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A safe place for Xers to share their stories and heal.

A place to learn what it's really like in the ntcc founded by Rodger Wilson Davis;
and run by his son-in-law, Michael Craig Kekel,
the father of the one vasectomy-rule-exception kid in ntcc, Grant Davison Kekel.

Ezekiel 12:11

Say, I 'am' your sign: like as I have done, so shall it be done unto them: they shall remove 'and' go into captivity.

He Loves A House More Than God: Bonco Mansions of kekel (l) and davis (r)

He Loves A House More Than God:  Bonco Mansions of kekel (l) and davis (r)
"He loves a house more than God:" *Bonco* Mansions of kekel (l) and davis (r). Meanwhile, on the mission field: ntcc Missionaries to the Philippines "Rev. and Sis. Mackert ... found a place, 9 feet by 14 feet [9'x14'] and one bathroom. It is on the 6th floor and there is no elevator. The last place they had stayed, they had to share a common bathroom with the other tenants! Yikes! This place has their very own private bathroom, although the Rev. shared there is no seat on the throne, and no way to attach one…." from The Devonshire Files Sunday, May 28, 2006 Visit from the Mackerts (5/06). ** Should you know where the money ($$$$$) goes? **

Jesus In The Temple

Matt 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, Matt 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Gal. 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Skip To Blue Letter Bible Search Tool

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Sunday, June 12, 2011

Let Them Go or The Mass Exodus

 ...the LORD said unto Moses ...
 stand before Pharaoh ...
 and say unto him,
 Let my people go. 
On June 6th we found this great material on mck's blog entitled "Letting Go".  We thought it seemed fitting due to the recent exodus from the ntcc to post this "stuff"quoting one anonymous ntcc'r who wrote, "Wow, good stuff"!  This is material that was borrowed from T.D. Jakes.   The following two paragraphs are excerpts:

"There are people who can walk away from you. And hear me when I tell you this! When people can walk away from you: let them walk. I don't want you to try to talk another person into staying with you, loving you, calling you, caring about you, coming to see you, staying attached to you. I mean hang up the phone. When people can walk away from you let them walk. Your destiny is never tied to anybody that left."
"Let me tell you something.. . I've got the gift of good-bye. It's the tenth spiritual gift, I believe in good-bye.. . It's not that I'm hateful, it's that I'm faithful, and I know whatever God means for me to have He'll give it to me. And if it takes too much sweat I don't need it. Stop begging people to stay. Let them go.

We re-titled it "Let Them Go or The Mass Exodus" because it seemed good to the Holy Ghost; and because we can.  It also seems very fitting due to recent information of long time preachers in good standing leaving what is correctly termed as an organization.  It could be called a church but seems to be less and less the body of Christ than it ever was considered to be.  It is a family run business that is starting to crumble as projected by it's founder; that stated on numerous occasions that "History shows that a holiness organization only lasts 30 to 40 years; and then enters compromise."

As mck quoting T.D. Jakes, said:  "And if it takes too much sweat I don't need it.  Stop begging people to stay.  Let them go".  How many times have we heard this?  Let them go.  You want to leave?  There's the door.  If you walk out that door, we are not coming after you.  Don't knock on brother so and so's door any more; he has chosen not to be a brother.  God doesn't need them; or, God doesn't need you.  God can build his church without them or without you.  Sound familiar?

We've heard many reports lately of people leaving; and to be honest we probably have more accurate info on this than most ntcc'rs.  I recently heard that the Dorsie's left two years ago.  There's probably more people in the Xer community that know this than there are in the ntcc; because they are not allowed to speak of such things.  We have heard that attendance in Graham is down to 1/2 of what it has been; and churches in that area have been consolidated.  Most of this is old news; but it's kept from many on the inside; because they are a cult; and they know if they are truthful and honest about these things that many, many more will leave.  If you are an ntcc'r and you want to know what's going on in your organization,  just follow the blogs; and you will see people commenting on these blogs that you thought were still in.!

Most people that are hanging on for dear life do so out of fear.  They equate leaving the ntcc with burning in the lake of fire for eternity.  That fear is the mortar that holds the ntcc bricks together.  When people see compromise they realize that the ntcc has changed; and they know that God is not supposed to change.  That fear that keeps them in the ntcc begins to crumble like bad mortar.  Of course there are many that would follow mck and rwd to the Red Sea.

Moses said, "Let my people go" and Pharaoh hardened his heart.  What will it take for rwd and mck to follow those that are leaving in mass exodus down to the Red Sea?  They want slaves; but most men desire freedom.  Many are rising to the occasion and leaving the ntcc.   Yes we have heard reports of a mass exodus; and while it is sad that the ntcc could have been something great and wonderful, it has been reduced to these three words: "Let them go".  



What about all the sweat and labor it took to reach them?  Doesn't matter, it wasn't their sweat.  Let them go.  What about the men and women that have been a part of your program for decades?  Let them go.  What about people that have given tens of thousands of dollars to the ntcc out of love for God?  Let them go.  What about those who cleaned your house on weekends, washed and waxed your expensive cars and Motor homes, and cleaned the sanctuary of God for you?  Let them go.  What about those that have attended every stinking church service you ever had for year after year after year?  Let them go.  What about those that have physically given everything they could to build your empire, and remodel your buildings for peanuts so that you could sit on escrows of more than a quarter million dollars?  Let them go.  What about those that have preached sermon after sermon, run servicemen's homes, and were missionaries in foreign lands?  Let them go!

