Let Them Go or The Mass Exodus

 ...the LORD said unto Moses ...
 stand before Pharaoh ...
 and say unto him,
 Let my people go. 

On June 6th we found this great material on mck's blog entitled "Letting Go".  We thought it seemed fitting due to the recent exodus from the ntcc to post this "stuff"quoting one anonymous ntcc'r who wrote, "Wow, good stuff"!  This is material that was borrowed from T.D. Jakes.   The following two paragraphs are excerpts:

"There are people who can walk away from you. And hear me when I tell you this! When people can walk away from you: let them walk. I don't want you to try to talk another person into staying with you, loving you, calling you, caring about you, coming to see you, staying attached to you. I mean hang up the phone. When people can walk away from you let them walk. Your destiny is never tied to anybody that left."
"Let me tell you something.. . I've got the gift of good-bye. It's the tenth spiritual gift, I believe in good-bye.. . It's not that I'm hateful, it's that I'm faithful, and I know whatever God means for me to have He'll give it to me. And if it takes too much sweat I don't need it. Stop begging people to stay. Let them go.

We re-titled it "Let Them Go or The Mass Exodus" because it seemed good to the Holy Ghost; and because we can.  It also seems very fitting due to recent information of long time preachers in good standing leaving what is correctly termed as an organization.  It could be called a church but seems to be less and less the body of Christ than it ever was considered to be.  It is a family run business that is starting to crumble as projected by it's founder; that stated on numerous occasions that "History shows that a holiness organization only lasts 30 to 40 years; and then enters compromise."

As mck quoting T.D. Jakes, said:  "And if it takes too much sweat I don't need it.  Stop begging people to stay.  Let them go".  How many times have we heard this?  Let them go.  You want to leave?  There's the door.  If you walk out that door, we are not coming after you.  Don't knock on brother so and so's door any more; he has chosen not to be a brother.  God doesn't need them; or, God doesn't need you.  God can build his church without them or without you.  Sound familiar?

We've heard many reports lately of people leaving; and to be honest we probably have more accurate info on this than most ntcc'rs.  I recently heard that the Dorsie's left two years ago.  There's probably more people in the Xer community that know this than there are in the ntcc; because they are not allowed to speak of such things.  We have heard that attendance in Graham is down to 1/2 of what it has been; and churches in that area have been consolidated.  Most of this is old news; but it's kept from many on the inside; because they are a cult; and they know if they are truthful and honest about these things that many, many more will leave.  If you are an ntcc'r and you want to know what's going on in your organization,  just follow the blogs; and you will see people commenting on these blogs that you thought were still in.!

Most people that are hanging on for dear life do so out of fear.  They equate leaving the ntcc with burning in the lake of fire for eternity.  That fear is the mortar that holds the ntcc bricks together.  When people see compromise they realize that the ntcc has changed; and they know that God is not supposed to change.  That fear that keeps them in the ntcc begins to crumble like bad mortar.  Of course there are many that would follow mck and rwd to the Red Sea.

Moses said, "Let my people go" and Pharaoh hardened his heart.  What will it take for rwd and mck to follow those that are leaving in mass exodus down to the Red Sea?  They want slaves; but most men desire freedom.  Many are rising to the occasion and leaving the ntcc.   Yes we have heard reports of a mass exodus; and while it is sad that the ntcc could have been something great and wonderful, it has been reduced to these three words: "Let them go".  


What about all the sweat and labor it took to reach them?  Doesn't matter, it wasn't their sweat.  Let them go.  What about the men and women that have been a part of your program for decades?  Let them go.  What about people that have given tens of thousands of dollars to the ntcc out of love for God?  Let them go.  What about those who cleaned your house on weekends, washed and waxed your expensive cars and Motor homes, and cleaned the sanctuary of God for you?  Let them go.  What about those that have attended every stinking church service you ever had for year after year after year?  Let them go.  What about those that have physically given everything they could to build your empire, and remodel your buildings for peanuts so that you could sit on escrows of more than a quarter million dollars?  Let them go.  What about those that have preached sermon after sermon, run servicemen's homes, and were missionaries in foreign lands?  Let them go!

