NTCC Lies and Broken Promises from Deborah's Witness

February 5, 1997

Letter of Dispatch
Letter of Support

Re: Greg T. S.
508-1 Sang Yon Dong
P.O. Box 19
Tongduchun
Republic Of Korea

To Whom concerned,

This is to certify that Rev. Greg T. S. is an ordained minister in good standing with the New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. This is to further certify that Rev. Greg T. S. has been granted an appointment to Korea that he may serve as a Pastor and spiritual director of U.S. servicemen. His role as a servicemen’s director consists of providing a place of spiritual fellowship and relaxation, etc. for US servicemen. Also, New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. will be responsible for the financial support of Rev. and Mrs. Greg T. S. during their stay in Korea to include all expenses that relate to their meals and lodging.

Thanking you for your help and cooperation in this matter.

Sincerely,
//Signed//
J.R. Ashmore (Secretary)

Here’s the link to the original.

COMMENTS: I did not become an ordained minister until 2006. We never receive the promised financial support (yes, we asked).

We had to pay for all the mandatory conferences, and make up all the difference in the church bills. Again…Yes, I did ask for money from HQ (one time), citing this letter as authorization. We were told (by Rev. Olson) if the bills weren’t paid we would be replaced (or in his words...if you can’t pay the bills, your replacement will be bringing the check); this letter was just a formality to get us into the country (along with our visa, which was tourist). We had only been in Korea 6 months by this time.

Previous to this, Deborah and I were pastoring a self supporting work, we did not have to work secular jobs, liked where we were at, had brothers living in the home, and had only been there (Leesville) 9 months. Before we arrived in Korea this first time, we were told by Pastor Davis the work in Korea was self supporting, we wouldn’t have to work a secular job, and the Korean church had a sizable congregation; with brothers living in the home.

When we arrived, I was told by Rev. Stevens I had to get a secular job; that this was approved and encouraged by Rev. Olson. When I called Rev. Olson about this, he confirmed.

Rev. Stevens was in a hurry to do changeover/sign the books over to me (the day after we got there), but after we started some things didn’t add up (more on this later). At changeover about a week later the general fund had about $23 in it, with no escrow fund. The work was not self supporting, had a small congregation (less than 20), and no one was living in the servicemen’s home. I also did not get my pastor salary the entire time we were there.

The budget for this work, during this time (1997-2001), averaged about $5,000 per month year round.

Rev. Steven’s also told us it would be a good idea for Deborah to get a job (like his wife had), so we would have the additional money that was needed, and that HQ approved of this. I called Rev. Olson; he confirmed, and told me sometimes certain things were necessary in the work of the Lord. I resisted having Deborah work for as long as I could, but after our request to NTCC for money was denied, she got a job.

Please note: Rev. Olson assured me Pastor Davis knew and approved of all this. Rev. Stevens assured me Rev. Olson knew and approved of all this. Also, Rev. and Sis. MacDonald encouraged my wife and I in Deborah getting a job with the same company Sis. MacDonald (and Sis. Stevens) worked for each time they have been in Korea.

There are many more details to this account but this will do for now.

In His Service,

Gregory

[link to this article on Deb and Greg's blog.]

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A) Sounds Like a True Description of ntcc

B) Sounds Like ntcc is a Cult

C) I Read It

D) ntcc lied about supporting Greg and Deb financially. ntcc lied to the Korean government about Deb and Greg being "tourists". ntcc is dAVIS and oLSON and aSHMORE in this true story TELLING LIES.

E) ntcc is designed to make a few families at the top very rich while the majority of workers live sacrifice and poverty only to be threatened by ntcc 'leaders' who have been lying to them. !??!

F) Create Your Own "F" ntcc 'leaders' don't keep the rules they make for others to keep. That is a double-standard and is wrong, just like the Pharisees/scribes/and hypocrites Jesus reproached telling us "They SAY and DO NOT." (ALL TALK, NO WALK)!

G) Glad To Be Out of ntcc

H) Create Your Own "H" ntcc should have to PROVE where ALL the (Mission Fund) money they collect goes. They say they are honest. We say PROVE IT or be found liars!

I) I'm Thinking Of Leaving ntcc

J) Create Your Own

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ntcc: A Money-Making Pyramid Scheme

In a comment on our thread titled "Dog Show or Winterfest" April said,

"BUT,have you really been called of God? Ntcc is a Organization based on FALSE teachers. So how can it be of God?"