It sounds to me like you would be doing them all a favor if you would let everyone go worship God in the wilderness!  Because what you are doing to them now is destructive and wasteful.  Why don't you be honest with the ntcc congregation and tell them all of the deeds you have done.  Why don't you tell them where the money is going?  Why don't you tell them where the people are going?   Why don't you tell them that holiness was never a doctrine that was intended to bring them closer to God; but it was used to control their lives and their pocket books.  Why don't you tell people where God has gone?  Why don't you tell them why God has changed?  Why don't you tell them why God's word has changed?  You brought about these changes.  Why will you not have the decency to tell them?

The ntcc is a sinking ship!  And we hope that people will escape before it is too late.  People are hell-bent on defending the ntcc leadership unto death.  Doesn't matter what we say; or who leaves.  It doesn't matter what the leadership does; the members will believe a lie.  If olson says that stealing a paperclip from work is a sin, how can he justify the misappropriation of so much money in the ntcc?  It never ends!  And it never will until people wise up and wake up.  The ntcc has twisted the rules for years and years now for whatever purpose suits their needs;  and people go along with it.  We will continue to speak out against them.  You can call us bitter if you want to.  We have been accused of ruining peoples lives.  I submit to you that if the truth that we speak causes anyone grief, which we hope it does, it also causes people to see the hypocrisy that they are living in.  If people see that their leaders are hypocrites that frees them up to make more responsible decisions regarding their own futures.  We implore the ntcc leadership to continue pushing them away and to "Let them go".

Thursday, June 9, 2011

Nichelle Tieman's Adultery and Lying Revisited: NOT_Overseer Material

In a previous post titled "The Celibacy Policy" or {Forbidding to Marry, Part Two of Don's Story}, Don shared how Nichelle Tieman repeatedly tried to seduce him to have sex with her, rubbing her breasts and rear end up against him, and coming to Don's room when David Tieman, Sr. was at work, trying to convince Don to "lay with" her.  We also shared how Don reported that years of forced celibacy in the ntcc, brought on by ntcc pastors interfering and  telling women not to talk to Don and telling Don not to talk to women, helped Don give in to this temptation.  Though Nichelle and Don did not have intercourse, there was inappropriate touching going on.  


As Don shared in another thread titled "Homosexual 'Pastors' in the ntcc: Names Included"  {Part Three of Don's Story}, he had already been sexually abused by three homosexual ntcc pastors.  This abuse of authority, coupled with long years of forced celibacy made Nichelle Tieman's forward advances seem appealing at first.  In Don's words:  "At first I welcomed these advances because they made me feel like a man is supposed to feel and that is masculine."  Of course the Holy Ghost continued to convict him; and Don repented of this sin.  After praying for forgiveness, Don called Pop Gaylord and told him of his involvement with Nichelle Tieman, who had also told Don that she loved another brother, Rev. Rice, and if anything happened to her husband, David Tieman Sr., Rice was the one she would marry.  Pop Gaylord called davis and r w got on a plane to visit Colorado Springs.  


From the moment davis got off the plane at the airport, (Ange was there with the Tiemans to pick up rdub at the airport) until the day he left, r w 's demeanor was mean, gruff, condescending and condemning.  davis screamed out the 'message' "What's in YOUR books?", which really was a message for r w davis that he pitchforked onto everyone else without applying it to his own adulterous self.  Hmmn.  


Afterwards, in the kitchen, Nichelle Tieman lied and told r w davis that Ange wanted to go to bible school.  If you know anything about ntcc, you know what a nail in the relationship-coffin that was.  Don was not going to bible school.  So in ntcc this made Ange off-limits to Don.  Not only that; but Don had wanted to go to bible school and unforgiving - but - guilty - himself -  davis had not "allowed it" even though Pop Gaylord gave Don a good recommendation to go. (See "Letters From The Past", {Part One}  for proof of Pop Gaylord's good recommendation, in Mom Gaylord's own handwriting.)  Talk about a twisted diabolical scheme to keep Don living a forced life of celibacy!  Three different ntcc pastors told him or a woman he was talking to they should not be talking!  Then this lie by nichelle tieman, the adulteress!  Forcing the ntcc rule-induced separation of Don and Ange; just because nichelle lied; and davis did not "allow" Don to go to the bible school.  Why?  


Even davis knew that Don is a good brother.  In davis' own words to Don:  "I [rw] never saw the devil fight anyone as hard as he fights you [Don]".  It was also at this time that davis told Don:  "I know what happened with you [Don] and [hummel and  rudy, and the rejected advances from broadnax the homosexual pastors] was NOT MUTUAL [Don did not want homosexuality.]  But, [davis continued] I think THIS [Don's involvement with nichelle tieman] WAS MUTUAL."  Ya think?  Seven years of not even being able to talk to a woman does wear down a brother who does not have the 'gift' of celibacy!  Of course he's going to be tempted even if it was Nichelle Tieman doing the tempting.  


