Would Jesus Wear A Rolex? What Would Jesus Do?

Here in our little corner of cyberspace we blog about our experiences in the ntcc; and we share stories of what we have endured and what others have endured as members of a destructive cult, the New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc.  NTCC / NTCCA.  The average person, who has no experience in a cult, probably doesn't understand much of what we write.  To the 'leaders' of the ntcc, these blogs are a threat.  The members of the ntcc that follow these 'leaders', are warned not to frequent our blogs.  These faithful followers of men are told that we eX-members of ntcc, the Xers, are "evil" and "full of hate".  But that just ain't so.  And,  despite these worthless warnings, there are many people 'IN' the ntcc that want to hear what we have to say; and they read or follow the Xer  blogs.  Many times people have looked at what we do as hateful, unnecessary, and evil, saying that we are "bitter" and "need to get on" with our lives.  That's just more of the loaded cult jargon they have been programmed to regurgitate.    There are many who anonymously insult and try to refute us.  They do so anonymously; because they don't want to get caught participating on a blog that speaks out against the ntcc and because they have been ordered to stay off the blogs.  There disobedience to unlawful orders is encouraging.  We were once a part of this group.  We know that once they start reading the blogs, it is just a matter of time (on average 7 years), and they too will be blogging against the ntcc false doctrines and fake religious 'leaders'.  We understand.  We are here to share the truth with people so that they don't make the same mistakes that we did.  Instead, they can free themselves from the ntcc bondage and enjoy Christianity without legalistic leeches pumping them from the pulpit for more cash to fund the insatiable appetites of the materialistic ntcc 'leaders'.

Spending years of your life in a cult is a mistake of disastrous proportions.  This is very hard to see when you are a member of a church that proclaims they are "the last hope for a lost and dying world"; and you are convinced that the ntcc is God's only church.  Obviously we are the last people that someone in the ntcc would want to listen to; because we have been demonized by the ntcc leadership as God haters and reprobates.  We are not here to try to get you to stop serving God or to tell you how to live.  And, because our credibility has been damaged by the ntcc in the eyes of many that read, we ask you not to believe us, but to believe the bible.  We ask you to take a look at the words and actions of Jesus, and the disciples who followed him, and the people whose lives were touched by him.  Try to put aside your bias and everything you've heard about us and just compare the ntcc with the New Testament Church found in God's word.  A common teaching in many churches to include the ntcc is to ask the question what would Jesus do?  Let's look at what Jesus did and what the ntcc is doing.

Jesus did not seek wealth nor did he live in luxury.

Mat 19:21  "Jesus said unto him, if thou wilt be perfect, go and sell what thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me".

r w davis covets a Rolex 
 Presidential on sale for 
$18000 regularly $21000 
with diamonds,  rubies, &
so much more (than yours)
because that's how it is 'in'
YOUR  ntcc! *Give! Give!*
 I wouldn't even give r .w. 
 davis the time of day, much 
 less Another Rolex Watch! 
 He already conned you schlubs 
 (like I was) out of one Rolex! 
rdub, it's time to stop 
 robbing the churches 
 for your private benefit! 
 Get a REAL job! 

Would Jesus Wear A Rolex by Ray Stevens? on YouTube


The ntcc is supposedly a non-profit; but the leadership has benefited financially. Did you know that the borg buys a new Cadillac every year for R W Davis and the Board Members cars are also purchased by the NTCC?  Did you know that the Kekel's have been seen driving around in very expensive cars?  Did you know that RWD is trying to get ministers to take up a collection to buy him a Presidential Rolex watch at the price of nearly $20,000.00?  Did you know that most of the ministers in the ntcc have no health or life insurance policies; because they can't afford them.  And for years ntcc 'preached' against insurance for the non-board members. Most ministers in ntcc have very little or no savings of any kind; but much of the money that they did have has gone to support the selfish and materialistic life styles of the so-called 'spiritual' 'leaders' of the ntcc. Did you know that most ministers in the ntcc put everything they have into the churches they are assigned to in hopes of reaching the lost?  Meanwhile most of their tithe dollars end up in Graham, WA, supporting the luxurious life styles of the rich and infamous 'leaders' they follow.  Does any of this sound like behavior that you would find in the first four books of the New Testament?  You know; the red letter section of the bible?  What would Jesus do?  Do you realize how far these 'leaders' are from doing what Jesus would have done?

Mat 8:20   "The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the son of man hath not where to lay his head."