It sounds to me like you would be doing them all a favor if you would let everyone go worship God in the wilderness!  Because what you are doing to them now is destructive and wasteful.  Why don't you be honest with the ntcc congregation and tell them all of the deeds you have done.  Why don't you tell them where the money is going?  Why don't you tell them where the people are going?   Why don't you tell them that holiness was never a doctrine that was intended to bring them closer to God; but it was used to control their lives and their pocket books.  Why don't you tell people where God has gone?  Why don't you tell them why God has changed?  Why don't you tell them why God's word has changed?  You brought about these changes.  Why will you not have the decency to tell them?

The ntcc is a sinking ship!  And we hope that people will escape before it is too late.  People are hell-bent on defending the ntcc leadership unto death.  Doesn't matter what we say; or who leaves.  It doesn't matter what the leadership does; the members will believe a lie.  If olson says that stealing a paperclip from work is a sin, how can he justify the misappropriation of so much money in the ntcc?  It never ends!  And it never will until people wise up and wake up.  The ntcc has twisted the rules for years and years now for whatever purpose suits their needs;  and people go along with it.  We will continue to speak out against them.  You can call us bitter if you want to.  We have been accused of ruining peoples lives.  I submit to you that if the truth that we speak causes anyone grief, which we hope it does, it also causes people to see the hypocrisy that they are living in.  If people see that their leaders are hypocrites that frees them up to make more responsible decisions regarding their own futures.  We implore the ntcc leadership to continue pushing them away and to "Let them go".

What About ntcc's Becky and John R.?

In a post on Jeff's blog an anonymous commenter posted the following comment:

What do you make of people like J P [R] and his wife Becky? I spent a lot of time with them in the mid-80's and I am certain they were very decent people who loved God. I wonder how can they stay in the NTCC organization? (I could name other very decent Pastors in the organisation) comment link

We answered with the following response:

I spent time with Becky and John [R] in Hawaii a couple of times while on leave from Korea. They were very nice folks and didn't seem to have the same judgmental attitude towards folks as others in the ntcc had. While I was on vacation, they showed me around the island; and we actually had a real good time. They didn't spend every waking moment lamenting over lost souls and stumping for tithes and offerings.


Lately I have had Becky and John R. on my mind and have been wanting to do this post for a while. In the short time that I spent with them they made a lasting impression; and most what I remember was good. They had what seemed to be real love in their hearts for people; and I never got the feeling that they were in it for the money. There were a few other couples in the ministry that left me with similar memories.

Maybe because I didn't spend much time around them I didn't see the side of them that seems to be in most of the ntcc leadership.  Maybe they are just good people that love God and are making the best out of a very bad situation.  It was mentioned by Jeff and others that Becky and John R. must have turned a blind eye to much of what went on in the ntcc.  They also no longer communicate with their family to include Deborah and Gregory.  This came about because mike kekel showed private letters to Becky and John R. that were written between Gregory S. and mck.  Not only was this a breach of confidence but was used to sow discord among brethren and to drive a wedge between lifelong family bonds.  This is proof that when people leave the ntcc they are no longer considered to be in good standing with God.  We have often made reference to the ntcc claims that they are God's last move on earth and that the ntcc thinks they are the only true church on planet earth.  These actions substantiate these claims and vindicate those that have been wrongfully cast away by the leaders of the ntcc.

Here is what I think.  In my own experience there are many folks in the ntcc that are just like we were.  Do you remember the days when all you cared about was living for God?  Do you remember when you were young and impressionable and would do anything to please God and the men and women that you thought were there to help you along the way in your life for God?  But ntcc perverted the gospel and used us.  We gave everything we had to them until there was nothing else to give.  They broke us down until we had no willpower left; and when we were no longer of any use to ntcc, they kicked us to the curb.

At one time we drew a line and said we would never cross it.  Then we saw it crossed by others in the ntcc; and in time we moved that line.  It reminds me of how lawyers start out:  Wanting to make a difference in the world.  They start out on fire and want to practice law to help people; and soon they find out that to win a case they have to misrepresent the facts.  To help a client they find themselves violating ethical practices that they never dreamed of violating.  Pretty soon they become farther and farther away from what they know is right; and it becomes common practice to lie and use deceit to win a case.

