Would Jesus Wear A Rolex? What Would Jesus Do?

Here in our little corner of cyberspace we blog about our experiences in the ntcc; and we share stories of what we have endured and what others have endured as members of a destructive cult, the New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc.  NTCC / NTCCA.  The average person, who has no experience in a cult, probably doesn't understand much of what we write.  To the 'leaders' of the ntcc, these blogs are a threat.  The members of the ntcc that follow these 'leaders', are warned not to frequent our blogs.  These faithful followers of men are told that we eX-members of ntcc, the Xers, are "evil" and "full of hate".  But that just ain't so.  And,  despite these worthless warnings, there are many people 'IN' the ntcc that want to hear what we have to say; and they read or follow the Xer  blogs.  Many times people have looked at what we do as hateful, unnecessary, and evil, saying that we are "bitter" and "need to get on" with our lives.  That's just more of the loaded cult jargon they have been programmed to regurgitate.    There are many who anonymously insult and try to refute us.  They do so anonymously; because they don't want to get caught participating on a blog that speaks out against the ntcc and because they have been ordered to stay off the blogs.  There disobedience to unlawful orders is encouraging.  We were once a part of this group.  We know that once they start reading the blogs, it is just a matter of time (on average 7 years), and they too will be blogging against the ntcc false doctrines and fake religious 'leaders'.  We understand.  We are here to share the truth with people so that they don't make the same mistakes that we did.  Instead, they can free themselves from the ntcc bondage and enjoy Christianity without legalistic leeches pumping them from the pulpit for more cash to fund the insatiable appetites of the materialistic ntcc 'leaders'.

Spending years of your life in a cult is a mistake of disastrous proportions.  This is very hard to see when you are a member of a church that proclaims they are "the last hope for a lost and dying world"; and you are convinced that the ntcc is God's only church.  Obviously we are the last people that someone in the ntcc would want to listen to; because we have been demonized by the ntcc leadership as God haters and reprobates.  We are not here to try to get you to stop serving God or to tell you how to live.  And, because our credibility has been damaged by the ntcc in the eyes of many that read, we ask you not to believe us, but to believe the bible.  We ask you to take a look at the words and actions of Jesus, and the disciples who followed him, and the people whose lives were touched by him.  Try to put aside your bias and everything you've heard about us and just compare the ntcc with the New Testament Church found in God's word.  A common teaching in many churches to include the ntcc is to ask the question what would Jesus do?  Let's look at what Jesus did and what the ntcc is doing.

Jesus did not seek wealth nor did he live in luxury.

Mat 19:21  "Jesus said unto him, if thou wilt be perfect, go and sell what thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me".

r w davis covets a Rolex 
 Presidential on sale for 
$18000 regularly $21000 
with diamonds,  rubies, &
so much more (than yours)
because that's how it is 'in'
YOUR  ntcc! *Give! Give!*
 I wouldn't even give r .w. 
 davis the time of day, much 
 less Another Rolex Watch! 
 He already conned you schlubs 
 (like I was) out of one Rolex! 
rdub, it's time to stop 
 robbing the churches 
 for your private benefit! 
 Get a REAL job! 

Would Jesus Wear A Rolex by Ray Stevens? on YouTube


The ntcc is supposedly a non-profit; but the leadership has benefited financially. Did you know that the borg buys a new Cadillac every year for R W Davis and the Board Members cars are also purchased by the NTCC?  Did you know that the Kekel's have been seen driving around in very expensive cars?  Did you know that RWD is trying to get ministers to take up a collection to buy him a Presidential Rolex watch at the price of nearly $20,000.00?  Did you know that most of the ministers in the ntcc have no health or life insurance policies; because they can't afford them.  And for years ntcc 'preached' against insurance for the non-board members. Most ministers in ntcc have very little or no savings of any kind; but much of the money that they did have has gone to support the selfish and materialistic life styles of the so-called 'spiritual' 'leaders' of the ntcc. Did you know that most ministers in the ntcc put everything they have into the churches they are assigned to in hopes of reaching the lost?  Meanwhile most of their tithe dollars end up in Graham, WA, supporting the luxurious life styles of the rich and infamous 'leaders' they follow.  Does any of this sound like behavior that you would find in the first four books of the New Testament?  You know; the red letter section of the bible?  What would Jesus do?  Do you realize how far these 'leaders' are from doing what Jesus would have done?

Mat 8:20   "The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the son of man hath not where to lay his head."

The ntcc is supposed to be a Christian church; and Christ often spoke of helping the poor.  ntcc preaches against helping the poor!  They teach their ministers "We don't do that."  It's even part of their doctrinal statement.  davis has lectured not to bring the homeless or poor to church, saying "You don't build a church that way!"  Also, did you know that the ntcc has no known charities that they give to?   And the borg 'leaders' are completely unaccountable to anyone as to where money actually goes?  Did you know that the ntcc has taken up offerings for specific purposes and spent that money on other things without being transparent?  Receiving money under false pretenses is illegal.  Do you really know where all of your World Missions dollars are going or have gone?  Do you trust somebody that requires you to give until it hurts while they have sacrificed nothing?  What has Kekel ever sacrificed?  Do you see a pattern here?  Do you really think that Jesus is pleased with this?

