eX-members' of ntcc Blogspot

A safe place for Xers to share their stories and heal.

A place to learn what it's really like in the ntcc founded by Rodger Wilson Davis;
and run by his son-in-law, Michael Craig Kekel,
the father of the one vasectomy-rule-exception kid in ntcc, Grant Davison Kekel.

Ezekiel 12:11

Say, I 'am' your sign: like as I have done, so shall it be done unto them: they shall remove 'and' go into captivity.

He Loves A House More Than God: Bonco Mansions of kekel (l) and davis (r)

He Loves A House More Than God:  Bonco Mansions of kekel (l) and davis (r)
"He loves a house more than God:" *Bonco* Mansions of kekel (l) and davis (r). Meanwhile, on the mission field: ntcc Missionaries to the Philippines "Rev. and Sis. Mackert ... found a place, 9 feet by 14 feet [9'x14'] and one bathroom. It is on the 6th floor and there is no elevator. The last place they had stayed, they had to share a common bathroom with the other tenants! Yikes! This place has their very own private bathroom, although the Rev. shared there is no seat on the throne, and no way to attach one…." from The Devonshire Files Sunday, May 28, 2006 Visit from the Mackerts (5/06). ** Should you know where the money ($$$$$) goes? **

Jesus In The Temple

Matt 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, Matt 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Gal. 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Skip To Blue Letter Bible Search Tool

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Saturday, May 21, 2011

Casey Hayes: Why I Left NTCC

true story
Why I Left NTCC
Thread Link:
http://truestoriesoflifeinthentcc.blogspot.com/2009/04/why-i-left-ntcc.html

4/01/2009
Why I left NTCC
By Casey Hayes
Thread #12


I want to explain to everyone why I left ntcc and why I am speaking out against them now. I was in ntcc from 1982 – 2006. Most of those years were as an ordained minister in good standing. When I first left ntcc in 2006, I just wanted to go away quietly, and not say anything negative. But after exhaustively reading all the complaints against ntcc, studying the issues, and talking to people firsthand—I am absolutely convinced that ntcc is a seriously messed up church organization; that it uses cult tactics to manipulate and control it’s preachers and their families; and that their main purpose is to make Davis and the Kekels incredibly rich.

I left ntcc, because I was completely disillusionedwith the whole organization, especially the leaders. It became very evident to me that 24 years of loyal service didn’t amount to a hill of beans, and that I would always be broke and in poverty if I remained in ntcc any longer.

Me, my wife and my two kids had just come back from 3 years of intense hardship in Puerto Rico. Although, the church eventually gave us some support there, it was lukewarm support, and Rev. Olson made it very clear that the church could not “afford” to help us more. I won’t go into the details here, but I will say that I sold my house and cars to go to PR, and spent $8000 of my OWN money. In the 3 years we lived there, we had NO furniture—and were broke most of the time. I even got very sick down there (so sick I couldn’t work), but the leadership of ntcc acted like they didn’t care. All they cared about was—church reports and offerings. We were the Fourth couple to go to Puerto Rico (Medina, Casanova & Ramirez went before us), and that ALL the previous couples had also gone through intense financial problems down there, with lukewarm support, if any. It also became very apparent that Rev. Olson (who I have always looked up to), could not make ONE decision, no matter how minor, without getting permission from Davis. I thought he was CEO?

When I got back from PR I was physically, emotionally and spiritually drained. The church gave us a cold welcome. Some of you know what I am talking about.Now, friends of mine were happy to see me, but the leadership’s reception was a lot cooler. I had no possessions, no car, no nothing. But, what shocked me the most was how incredibly wealthy the Kekels and Davis were. Here we were basically starving (as are the missionaries in Panama and elsewhere), but the leaders are living in plush luxury. Olson said the church didn’t have the money to help us properly, but it is because the majority of the money is siphoned off to support the lifestyles of Davis and his family. Is this really what God had in mind? Is this really supported by the Bible? No way! As far as I’m concerned, ntcc is nothing but a big sham, and Davis is just a spiritual conman, who has duped a lot of people into giving all their money and time to make him and his daughter rich. Don’t tell me it’s God blessing, because it’s not. Anyone can guilt trip thousands of people into giving them 10% of their money and then live like kings. God has nothing to do with it.