This is what the ntcc does to people.  There are still good people that have been trapped in that cult for decades and John and Becky R. may be among them.  Sometimes  we find ourselves guilty of having an "Us against Them" attitude; and in our zeal to expose the ntcc,  we don't recognize the fact that many ministers are caught up in the same hopeless situation we were caught up in.  There are many in the ntcc that we still respect and love.   We care enough to warn them and hope they eventually find their way out.  It's the establishment and the leadership of the same that we hate.   I can only imagine what some of the old-timers think when they see the blatant hypocrisy and double standards in Graham, Washington.  What can they do?  Many are now in their 50's and 60's and have very few options and even less money.  They see that the line of compromise has moved.  Standards have changed, 'holiness' has pretty much been thrown out the window; and everything that these ministers once stood for is virtually gone.

 ntcc's Becky and John R. 

To Becky and John R.,  maybe it is not my place to say this to them; but if John and Becky happen across this post I would like to make one suggestion to you.  Get back in touch with your family.  I'm sure they love you more than the folks in Graham.   They say that blood is thicker than water; and I say it is not a sin to love your families.   Some might say, "Who are you to give the [Becky and John R.] advice"?  I'm nobody.  Just an old friend.

Don and Ange

P.S.  Link to ntcc photo of Becky and John R.

While researching the proper way to make the plural form of the name R-s, we came upon this gem:

When a family name (a proper noun) is pluralized, we almost always simply add an "s." So we go to visit the Smiths, the Kennedys, the Grays, etc.When a family name ends in s, x, ch, sh, or z, however, we form the plural by added -es, as in the Marches, the Joneses, the Maddoxes, the Bushes, the R-zes. Do not form a family name plural by using an apostrophe; that device is reserved for creating possessive forms.

When a proper noun ends in an "s" with a hard "z" sound, we don't add any ending to form the plural: "The Chambers are coming to dinner" (not the Chamberses); "The Hodges used to live here" (not the Hodgeses). There are exceptions even to this: we say "The Joneses are coming over," and we'd probably write "The Stevenses are coming, too."  A modest proposal: women whose last names end in "s" (pronounced "z") should marry and take the names of men whose last names do not end with that sound, and eventually this problem will disappear.   Source link.

This reminds me of Becky and John telling me that when they got married, the "s" on John's last name had to kick the "z" out of Becky's maiden name.  Boot to the "z" ;~} 

Married Children in the ntcc

What is it with the leadership of the ntcc and their desire to marry off their daughters before they are of age?  I wracked my brain with this question and finally a light bulb came on.

The reason that the ntcc does this is because they know when that girl turns 18 and has the right to make her own decisions, that she is going to "choose the world" over marrying a 28 year old drooling man and being a barefoot-and-barren-in-the-kitchen cult member for the rest of her life.  Who in their right mind would choose that for themselves?

If you look at the mortality rate for kids in the ntcc, it is somewhere in the high 90's percentile.  I'm referring to them leaving the ntcc and becoming dead to their parents and the ntcc leadership.  How many of the ntcc preachers' kids have grown up in that cult and chosen to stay after turning 18?  Does anyone know of any besides the females that are married off in their mid-teens?  There might be some, but very few.  What kind of testimony is it that if these ministers that are involved in God's so called "last move on earth", can not even get their family members into heaven?

The solution for this problem was figured out by none other than rwd who experimented with his own daughter.  Perhaps she was rebelling against the holiness doctrine as she does to this day. The so called Holiness Doctrine was only used as a tool to keep people in line, and to control and manipulate them.  Whatever, the reason, rwd sought him out a man, several years older than his mid teenage daughter to intervene so that his daughter would not jump ship when the time came to make that decision for herself.  If we as adults could not think for ourselves, how much more would a 15 or 16 year old girl not be able to resist the "advice" of rwd or johnson or olson or anyone else in that authoritative position?