Lego The Good Samaritan
YouTube

Mat 23:3   All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Jesus and his followers were real.  They warned of hypocrites that would come and pervert the word of God.  Jesus warned us of people that would talk a good show; but their works would be contrary to their speech.  Did you know that RWD and Kekel have required much more of their followers than what they are willing to live themselves?  Did you know that many ministers in the ntcc have not sought higher education and that they have restricted their own children from educational opportunities while Kekel's son and RWD's Grandson has been attending the most prestigious private schools, academies and colleges in the country, on your dime?  Did you know that many of you that have deprived your children of their futures by not allowing them to participate in activities such as sports, have taken money that could have gone towards your own child's college education and given it to the ntcc so they could spend it on Grant Kekel's future?  Here is a small list of the fraction of rules that the ntcc has required of you, but they themselves have broken these rules, because they say and do not.

devilvision ^.".^

1.  Watching TV used to be a sin and was preached against.  The Television was referred to as the Devil-vision.  Kekel allowed his son to watch DVD movies on his computer monitor; and now many preachers have favorite movies listed on their facebook pages.  RWD told MDR to turn his hotel TV around; so he could watch it.  This after years of preaching against TV!  They say and do not.

sinner-net 

2.  The internet was referred to as the Sinnernet.  The internet was preached against; and people were blasted for surfing the Web.  People were falsely accused of looking at porn so the ntcc could keep people offline.   But now the ntcc runs many blogs and websites; they are on FaceBook and Twitter.  They use the internet for damage control to contradict our blogs that expose them for what they are:  Hypocrites who preach against the very things they do and demand that others do what they won't (like soul-winning).  They say, and do not.

3.  Women have been told that they are supposed to be in subjection to their husbands; that they are not to have jobs; and that they are not to usurp authority over men.  Tanya Kekel has a job that involves usurping authority over bible school students; and women overseas have been told to get jobs to help support their husbands' ministries!  I guess God was not able to provide.  They say and do not.  

4.  Women are not allowed to wear make up while the Executive Board members' wives wear foundation to cover their rosie cheeks and wrinkled faces.  Many women were brought to tears because they were blasted for wearing make-up.  They say and they do not.

5.  Jewelry was preached against and forbidden to the average church member while many of the Pastors in the ntcc were prodding their church members to buy them 7 diamond cluster pinky rings and Rolex watches while Board members' wives would wear broaches and trinkets on their clothing and shoes.  Can you see the hypocrisy?  What would Jesus do?  I guarantee you that he wouldn't be hanging around folks like RWD and Kekel.

We could go on and on and write volumes on this subject.  We hope that you would take an honest look at what the ntcc leaders are all about.  Search the scriptures and see if you can find examples of the excess that we see in Graham.  None of the apostles lived in excess and what we see in the ntcc is contrary to the Word of God.  There are many people who have left the ntcc who have realized they were in a cult.  Where double standards exist, you will find profiteering.  Where rules are enforced by those who themselves disregard them, you will find hypocrisy.  Tell me that Jesus would condone this.  Somebody please come on this blog and tell me that Jesus is pleased with the ntcc and what they have become.  Show some examples of how the ntcc leadership has sacrificed and helped the poor and done the things that Christ would do.  They are hearers of the word and not doers.  They are like whited sepulchures which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are dead men's bones.  They take advantage of your good nature and Christianity and have used it to become wealthy.  

Next time you have questions about the sincerity for your leaders, just ask, What would Jesus do?  Next time you get raked over the coals for something that is not in the bible, see if you can find a precedent in the New Testament that supports it.  It's really simple.  Did Jesus care what people looked like?  He preached against what the Pharisees wore (long robes, broadened Phylacteries), but didn't tell people what to wear.  Don't let some hypocrite dictate standards to you.  If it's in the bible trust it, if it's not in the bible, ask yourself, is this something that Jesus would require?  What would Jesus do?

Is Football a Sin?

 Facing The Giants
 Taking a Knee 

Pastor, What's wrong with football?

Ramirez:  What's right with it?

Medrano:  You'd have to watch it on the devil vision.

Rodger Wilson Davis:  How can you watch football while souls are dying and going to hell?

Olson:  It doesn't seem right to the Holy Ghost.

RWD:  If you have to ask what's wrong with it then it's most likely a sin.

Ashmore:  Football pants are lascivious and cause people to lust.  

  

Kekel:
I disagree with the old geezer and everyone else on this one.  Policy and rules are two different things.  My kid is going to be raised like a normal kid participating in sports and dressing like a normal human being; while all you duped ministers that worship the ground that RWD walks on are going to have to raise your kids like a bunch of dorks.  If you are a minister you will not have a TV, even though I raised my kid, grant kekel, on a steady diet of DVD's; that he was able to watch on a computer monitor.   Shhh!   We all know that's not a sin.