Let me tell you the thing that pushed me to leave ntcc.Tanya and her mother were constantly coming up to me before and after church to tell me how much they were praying for me. At first I appreciated it, but after a couple of weeks it started getting annoying. I thought, “Why don’t your husbands come up to me?” Why the wives?But, it was basically, “Be ye warmed and filled…” while they went back to their mansions. Well, Tanya felt sorry for me so she gave me a bag full of old towels and sheets.They were wore out and had a hole in them, but I had nothing, so I gratefully took them. The next day I get in my $800 car and am driving down the street, when Tanya drives by in a brand new BMW 745!! That’s like a $100,000 car! It was then that I knew I had absolutely no value to ntcc. After 24 years of faithful service, I was worth a bag of old towels. You or me would have flipped someone $20 and said, go buy yourself some towels and sheets, but not the leadership of ntcc. They weren’t going to part with a penny of their wealth to help anyone, even though their sole income is from the tithes and offerings that you an I give. I calculated that I have given ntcc about $85,000 in tithe over the years. Doesn’t that count for anything? No way. Soon after that I see Mike Kekel tooling around in a brand new convertible Mercedes sports car ($65,000). Their son’s private schooling cost $18,000+ a year. You really get the impression that the Kekels have more money than they know what to do with—but don’t expect them to help you when you’re down and out. What does Tanya and her mother spend most of their time doing? Shopping (and everyone knows it).

Now, for those of you who think I jealous or envious, you’re wrong. I have no problem with a pastor living in a nice house and driving a new car. But, when almost all the church ministers are at the poverty level (and you know they are), while the leadership is living a life of intense luxury—something is seriously wrong. Why don’t you loyal ntccers open your eyes and see the obvious—that Davis has set up ntcc to make his family, and his only, incredibly rich. And he uses cult tactics to guilt trip everybody into giving their hard earned money to make them richer. (Even when I had no money to buy food for my family, or buy my kids clothes, I STILL paid my tithe). Are you aware that Davis’ house is valued at 1.1 million, and that Kekels’ is valued at $650,000. And both houses are decked out with the most expensive drapes, rugs, and furniture money can buy. Yet, if YOU want to buy a house, they will make you feel like you’re selling out God and putting the world first. How come they can have it, but you can’t?

So I left ntcc and it has been great. Yes, it was tramatic at first, because I felt like I had wasted 24 years of my life in a messed-up organization. But, God has blessed and I have made more money and been happier than anytime I was in ntcc. And I know it is God that has blessed me.They want you to think that those who leave ntcc are miserable, but it is ALL A LIE!!. Everyone I know who has left is doing great, and most find another church that appreciates them and lets them do what God wants them to do. There IS life after ntcc, and it is a whole lot better than what you have now.

Lastly, the reason I am speaking out against ntcc is because I am sick of the hypocrisy, the double standards, the fake holiness (where they dress holiness, but act without God’s love and mercy), the abusive pastors who never get punished, and the manipulation through fear and guilt of a lot of good men and women. NTCC has hurt a LOT of people. They have broken up families. They have destroyed good, godly men and women. They have caused much emotional and spiritual damage—sometimes permanently. Why does Tanya and her mother intentionally break up a marriage if one of the couples decides not to attend ntcc anymore? Where is that in the Bible? I thought Jesus said that what God has joined together, man should not separate? What hurt the most for me, was hearing that Davis and Kekel were going around lying about me, and saying I “misappropriated” money sent to us in PR. God and the angels in Heaven know that is a complete lie. They also say I left the church, because I wanted “money”. Sure I do—I was always living in poverty in ntcc, so why not want some money now that I’m out? I’m just trying to take care of my family like the Bible teaches. Davis and Kekel sure love money, and nobody seems to have a problem with that. At least I get my money honestly, without manipulating poor families into giving what they cannot, or jacking people up.