The ntcc is supposed to be a Christian church; and Christ often spoke of helping the poor.  ntcc preaches against helping the poor!  They teach their ministers "We don't do that."  It's even part of their doctrinal statement.  davis has lectured not to bring the homeless or poor to church, saying "You don't build a church that way!"  Also, did you know that the ntcc has no known charities that they give to?   And the borg 'leaders' are completely unaccountable to anyone as to where money actually goes?  Did you know that the ntcc has taken up offerings for specific purposes and spent that money on other things without being transparent?  Receiving money under false pretenses is illegal.  Do you really know where all of your World Missions dollars are going or have gone?  Do you trust somebody that requires you to give until it hurts while they have sacrificed nothing?  What has Kekel ever sacrificed?  Do you see a pattern here?  Do you really think that Jesus is pleased with this?

Lego The Good Samaritan
YouTube

Mat 23:3   All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Jesus and his followers were real.  They warned of hypocrites that would come and pervert the word of God.  Jesus warned us of people that would talk a good show; but their works would be contrary to their speech.  Did you know that RWD and Kekel have required much more of their followers than what they are willing to live themselves?  Did you know that many ministers in the ntcc have not sought higher education and that they have restricted their own children from educational opportunities while Kekel's son and RWD's Grandson has been attending the most prestigious private schools, academies and colleges in the country, on your dime?  Did you know that many of you that have deprived your children of their futures by not allowing them to participate in activities such as sports, have taken money that could have gone towards your own child's college education and given it to the ntcc so they could spend it on Grant Kekel's future?  Here is a small list of the fraction of rules that the ntcc has required of you, but they themselves have broken these rules, because they say and do not.

devilvision ^.".^

1.  Watching TV used to be a sin and was preached against.  The Television was referred to as the Devil-vision.  Kekel allowed his son to watch DVD movies on his computer monitor; and now many preachers have favorite movies listed on their facebook pages.  RWD told MDR to turn his hotel TV around; so he could watch it.  This after years of preaching against TV!  They say and do not.

sinner-net 

2.  The internet was referred to as the Sinnernet.  The internet was preached against; and people were blasted for surfing the Web.  People were falsely accused of looking at porn so the ntcc could keep people offline.   But now the ntcc runs many blogs and websites; they are on FaceBook and Twitter.  They use the internet for damage control to contradict our blogs that expose them for what they are:  Hypocrites who preach against the very things they do and demand that others do what they won't (like soul-winning).  They say, and do not.

3.  Women have been told that they are supposed to be in subjection to their husbands; that they are not to have jobs; and that they are not to usurp authority over men.  Tanya Kekel has a job that involves usurping authority over bible school students; and women overseas have been told to get jobs to help support their husbands' ministries!  I guess God was not able to provide.  They say and do not.  

4.  Women are not allowed to wear make up while the Executive Board members' wives wear foundation to cover their rosie cheeks and wrinkled faces.  Many women were brought to tears because they were blasted for wearing make-up.  They say and they do not.

5.  Jewelry was preached against and forbidden to the average church member while many of the Pastors in the ntcc were prodding their church members to buy them 7 diamond cluster pinky rings and Rolex watches while Board members' wives would wear broaches and trinkets on their clothing and shoes.  Can you see the hypocrisy?  What would Jesus do?  I guarantee you that he wouldn't be hanging around folks like RWD and Kekel.

We could go on and on and write volumes on this subject.  We hope that you would take an honest look at what the ntcc leaders are all about.  Search the scriptures and see if you can find examples of the excess that we see in Graham.  None of the apostles lived in excess and what we see in the ntcc is contrary to the Word of God.  There are many people who have left the ntcc who have realized they were in a cult.  Where double standards exist, you will find profiteering.  Where rules are enforced by those who themselves disregard them, you will find hypocrisy.  Tell me that Jesus would condone this.  Somebody please come on this blog and tell me that Jesus is pleased with the ntcc and what they have become.  Show some examples of how the ntcc leadership has sacrificed and helped the poor and done the things that Christ would do.  They are hearers of the word and not doers.  They are like whited sepulchures which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are dead men's bones.  They take advantage of your good nature and Christianity and have used it to become wealthy.  

Next time you have questions about the sincerity for your leaders, just ask, What would Jesus do?  Next time you get raked over the coals for something that is not in the bible, see if you can find a precedent in the New Testament that supports it.  It's really simple.  Did Jesus care what people looked like?  He preached against what the Pharisees wore (long robes, broadened Phylacteries), but didn't tell people what to wear.  Don't let some hypocrite dictate standards to you.  If it's in the bible trust it, if it's not in the bible, ask yourself, is this something that Jesus would require?  What would Jesus do?

