Married Children in the ntcc

What is it with the leadership of the ntcc and their desire to marry off their daughters before they are of age?  I wracked my brain with this question and finally a light bulb came on.

The reason that the ntcc does this is because they know when that girl turns 18 and has the right to make her own decisions, that she is going to "choose the world" over marrying a 28 year old drooling man and being a barefoot-and-barren-in-the-kitchen cult member for the rest of her life.  Who in their right mind would choose that for themselves?

If you look at the mortality rate for kids in the ntcc, it is somewhere in the high 90's percentile.  I'm referring to them leaving the ntcc and becoming dead to their parents and the ntcc leadership.  How many of the ntcc preachers' kids have grown up in that cult and chosen to stay after turning 18?  Does anyone know of any besides the females that are married off in their mid-teens?  There might be some, but very few.  What kind of testimony is it that if these ministers that are involved in God's so called "last move on earth", can not even get their family members into heaven?

The solution for this problem was figured out by none other than rwd who experimented with his own daughter.  Perhaps she was rebelling against the holiness doctrine as she does to this day. The so called Holiness Doctrine was only used as a tool to keep people in line, and to control and manipulate them.  Whatever, the reason, rwd sought him out a man, several years older than his mid teenage daughter to intervene so that his daughter would not jump ship when the time came to make that decision for herself.  If we as adults could not think for ourselves, how much more would a 15 or 16 year old girl not be able to resist the "advice" of rwd or johnson or olson or anyone else in that authoritative position?

Tanya was to be the Incubator for one Grant Kekel, the heir apparent to the throne of the ntcc.  I can only imagine that when Tanya Kekel was in her early teens, rwd sought out and found a man with like morals and unscrupulous character that could marry his daughter a day after her 17th birthday and take over a corrupt organization that would be able to keep the cult intact while transitioning it into compromise.   While Grant Kekel is off at secular college living the life of an ordinary 'sinner', which is what we would have been classified as back in the day if we went to secular college or played football and participated in all the activities that went along with that, rwd and mike kekel are continuing to do what they do best and that is build a financial empire while manipulating people for financial gain.

kinson, kinson, you too have sinned...

 phil kinson leans 
 in to kiss and grope 
 underage debbie johnson 

phil kinson a child molester? By his own admission back-in-the-day, YES:


In this thread we look at two comments, one made by Angela R on a Dispatch article by Bruce Smith. And another made by Vic Johanson, a former NTCC Pastor and Instructor at the Seminary of the New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. (NTCS).

First, let's look at the comment Angela R left on the Dispatch:
M. C. Kekel and Phil Kinson in one photograph?


That is priceless!

When these two were in the New Testament Christian Church Bible School in St. Louis [called the Midwestern Bible Institute (MBI)], kekel and kinson were bragging about groping under-aged girls they were 'dating'.  blech.

Kekel's 'girlfriend' was 14-16 years old. 

Kinson's even younger.

Kekel was 23-25 years old.

Two other men, Vic Johanson, and an anonymous man, "remonstrated" with Kekel and Kinson, who said they would not stop.

The anonymous man complained to R. W. Davis who was the NTCC founder, Bible College Dean, and father of one of the girls; but nothing ever came of it.

In a normal environment Kekel and Kinson would have been put on the

sex offender's registry

for sexual assault on minors.

Not in ntcc.

NTCC PROMOTED Kekel to be the CEO OF NTCC and Kinson to pastor the largest church in the NTCC.

How sick!

All under-age girls in ntcc are seen as targets, ready to be married off as soon as their bodies are capable of bearing children or those "pesky laws of man" allow whichever comes first.

Don't let the humble-pie act fool you. These guys are sick wolves in sheep's clothing.

The only photo kekel and kinson should be in is a mug shot for pervs on the sex offender registry!