Tanya was to be the Incubator for one Grant Kekel, the heir apparent to the throne of the ntcc.  I can only imagine that when Tanya Kekel was in her early teens, rwd sought out and found a man with like morals and unscrupulous character that could marry his daughter a day after her 17th birthday and take over a corrupt organization that would be able to keep the cult intact while transitioning it into compromise.   While Grant Kekel is off at secular college living the life of an ordinary 'sinner', which is what we would have been classified as back in the day if we went to secular college or played football and participated in all the activities that went along with that, rwd and mike kekel are continuing to do what they do best and that is build a financial empire while manipulating people for financial gain.

kekel, kekel, child molester!

ravening wolves

Originally posted under a different title, this topic bears repeating.

Some time ago a former ntcc minister, Vic Johanson, shared on a public blog how mike kekel had molested a 14-16 year old girl kekel was dating when kekel was 23-25 years old.

In a normal environment kekel's boasting would have earned him a mug shot and life-long registration on the sex-offenders' registry.

But in the New Testament Christian Church, kekel was promoted to Chief Executive Officer and President of the Orgnization, New Testament Christian Churches of America, Incorporated.

The groped girl's father was well aware of this incident and rather than reprove the action and defend his daughter from such abhorrent behavior, sanctioned this behavior. In our opinion that is so perverse.

Christians should protect their little girls from wolves, not throw them to them! 

**Please Note How One Man Sought To Protect His 15 Year Old Daughter**:


Soldier arrested for allegedly firing on man trying to pick up 15-year-old daughter:  Story Link Click Here [renewed 8-21-12]

To be clear, we are not advocating violence.  It would have been better for the father to call the police; and allow them to handle this.  But,  most normal men would respond strongly against any adult man making the moves on his 15 year old daughter.  **Normal Men**  

Vic Johanson's testimony follows. Note how he was disgusted with kekel's lack of remorse for his illegal behavior.  Impenitent kekel was boasting of it and making a declaration he would not repent!

Why would such a person as mike kekel be promoted in the ntcc unless their leader, r. w. davis, the groped-girl's father, was the same type of wolf, preying on innocent victims as some have alleged.

Why would anyone stay and be part of such an orgainization that condones and promotes such child molesting predators?

The Bible admonishes us against these type of reprobates stating:

Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. (Romans 1:32)

Not saying such an act constitutes an automatic death sentence. But that davis seems to have taken pleasure in kekel's molestation, promoting him to be ntcc's CEO.

In a comment on a previous discussion of this topic, 

Vic Johanson said:

"I reiterate: Mike Kekel, my old BS roommate, did boast to me and another brother that he was regularly making out with Tanya while he dated her. If it didn't happen, he's a liar, because he waxed rhapsodic about the powerful physical sensations that coursed through his body during these sessions.

As I have previously stated, the fact that he succumbed to this temptation was understandable, but what I and the other brother (who did go to RW about the situation--to no avail) found shocking was the absolute lack of any kind of conviction, and the vehement declaration that he had no intention of desisting, despite our remonstrations to him that such activity was inconsistent with the role of 'holiness preacher.' He was right in our face about it, and the other brother felt so guilty he narked him out. But nothing happened; there was some anonymous wrist slapping from the pulpit about not playing footsies under the table, blah blah blah, and the status quo endured.

One inaccuracy in your description, though: he wasn't a board member at the time, but a BS student. But the skids were being greased." -- Vic Johanson

Sadly the "other brother" who went to r w davis to report this matter has stayed with the ntcc.  Why?

Would you let a 23-24 year old man grope your 14-15 year old daughter?    How would you respond?


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Once again we ask:  Would you let a 23-24 year old man grope your 14-15 year old daughter? 

"Whiskers"
The Gloating Cat

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Pitchfork Religion or Fishy Doctrine

mike kekel put together a blog post from material written by others that he used in an effort to accuse Xers of wrongdoing just because they no longer attend ntcc and have stated why they won't follow hypocrites like kekel and davis.  What is sad but true is that kekel's blog post does a better job of condemning him and davis than it does of condemning  Xers.  Let's look at some things kekel quoted and his discussion:

"This is part 6 of the Secondary qualities (pages 41 to 81) It reveals the thinking behind people who leave and rise up against people they once revered."