I honestly don’t know why some of you are still in ntcc. I guess, because they are so secretive of everything, and don’t let you talk to others in different works, you don’t see how bad things really are. When you do finally leave and look back with 20/20 vision, you’ll be shocked by what you see. And you’ll wonder why you didn’t leave years ago.

POSTED BY CASEY HAYES AT
4/01/2009 06:56:00 PM

Link to original:  http://truestoriesoflifeinthentcc.blogspot.com/2009/04/why-i-left-ntcc.html 

The original article has many relevant comments in addition to the main post.

Friday, May 20, 2011

Part 2: NTCC Missionaries Suffer Poverty While NTCC Board Members Live In Luxury

kekels drive luxury cars
while ntcc missionaries
struggle for basics
This BMW looks like the one Casey Hayes described seeing the kekel's driving around in when Casey came back from being a starving ntcc missionary to Puerto Rico...  Good to know the ntcc can afford to buy expensive luxury cars and motor homes for its Executive Board Members for their private benefit; but ntcc can not afford to take care of its missionaries' basic needs like food, shelter, furniture???  Who is scamming whom here folks?  Keep paying those mission fund pledges.  The "World Missions Director" needs another $325,000 Recreational Vehicle to drive around in while raising more money for ntcc, a ?non-profit? while missionaries report hardships like no food or furniture....


Missionaries' Testimonies:
1)  Veronica Medina Reports Hardship While Missionary to Puerto Rico for ntcc:

Following is a comment made by Veronica Medina, Former NTCC Missionary to Puerto Rico, NTCC Bible School or Seminary Instructor, and Minister. Her comment appeared on The Dispatch, a Washington state online newspaper that ran a series of five articles about the NTCC by reporter Bruce Smith. The articles no longer appear in the Dispatch Archives.

Here is Veronica's comment:
Posted: Thursday, April 08, 2010
Article comment by: Veronica Medina

Hi Bruce,
My name is Veronica Medina. I attended NTCC from 1971 to 1985. My husband and I always used our own money to move where ever RW Davis thought we should minister. Our last move was to Puerto Rico. We were led to believe that the organization would support us as missionaries there. We sold everything we had, packed up our 2 very young children and went there with great hope. After we paid our own airplane fare there and spent all the money we had to get established, we asked and did get money from NTCC to take care of some deposits needed. It was around $700. Little did I know that there would be no more money. It came to the point where "we had no money", not even enough to feed our children. I will never forget my sorrow when we attended a church down the street and my son who was 5 years old, was brought to me from Children's Church because he had the "dry heaves". You see, he had no food in his stomach to vomit. To make a long story short, my husband got a job working for $25 a day. We ended up getting (and I am ashamed to say it) on welfare. I admit I didn't tell NTCC that part because I
knew we would have to pay "tithes" on that money, but we needed it desperately. My husband and I both got very ill while in Puerto Rico and as a result did not have money for rent. I wrote to the leadership in NTCC explaining our plight. Did they respond? Oh yes, with a $100 LOAN. That was the last straw. We resigned and wanted nothing more to do with them. By the way, the explanation given to everyone was "the Medina's left for filthy lucre". I need to tell you, at the time I
thought we were a single incident of their cruelty. But I have since learned that this is a pattern for them. They have no conscious when it comes to their ministers and missionaries. My story is just one
story out of many.
By the way - life only got better after we left.


2)  Casey Hayes Reports Hardship While Missionary to Puerto Rico for ntcc: 

3)   Deb (B.) [now S.] and Greg S. support ntcc and themselves in Korea: 
 ntcc Lies And Broken Promises

Old Comment by Vic Johanson concerning ntcc receiving Missions Pledge monies for a mission that was CLOSED!

Vic Johanson said...

Well, I know that I paid for months on a pledge for Panama, only to find out that the work had been closed and NTCC had no one over there. When I busted them out, they acted all offended and came up with an interesting yarn about "escrowing" the money.