The comment above by Angela R was based on information shared by Vic Johanson in a comment on Deb and Greg's blog, New Testament Christian Church... Deborah's Witness.  Here are some excerpts from  Vic's comment:

Mike Kekel told me that he was making out and groping Tanya [davis]. I heard it myself, and so did another brother, who was so disturbed about it that he went to RW [davis] and told him about it. ...
Was she 14 then? ... 15 or 16 is more likely, but ... even a 16 year old being pawed by a man who is 25 is considered creepy by most people.
Phil Kinson simultaneously admitted to the same activity with Debbie Johnson (who was even younger). The thing that disturbed us the most was that when we remonstrated with them about what they were doing, they got defensive and told us right upfront that they didn't plan on repenting. That sent the other brother over the edge, so he narked them out. But nothing came of it, and they're big wheels in the org now.

[Block quoted material is from a comment by Vic Johanson, former ntcc pastor, and former instructor at New Testament Christian Seminary of the New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc., headquartered in Graham, Washington, with deep roots in St. Louis, Missouri.]
phil kinson and his wife debbie johnson (yes the General Overseer's daughter)  "emphatically deny" that this "groping" happened...  was phil lying then to Vic Johanson; or are the kinson's lying now to Bruce Smith, the reporter for the Dispatch, when he questions them about these events? 

If phil kinson lied when he "simultaneously admitted to the same activity with Debbie Johnson (who was "even younger" [than 14-16 years])" then phil kinson is guilty of lying to Vic Johanson and the "other brother"; who was so sure that kinson and kekel were telling the truth while boasting of their "groping" these underage daughters of ntcc board members that this "other brother" actually reported the matter to rodger w. davis, "But nothing came of it, and they're big wheels in the org now."

So either LYING about sexual conquest of underage girls or ENGAGING in the sexual conquest of underage girls is a fast-track to getting promoted to the top of the ntcc pyramid!

Let's look at how most people respond to an adult male who approaches a 13 year old girl about "marriage" and sex:

Mom Saves Daughter From Child Molester - Link

This article appeared in "The Stir" an online forum for Cafe Moms.

In it, a 13 year old girl is approached by an adult male who tries to woo her. She wisely runs home to mom. In ntcc, the mom would pat her hand and tell her it's okay to marry young, Pastor Davis said so. But in the real world, any man approaching a 13 year old girl would be in big trouble. Click the link and read the article:

"Mom Saves Daughter From Child Molester"

Also, watch the News Report Video Link:

According to the video, this arrested man had said:  "I want to marry the redhead."  When the young girl's mother told him she was only 13, he replied,

"I don't care.  Will somebody sign a paper so I can marry her?"  **That sounds just like the ntcc borg, where twenty-something year-old ministers "court/date" and marry[!!] teenage minor girls and have to go to Missouri where they can marry a girl of 16 years of age if her parents sign a permission slip!**

According to police:  "The guy told the officers ... he wanted to marry this 13 year old girl ... this child."

Do you really want to entrust the keeping of your souls to men like davis, kekel, and kinson who have such screwy ethics that they think it's okay for twenty-something year-od men to date, kiss, and grope young teenage minor girls?


Haven't we all been taught that "little things matter"?

Groping a young girl when you are an adult man is a BIG THING!

Why be part of an organization that promotes child molesters?

Think about it.

Update:

Now we see the cycle of abuse continues and ntcc once again promotes Phil Kinson after he is caught coming out of a whore house in Japan:


Phil Kinson's Adultery Impacts Moreno Murders: click here

To Read More About The Loss Of

The Moreno Family Click Here For The Full Series

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Spiritual Homicide: Murdering Souls In The Name Of The Lord

How often have we seen the spiritual bullying that goes on in the NTCC? In many NTCC churches the spiritual bullying goes on IN EVERY SERVICE. Each service provides a new target of opportunity for a NTCC bully to lash out with brutal words that cut deep into the soul. We've seen it so much we've become numb to it.

Unfortunately for those on the receiving end of these tirades, the numbness doesn't come. Some still feel the pain years and years after having left the NTCC. Some decide to make themselves numb the only way they know how. We've read the accounts of the man who allegedly murdered his four year old son and pregnant wife before turning the gun on himself. And why? Because of the constant belittling he received while in the NTCC.

Spiritual bullying is real in the NTCC.

The consequences are real, deadly, and eternal.

Think about what you see.

Try to step back and see it from the eyes of a first-time visitor.