Immediately following is an excerpt from practical theology class which is made up mostly of comments from non-ntcc Christians, these words are shared:

“No other man, but the retired millionaire, is such a monarch of his day as is the minister. He can read on Monday morning, or write, or walk, or mingle all three, just as he deems best. On Tuesday morning, he can attend to his correspondence, or catalogue his library, or eat the heart out of some new book, or meet a company of friends, just as he decides. The order of his going out and coming in is largely at his own discretion. Living within wide liberty is dangerous; it has spoiled thousands. He can adapt any style of preaching that he likes, he can follow whatever line of thought he chooses … and … (this) begets in certain types of men a tone of mind which says: “I am Sir Oracle, and when I open my lips, let no dog bark.” … Here is a true description of ministers not a few: ‘They love the chief places at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, and the salutations in the market-place, and to be called of men, Rabbi."

“In the realm of parish administration, a puffed-up shepherd exhibits symptoms which have been often deplored. He resents all divergence from his opinions. Men who do not agree with him are set down as his foes. He treats them as traitors to the cause of truth. All who will not carry out his wishes have the mark of the beast. He is irritated by the least opposition. He is mortified by the failure of a single plan. Any independence of thought he considers a personal affront."

Don and Ange say,

Does this sound like anyone you know?  To us all these negative traits being condemned by non-ntcc Christians are most often exhibited by the ntcc borg 'leaders' such as davis and kekel.

For example:

"No other man, but the retired millionaire, is such a monarch of his day as is the minister." "The order of his going out and coming in is largely at his own discretion."

That really describes the borg 'leaders' like davis and kekel.  Who determines when they go anywhere?  Or who even knows what they do all day?  They sit around all day and make rules that limit you - where you can work,  telling you not to seek promotion or higher education, requiring that you report how much income you make, what hours you can work, how often you have to be in church.  And all the while you have no idea what they are doing, or whether or not they are even in town or just skipping service.  I've seen davis lay out of church plenty of times when he was at the campground and in St. Louis.  Nobody dares to say anything to him about it either because:

"(this) begets in certain types of men a tone of mind which says: “I am Sir Oracle, and when I open my lips, let no dog bark."

You know what we're talking about.  Just try to raise your hand in one of those ntcc bible studies and see what happens.  You will get shot down.  They don't even want you to ask questions about the bible.  You definitely don't want to see their reaction if you question them about there whereabouts of their spending habits.  They are completely unaccountable to you.  They can go where they want, spend what they want, do what they want.  

But they hold the reins on your life.  Your wife can't work.  You can not go to school.  You have to meet every church service and obligation.  They know how much money you make and require you give them one tenth.  But they never prove where that money goes.  They are completely unaccountable to you.

Here is a true description of ministers not a few:  ‘They love the chief places at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, and the salutations in the market-place, and to be called of men, Rabbi." 

Taken from the scripture, the quoted material is speaking of hypocrites who require you to save them the best seats in the church, like on the altar, or front pew, and demand you call them a title like Pastor.  Hmmn.  Sounding familiar yet?  As if that doesn't paint a clear picture of the ntcc, this next paragraph does even more so:

“In the realm of parish administration, a puffed-up shepherd exhibits symptoms which have been often deplored. He resents all divergence from his opinions. Men who do not agree with him are set down as his foes.  He treats them as traitors to the cause of truth. All who will not carry out his wishes have the mark of the beast. He is irritated by the least opposition. He is mortified by the failure of a single plan. Any independence of thought he considers a personal affront."

WOW.  That so describes kekel and davis.  Listen to kekel's own crazy description of anyone who no longer attends ntcc.  kekel said,

"I consider them my enemies!" -- m c kekel "

HELLO!

The whole article that kekel strung together really condemns him.  Of course, he tries to pitchfork his condemnation off onto the Xers, stating that the material he's quoting:

"It reveals the thinking behind people who leave and rise up against people they once revered." m c kekel, ntcc CEO

Really, mike?  This entire writing screams out to that part of one's brain that houses common sense and logic. I wish that I had gone straight to the ntcc bible school and taken this bs class 27 years ago. I would have seen the ntcc leadership for the hypocrites they are and left, instead of ruining the last 27 years of my life. We think your blog smog more clearly reveals your own twisted heart thus:

"It reveals the hypocrisy of those who are highly revered towards people that leave because they disagree with ntcc doctrines!" 

or, as kekel stated, "I consider them my enemies!"  WOW!

