7:2
"For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that."
"I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I."
"But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn." 1 Cor 7:7-9
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;"
"Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;"
"Forbidding to marry, [and commanding] to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth." 1 Tim 4:1-3

We can find no supporting scripture that justifies what the ntcc has done to many of its members... forbidding single men from talking to single women ... forbidding them to date and thus forbidding them to marry.  That contradicts God's word!

These are just a few scriptures that we have taken five minutes to look up. Rightly dividing these words of truth, we can find no supporting scripture that justifies what the ntcc has done to many of its members. We welcome anyone from the ntcc that can find a scripture without twisting it, that supports their practice of forbidding single men from talking to single women, or forbidding them to date, thereby forbidding them to marry. Please:  no 'private interpretations' or 'secret revelations'.


Let The Dead Bury Their Dead:

While my mother was terminally ill, various ntcc leaders put pressure on me to stay in their works so they would have one faithful tithe payer bringing in more income to their works... They used God as an excuse when they told me that "They had prayed; and God wanted me to help them."

They had no consideration for me or my mother; but instead ntcc's stance was, "Let the dead bury their dead."

In 1989, I was stationed in Camp Humphreys, Korea, and helped Rev. L. C. Barnes start a church. In one short year we had about 30 members; and as Rev. Barnes was getting ready to PCS, ntcc sent Tom and Rachel Wright over to run this servicemen's home. We had about 4 people (including myself) that moved into the home and a handful of tithe payers attending church regularly. I had invited many of the members out to church and was very involved and invested in the work.

In October, I went on leave to attend a conference in the States. While on leave, I visited my parents and found out that my mother had cancer. She asked me if I could stay home with her and help. At first I said no; because I felt that God wanted me in Korea; but only because I was so brainwashed at the time, that I believed the constantly repeated ntcc mantra "let the dead bury their dead" doctrine.

Althouth that is part of the scripture, the ntcc twisted or wrested that scripture.  It was often used by the ntcc to separate people from their families and loved ones just to keep the tithes coming into ntcc coffers.

Mystical Manipulation:  "We Prayed About It.  God Wants You Here."

While at home in Denver, I was attending ntcc services in Colorado Springs and commuting 140 miles round trip just about every day.

1. The Tiemans were in Colorado Springs; and they told me that they had prayed; and God wanted me to help them.
2. I would talk to the Wrights on the phone; and they felt that God wanted me there; and that the home in Korea depended on me. 

Is God double-minded?  No.  Clearly both the Tiemans and the Wrights were using mystical manipulation on me, claiming they had the 'mind of God'.  Rubbish.  They were just using me.

Finally, David Tieman (Sr.) called r. w. davis and told him that the Wrights were pressuring me to go back to Korea; and the Tiemans wanted me to put in for a compassionate reassignment in Colorado. RWD told Tieman to have me "Pray about it." and do what God wanted me to do.  That was davis' way of washing his hands of everyone's attempt to mystically manipulate me into staying with them and paying their bills while blaming God, saying, "We prayed about it; God wants you here."

I eventually made the decision to stay in Colorado Springs; and the Army attached me to Fitzsimons Army Medical Center in Denver, pending compassionate reassignment.  Although this was the easy thing to do at the time, it was a sacrifice; because I really wanted to return to Korea and help the work I had started with Rev. Barnes; but after much pressure from all around, I decided to stay in Colorado.

Sexual Temptation Worsened by the Celibacy Rule Forbidding To Marry:

During this time, Nichelle Tieman began to make sexual advances toward me while David Tieman (Sr.) was locked up in his room, "studying God's word". If ntcc did not have their twisted rule forbidding to marry, I would probably have already been married and living in my own home with my own wife.  But ntcc's celibacy rule had already struck major blows against my attempts to seek a normal marital relationship.

Prior to this, I had been denied by two (2) previous pastor's the "privilege of talking to" two other sisters; simply because they were earmarked for bible school! I was 25 years old and the whole celibacy policy rule was not working for me. I did not have the gift of celibacy that the Apostle Paul was speaking of in I Corinthians, chapter 7.

ntcc's celibacy rule is a direct violation of God's word found here:

1 Cr 7:2  Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

If ntcc did not contradict God's Word and have this twisted doctrine, I would have had my own wife and place to stay; I never would have been around for such temptations.  Instead, I was forced to live in celibacy, in a servicemen's home, where the apparently unfulfilled or insatiable 'pastor's wife' would make constant advances towards me.

Nichelle Tieman would rub up against me inappropriately with her breasts and rear end when nobody was around. I almost committed adultery with her but was convicted after inappropriately touching her one evening. After that night, I started rejecting her sexual advances. One morning she came down to my room in the home and knocked on my door. She said that her husband was at work; and she "wanted to lay with me". I rejected that advance and many others.  I also remember her telling me that she loved another brother; he was a worker named Rev. Rice.  She said she would marry him if anything ever happened to her husband David Tieman (Sr.).

Shortly after this, I had invited Ange to church. We were young, the same age, single, Christians and really attracted to each other. She "got right in" and started paying tithe and giving home offerings, even though she didn't live in the home. By ntcc standards that meant she was "really saved" or a Christian. I really believed God was blessing me and her, and that we'd be married and spend the rest of our happy lives together.  But that didn't happen, thanks to the ntcc's celibacy rule and nichelle tieman's lying.