 Many NTCC preachers
 act like rabid dogs as
 they foam at the mouth
 and growl while they
 "Hide Behind The Pulpit" 

Do the typical NTCC bully-pulpit tactics really represent Christ?

Why be a part of that?

Bullied to Death

Hopeful by Bars and Melody on BGT

Bars and Melody:  Charlie Lenehan -15 and Leondre Devries - 13

Originally published Oct. 7, 2011

To read about the loss of

The Moreno Family Click Here

True UNCONDITIONAL Love vs. ABUSIVE MANIPULATIVE 'Love': Why We Join and Stay in Cults

We have read another excellent article on the web site Religious Cults Info titled:

Adulation - the Drug of Choice

Here is one brief sample:  

"They say how grateful they are to be at WOFF, how grateful they are that Jane and Sam laid down their life and have done the work God called them to do."

Reading through, we realized that all we had to do was substitute ntcc in for WOFF and rodger w davis / michael c kekel in for Jane Whaley and the article became a "spot on" description of  ntcc:

"They say how grateful they are to be at [ntcc], how grateful they are that [davis] and [kekel] laid down their life and have done the work God called them to do."

And here is a second brief but insightful sample from The Author:

"Yes, like bookends, some folks may put a phrase like; Jesus showed me on one end and a thank you, Jesus on the other. But, the center of worship at WOFF is undeniably – Jane."  

Which transposes thus: 

"Yes, like bookends, some folks may put a phrase like; [The Holy Ghost] showed me on one end and a thank you, [Holy Ghost] on the other. But, the center of worship at [ntcc] is undeniably – [davis and kekel]."

At first it seems amazing to see the same methods used by the leader of a different abusive group resulting in the same praise and idolatrous worship of that leader; but in retrospect it only makes sense.  Con-men and -women use whatever techniques bring them the best result$, so no wonder if the methodology is the same! 

Another important point brought out in The Author's discourse was this:  "Why?"

People who have not been through the cult experience often ask this vital question: 

WHY DID YOU JOIN  AND STAY? 

To this we left the following comment:

"The answer, we feel, ultimately revolves around True Love demonstrated by the members and abusive, quantified (if you love me, then you will ______) demonstrated by the cult leaders.

As for the “Why did we stay and do what we did?” question, the answer is simple:

LOVE

We love(d) God and thought loving them was equal to serving God. They used our love against us for their own self-profiting reasons. It is a difficult reality to face having been used; but once we accept this fact it helps clear things up with respect to motives (theirs and ours) and actions (theirs and ours). Like any other user, a love-thief mimics the phraseology of the victims stating: “I love you.” knowing the victims will interpret that statement as meaning what it does when they say “I love YOU.”–unconditional love. But truly the love-thief only means “I love what you DO for me.” The true test of the love-thief’s statement comes when you stop performing to their standards or stop supplying their “fix”. Typically the love-thief will upbraid, ridicule, or ostracize you, proving they did not in fact “love” YOU; they only loved what you DID for them..."

This reminded us of an e-mail to another X-er where we probed further:

WE FELL FOR IT BECAUSE SO MUCH OF WHAT THEY TAUGHT WAS TRUE; BUT JUST AS sATAN ONLY CHANGED OR ADDED ONE WORD TO THE COMMANDMENT "THOU SHALT NOT SURELY DIE." THEY CHANGED AND ADDED TO THE SCRIPTURE TO TWIST IT FOR THEIR SELFISH AGENDAS.  

IT HURT(S) SO BADLY BECAUSE WE LOVE(D) THEM.

AND JUST AS IN ALL OTHER ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIPS,

THE ABUSER BLAMES THE VICTIM:

"LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO!!!"

Or, "You people make the rules." comes to mind, as often as we in ntcc have heard r w davis shout that at us.

--THAT'S WHY NOTHING WE DID WAS EVER GOOD ENOUGH FOR THEM. AND WHY THE RULES ALWAYS HAD TO CHANGE: "YOU PEOPLE MAKE THE RULES"--rodger w. davis.  uhn-huh, sure, whatever...