Seems like these "escrow" accounts are quite lucrative for them.

April 03, 2009 5:18 AM

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1)  Escrow Label:  Click  Here or on the word "escrow" in the "Labels" Section (below the voting boxes) to bring up a mobile series of stories related to NTCC escrow account funds that reportedly disappear into NTCC Corporate coffers.

Oh dear, the comments on the thread that started it all have a correction:

grant kekel's 1st
car was reportedly a
2006 Mercedes-Benz
SLK 55 AMG ROADSTER
Casey Hayes said...

OK, it was a Mercedes SLK 55 AMG. This is a top of the line model. Officially it is a "roadster" and not a "convertible"-- but the hardtop comes off. I'm sure Kekel was just confused about the definition of convertible. It retails for $65,000, has a 5.5L V-8 with 355 hp. I'm sure he needs all that horsepower to pick up all the people he's bringing out to church...
APRIL 02, 2009 8:45 AM

Tuesday, April 19, 2011

Part 1: ntcc Missionaries Suffer Poverty While ntcc Board Members Live In Luxury

Updated 2-16-2013
Matthew 25:40  Click to Watch On YouTube
Pagpalain kayo ng Diyos! - God Bless You!

Please think about this video the next time the ntcc leadership tries to offer some lame excuse for their lack of financial accountability. Think about the lifestyles of the board members who live in luxury while the ntcc missionaries report unbelievable financial hardship, such as:
Rev. and Sis. Mackert ... found a place, 9 feet by 14 feet [9'x14'] and one bathroom. It is on the 6th floor and there is no elevator. The last place they had stayed, they had to share a common bathroom with the other tenants! Yikes! This place has their very own private bathroom, although the Rev. shared there is no seat on the throne, and no way to attach one….
The Devonshire Files Sunday, May 28, 2006 Visit from the Mackerts (5/06) ntcc photo of the Mackerts at ntcc website:  http://www.myntcc.org/Manila/aboutus.aspx

Meanwhile, 
"the building goes on in Goshen" -- Which is ntcc code talk and bragging -- "Look at us, we are building lots of buildings in Graham, Washington! We are winning!' Blah, blah, blah
Yup, ntcc has a really nice cult compound called the Bonco where rodger w. davis, who supposedly retired back in 2004, lives in a $1.1 million dollar (Yikes!) mansion owned by the 'non-profit' (Yikes!) ntcc... Here's a picture of the davis palace:


Da davises' Domain Valued at $1,100,000.00 and built for a non-profit retiree who allegedly retired in 2004.
Hmmmnnn...  'BONCO!'

And  kekel has his second mansion, third house, this one built "behind the fence" of the ntcc's Bonco compound in Graham, Washington, right next door to da'-da' davis' palace.  Here's a picture of kekels' kastle:


kekels' kastle next door to da'-da' davis' domain on da Bonco !!

Looks like davis and kekel love their mansions more than they love God.  *Ahem.*  Right?  Right!  Sound familiar?  Uh, Yup!  Uh, Duh!

One person shared that tanya kekel was complaining about having to downsize because this current castle has a smaller kitchen and smaller walk-in closet than the last mansion she lived in (off 145th in Graham). Might we consider that the Mackerts lived in a 9' x 14' space that was probably smaller than only one of tk's walk-in closets!

You see in ntcc when they say the building goes on in Goshen, they are saying, "Oooh!  Look at us!  We are so wealthy.  We've built more mansions for us feudal lords and more rental properties for the serfs, the slaves with "strong backs and weak minds"; that way they can generate more income for us while they clean our mansions for free for us."

But God says:  Woe unto them that join house to house, [that] lay field to field, till [there be] no place, that they may be placed alone in the midst of the earth!" Isa. 5:8

Also, that statement, "the building goes on in Goshen" is so true;  the ntcc has used all kinds of slave labor to build their idolatrous temples to men; just as Pharaoh did.  And just like Pharaoh, ntcc used rigour and ruled with force and cruelty, taking away the straw of time, requiring a double quota of results to be produced.