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G) Glad To Be Out of ntcc!
H) I've seen kekel, davis, and many other ntcc preachers act like that proud, "I AM SIR ORACLE" spirit. That's why they don't allow anyone to disagree with them or even question them.
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ntcc: A Money-Making Pyramid Scheme

In a comment on our thread titled "Dog Show or Winterfest" April said,

"BUT,have you really been called of God? Ntcc is a Organization based on FALSE teachers. So how can it be of God?"

That's a good question April. The answer is that they "have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof." I believe that there are people saved in the ntcc, and called to preach even; but there is so much other garbage going on that God can't move. God can't bless unrepented of sin. When people gather together and call on God, God moves. But this is all they have to hang their hat on is "a feeling."

When I was in the ntcc, I believe that I was saved; but it was a shallow, restrictive Christianity. We were too critical of everyone around us to be effective. This critical attitude was taught and nurtured by the pastors in the Servicemen's homes and imitated by the members. But guess what? Do you think that the pastors learned this behavior on their own? It was taught to them by davis, kekel and the rest of that bunch up in Washington.

I used to bring carloads and vanloads of people out to church; but what was I really doing? Not only were they run off by the Holier than thou attitude we had, but we probably turned them away from ever wanting God. People like you and me still got saved; but how could God have blessed us in an environment where so much tearing down of the brethren took place?

I know I had good intentions; and I'd like to think that I led people to Christ. But just about every person that I know of that I invited to church has been run off. Out of 13 years of work, and bringing thousands of people to church, can God not keep one person? I'm not bragging about how many people I brought to church, but just trying to figure out what happened to them all.

I think that the ntcc is built like a multi-level marketing pyramid scheme. The highly esteemed rdub was a salesman at one time and if you look at the model of AMWAY or NIKEN or any other pyramid scheme, you'll find that they are cults in and of themselves.

They introduce you into their sales gimmick without telling you all the details up front. You have to go out to one of their meetings first. (Sound familiar?)

Then they try to make you feel that you are going to be a part of something unique and special. (Love Bombing.)

They show you the success stories of the rich and famous within their organization. (Supposing gain is godliness. So that you can have men's persons in admiration because of advantage. [So you can admire them, and suck-up to them because of the money and power they have.])

And tell you that it's a numbers game. You don't have to do any sales yourself, all you have to do is get them out to a professional sales pitch meeting (church); and the ones that have the experience in convincing people to spend money on stuff they don't want will get the sales for you (preachers / hirelings)...

Oh, and by the way, there is an initial investment (building funds, church budget offerings) usually over a thousand dollars and a monthly investment that they now call autoship (tithe and offerings), where you buy $100 per month of their product to get to the next level. If you get ten people to one of their meetings, one person will show enough interest to get ten more people out to one of their meetings; and then it's supposed to multiply.

But what you end up with is:

• A bunch of suckers that have spent thousands of dollars on a bunch of worthless junk.
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• And 99% of the people involved never succeeding.
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• And 1% that are getting filthy rich off of the work off the backs of a bunch of suckers.

That's how ntcc works:

• You invite droves of people out to church.
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• And one or two might get genuinely saved.
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• But then after years of being beaten down they end up leaving.

What have you accomplished?

You brought thousands ($$$,$$$) in tithe to the church; so that the fat cats in Graham could support their lavish lifestyles!

They sing about victory in Jesus, but where is their victory? They might have some conferences that God supposedly moves in; but after the joy and the worked up frenzy is gone then comes the plowing and beating down of the brethren.

It's all about the very few prospering off of the very hard work of many. Let's say ntcc has 10,000 people in it now: 9,000 are just "playing church" and 1,000 are truly dedicated; and 900 of these 1,000 of them will be beaten down and left for dead. What you have left is 100 that are either the rich and affluent or the few hold outs that think one day "they too will be like mike" [kekel].

ntcc is a pyramid money-making scam. Nothing more, nothing less. It is evil of them to dress it in robes of religion; but that is what satan does. He acts like he knows God's word better than you do [Thou shalt NOT surely die.] he spins a lie, hoping you will bite into the forbidden fruit and perish.