That's a good question April. The answer is that they "have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof." I believe that there are people saved in the ntcc, and called to preach even; but there is so much other garbage going on that God can't move. God can't bless unrepented of sin. When people gather together and call on God, God moves. But this is all they have to hang their hat on is "a feeling."

When I was in the ntcc, I believe that I was saved; but it was a shallow, restrictive Christianity. We were too critical of everyone around us to be effective. This critical attitude was taught and nurtured by the pastors in the Servicemen's homes and imitated by the members. But guess what? Do you think that the pastors learned this behavior on their own? It was taught to them by davis, kekel and the rest of that bunch up in Washington.

I used to bring carloads and vanloads of people out to church; but what was I really doing? Not only were they run off by the Holier than thou attitude we had, but we probably turned them away from ever wanting God. People like you and me still got saved; but how could God have blessed us in an environment where so much tearing down of the brethren took place?

I know I had good intentions; and I'd like to think that I led people to Christ. But just about every person that I know of that I invited to church has been run off. Out of 13 years of work, and bringing thousands of people to church, can God not keep one person? I'm not bragging about how many people I brought to church, but just trying to figure out what happened to them all.

I think that the ntcc is built like a multi-level marketing pyramid scheme. The highly esteemed rdub was a salesman at one time and if you look at the model of AMWAY or NIKEN or any other pyramid scheme, you'll find that they are cults in and of themselves.

They introduce you into their sales gimmick without telling you all the details up front. You have to go out to one of their meetings first. (Sound familiar?)

Then they try to make you feel that you are going to be a part of something unique and special. (Love Bombing.)

They show you the success stories of the rich and famous within their organization. (Supposing gain is godliness. So that you can have men's persons in admiration because of advantage. [So you can admire them, and suck-up to them because of the money and power they have.])

And tell you that it's a numbers game. You don't have to do any sales yourself, all you have to do is get them out to a professional sales pitch meeting (church); and the ones that have the experience in convincing people to spend money on stuff they don't want will get the sales for you (preachers / hirelings)...

Oh, and by the way, there is an initial investment (building funds, church budget offerings) usually over a thousand dollars and a monthly investment that they now call autoship (tithe and offerings), where you buy $100 per month of their product to get to the next level. If you get ten people to one of their meetings, one person will show enough interest to get ten more people out to one of their meetings; and then it's supposed to multiply.

But what you end up with is:

• A bunch of suckers that have spent thousands of dollars on a bunch of worthless junk.
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• And 99% of the people involved never succeeding.
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• And 1% that are getting filthy rich off of the work off the backs of a bunch of suckers.

That's how ntcc works:

• You invite droves of people out to church.
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• And one or two might get genuinely saved.
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• But then after years of being beaten down they end up leaving.

What have you accomplished?

You brought thousands ($$$,$$$) in tithe to the church; so that the fat cats in Graham could support their lavish lifestyles!

They sing about victory in Jesus, but where is their victory? They might have some conferences that God supposedly moves in; but after the joy and the worked up frenzy is gone then comes the plowing and beating down of the brethren.

It's all about the very few prospering off of the very hard work of many. Let's say ntcc has 10,000 people in it now: 9,000 are just "playing church" and 1,000 are truly dedicated; and 900 of these 1,000 of them will be beaten down and left for dead. What you have left is 100 that are either the rich and affluent or the few hold outs that think one day "they too will be like mike" [kekel].

ntcc is a pyramid money-making scam. Nothing more, nothing less. It is evil of them to dress it in robes of religion; but that is what satan does. He acts like he knows God's word better than you do [Thou shalt NOT surely die.] he spins a lie, hoping you will bite into the forbidden fruit and perish.

But we don't have to fall for satan and ntcc's devices. We have the Holy Spirit to teach us the truth, inspiring men and women to expose these FALSE teachers in ntcc; just as April has pointed out.
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B) Sounds Like ntcc is a Cult

C) I Read It

D) ntcc puts too much emphasis on money and numbers instead of souls

E) ntcc is a pyramid money-making scheme designed to make a few families at the top very rich while the majority of workers live sacrifice and poverty

F) Create Your Own By Leaving A Comment: Example: "F" ntcc leaders may preach Jesus, but they WORSHIP the 'almighty' dollar

G) Glad To Be Out of ntcc

H) Create Your Own "H" If you cost ntcc money, they will discard you to protect their true love, money.

I) I'm Thinking Of Leaving ntcc

J) Create Your Own

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