God has heard the cries of His people.

Judgment is coming for some, deliverance for others.  What side will you be on?

Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 1 John 2:15

When bloggers began demanding financial accountability from the ntcc borg leaders, the ntcc decided to do damage control by publishing a smoke-screen article about how much money they spent on blacktop.  **YAWN!**  This was just a pitiful attempt to divert attention from where ALL the money goes.  But let's look at an image and talk about it some more:

Google Satellite Image of ntcc Graham, Washington cult compound for the ntcs unaccredited seminary:



Note all the black top.  Hmmn.  More important than feeding Filipinos?  Believe it or not, you decide.  You decide  by staying with a group and endorsing their actions.  Or by leaving a group and finding one that supports the causes you believe in.  It's really that simple.  God loves you.  Will you love Him back?

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Part 2: NTCC Missionaries Suffer Poverty While NTCC Board Members Live In Luxury

Tour NTCC 4: The Bonco

Update:
After first publishing this story, we found this gem on a ntcc website:

"This was a real victory for our church. We spent very little money from our General Fund, because the people had a mind to work. So, we have 13 pews, and one of the members is having a pulpit made to match ..." T. E. Wright, Angeles City, Philippine Islands
Don and Ange say,

See what we mean here?  The ntcc sends this board member, tom wright to the Philippines to try and rescue a work... But look at his idea of "a real victory" in his own words:


"This was a real victory for our church. We spent very little money from our General Fund"--NTCC Board Member Tom E. Wright, Angeles City, Philippine Islands from the  skewed good news of pews at "New Pews" on ntcc website http://www.ntccmissions.org/angeles.html

We think tanya kekel needs another mansion, don't you?  And her daddy rodger wilson davis needs to live an a mansion valued at $1,100,000.00 that the ntcc built for him even though he allegedly retired back in 2004.  And all the Overseers and Board Members need new Recreational Vehicles, oops, ntcc only calls them Motor Homes (yeah, right, whatever).  While I was in the borg, they owned ELEVEN -- 11 -- Recreational Vehicles.  Each one could be valued conservatively between $200,000.00 - $300,000.00.  That's an estimated $2,200,000.00 - $3,300,000.00 DOLLARS TIED UP IN RECREATIONAL VEHICLES ALONE!

Don't worry about that starving Sister in the Philippines that one Minister testified about. He stated the ntcc boasted about her sacrificial giving of her food money to instead buy gas so she could bring people to church.  ntcc loved that story, until they got called out for letting that same woman, a bible school student, go hungry needlessly while the fat cats in Washington get fatter.

Garbage Children Of The Philippines:
Click Here To Watch Video On YouTube

Keep sending in those mission pledges and escrow account funds with no clue as to where the money really goes; 'cause it obviously ain't being spent in the Philippines on silly pews or hungry sisters, that kekel describes as "wasteful congregants"!!!

Whew. Glad to know the ntcc is so responsible and trustworthy that we can just take out our brains, dig in our wallets, and "give 'til it hurts"!! Right? Wrong.
God said to be a good steward. That means knowing where it really goes, folks. Don't put obedience to bullies like kekel and davis over obedience to God. Do what God wants and know where it goes. That is good stewardship.

If the ntcc will not provide financial disclosure, they should not get one cent of your money.

There are plenty of legitimate organizations out there that give full financial disclosure and help people in need every day. Feel free to check them out for yourself.  Or continue giving to the rich; but remember:

He that oppresseth the poor to increase his [riches, and] he that giveth to the rich, [shall] surely [come] to want. Prov. 22:16