THE TRAGIC FACT IS THEY SOLD OUT CHRIST FOR FILTHY LUCRE AND NOW HAVE TO WRESTLE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES AS THEY USED TO WREST THE SCRIPTURES FOR THEIR "PRIVATE BENEFIT".

THEY WILL NEVER BE HAPPY AND CAN THEREFORE NEVER BE SATISFIED WITH THEMSELVES AND THEREFORE NEVER SATISFIED WITH OTHERS.

THIS IS POWERFUL STUFF.

THOUGH OBVIOUS AND BASIC WHEN SEEN FROM AN OBJECTIVE STANDPOINT, IT IS 'QUITE SOMETHING ELSE WHEN YOU ARE THERE'--PARAPHRASING THE OLD LADY SURVIVOR IN TITANIC AS SHE ANSWERS THE ALL-TOO-EAGER QUESTIONS OF THOSE WHO FOUND THE WRECKAGE. THEY ARE ZEALOUS, BUT HAVE FORGOTTEN THE TRAGEDY, THE REALITY OF THE ETERNAL LOSS OF SOULS.... SHE, HOWEVER, WHO WAS THERE, AND YOUNG AND VIBRANT AND IN LOVE, CAN NEVER FORGET WHAT WAS REALLY LOST. LIFE. LOVE. DREAMS. GOALS. SOULS.

ALL OF THIS ADDRESSES THE VICTIM'S SIDE OF THAT FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION: WHY?--TRUTH AND LOVE. THE ABUSERS ANSWER TO WHY: GREED. GREED FOR POWER. GREED FOR MONEY. GREED FOR CONTROL. sATANISM AT ITS CORE: I WILL ASCEND... I WILL BE GOD. I. I. I...[Isa 14:12-15, Luke 10:18] 

THE REST OF THAT THOUGHT ON THE ABUSER/VICTIM RELATIONSHIP IS THIS:

THE MIND-NUMBING, BONE-CHILLING, KNIFE-TO-THE-HEART-AND-TWIST-TRUTH IS:

WE, THE VICTIMS, ARE STILL WAITING FOR WHAT WILL NEVER COME: 

 APOLOGY and APPROVAL.

THE ABUSERS WILL NEVER ADMIT TO THE ABUSIVE NATURE OF THEIR ACTIONS.

THE ABUSERS WILL NEVER APPROVE OF THEIR VICTIMS. NEVER. (FOR REASONS PREVIOUSLY SHARED.) YOU MUST FIRST LOVE YOURSELF IN ORDER TO LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR.

GOD PUTS A NATURAL DESIRE IN PEOPLE TO SEEK ONE ANOTHER'S APPROVAL. THAT'S WHY THE LORD LOOKED AND HAD COMPASSION ON THE PEOPLE WHEN HE SAW THEM AS SHEEP WITH NO SHEPHERD. SHEEP, BY THE NATURAL DESIGN OF GOD, NEED TO BE WITH OTHER SHEEP; AND THEY NEED A SHEPHERD. WITHOUT THAT THEY ARE QUITE LITERALLY LOST.

sATAN, AS THE OPPOSER, TAKES AND TWISTS AND ABUSES NATURAL APPETITES TO FIT HIS AGENDA .  hE   USES "MINISTERS OF LIGHT", SO CALLED, TO AFFECT HIS WILL. NO MARVEL... RIGHT?  BUT IT GETS BACK TO 'OBJECTIVITY'-- VS.-- 'YOU CAN'T SEE THE FOREST THROUGH THE TREES.' 

THINK WE ARE GOING TO GO FOR A WALK AND ENJOY IT OUT IN THE SUNSHINE; SO WE CAN HEAR THE WHISPER OF GOD IN THE BREEZE SAYING, 'I LOVE YOU. NO MATTER WHAT MEN DO. I'M HERE. YOU CAN TRUST ME.' AND THAT, FOR OUR PART, IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO. WE ARE GOING TO PRESS INTO HIS EMBRACE, LEAN ON HIS CHEST, AND KNOW HE IS REAL. HIS LOVE NEVER FAILS; AND TRULY, 

GOD'S LOVE IS UNCONDITIONAL! 

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B) ntcc Sounds Like A Cult.