Bring your frisbees and footballs to the campground; there will be sports and fun and BBQ's at the new pavilion.  Bring your musical instruments; and we'll all sit around the camp fire singing Kumbaya.  And the stupid idiots that financed and made it all possible will gather in their little hate groups online and shower us with "hatred" and "personal attacks"; while we continue to roll in the big bucks. We'll be laughing all the way to the bank!  Oh,  and by the way, we will also be having church.

*How lame!  We will also be having church?  Listed LAST!*  *sigh*

So we see, ntcc is singing out the other side of the mouth now.  They taught you it was wrong for you and your kids; but anything goes when kekel krows....  Here's some proof.


1)  grant kekel's football stats as recorded on Max Preps, a tool for scouting agents:

-here


2)  grant kekel's football documented by his private academy's blog:
Charles Wright Academy blog post about grant kekel playing football for their team, The Tarriers:

-here (expired)


3)  The Charles Wright article also lists grant as having scored in the top 5% of test takers making him a National Merit Commended Scholar.  This score usually comes from the PSAT, the Pre-Scholastic Aptitude Test, given to students who take the test as a prerequisite to applying for acceptance to colleges.  That's a long way of saying that grant was planning to go to college.  Of course, now we know he does go to college -- something else the ntcc preached against for you and your kids:
Link to read a separate blog post about grant kekel going to college @ SLU

-here


4)  Photos of grant kekel's graduation from Charles Wright Academy
can be viewed on the photographer's web site.  Please do not discredit the photographer's work by abusing the 'thumbs down' app available on each photo. Buy one (or the whole set) today!
Pic of grant kekel link to Brian Lee Photography

-here


Back To Football:
This weekend was Divisional playoff weekend in the NFL.  My team lost; but I watched the other games and had a great time.  I have a TV in my living room and another in the bedroom.  We get standard cable piped into our house; and we have been known to watch the Animal Planet and some movies; and this time of the year we are guilty of watching football.   In my opinion, football is a pretty fun sport to watch.  Some people like baseball, basketball or hockey; but I am a football person.

I've watched football with more than one of my ntcc pastors in the rec center or in a department store electronics section while we were supposed to be soul winning.  We've all heard and seen folks get plowed for watching TV, or watching football on TV, or allowing their son to play high school football.  We've all heard the standard reasons and answers that are given:

• Souls are dying and going to hell.
• Cheerleaders are scantily clad.
• Football tights are lascivious.
• Alcohol is served at games.
• T.V. is "the devil vision".
• And the list goes on....

We heard this junk preached over and over for decades; and now here we are learning that God has changed His mind on everything.  Or has He?

For all you old time ntcc'rs, there is a cancer spreading in your organization.  There is sin in the camp; and it's corrupting the whole body.  The only way that you'll get rid of it is to get rid of the perpetrators in the highest places.  You need to get rid of kekel; and then you can go back to being a strict controlling cult again!

Denis knew he could capitalize on the ntcc's compromising ways by influencing a number of people to continue living a controlling lifestyle under his uncompromising cloned davis cult doctrine.  The infrastructure was already in place.  And that's what Denis did.  He started his own cult, called House Of Prayer.  Once it began to be eXposed on the internet, Denis changed the cult name to Assembly Of Prayer.  But the Beast is the same, no matter what you call it.

What makes this whole ntcc thing so despicable is that you old time ntcc'rs that know better are still being controlled by a bunch of known Hypocrites and Shysters that have openly and arrogantly changed the gospel to accommodate their lust for money.  If you really believed they were right when they taught their man-made doctrine as if it were a commandment from God, then you would be wrong for staying with them now that they have compromised.  And if they were wrong for teaching their man-made doctrine as if it were a commandment from God, then you are wrong to stay with a group that is so far removed from God and yet makes fantastic claims like davis did saying "I've never missed Gawd.  All I do is by the Holy Ghost."  Yeah, right, whatever!  God is not double-minded!

There are much bigger sins than football that you need to worry about in the ntcc.  There are a bunch of folks that you have alienated from what they considered to be their only family and friends.  You can preach against TV, and football and lascivious football attire, and the drunken reveling football atmosphere; but what the ntcc has done is far worse!  The leaders in the highest places of the ntcc have perverted the gospel by adding their own doctrines, rules and policies that exclude the very ones that they should be loving.  It all rotates around money; and if you can't see that then you are blind.

You will run good people off and preach down to the ones that have helped you get to the place that you are.  You will call people out by name and publicly rebuke them to make yourself feel better.  If you want the ntcc, keep it.  You deserve it. Let them keep using you until you find yourself in your 40's, 50's and 60's, broke and alone, with nothing to show for the decades you gave them.  They will not mourn your spiritual death.  They will keep using people until they've sucked every ounce of energy they have and every dime they give; and then ntcc will kick them out and kick them while they are down.

The ntcc does not care about you. This is not Christianity.  This is not the love of God.  This is not forgiveness.  This is not Charity.  This is not brotherly love, or kindness, or mercy, or grace or peace.  Wake up, we wouldn't warn you if we didn't care.  We don't want you to have to go down the road so many of us went down!  God is Love.