Vote Anonymously On This Post By Clicking On The Lettered Boxes Below (If no boxes are visible, go to the bottom of the page and click the "View Web Version" Link):
A)  Sounds Like A True Description Of ntcc.
B)  ntcc Sounds Like A Cult.
C)  I Read This Post.
D)  It is wrong for church 'leaders' to force missionaries to suffer poverty while 'leaders' live in luxury. 
E)  ntcc should give full financial disclosure including board members' salaries, expenses, travel, and other perks like the cost of any of their mansions owned by ntcc. 
F)  I'm afraid to get caught commenting on this blog. 
G)  Glad To Be Out of ntcc
H)  Mackerts should feel free to join a church that will support them and help the poor of the Philippines.
I)    I'm Thinking Of Leaving ntcc
J)   I'm afraid to leave ntcc.
K)  The video title, "Garbage Children" reminds me of kekel spitting from the pulpit that children are "filthy and evil" when they "throw hissy-fits in the cookie aisle of the grocery store".  Remember, the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh...  "Filthy and evil" children???  In my opinion kekel sounds like satan!  
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Where Does All The Money Go In The ntcc?

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Please note that this lowest picture is a 2003 eight year old motor home for only 

$230,000

Something newer, bigger, swankier, such as the ntcc 'leaders' will be driving, will cost much, much more!

There are eight (8) motor home slabs at the ntcc national campground and in the past (during the nineties) all eight slabs were occupied and three (3) additional motor homes, driven by olson, johnson, and davis were parked up at the Lodge on the slab behind that building.

That is a total of ELEVEN (11) MOTOR HOMES.

And remember, "If you have to ask how much it costs, YOU can't afford it."


But ntcc can.  They just 'can't' afford to = "won't give any of gawd's money to the poor!!!"     ???    Hello!


Related stories:

ntcc Missionaries Suffer Poverty While Board Members Live In Luxury Part_1 Link:  


ntcc Missionaries Suffer Poverty While Board Members Live In Luxury Part_2 Link:

Saturday, December 25, 2010

Veronica Medina's Testimony of Life as an Impoverished NTCC Missionary

Following is a comment made by Veronica Medina, former ntcc missionary to Puerto Rico, ntcc bible school / seminary instructor, and ntcc minister. This comment appeared on The Dispatch, a Washington state online newspaper that ran a series of 5 articles about the NTCC by reporter Bruce Smith.

http://dispatchnews.com/main.asp?TypeID=1&ArticleID=2569&SectionID=6&SubSectionID=6&Page=12  (Article no longer appears in The Dispatch  archives.)  Here's Veronica's comment:

Posted: Thursday, April 08, 2010
Article comment by: Veronica Medina

Hi Bruce,

My name is Veronica Medina. I attended NTCC from 1971 to 1985. My husband and I always used our own money to move where ever RW Davis thought we should minister. Our last move was to Puerto Rico. We were led to believe that the organization would support us as missionaries there. We sold everything we had, packed up our 2 very young children and went there with great hope. After we paid our own airplane fare there and spent all the money we had to get established, we asked and did get money from NTCC to take care of some deposits needed. It was around $700. Little did I know that there would be no more money. It came to the point where "we had no money", not even enough to feed our children. I will never forget my sorrow when we attended a church down the street and my son who was 5 years old, was brought to me from Children's Church because he had the "dry heaves". You see, he had no food in his stomach to vomit. To make a long story short, my husband got a job working for $25 a day. We ended up getting (and I am ashamed to say it)  on welfare. I admit I didn't tell NTCC that part because I knew we would have to pay "tithes" on that money, but we needed it desperately. My husband and I both got very ill while in Puerto Rico and as a result did not have money for rent. I wrote to the leadership in NTCC explaining our plight. Did they respond? Oh yes, with a $100 LOAN. That was the last straw. We resigned and wanted nothing more to do with them. By the way, the explanation given to everyone was "the Medina's left for filthy lucre". I need to tell you, at the time I thought we were a single incident of their cruelty. But I have since learned that this is a pattern for them. They have no conscious when it comes to their ministers and missionaries. My story is just one story out of many.

By the way - life only got better after we left.