C) I Read This Post.

D) Abusers and Manipulators say things like "If you really love God, you will do ___________for the "man of Gawd"...."

E) ntcc often requires members to do things that have no biblical basis, like cleaning the mansions of Board Members, washing B.M.s luxury cars and extremely expensive motor homes, doing the B.M.s country-club-style-lawns, shining the B.M.s hand-sewn-solid leather expensive shoes, etc. taking advantage of the members' love of the Lord for the B.M.s "private benefit".

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G) Glad To Be Out of ntcc.

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"Kill 'em All!" -- rodger w. davis' stance on puppies: Part One of the NTCC No-Pet Rule, Now Called a 'Policy'

 WHY SHOOT 2 DOGS AND AXE-OFF  PUPPIES' HEADS?
 ASK RODGER W. DAVIS.
 THOSE WERE HIS ORDERS. 

Five Adorable Puppies Watch Below or on YouTube

Isn't this one of the cutest videos you've ever seen?  Puppies are just precious!

But to strange minds like rodger w. davis...  puppies and German Shepherds are things to kill...

Wendy and Lion were two beautiful German Shepherds owned by michael c. kekel and rodger w. davis.  These two dogs came from the same litter.  They loved to jump the fence that separated them and go play together.  davis ordered elliot f. gesang to kill these dogs.  So elliot f. gesang took Wendy and Lion out in the woods and shot them dead.

Could you kill an innocent pup like the one in the following video?

Beagle Puppy Howl Watch Below or on YouTube

In a separate incident rodger w. davis ordered another minister to take a whole litter of puppies and chop off their heads with an axe; the other minister did so, crying.

Child abusers torture animals in front of kids to terrify them, sending them the message:  "You're next!"

Serial murderers start with killing animals; they say they do this "To see what it feels like to kill something."

It's all about control / domination -- perverse pleasure at killing innocents [puppies] and innocence [the trust you had in that power monger who orchestrated this test of your loyalty to him to see if you would break your own code of decency and ethics to be obedient (subservient) to him.]...

It's no joke.  davis is sick.  He wants to break you; so he can run your life in order to profit ($$$) himself.  Dead puppies?  You gotta be kidding us!  When we see puppies we think, "Oh, so cute!  They need shelter and food.  Let us take you home and love you!"

When davis sees puppies he sees $$$ leaving his wallet.  That is intolerable to a man whose god is the 'almighty dollar'.  He uses these puppies for his gain.  "Kill 'em all" and I will know that you will fall on your sword for me...

Sick.  Sick.  Sick.

Golden Retriever Puppies  Watch Below Or On YouTube

A righteous [man] regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked [are] cruel.

Prov. 12:10

Once again we see rodger w. davis' actions placing him on the wrong side of the Word of God.  Could you kill these innocents to please r w davis?  Why?  The bible clearly states that the righteous man regardeth THE LIFE of his beast.  The righteous man does not randomly slay innocent puppies for perverse pleasure!  davis has shown that he is wicked, his tender mercies [are] cruel.  Why stay and be part of a group run by a "wicked" man with "cruel tender mercies"?

Related posts:

The Only Good Cat, Is a Dead Cat:  Part Two Of the ntcc "No Pet Rule" Now Called a Policy

Mobile Format Series "Kill Them All"

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D) I always wanted a dog; but ntcc would not allow it.

E) Wendy, Lion, and those puppies could have been sold or given away.

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"H" Only a psycho would order the execution of  dogs.

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Defend Against Enemies Foreign And Domestic: A Former U.S. Army Sergeant Speaks Out Against The New Testament Christian Church*

Ange's Awards

Over on Chief's Blog, New Testament Christian Church, The Real Story, on a thread titled What A Waste,

1 NCO 2 Another said, "We served together 25 years ago in the United States Army and swore "to defend against all enemies foreign and domestic.""

I too fit that statement, and took that oath.  I served the U.S. Army happily for four years.  And I had an unblemished record with nine medals / awards, the opportunity to re-enlist as a Staff Sergeant (E-6), the honor of being the soldier of the year for the whole 4th Infantry Division (which I forfeited to follow ntcc 'policies' [rules]), and the offer to go to Officer Candidates' School, again forfeited due to ntcc rules.