Facing The Giants Revival Scene: Video Link


Bonus Videos:

"Never Give Up On Me" Blog Post

A Few Words to the Wise

Good Morning all!  We just wanted to share a few scriptures with the ntcc leadership this morning.  We sincerely hope that if the shoe fits you will put it on.


Luke 11:42


"But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and PASS OVER JUDGMENT AND THE LOVE OF GOD: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone."


Luke 11:44


"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as GRAVES WHICH APPEAR NOT, and the men that walk over [them] ARE NOT AWARE [of them]."


Luke 12:33-34


"Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."


Is there anyone that can find it in their heart to repent?  First you have to admit to corruption.  I am not perfect but I have been honest with the followers of this blog and with God.  Can you honestly look at the scriptures above and say that you say that your treasures are in heaven?  Can you disregard all of what Jesus said and taught about the poor, the widow and the orphan and continue to heap riches to yourselves?  Can you honestly take part in the double standards and hypocrisy that you know exists in the ntcc?  


We are not here to condemn everyone that continues with the ntcc.  We do warn people of the dangers that are present in the ntcc and any other cult.  It's the right thing to do.  Minds are being controlled by fear; and people defy common sense because of feelings.  People in other cults have the exact same feelings that you have.  They too feel God present in their lives.  God honors His word.  When you put God before everything in your life you will feel God.  


This is where common sense has to overcome the greed of a few leaders.  Let's look at the facts:


1.  The ntcc is built upon extreme sacrifice of many to benefit a few.


2.  Large amounts of the money you give go to making the Davis and Kekel families rich.  Was Jesus or any of His disciples rich with the treasures of this world?  


3.  Have you ever seen the Kekel or Davis families do any of the things they require of you?  How many doors have you seen them knock on?  How many times have you seen them sacrificing for the work of God?  They will tell you they have.  


4.  Where is the love of God toward the brethren?  When someone leaves the church they are forgotten.  NTCC never leaves the 99 to go after the 1.  Then they speak evil of those that leave and you listen not even wanting to hear why.


5.  If you ask a question concerning other churches, why is there a negative response ?  And why is every other church considered to be teaching false doctrine except for the ntcc?  Why is it so hard to see the double standards which exist in the ntcc?  You need to take the beam out of your own eye so you can see clearly to cast the mote out of your brother's eye.  


6.  Why do Christians in the ntcc allow fear to motivate them to do things that defy common sense?  Why would you not be allowed to communicate with people in other ntcc churches, or have fellowship meetings without an overseer present?  


There are many other questions you can ask yourself; but because of fear many people in the ntcc continue to contribute their time and money to an organization that is more corrupt than most of the cults ntcc teaches against publicly.  Many leaders have seen this and left ntcc; because they could not continue in good conscience knowing what they know.  Many of them are warning you and their leaders of the destructive nature of the ntcc.  Many are contemplating but are still afraid that they can not have salvation or a reality in God outside of the ntcc.  Many are so filled with ntcc doctrine and have invested so much in the ntcc that they have nothing on the outside to fall back on.  This is where you have to trust Jesus and do the right thing.  Let your mind heal and get out from under the cloud of condemnation that you live under.  

Right is right and wrong is wrong.  God's plan is not meant to be any more difficult than we make it.  


DnA

Holiness or Hell? Part 1

During our combined twenty two + plus years in the ntcc, we have heard the term "Holiness or Hell" used from behind the pulpit, during bible studies, and in general conversation many times.  Without going into our own personal opinions and convictions that might agree or disagree with the ntcc on many holiness issues, we think that it is important to get down to the root of the problem or matter however you might see it.

My issue with holiness preachers has nothing to do with the content of holiness teachings but with the way it comes across.  With the ntcc every thing comes across the pulpit as:

• "Do or Die."
• "My Way or the Highway!"
• "Heaven or Hell!"
•  etc... 

But they also throw around the question,

• "What would Jesus do?"

That is a great question; and one we all should strive to achieve.  I do not ever remember Jesus saying follow me or you will die and go to hell.  It seemed to me that the ones that followed him did so more so out of love than fear.

The reason that the ntcc is so cut and dry on many issues is that they are a cult.
They use these teachings as ultimatums:

• to gain more control
• to create fear
• to make their group seem more elite
• to make it harder to obtain membership in their exclusive club

This is a very dangerous road to travel down; because the group that usually gets excluded are the people that are the opposite of proud, the least of God's children, and the ones that are the most easily offended. The ntcc have said in the past that "It's God's word that is offending them not our preaching."  By saying this they are displaying their lack of forgiveness and a judgmental attitude that runs many off; in spite of the fact that they do preach Christ crucified. It's counter-productive to introduce holiness or hell after you just got done preaching Jesus' blood or hell.