Wednesday, October 20, 2010

NTCC Lies and Broken Promises from Deborah's Witness

February 5, 1997

Letter of Dispatch
Letter of Support

Re: Greg T. S.
508-1 Sang Yon Dong
P.O. Box 19
Tongduchun
Republic Of Korea

To Whom concerned,

This is to certify that Rev. Greg T. S. is an ordained minister in good standing with the New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. This is to further certify that Rev. Greg T. S. has been granted an appointment to Korea that he may serve as a Pastor and spiritual director of U.S. servicemen. His role as a servicemen’s director consists of providing a place of spiritual fellowship and relaxation, etc. for US servicemen. Also, New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. will be responsible for the financial support of Rev. and Mrs. Greg T. S. during their stay in Korea to include all expenses that relate to their meals and lodging.

Thanking you for your help and cooperation in this matter.

Sincerely,
//Signed//
J.R. Ashmore (Secretary)

Here’s the link to the original.

COMMENTS: I did not become an ordained minister until 2006. We never receive the promised financial support (yes, we asked).

We had to pay for all the mandatory conferences, and make up all the difference in the church bills. Again…Yes, I did ask for money from HQ (one time), citing this letter as authorization. We were told (by Rev. Olson) if the bills weren’t paid we would be replaced (or in his words...if you can’t pay the bills, your replacement will be bringing the check); this letter was just a formality to get us into the country (along with our visa, which was tourist). We had only been in Korea 6 months by this time.

Previous to this, Deborah and I were pastoring a self supporting work, we did not have to work secular jobs, liked where we were at, had brothers living in the home, and had only been there (Leesville) 9 months. Before we arrived in Korea this first time, we were told by Pastor Davis the work in Korea was self supporting, we wouldn’t have to work a secular job, and the Korean church had a sizable congregation; with brothers living in the home.

When we arrived, I was told by Rev. Stevens I had to get a secular job; that this was approved and encouraged by Rev. Olson. When I called Rev. Olson about this, he confirmed.

Rev. Stevens was in a hurry to do changeover/sign the books over to me (the day after we got there), but after we started some things didn’t add up (more on this later). At changeover about a week later the general fund had about $23 in it, with no escrow fund. The work was not self supporting, had a small congregation (less than 20), and no one was living in the servicemen’s home. I also did not get my pastor salary the entire time we were there.

The budget for this work, during this time (1997-2001), averaged about $5,000 per month year round.

Rev. Steven’s also told us it would be a good idea for Deborah to get a job (like his wife had), so we would have the additional money that was needed, and that HQ approved of this. I called Rev. Olson; he confirmed, and told me sometimes certain things were necessary in the work of the Lord. I resisted having Deborah work for as long as I could, but after our request to NTCC for money was denied, she got a job.

Please note: Rev. Olson assured me Pastor Davis knew and approved of all this. Rev. Stevens assured me Rev. Olson knew and approved of all this. Also, Rev. and Sis. MacDonald encouraged my wife and I in Deborah getting a job with the same company Sis. MacDonald (and Sis. Stevens) worked for each time they have been in Korea.

There are many more details to this account but this will do for now.

In His Service,

Gregory
[link to this article on Deb and Greg's blog.]
Vote Anonymously On This Post By Clicking On The Lettered Boxes Below:

A) Sounds Like a True Description of ntcc
B) Sounds Like ntcc is a Cult
C) I Read It
D) ntcc lied about supporting Greg and Deb financially. ntcc lied to the Korean government about Deb and Greg being "tourists". ntcc is dAVIS and oLSON and aSHMORE in this true story TELLING LIES.
E) ntcc is designed to make a few families at the top very rich while the majority of workers live sacrifice and poverty only to be threatened by ntcc 'leaders' who have been lying to them. !??!
F) Create Your Own "F" ntcc 'leaders' don't keep the rules they make for others to keep. That is a double-standard and is wrong, just like the Pharisees/scribes/and hypocrites Jesus reproached telling us "They SAY and DO NOT." (ALL TALK, NO WALK)!
G) Glad To Be Out of ntcc
H) Create Your Own "H" ntcc should have to PROVE where ALL the (Mission Fund) money they collect goes. They say they are honest. We say PROVE IT or be found liars!
I) I'm Thinking Of Leaving ntcc
J) Create Your Own
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