Having learned all I have about ntcc, I now consider it my duty to the Armed Forces of America "to defend against all enemies foreign and domestic"... and that means the ntcc should be considered an enemy of the Armed Forces of America.

ntcc is definitely an enemy to the United States military!  The ntcc abuses, uses, and discards its members who come primarily from the military!  And we're not the only ones testifying of this abuse.  More testimony click here.

ntcc steals these young impressionable G.I.s from the military.  ntcc takes their tithe and offering money.  ntcc deprives the young troops of sleep.  ntcc cuts-off the young troops from all functions except those related to ntcc cult activities.  ntcc even discourages furthering one's military training, education, schooling, and exercises that could further one's military career.  Why?  Because ntcc wants YOU.  They want to steal you out of the military and send you to their boot camp, the New Testament Christian Church Seminary / Bible School.  They want you to leave the military and become a recruiter for the ntcc Ministry Machine.  They want you to continue to sacrifice all your time, your money, and your military career so that ntcc can profit from your sacrifice.

Ministry Machine Video Link

The ntcc is full of former military members that ended successful military careers to become cult recruiters for the ntcc real-estate expansion corporation.

How do I know?  I did it.  My late ex-husband, former U.S. Army Sergeant, Eric James Barden did it.  The ntcc is full of former military members that ended successful military careers to become cult recruiters for the ntcc real-estate expansion corporation.  While they are in the military, these troops provide ntcc a constant flow of cash.  Once they bow to ntcc pressure to leave the military, these former troops provide ntcc a constant flow of warm bodies to the New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc.  Seminary / Bible School.  There they learn how to repeat the recruiting and fleecing process, thereby building up the ntcc ministry machine...

While they are in the military, these troops provide ntcc a constant flow of cash.  Once they bow to ntcc pressure to leave the military, these former troops provide ntcc a constant flow of warm bodies to the New Testament Christian Churches Of America, Inc.  Seminary / Bible School.

ntcc is indeed an enemy to our military forces!  They actively recruit on military bases around the world.  In my opinion ntcc should not be allowed to do so any longer; because ntcc has a proven track record of undermining the military by stealing its best troopers away from service to their country!  I know.  It happened to me and to hundreds of others who have now left ntcc and are trying to rebuild their lives and regain what ntcc took from them.  If one ounce of prevention is worth one pound of cure, we are here to administer that ounce of prevention:  Fore-Warned is Fore-Armed.
*"New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc" or NTCC, founded by Rodger Wilson Davis, with headquarters in Graham, Wa. and roots in St. Louis, Missouri.  NTCC is registered with the Secretary of State of Missouri as a non-profit corporation.
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D) ntcc encourages all members to attend ntcc's seminary, even if it means terminating a successful military career.

E) ntcc often requires members to do things that have no biblical basis, like living in the ntcc servicemen's homes where members are under constant scrutiny and pressure to perform for the ntcc and where gross sexual abuse has taken place [See Homosexual Pastors].

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G) Glad To Be Out of ntcc.

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Homosexual 'Pastors' In The ntcc: Names Included

Part 3:  Homosexual 'Pastors' in the ntcc: Names Included


Part 1:  My Life and Times in the ntcc:  or "Why I Left ntcc"


Part 2:  The Celibacy Policy:  or "Forbidding To Marry"


Part 4:  Nichelle Tieman's Adultery and Lying:  NOT Overseer Material

Recently an anonymous commentator on Jeff's blog said:


"Hey, since we believe everything someone says about another without any verification at all let me tell you a story I heard. [Don] once confessed that he was Homosexual. And he got kicked out of the Army (as an E6 mind you) for stealing...."