While there are many teachings in the bible that are the "do's and don'ts" of Christianity there are also teachings that we adhere to that are not all "cut and dry".  Many things in the bible apply to customs of the time and Old Testament Law.  Tithe is a concept that has absolutely no supporting New Testament Scripture; but it is a huge part of ntcc's teaching; because in ntcc tithe is used to separate Christians from sinners and to distinguish those that are saved from those who are not.  And, more importantly to the ntcc, tithe is used to gain revenue ($$$$$$).  Not only do they hammer tithe; but they add all kinds of offerings and use more cult loaded jargon to guilt people to give.  There were many times that I was encouraged to give more than I could; and it was done in a way that made me feel that if I didn't pledge money that I didn't have that I lacked the faith to trust God [manipulation].  Now, I'm finding out that what I did give was funding the higher-ups' lifestyle more than it was helping those for whom the money was designated.  I do not have any problem with somebody paying their tithe; but when it is preached as a stipulation to being saved it takes the blessing away from the giver; and I have to say that there is no scriptural evidence that supports this teaching.

The same applies with holiness teaching.  If someone is taught holiness or hell, it makes holiness an ultimatum and people live it out of fear instead of love.  Most of what the ntcc preaches and teaches is not necessarily un-biblical, although some of it is; but it is the way in which they erupt from the pulpit and spew out ultimatums that makes it wrong.  I could take a dog that dumps on the carpet and stick its nose in it and beat the dog until it can barely walk; and it fears me every time I come near it.  Or I can choose a method like putting a dog door in the house and showing the dog his mess, give the dog some verbal reprimand and possibly a small swat to get his attention and then put him through the dog door.  I wonder which method works the best with Christians?  I wonder which method would bring in the most money into the offering plates?  I wonder if holiness was not preached as a prerequisite to make it into heaven if you might find more takers?

Part of the problem that I have with the ntcc's preaching is that they add to and take away from true holiness.  The ntcc's stand on facial hair on men is not scriptural in any way and has no place being preached as a requirement to being a Christian whether or not it is implied or in the form of public rebuke.  Is not holiness an outward appearance for an inward work?  How does the ntcc's stand on encouraging divorce not apply to "holiness or hell" preaching?  It seems like this is allowed because it would call into question the legitimacy of the entire organization, its founder, and the reasons he started a cult instead of adhering to the principles of the organization that would not allow him to do his own thing.   I could go into how tanya kekel dresses and how michael c. kekel has conducted himself, and whether or not football pants are lascivious, and many other questionable doctrines of  the ntcc; but I think that we have covered this sufficiently.  The holiness or hell doctrine that was preached the entire time that I was in the ntcc, which was 1983 - 1997 [Don] and 1990 -1999 [Ange], has been broken and changed many times by the ntcc leadership to cover their own shortcomings [compromise].

We have found that serving God is not supposed to be this difficult; and that God is much more forgiving than the ntcc.  We appreciate all that contribute to this blog; but we especially recognize the X-ers for what they have had to endure over the years.  We were all made to live as slaves to a machine that tried to control our thoughts and actions by the use of intimidation, public embarrassment and humiliation.  I really believe as said before that there will be a special dispensation of grace for those that had to endure this kind of spiritual abuse; and that God has not forsaken us because we have left this evil and wicked organization; but rather it is the first step in a long process of healing and definitely a move in the right direction toward inward holiness without hell being rammed down our throats.

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E)   Holiness Comes From The Heart, Not From Rules.

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Pitchfork Religion or Fishy Doctrine

mike kekel put together a blog post from material written by others that he used in an effort to accuse Xers of wrongdoing just because they no longer attend ntcc and have stated why they won't follow hypocrites like kekel and davis.  What is sad but true is that kekel's blog post does a better job of condemning him and davis than it does of condemning  Xers.  Let's look at some things kekel quoted and his discussion:

"This is part 6 of the Secondary qualities (pages 41 to 81) It reveals the thinking behind people who leave and rise up against people they once revered."

Immediately following is an excerpt from practical theology class which is made up mostly of comments from non-ntcc Christians, these words are shared:

“No other man, but the retired millionaire, is such a monarch of his day as is the minister. He can read on Monday morning, or write, or walk, or mingle all three, just as he deems best. On Tuesday morning, he can attend to his correspondence, or catalogue his library, or eat the heart out of some new book, or meet a company of friends, just as he decides. The order of his going out and coming in is largely at his own discretion. Living within wide liberty is dangerous; it has spoiled thousands. He can adapt any style of preaching that he likes, he can follow whatever line of thought he chooses … and … (this) begets in certain types of men a tone of mind which says: “I am Sir Oracle, and when I open my lips, let no dog bark.” … Here is a true description of ministers not a few: ‘They love the chief places at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, and the salutations in the market-place, and to be called of men, Rabbi."

“In the realm of parish administration, a puffed-up shepherd exhibits symptoms which have been often deplored. He resents all divergence from his opinions. Men who do not agree with him are set down as his foes. He treats them as traitors to the cause of truth. All who will not carry out his wishes have the mark of the beast. He is irritated by the least opposition. He is mortified by the failure of a single plan. Any independence of thought he considers a personal affront."

Don and Ange say,

Does this sound like anyone you know?  To us all these negative traits being condemned by non-ntcc Christians are most often exhibited by the ntcc borg 'leaders' such as davis and kekel.