But we don't have to fall for satan and ntcc's devices. We have the Holy Spirit to teach us the truth, inspiring men and women to expose these FALSE teachers in ntcc; just as April has pointed out.
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mike kekel Gone Country? Dog Show or Bluegrass / Winterfest

kekel said,

"Many years ago when our son was small, we took him to Frontier Park in Graham, WA. We noticed a dog show going on nearby, so we wandered over to watch. After a few minutes of witnessing the interaction of the people with their pets, it became clear to me that it was time to leave. I was uncomfortable and troubled in my spirit by the atmosphere.

Another time a few years ago we went to an annual event in Tacoma called Wintergrass; basically one hour acoustic music lessons/workshops taught by professionals. Iʼve played guitar since 1966 and Iʼm always trying to improve, so it was an absolute treat for me to listen to these pros play and teach. Later in the evening when things started jumping, and started to get crazy, we looked at each other and said something like, “letʼs get out of here!” These are just 2 examples of many kinds of situations that we as Christians may find ourselves in and no one can hit the brakes but us! Here’s another scenario; Restaurants that serve alcohol. If you refuse to eat at such places, youʼre left with McDonalds and the BK; but the environment is quite different on Tuesday afternoon than it is on Friday or Saturday evening when the crowd is rockinʼ and prowlinʼ. So then, is it the PRESENCE of alcohol, or the activities INVOLVING it that is wrong? For that matter, alcohol is present at the supermarket, but walking near it should not be a temptation for a Christian. If there is no lust (desire) for it in your heart, there should be no temptation (James 1:14-15)- “But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.” Even if you WERE tempted by it, you still have a brake pedal beneath your foot. Use it! If a certain place put you in a position to be tempted, then you should avoid even going there."

Don and Ange say,

This clearly illustrates the warped thinking of mike kekel and the cultish teachings of the ntcc. Come on, the leisurely walk through the park and stumbling into a wicked dog show?  A dog show is such a terrible atmosphere to have to endure?  I bet it really vexed your spirit. Maybe it was the fact that the dogs were not wearing modest apparel?  Or one of them committed an indecent act in public? I know what it was. It must have been the dog owners dripping with pride?  Or maybe the dogs were proud?

When I read this, I almost fell out of my chair laughing. It brought back so many ntcc memories. I thought of disclaimers that we used to use at ntcc. 

"I was walking through the barracks and stumbled across a tv; and there just happened to be some sinful event on there; and I felt convicted for even watching 30 seconds of it."

kekel said, "we noticed a dog show and wandered over to watch".

If kekel got convicted I would imagine that the conviction he was experiencing had something to do with the double standards that ntcc has been preaching for years and years.  Maybe he realized what a hypocrite he is for going to a Bluegrass Music Festival after years of teaching that all such  music is "worldly".

Maybe he just got done telling the bible school students that if their toenails where hanging over the threshold of their doorstep at 10:00:01pm they would be breaking curfew and would forfeit their semester; and ntcc would keep all the proceeds so that the kekel kid could purchase a new football uniform for his extracurricular sporting event that nobody else in the history of ntcc ever got to participate in without getting raked over the coals for wearing lascivious tight clothes and playing sports that could take them away from the work of the borg, oops, lawd.

That might bring a little conviction; but I bet he stayed there a few more minutes and pondered over all the members that were told they couldn't have dogs or that cats were of the devil. That must have brought a lot of conviction. But I bet he lingered a little longer. It wasn't until he reflected back on the time that his father-in law davis had a certain preacher, elliot f. gesang, execute certain German Shepherds named Wendy and Lion by taking them out in the woods and shooting them; since davis and kekel were not being responsible pet owners and didn't want to build fences big enough to properly contain their dogs.

Or maybe kekel remembered that time his father-in-law had a certain preacher take an axe and chop off the heads of a litter of  puppies (read more>>). I also would be convicted if I were at a dog show and belonged to an organization like ntcc that has no respect for the sanctity of the life of a defenseless dog.

If you are cruel to animals, you also will be cruel to people. It's a statistical fact that a lot of murderers start out by hacking up dogs and cats and other animals "to see what it feels like to kill something". They learn to develop a lust for blood. I'm not saying that kekel or davis have murdered people, at least not physically (that we know of), but what about spiritually?