Meanwhile, in Colorado, I commuted back and forth from Denver, where my mother was dying, to Colorado Springs, where the servicemen's home was located.  I did this for about 6 months, many times without missing any ntcc services, soul winning, prayer meetings, or events.   My Mom, who was already saved, had attended church service at ntcc one night, when james ross  ashmore was preaching.  She said that she had never in her life met anyone as cold as he was.   She came to church a few times; and my younger brother also came out to some services.

My mother died in 1990. When I got the call about my Mom, I was in the Tieman's living room. I told the Tieman's that my mom had went home to be with the Lord.

Nichelle Tieman said, "Your mother wasn't saved; if she was, she would have attended our services regularly and adhered to our holiness standards."

Nichelle might as well have hit me in the head with a club! I was shocked and furious inside!

I remembered back to when I was 8 years old; I used to roll joints for my mom. I remembered when she used to drink and bring home strange men. I also remembered when my Mom started going to an Assembly of God Church and got saved and stopped drinking and drugs and had Christ in her life. She was certainly saved by the grace of God and had the fruits of the Holy Spirit in her life!

Around this time, I called Pop Gaylord and told him what Nichelle was doing and confessed my role in it. He relayed the info to r. w. davis; within a week rdub came through to assess the situation. He decided to remove the Tieman's from the work in Colorado Springs and sent them to Portland, Oregon.

While he was there, Nichelle told davis that Ange felt like she was 'called' to go to Bible School; which was an outright lie. At this time Ange and I were talking about marriage. From this point on Ange felt pressured to go to bs and eventually went.

This 'little lie' that Nichelle told would ruin two marriages for Ange. One that should have happened; and one that never should have happened. This would also trigger 7 more years of celibacy in my life and an eventual decision to leave not only the ntcc, but also God.

I often asked myself what I had done to deserve this treatment. After making one of the biggest decisions of my life to stay, help, and support this cult called the New Testament Christian Church in Colorado Springs, they caused this miscarriage of justice! I was giving more than 10% tithe, offerings, home offerings, building fund pledges, world missions pledges, attending all services and functions, rejecting sexual advances by Nichelle Tieman, bringing dozens of people to church every month, commuting thousands of miles to help my terminally ill mother; and I loved God and the Tiemans in spite of what they had done and what was going on. But this was my 'reward'?   I wish I could say that this was an isolated instance; but it is not.

The ntcc often referred to itself as "the last hope for a lost and dying world". But instead of bringing hope, they were crushing it. Instead of saving the lost, they were driving Christians away from God.

These blogs are full of stories of cruel injustices committed by the ntcc, of lives that have been devastated, of families that have been torn apart, and of people that ntcc has used up, rejected, and sent back out into 'the world' to start their lives over with nothing.  All their finances have gone to the ntcc.  All their family ties have been broken from those who don't attend ntcc.  They have no careers or pensions or insurance or future.  They have to start life over, from scratch, with no support system.  Even their life-long ntcc friends and family will forsake them, treating them as if leaving ntcc equals leaving God.  The borg treats them as reprobates.  It's sad and so needless.

We write these things not because of hatred or revenge, but to warn people, and to let others know that they are not alone in their suffering, and, if possible, to trigger repentance.

These are not lies, but rather facts; that can be verified by two or more witnesses; and, above all, God knows all about it. The same ones that call us reprobates are the ones that have abused their salvation - if they ever had it - and will have to answer for it. We will continue to be a voice of truth that tells you the true story - a different story than that which the ntcc has to share.

We implore everyone that is involved with this cult to take a closer look and escape with what's left of your life. If you are thinking about attending, do your homework first.

• Study cults and their tactics.
• Learn about mind control.
• See how cult leaders use it to control every aspect of your life.
• Study the bible.
• See if you can find examples of Jesus or his followers destroying peoples' lives with unbiblical policies such as the celibacy policy of forbidding to marry.
• Use the ntcc's own standards to decide if they are a 'bible believing church' that follows Jesus' examples of love and temperance. 

But if you find they act like a cult, well... "If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and waddles like a duck, it's probably a duck!"  SO....

If it looks like a cult, talks like a cult, and changes rules like a cult, it's probably a cult!

Related Posts:

Don's Story [Click Link To See All His Posts In A Mobile View]

Part 2:  The Celibacy Policy:  or "Forbidding To Marry"

Part 1:  My Life and Times In The ntcc:  "Why I Left The ntcc"

Part 3:  Homosexual 'Pastors' In The ntcc: Names Included

Part 4:  Nichelle Tieman's Adultery and Lying:  NOT_Overseer Material


Coming Up: The ntcc Adultery or Divorce on Demand Policy:


Crossing The Line:  Part 1 of Adultery On Demand

Spouse Swapping:   Part 2 of Divorce On Demand 

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A) Sounds Like A True Description Of The ntcc.

B) ntcc Sounds Like A Cult.

C) I Read This Post.

D) ntcc encourages sexual impropriety by forbidding marriages, tempting people to sin since they are not "allowed" by ntcc leaders to get married or even date or talk to other single people.

E) ntcc often requires members to do things that have no biblical basis, like forbidding single people from talking to each other.

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"F" I'm afraid to be caught commenting on this blog.

G) Glad To Be Out of ntcc.

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"H" ntcc manipulates who marries whom by controlling who is "allowed" to talk with whom. As a result, ntcc controls who does and does not get married.

I) I'm Thinking Of Leaving ntcc

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"J" ntcc has ruined my chances of marrying and dating someone I liked just because ntcc has weird man-made rules.

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