Why did  Nichelle approach a single brother to meet her sexual needs?  At a conference in Missouri Nichelle was telling a room full of women how bad her husband David Tieman Sr. was in bed.  She was doing it in her usual scornful manner of speaking.  If you know Nichelle, you know what we are talking about:  How she makes fun of people constantly, including her own biological brother....  In that room were church members, bible school students, and ministers' wives.  Let them come on here and say that these things we share are true; because they were there and saw and heard it too.  In fact, this incident was the reason why davis, the very next day, stopped "letting" people fellowship in the rooms at the campground!  Additionally, many people have shared how horrible the Tiemans were as overseers because of their rude, sanctimonious, holier-than-thou behavior.

That brings us to the heart of the matter. The Tiemans (Nichelle and David Sr.) can not even keep their own house in order. They should NEVER be set up as Overseers to tell others how to do ANYTHING.


To date Nichelle has never apologized to Don or Ange for her adultery and lying. This indicates her lack of repentance (impenitent).   The bible says to rebuke openly before all, that others may fear. It says to not suffer a brother to sin.  People may not like the truth; but eXposing the truth is the only way to affect repentance. The ntcc would rather lift up Nichelle and David Sr. in pride and could care less that they are impenitent. As one anonymous poster shared on Jeff Collin's blog:

Anonymous said...
Jeff, then why is the woman that this man mentioned by name one of the leaders in ntcc?
I don't know but they are going to churches and preaching around and are seen as leaders for the ntcc, if I'm not mistaken her husband is in the board of ntcc, while real men and women like the John and Rebecca Rodrigues in the phillipines are just put on the back burner so to speak.
Is that what you have to do to belong to the board? Wow and wow!!!


These things ought not to be so.  Nichelle should repent of her adultery and lying; David Sr. should repent of his lack of meeting his wife's sexual needs. Or else David Tieman Sr. should step down from the board of the ntcc and relinquish his Overseer status.  They really are not qualified.  Just ask those who have had to endure the Tiemans coming to town on their broom  in their recreational vehicle.
  
NOT nichelle tieman; but it does
evoke memories of her actions...

The ntcc wants to disregard the bible commandment concerning Overseers found in 1 Tim 3:15: 

For if a man know not how to rule his own house, 
how shall he take care of the church of God?

That's what the bible says, people.  That is what God expects.  So how about it ntcc?  Perhaps the real reason the Tiemans have been allowed to advance is because they are not the only ones with unrepented-of sins.  Perhaps the very top 'leaders' of the ntcc have impenitent hearts and seek others who have skeletons in the closet to share the board room (or bedroom) with them.  Something to think about.  Perhaps the top ntcc leaders themselves do not know how to rule their own houses and as such should not take care of the church of God!


Update:  From the comments section on this post:

Anonymous said...
Somebody was telling some years back that when the tiemans were in denver pastoring a church, they used to invite the members of thier church to come to their house and enjoy the spa that ms. tieman had found for free in the newspaper. They used to have a blast when the tiemans were pastoring there.
NOw with this info about how ms. tieman behaved with don, it is so telling what were the intentions of nichelle bringing their members to enjoy their "blessing" (spa)
1 NCO 2 Another said...
Yeah, it's as obvious as when nichelle purposely pushed Don into the water from the paddle boat that they were in on a small pond at a park near the ntcc servicemen's home in Colorado Springs (Ft. Carson) on Circle. Drive.

nichelle wanted to flirt and get a good look at Don in his wet clingy clothes. I was there and saw the whole thing. nichelle's oblivious husband david tieman sr. was there too and saw the whole thing. I could not believe my eyes! I could see very plainly that she was flirting with / coming on to Don. Is david tieman sr. that dumb or did he just not care who nichelle was throwing herself at? It really was freaky.

Of course now we all know the rest of the story with Don.

And now thanks to your post we see that this was a pattern of bad behavior exhibited by nichelle tieman. A spa? Seriously? In a HOLINESS preacher's house?

I guess the Lord really does "use that jacuzzi in mysterious ways".

Here's a link to a video that says it all:



Shaking my head. You know, I'm starting to wonder if david tieman sr. is a little gay himself? I mean; come on? How many times does your wife have to throw herself at other men to try and get your attention? Are you gay, dave? Or is nichelle some kind of nymphomaniac that you just can't keep up with her? Or do you both just need some good old fashioned counseling from a real counselor, not davis the blabber mouth who WILL air your private business from the pulpit if it suits him; (as he has boasted that he does do that.... And we've all seen and heard it too!)

I just don't get it; why do you want to continue in sin? Lying to yourselves about who you are and what you want. Why not just go out and be REAL bad girls or bad boys and quit pretending?

Or better still, why not go to the cross and really get a touch of salvation and healing from Jesus Christ the Merciful?

Are you really that proud that you'd rather go to hell for halfway-living in sin?

You don't have to. Repentance is one prayer away. Forgiveness is yours for the asking.

(Don and) Ange
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