In Reply to this accusation I would like to publish a copy of this recent email that I sent to Bruce Smith. I was patiently waiting for this opportunity to address the issue of Homosexual Pastors in the ntcc. The Letter to Bruce reads as follows:

Bruce,

I was a Serviceman and lived in serviceman's homes and churches for 13 years and served under 14 pastors. While I did not see the daily workings of the upper echelon leadership I have a rather unique perspective on what happens in the field of Serviceman's work where the majority of ntcc souls are harvested from and later sent to bible school.  Servicemen are perfect candidates for ntcc as they are used to following orders without question.  I was no exception to this.  While ntcc does preach Christ and Him crucified, which biblically is the vehicle by which souls are brought to Christ, it's what takes place after men and women are sincerely saved and hungering for more God in their lives that wreaks havoc and destruction in the lives of the new ntcc Christian.  The word of God is preached in the "power and demonstration" of the Spirit of God to bring souls to Christ, and then it is preached in power and demonstration of man to shape people into obedient mindless servants that can be used and exploited financially, emotionally and spiritually.

I was reached in a servicemen's home while still in training at Fort Gordon, Ga.  Shortly thereafter, I went on to my permanent duty station and moved into the ntcc Serviceman's home and church.  Christianity was new to me and I loved God and the brethren.  I was praying and studying God's word and participating in every function to include church services, bible studies, prayer meetings, soul winning, fellowship meetings.  The average day for me started at 05:00.  I would get up get dressed, pray and read, ride my bicycle to PT formation at 06:30.  Do Army physical training for 1 hour, then ride my bicycle back to the Home, take a shower, and ride my bicycle to the airfield where I would work from 9 to 5 if lucky, then ride my bike to the home.  At the Home I would change into wingtips, slacks and a white shirt to prepare for whatever activity we were going to participate in that evening.  But the first thing we would do, every night before we participated in any thing spiritual we would pray thanking God for the huge amount of food we were about to stuff down our throats.  We would gorge ourselves and feast like gluttons every night.  Then we would pray and go soul winning or pray and go pick up people for church or pray and go pick up people for Bible study or we would just pray.  But whatever we did, you can be assured that we would follow it up with fellowship and fellowship always included food.  By the time we were done it was 11pm or midnight and we'd have to get to sleep to start the whole cycle over again.  In addition to this, we were expected to get in personal prayer time, bible reading witnessing and soul winning in addition to anything the military required of us. 

Those of us who participated with all of our heart in these activities were esteemed and highly praised while those who were a little more cautious and less enthusiastic about donating their heart mind and soul to "the work of God" were "Jacked up" and rebuked publicly in church while the rest of us shouted amen.  I used to think that the others that were hesitant to blindly follow these teachings were going to lose their souls while the few of us that participated and received praise from behind the pulpit, were the only ones that were going to heaven.  I pray that God forgives me for being so judgmental and allowing myself to be so manipulated. 

Within a few months of being saved, I was being taught new things in the bible and things that were not in the bible.  The next part of my story does not apply to everyone in ntcc but was created and allowed to be cultivated by the dictatorships of those involved and unfortunately does not have a happy ending.  One of the teachings that was given a lot of emphasis to was foot washings.  This was taught as a form of humility and very subtly became foot massages.  Foot massages became leg massages which became back massages which became full body massages.  These massages would take place in the pastor's bedroom in secret under the guise of "counselling" while the pastor's wife was leading "fellowship" with the brethren.  Scriptures would be used to justify these sinful acts like, "unto the pure, all things are pure".  The foot massages would take place in the open; and it was a privilege to massage the pastor's feet.  What ended up happening was the sin of Homosexuality; it was committed by the pastor and members of the congregation.  This pastor realized that he had sinned and requested to go back to Bible school to be "restored".  He never openly confessed this sin until later, when he was caught; but rather told church leadership that he needed more preparation before going back into serviceman's work and he was praised for his humility and humbly admitting that "He needed help".  While in transition, to go back to bible school for "restoration" another minister was coming in to take his place.  This preacher had seen the foot massages and learned of the sexual abuse; and what did he do?  He continued the practice and involved more people in it.  Many lives were destroyed, people were permanently damaged and abused.  There were brethren that left the church and those that left God.  There were rumor's and those that walked in on this sin while it was being committed; and those people left because they were utterly appalled. The pastors involved were asked to leave the "organization" and their wives were recycled.  One of the brethren involved pulled the plug by calling Rev. Davis and blowing the whistle.  This brother was restored but required to move out of the serviceman's home and was never to speak of this to anyone.  The others involved eventually left the church and hopefully were able to get back to God and find peace. Keep in mind that at the peak of all this activity, the serviceman's home was growing.  We had 17 people living in the home; and the services were alive; the preaching was on fire; and people were praying for salvation. This preacher preached strict holiness:  ie. No shorts, no makeup, no jewelery, no long hair on men or short hair on women, no tv, no pants on women, no worldliness, abstaination from the very appearance of evil.   