For example:

"No other man, but the retired millionaire, is such a monarch of his day as is the minister." "The order of his going out and coming in is largely at his own discretion."

That really describes the borg 'leaders' like davis and kekel.  Who determines when they go anywhere?  Or who even knows what they do all day?  They sit around all day and make rules that limit you - where you can work,  telling you not to seek promotion or higher education, requiring that you report how much income you make, what hours you can work, how often you have to be in church.  And all the while you have no idea what they are doing, or whether or not they are even in town or just skipping service.  I've seen davis lay out of church plenty of times when he was at the campground and in St. Louis.  Nobody dares to say anything to him about it either because:

"(this) begets in certain types of men a tone of mind which says: “I am Sir Oracle, and when I open my lips, let no dog bark."

You know what we're talking about.  Just try to raise your hand in one of those ntcc bible studies and see what happens.  You will get shot down.  They don't even want you to ask questions about the bible.  You definitely don't want to see their reaction if you question them about there whereabouts of their spending habits.  They are completely unaccountable to you.  They can go where they want, spend what they want, do what they want.  

But they hold the reins on your life.  Your wife can't work.  You can not go to school.  You have to meet every church service and obligation.  They know how much money you make and require you give them one tenth.  But they never prove where that money goes.  They are completely unaccountable to you.

Here is a true description of ministers not a few:  ‘They love the chief places at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, and the salutations in the market-place, and to be called of men, Rabbi." 

Taken from the scripture, the quoted material is speaking of hypocrites who require you to save them the best seats in the church, like on the altar, or front pew, and demand you call them a title like Pastor.  Hmmn.  Sounding familiar yet?  As if that doesn't paint a clear picture of the ntcc, this next paragraph does even more so:

“In the realm of parish administration, a puffed-up shepherd exhibits symptoms which have been often deplored. He resents all divergence from his opinions. Men who do not agree with him are set down as his foes.  He treats them as traitors to the cause of truth. All who will not carry out his wishes have the mark of the beast. He is irritated by the least opposition. He is mortified by the failure of a single plan. Any independence of thought he considers a personal affront."

WOW.  That so describes kekel and davis.  Listen to kekel's own crazy description of anyone who no longer attends ntcc.  kekel said,

"I consider them my enemies!" -- m c kekel "

HELLO!

The whole article that kekel strung together really condemns him.  Of course, he tries to pitchfork his condemnation off onto the Xers, stating that the material he's quoting:

"It reveals the thinking behind people who leave and rise up against people they once revered." m c kekel, ntcc CEO

Really, mike?  This entire writing screams out to that part of one's brain that houses common sense and logic. I wish that I had gone straight to the ntcc bible school and taken this bs class 27 years ago. I would have seen the ntcc leadership for the hypocrites they are and left, instead of ruining the last 27 years of my life. We think your blog smog more clearly reveals your own twisted heart thus:

"It reveals the hypocrisy of those who are highly revered towards people that leave because they disagree with ntcc doctrines!" 

or, as kekel stated, "I consider them my enemies!"  WOW!

Vote Anonymously By Clicking On The Lettered Boxes Below:
A) Sounds Like A True Description of ntcc.
B) ntcc Sounds Like A Cult.
C) I Read This Post.
D) kekel sounds bitter and hateful.
E) kekel is pitchforking.
F) I'm afraid to get caught commenting on this blog.
G) Glad To Be Out of ntcc!
H) I've seen kekel, davis, and many other ntcc preachers act like that proud, "I AM SIR ORACLE" spirit. That's why they don't allow anyone to disagree with them or even question them.
I) I'm Thinking Of Leaving ntcc.
J) Create Your Own
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Am I in a Cult?

The following test is to determine if you are in a cult. Please review answers when done. No cheating!!!


1. Which of the following statements is true concerning the giving of money and church leadership of a cult?

a) Money is not a determining factor. If a member was homeless and had no income they would never be made to feel uncomfortable. As long as they accepted Christ, they would be loved as a brother.

b) Money is a factor. If a member gets saved they will pay tithe and give everything they possibly can  to the work of God. If they don't, the leadership will tell them it's the Holy Ghost that will make them feel uncomfortable and unwelcome.

c) Money is a factor. If A member pays tithe and doesn't give in offerings they will be tolerated and made to feel welcome but not very comfortable by the leadership.

d) b and c are both correct depictions of how cults operate.

2. Which of the following is true concerning the allocation of funds in a cult organization?

a) The majority of the funds are put to use in the ministry to help missionaries and those pioneering new churches with start up money and any necessary costs associated with starting a church.

b) Money is set aside for and members are encouraged to help the sick, the poor and the afflicted; and the church leadership never looks down their nose at those in need.

c) Church leadership is transparent and truthful about where funds are being spent, allowing their members to know where their hard earned dollars are going.

d) The majority of church members, ministers and missionaries give large amounts of money and exert much energy and sweat equity into what they think is helping lost souls; while the very few that benefit from this are living in luxury, and hoarding all of the rewards to themselves.