Nichelle Tieman's Adultery and Lying Revisited: NOT_Overseer Material

In a previous post titled "The Celibacy Policy" or {Forbidding to Marry, Part Two of Don's Story}, Don shared how Nichelle Tieman repeatedly tried to seduce him to have sex with her, rubbing her breasts and rear end up against him, and coming to Don's room when David Tieman, Sr. was at work, trying to convince Don to "lay with" her.  We also shared how Don reported that years of forced celibacy in the ntcc, brought on by ntcc pastors interfering and  telling women not to talk to Don and telling Don not to talk to women, helped Don give in to this temptation.  Though Nichelle and Don did not have intercourse, there was inappropriate touching going on.  


As Don shared in another thread titled "Homosexual 'Pastors' in the ntcc: Names Included"  {Part Three of Don's Story}, he had already been sexually abused by three homosexual ntcc pastors.  This abuse of authority, coupled with long years of forced celibacy made Nichelle Tieman's forward advances seem appealing at first.  In Don's words:  "At first I welcomed these advances because they made me feel like a man is supposed to feel and that is masculine."  Of course the Holy Ghost continued to convict him; and Don repented of this sin.  After praying for forgiveness, Don called Pop Gaylord and told him of his involvement with Nichelle Tieman, who had also told Don that she loved another brother, Rev. Rice, and if anything happened to her husband, David Tieman Sr., Rice was the one she would marry.  Pop Gaylord called davis and r w got on a plane to visit Colorado Springs.  


From the moment davis got off the plane at the airport, (Ange was there with the Tiemans to pick up rdub at the airport) until the day he left, r w 's demeanor was mean, gruff, condescending and condemning.  davis screamed out the 'message' "What's in YOUR books?", which really was a message for r w davis that he pitchforked onto everyone else without applying it to his own adulterous self.  Hmmn.  


Afterwards, in the kitchen, Nichelle Tieman lied and told r w davis that Ange wanted to go to bible school.  If you know anything about ntcc, you know what a nail in the relationship-coffin that was.  Don was not going to bible school.  So in ntcc this made Ange off-limits to Don.  Not only that; but Don had wanted to go to bible school and unforgiving - but - guilty - himself -  davis had not "allowed it" even though Pop Gaylord gave Don a good recommendation to go. (See "Letters From The Past", {Part One}  for proof of Pop Gaylord's good recommendation, in Mom Gaylord's own handwriting.)  Talk about a twisted diabolical scheme to keep Don living a forced life of celibacy!  Three different ntcc pastors told him or a woman he was talking to they should not be talking!  Then this lie by nichelle tieman, the adulteress!  Forcing the ntcc rule-induced separation of Don and Ange; just because nichelle lied; and davis did not "allow" Don to go to the bible school.  Why?  


Even davis knew that Don is a good brother.  In davis' own words to Don:  "I [rw] never saw the devil fight anyone as hard as he fights you [Don]".  It was also at this time that davis told Don:  "I know what happened with you [Don] and [hummel and  rudy, and the rejected advances from broadnax the homosexual pastors] was NOT MUTUAL [Don did not want homosexuality.]  But, [davis continued] I think THIS [Don's involvement with nichelle tieman] WAS MUTUAL."  Ya think?  Seven years of not even being able to talk to a woman does wear down a brother who does not have the 'gift' of celibacy!  Of course he's going to be tempted even if it was Nichelle Tieman doing the tempting.  


Why did  Nichelle approach a single brother to meet her sexual needs?  At a conference in Missouri Nichelle was telling a room full of women how bad her husband David Tieman Sr. was in bed.  She was doing it in her usual scornful manner of speaking.  If you know Nichelle, you know what we are talking about:  How she makes fun of people constantly, including her own biological brother....  In that room were church members, bible school students, and ministers' wives.  Let them come on here and say that these things we share are true; because they were there and saw and heard it too.  In fact, this incident was the reason why davis, the very next day, stopped "letting" people fellowship in the rooms at the campground!  Additionally, many people have shared how horrible the Tiemans were as overseers because of their rude, sanctimonious, holier-than-thou behavior.

That brings us to the heart of the matter. The Tiemans (Nichelle and David Sr.) can not even keep their own house in order. They should NEVER be set up as Overseers to tell others how to do ANYTHING.