Can a preacher be cruel enough to a person by blasting them publicly and rebuking them openly on something that has no scriptural basis to make them commit spiritual suicide? What is it that causes a person to walk away from God? Is it always their desire to go back into sin? Do we take the same amount of care with a person's spiritual health as we do with their physical health?

When they wrongfully accuse those whose souls they have been entrusted to watch over, and instead gang-up on them when they should be the ones that demonstrate love, is there any culpability or accountability to restore those souls as brothers or sisters? I've seen people trampled on and cast out of churches for disagreeing with the highly esteemed so-called pastors of the ntcc over issues that the ntcc taught as gospel but were not backed up by scripture; what happened next was that this innocent questioning or disagreement was used to spiritually separate young tender church members from the only source of reality in God that they ever knew.

For some reason it was important for kekel to point out that this stroll through the park took place "many years ago when their son was small". This is a psychological disclaimer; that was used as a defense mechanism for something that kekel thought was wrong. The point is that if the place that he went was so bad he should have never gone in the first place.

I remember one time I bought a boat and restored it and parked it by the servicemen's home. I didn't feel any conviction until a certain overseer was scheduled to come by. I just knew that my fields were going to get plowed. Being a member of ntcc and having a boat is just asking for hot coals to be heaped on your back and searing flames licking at your heels. After all, how can you be a Christian and have time for a boat? Was I convicted by the Holy Ghost for having this boat? Or perhaps was there a certain precedent that had been set at the ntcc about doing things that are fun? Whatever the case may be, when the overseer came by I made it a point to explain that I had purchased the boat to fix it up and make money by selling it so that I wouldn't get plowed. Here I was, making up lies, which is a sin, to cover up doing something that is not a sin. No wonder I was so "convicted". Perhaps if I were a member of a normal church, I would never of felt guilty for having a boat and would have never made up a lie about it.

Next we find kekel telling us about his trip to Winterfest. This time we have no disclaimer before he told us that he went because there must have been no conviction to go in the first place. But the psychological disclaimer came afterwards as another defense mechanism, "Iʼve played guitar since 1966 and Iʼm always trying to improve, so it was an absolute treat for me to listen to these pros play and teach." He doesn't even realize that he is making excuses for his behavior.

Now here we have the CEO of ntcc feeling convicted by being at a dog show within a few minutes of being there; but he can sit at a bluegrass festival for an entire hour before being convicted??  I personally don't think that either activity is a sin in itself, unless, like kekel, you preach double standards. However, if you look at the teachings of ntcc, and if you compare a bluegrass festival to a dog show, I would have to think that a bluegrass festival would be more of a sin than a dog show.

I do think that if it were common knowledge that a bible school  student were participating in events like that, there would be unreasonable spiritual retribution toward that individual. They might not come out and say that it was a sin to attend an event like that, although they have in the past; but what they would more than likely say is that souls are dying and going to hell and here you are wasting time at a worldly music festival.  Same exact thing. Same effect. Same judgmental double standards. It's okay for the elitists in the ntcc to basically do whatever they want; but when it comes to the least of God's children, it's a sinful event.

Why are we so hard on the ntcc?  Because the leadership should  set a good example of what they expect others to do.  But instead the ntcc leaders break the rules they have created and do the exact opposite of what they expect otherss to do.  They say and do not.  Hypocrites.

Mathew 23:4 "They bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; and they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers".

If you are preaching strict adherence to a set of values to the least of the brethren, then you better live by it yourself; or you are a HYPOCRITE. Don't you borg 'leaders' feel the least bit guilty about the double standards and hypocrisy that is rampant throughout the ntcc? You should. kekel, you don't need to learn how to use the brake pedal in your spiritual car, you need to learn how to use the steering wheel. If you would have turned your steering wheel in your sin-mobile a little to the left or to the right, you wouldn't have created so much fodder for us to write about. You should step down from your lofty position and turn it over to someone who lives what they preach, loves God and does not ADD TO or TAKE AWAY FROM the Word of God. Until next time, we are the X-ers and we stand united.