3. Which of the following is true concerning the control of the church members lives in a cult?

a) Church members are shown the scriptures and taught the bible and allowed to live according to the conviction of the Holy Spirit and as they feel led by God in their own conscience.

b) Church members are given time to grow in Christ and not expected to be perfect. They are also allowed to have an opinion and are not humiliated publicly if their opinion differs from that of the leadership.

c) Church members are encouraged to stay in contact with friends and family and not discouraged from staying in contact with others that have moved on to different endeavors.

d) Church members are told what the bible says, what the bible means and are shown the door if they disagree with the leadership even if the leadership is corrupt and adding rules that exceed and/or have nothing to do with scripture, but are propagated to create strict obedience to the "man of God".

4. Which of the following is true concerning dating and relationships in a cult?

a) Members are highly encouraged to wait until they have been through seminary or bible school before they can be spiritually prepared for marriage and they can be "assisted" in finding a mate by the leadership.

b) Talking to members of the opposite sex must be approved by the church leadership on a case by case basis.

c) Certain members are prohibited from talking to or dating other members because it is determined by the super spiritual leader that members are not intelligent enough or spiritual enough to make their own decisions regarding these matters.

d) All of the above are true concerning cult dating and relationship (unwritten) policies.

5. Which of the following is true concerning the women's role in a cult?

a) A woman is to keep her mouth shut and pray. She is to be seen, not heard. A woman's job is to be a flower; she is only supposed to look pretty and smell nice. Her opinion means absolutely nothing.

b) A woman's wedding ring gives her no authority in marriage or the ministry. She could give advice on feminine products but nothing to do with solid Christianity.

c) Women are considered property and are to be in complete submission to their husbands and the church leadership. When they are single they are a precious commodity and are nurtured tenderly until they are given in marriage to those most highly esteemed by the leadership; and then they are ruled with an iron fist and are considered rebellious if they disagree and cast out for minor transgressions.

d) All of the above are true pertaining to a woman's role in a cult.

6. Which of the following statements are true concerning the example set by the leadership of a cult?

a) The leadership should not expect a member to do anything different than the word of God requires them to do.

b) The leadership should live above reproach and guard their testimony even more than the member least their actions prove them to be hypocrites.

c) The leadership should not live a double standard that allows them to enjoy worldliness but constricts members by imposing multiple lists of do's and don'ts that makes them walk on egg shells all the time.

d) None of the above statements are true concerning the example that is set by the leadership of a cult.

7. Which of the following statements are true concerning children in a cult?

a) Children are a blessing to a man and his wife and the future of the work of God.

b) Children are a hindrance to the work of God.

c) Men should get vasectomies so their ministries will not be hindered by filthy evil children.

d) Children are to be excluded from many secular activities, not allowed to participate in sporting events and raised like miniature preachers unless they are part of the leadership in which case a special dispensation of grace is allowed so the child does not have to grow up like a nerd or a dork.

e) b, c and d are all examples of statements which are true regarding children in a cult.

8. Which of the following statements is true about the credibility of the leadership of a cult?

a) The founder is forthcoming and transparent about his credentials and does not keep them a mystery to his congregation.

b) The leadership has no credibility and the church has no accreditation and there is no accountability amongst them for any of their controversial doctrines.

c) The leadership is very evasive and argumentative when asked to explain or verify credentials.

d) Both b and c are true statements concerning the credibility of the leadership of a cult.

9. Which of the following is true about the accountability of the leadership of a cult?

a) There are checks and balances in place in a church group's organization structure to ensure one man does not abuse his office or hurt people for the sake of money or power.

b) The leadership is accountable to God only and can make any rules no matter how outlandish they may be without answering to anybody wether they are right or wrong.

c) The members and clergy of a church are allowed to voice opposition to wrong doing and corruption without retribution.

d) The leadership lives by example and are transparent about their dealings so they do not appear to be hiding things that are damaging to their congregations.

10. True or False?

" If a person is told they are a Christian, goes to church and feels God, hears the word of God preached, feels love from some of the other members and some of the clergy, it is impossible for them to be in a cult."

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1.  d

2.  d

3.  d

4.  d

5.  d

6.  d

7.  e

8.  d

9.  b

10. f

Today's Subject: All are Welcome!

Come Into My Parlor ...

... Said The Spyder To The Fly ...

At ntcc I'm sure you've heard the expression:

"All are welcome"

While this is a catch phrase ntcc uses to allure people out to their cult meetings, it is actually a true statement.  They do welcome all to their cult meetings.  They welcome all so they can blast all.  At ntcc the doors are open to all; but if you don't like the preaching, "Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you!" ...

Most of what I've seen in my years of servitude in the servicemen's homes was that many of the pastors would run people off before they ever got a chance to consider being saved.  The ntcc preacher would preach salvation through one side of his mouth, holiness through the other side of his mouth while making it personal by scowling and growling, then using his fingers to point at folks, while glaring with his eyes to make them feel more uncomfortable.  All this on top of the conviction of the Holy Ghost.  It's a wonder any of us ever got saved.

Let's take a closer look at who's welcome and who is not. 