To date Nichelle has never apologized to Don or Ange for her adultery and lying. This indicates her lack of repentance (impenitent).   The bible says to rebuke openly before all, that others may fear. It says to not suffer a brother to sin.  People may not like the truth; but eXposing the truth is the only way to affect repentance. The ntcc would rather lift up Nichelle and David Sr. in pride and could care less that they are impenitent. As one anonymous poster shared on Jeff Collin's blog:

Anonymous said...
Jeff, then why is the woman that this man mentioned by name one of the leaders in ntcc?
I don't know but they are going to churches and preaching around and are seen as leaders for the ntcc, if I'm not mistaken her husband is in the board of ntcc, while real men and women like the John and Rebecca Rodrigues in the phillipines are just put on the back burner so to speak.
Is that what you have to do to belong to the board? Wow and wow!!!

February 09, 2011 3:36 PM

These things ought not to be so.  Nichelle should repent of her adultery and lying; David Sr. should repent of his lack of meeting his wife's sexual needs. Or else David Tieman Sr. should step down from the board of the ntcc and relinquish his Overseer status.  They really are not qualified.  Just ask those who have had to endure the Tiemans coming to town on their broom  in their recreational vehicle.
  

NOT nichelle tieman; but it does
evoke memories of her actions...

The ntcc wants to disregard the bible commandment concerning Overseers found in 1 Tim 3:15: 

For if a man know not how to rule his own house, 

how shall he take care of the church of God?

That's what the bible says, people.  That is what God expects.  So how about it ntcc?  Perhaps the real reason the Tiemans have been allowed to advance is because they are not the only ones with unrepented-of sins.  Perhaps the very top 'leaders' of the ntcc have impenitent hearts and seek others who have skeletons in the closet to share the board room (or bedroom) with them.  Something to think about.  Perhaps the top ntcc leaders themselves do not know how to rule their own houses and as such should not take care of the church of God!


Update:  From the comments section on this post:

Anonymous said...

Somebody was telling some years back that when the tiemans were in denver pastoring a church, they used to invite the members of thier church to come to their house and enjoy the spa that ms. tieman had found for free in the newspaper. They used to have a blast when the tiemans were pastoring there.
NOw with this info about how ms. tieman behaved with don, it is so telling what were the intentions of nichelle bringing their members to enjoy their "blessing" (spa)

Wednesday, September 21, 2011 4:13:00 PM

1 NCO 2 Another said...

Yeah, it's as obvious as when nichelle purposely pushed Don into the water from the paddle boat that they were in on a small pond at a park near the ntcc servicemen's home in Colorado Springs (Ft. Carson) on Circle. Drive.

nichelle wanted to flirt and get a good look at Don in his wet clingy clothes. I was there and saw the whole thing. nichelle's oblivious husband david tieman sr. was there too and saw the whole thing. I could not believe my eyes! I could see very plainly that she was flirting with / coming on to Don. Is david tieman sr. that dumb or did he just not care who nichelle was throwing herself at? It really was freaky.

Of course now we all know the rest of the story with Don.

And now thanks to your post we see that this was a pattern of bad behavior exhibited by nichelle tieman. A spa? Seriously? In a HOLINESS preacher's house?

I guess the Lord really does "use that jacuzzi in mysterious ways".

Here's a link to a video that says it all:

{Click here} The Lawd Uses That Jacuzzi (SPA) In Mysterious Ways

Shaking my head. You know, I'm starting to wonder if david tieman sr. is a little gay himself? I mean; come on? How many times does your wife have to throw herself at other men to try and get your attention? Are you gay, dave? Or is nichelle some kind of nymphomaniac that you just can't keep up with her? Or do you both just need some good old fashioned counseling from a real counselor, not davis the blabber mouth who WILL air your private business from the pulpit if it suits him; (as he has boasted that he does do that.... And we've all seen and heard it too!)

I just don't get it; why do you want to continue in sin? Lying to yourselves about who you are and what you want. Why not just go out and be REAL bad girls or bad boys and quit pretending?

Or better still, why not go to the cross and really get a touch of salvation and healing from Jesus Christ the Merciful?

Are you really that proud that you'd rather go to hell for halfway-living in sin?

You don't have to. Repentance is one prayer away. Forgiveness is yours for the asking.