WELCOME:

1.  Saved - definition varies from pastor to pastor.

2.  Tithe payer.

3.  Gives in all offerings.

4.  Men must dress like dorks in wingtips, white shirts, and polyester slacks.

5.  Women must wear dresses, skirts and scarves.

6.  Women are made to wear wigs if their natural hear is too short or sloppy for ntcc standards.

7.   Men and Women must attend all sevices and events.

8.  Men and Women that shout AMEN and PREACH to everything the preacher says are always welcome.

NOT WELCOME:

1.  Unsaved after their 1st service.

2.  Those who don't pay tithe.

3.  Those who don't give in offerings.

4.   Men who wear shorts, jeans, t-shirts, tight clothing, or if they look too cool.

5.   Men who are not clean shaven.

6.   Men with tattoos that show, piercings or long hair.

7.   Women with short hair.

8.   Women wearing pants, shorts and tight clothing.

9.   Women that believe they are to be treated equal to men.

10. Women and men that disagree with anything that comes accross the pulpit.

11. Women that are called to do something other than wash dishes and cook.

12. Women that wear make-up.

13. Men who wear double-breasted suits.

14. Those who have televisions, unless they are used to advertise for church.

15.  No child molesters unless they are a future board member  fondling the founder's daughter, or are on a double date with him doing the same, or if it is the founder himself fondling a young girl, or if he runs the print shop, or works in the office for rodger w. davis.

16.  Children that "hinder the work of Gawd".

Do you get the picture here?  Now I'm not saying that ntcc preachers always blast people on these points from behind the pulpit; but these are some of the do's and dont's that will eventually get you an invitation to leave the org. if they are not adhered to.  While you might not be blasted on all of these items from behind the pulpit you will be made to feel unwelcome.  ntcc knows that if they can make people feel unwelcome those folks  won't come back.

The emphasis in ntcc is placed more on the standards than it is on the Love of Christ.  

There is however one subject that will always without fail get you blasted from behind the pulpit and that is not paying tithe or giving in offerings.  If ntcc pastors were to spend their time behind the pulpit preaching the love of God and lifting up Christ rather than coming across like a snake oil salesmen after your money, they would get more people to stay and give willingly; and their churches would prosper. 

I remember there was this older guy that used to come out to the servicemen's home in Ft. Bragg and give large amounts of money in the offerings; and he would bring hundreds of one dollar bills and give them out to the brethren.  He was allowed to hang around inspite of the fact that he didn't conform to any of the ntcc standards other than the money flow standards.  He hung around through 3 pastor's and even showed up at a conference at Holly Hills and was praised by rwd from behind the pulpit.  It turned out that this man was a homosexual that was attracted to the young men at the servicemen's home and was finally run off after it was reported that he physically tried to get into the pants of one of the servicemen; but this advance was refused; and the man was outed by the shocked soldier.

As for # 15 on the list of dont's I would like to leave the following disclaimer.  While I believe it happened and that the eye wittness accounts are reliable, I havn't seen irrefutable evidence that proves it actually happened.  I will say this however.  At ntcc we are expected to "abstain from the very appearence of evil".  We are also taught and preached to about how important our testimony is.  We do not go into bars because we don't want to damage our testimony.  What is the ntcc leadership thinking?  In most states this is called statutory rape and is punishable by a prison sentence.  This just shows the arrogance and the double standard that the leadership of ntcc lives by.  Did kekel and teenya have to go sit on the wall after asking permission to speak from rwd?  No?  Surely they were not allowed to be alone where they would be tempted to feel each other up?  But that is what happened.  Hmmn.   I'm sure, being the examples of beleiver's that they claim to be, that they would not do anything to bring shame on the work of God...  Would they?  But they did bring shame and refused to repent.  They probably did worse than all their peers who allegedly made the rules.  I'm sure they have always felt the rules do not apply to them.

Wow, I wonder what would happen if Christians were trusted to make their own decisions regarding dating and relationships.  What would happen if Christians were trusted to guard their own testimonies or to "work out your own salvation"?  I wonder if there would be more joy in the ntcc Christians' lives and if they would be more productive.

I've often heard preachers at ntcc say," I've never seen a Charismatic get saved.  I've never seen a person from a certain ethnic group get saved.  I've never seen a homosexual get saved."  I believe this may be true; they have never seen it; because they don't believe it will happen.  I believe that none of these have a chance in the ntcc; because they are so quickly run off.  How can they get saved if they are hated and run out of the church?  Is the blood of Christ not powerful enough to save a homosexual or a Charismatic or a Puerto Rican or any other group that's "hard to save"?  Maybe it's because ntcc has passed all of these groups off as reprobates; or maybe it's because they are not good tithers.  How can they repent if they are not brought to the foot of the Cross?

Next time you see an ntcc church flyer or T.V. ad, or hear an ntcc soul winner or pastor say that all are welcome, believe them.  They will shake your hand before and after church service.  They will not refuse your money.  But if you are looking for a church that will allow God to move in your life, you would be better served by going to an online e-church service where at least you don't have to worry about getting germs from a phony hand-shake.