(Don and) Ange

Wednesday, September 21, 2011 4:54:00 PM

Related Stories:


To See All Related Stories In Mobile View, click this label "Don's Story"


Or, to view each part alone:


1)  Why I Left The ntcc


2)  The Celibacy Policy


3)  Homosexual Pastors

NTCC Lies and Broken Promises from Deborah's Witness

February 5, 1997

Letter of Dispatch
Letter of Support

Re: Greg T. S.
508-1 Sang Yon Dong
P.O. Box 19
Tongduchun
Republic Of Korea

To Whom concerned,

This is to certify that Rev. Greg T. S. is an ordained minister in good standing with the New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. This is to further certify that Rev. Greg T. S. has been granted an appointment to Korea that he may serve as a Pastor and spiritual director of U.S. servicemen. His role as a servicemen’s director consists of providing a place of spiritual fellowship and relaxation, etc. for US servicemen. Also, New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. will be responsible for the financial support of Rev. and Mrs. Greg T. S. during their stay in Korea to include all expenses that relate to their meals and lodging.

Thanking you for your help and cooperation in this matter.

Sincerely,
//Signed//
J.R. Ashmore (Secretary)

Here’s the link to the original.

COMMENTS: I did not become an ordained minister until 2006. We never receive the promised financial support (yes, we asked).

We had to pay for all the mandatory conferences, and make up all the difference in the church bills. Again…Yes, I did ask for money from HQ (one time), citing this letter as authorization. We were told (by Rev. Olson) if the bills weren’t paid we would be replaced (or in his words...if you can’t pay the bills, your replacement will be bringing the check); this letter was just a formality to get us into the country (along with our visa, which was tourist). We had only been in Korea 6 months by this time.

Previous to this, Deborah and I were pastoring a self supporting work, we did not have to work secular jobs, liked where we were at, had brothers living in the home, and had only been there (Leesville) 9 months. Before we arrived in Korea this first time, we were told by Pastor Davis the work in Korea was self supporting, we wouldn’t have to work a secular job, and the Korean church had a sizable congregation; with brothers living in the home.

When we arrived, I was told by Rev. Stevens I had to get a secular job; that this was approved and encouraged by Rev. Olson. When I called Rev. Olson about this, he confirmed.

Rev. Stevens was in a hurry to do changeover/sign the books over to me (the day after we got there), but after we started some things didn’t add up (more on this later). At changeover about a week later the general fund had about $23 in it, with no escrow fund. The work was not self supporting, had a small congregation (less than 20), and no one was living in the servicemen’s home. I also did not get my pastor salary the entire time we were there.

The budget for this work, during this time (1997-2001), averaged about $5,000 per month year round.

Rev. Steven’s also told us it would be a good idea for Deborah to get a job (like his wife had), so we would have the additional money that was needed, and that HQ approved of this. I called Rev. Olson; he confirmed, and told me sometimes certain things were necessary in the work of the Lord. I resisted having Deborah work for as long as I could, but after our request to NTCC for money was denied, she got a job.

Please note: Rev. Olson assured me Pastor Davis knew and approved of all this. Rev. Stevens assured me Rev. Olson knew and approved of all this. Also, Rev. and Sis. MacDonald encouraged my wife and I in Deborah getting a job with the same company Sis. MacDonald (and Sis. Stevens) worked for each time they have been in Korea.

There are many more details to this account but this will do for now.

In His Service,

Gregory

[link to this article on Deb and Greg's blog.]

Vote Anonymously On This Post By Clicking On The Lettered Boxes Below:

A) Sounds Like a True Description of ntcc

B) Sounds Like ntcc is a Cult

C) I Read It

D) ntcc lied about supporting Greg and Deb financially. ntcc lied to the Korean government about Deb and Greg being "tourists". ntcc is dAVIS and oLSON and aSHMORE in this true story TELLING LIES.

E) ntcc is designed to make a few families at the top very rich while the majority of workers live sacrifice and poverty only to be threatened by ntcc 'leaders' who have been lying to them. !??!

F) Create Your Own "F" ntcc 'leaders' don't keep the rules they make for others to keep. That is a double-standard and is wrong, just like the Pharisees/scribes/and hypocrites Jesus reproached telling us "They SAY and DO NOT." (ALL TALK, NO WALK)!

G) Glad To Be Out of ntcc

H) Create Your Own "H" ntcc should have to PROVE where ALL the (Mission Fund) money they collect goes. They say they are honest. We say PROVE IT or be found liars!

I) I'm Thinking Of Leaving ntcc

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