The next (3rd) pastor that came to take over was on the other end of the spectrum.  He would get together with certain of the brethren and rent movies and watch "Faces of Death" with the brethren. He would not preach holiness; and those of us that were still holding out from the last administration thought that we were compromising as a church.  The next (4th) pastor was strict; and things seemed to be going in a better direction.  I was allowed to move back into the Home; (I'm sure by now many readers have put 2 and 2 together.)  By the way this is not easy for me.  Later I came down on orders to go overseas; and another sister was also going at the same time.  I was told by the Pastor (#4) not to pursue any type of relationship with her; and she was told not to pursue any type of relationship with me. 

In Korea I had the only pastor (#6) that I believed was a true man of God.  He was in the military like me and was a man of prayer.  And he emphasized prayer and relationship with God rather than all the outward things and the do's and don'ts that made ntcc seem cultish.  I was honest with this man about my past; and he helped me get back to God.  We visited and fellowshipped with another church in Korea and met another ntcc preacher (#5); who did some very weird things.  He (#5) liked to take the brethren to the bath houses.  The bath houses were where men would go and get naked and get in big hot tubs together and soak for hours.  I was told not asked to come along one day by this preacher and felt very uncomfortable about it but didn't want to rock the ntcc boat and went along.  These bath houses to me were nothing more than filthy homosexual brothels;  which I did not want to be a part of.  There were rooms where there would be men laying totally naked in recliners watching tv.  We all were told to get into this hot tub and there was a massage table in the middle of the shower room.  A Korean man would give massages  on this table to anyone who asked. This preacher told me to get up on the table for a massage so he could watch.  I told him over and over that I didn't want to do this, that I thought it was inappropriate; and then I caved in and reluctantly obeyed like I  would any ntcc command.  There I was with a man rubbing on my naked body.  He got down to my private area; and I immediately ended the massage in humiliation in front of other brethren. Anyway, this preacher (#5) would always bring groups of brethren to the bath house so that he could see them naked.  I remember one time in the serviceman's home he took off his pants to show the brethren how great his Korean underwear looked and felt.  In this serviceman's home we didn't have beds but rather small mattresses and sleeping pads that were lined up next to each other on the floor; and it was like one big slumber party where everyone slept next to each other on the floor.  Well this pastor did not sleep upstairs with his wife in his own bedroom; but he slept on the floor in the middle of all the brethren within touching distance.

One night he positioned himself next to me and put his hand on my genitals in a way that was not an accident but an uncontrollable urge to be sexually gratified.  I told my pastor (#6) what had happened; and he told me to report it.  Which I did; and the other pastor (#5) was removed from the work of God; and another pastor's wife recycled.  I felt great about myself because I resisted it.  From that point on I felt very good about myself for rejecting Homosexuality.  

I ended up going back to the States to another ntcc church; where I was at the peak of my life in God.  I was praying, preaching, soul winning, and actually seeing the fruits of my labors.  In this church there was a woman who was the wife of the pastor of the church; and she would spend a lot of time with the brethren.  Up until this point, I have left names out of my story because I realize that there were a lot of people involved; and many were hurt.  But in this portion of my story I am going to name Nichelle Tieman as the Pastor's wife of the serviceman's home and church I attended in Colorado Springs.  She began to spend a lot of time around me and talking to me during fellowship while her husband was in his room "studying" and praying for messages.  Eventually she started rubbing up against me, and making sexual advances toward me.  At first I welcomed these advances because they made me feel like a man is supposed to feel and that is masculine.  But in my heart I knew that it would lead to adultery and after praying through guilt and shame, I began to reject these advances and they became unwanted and unsolicited advances.  I remember one morning while her husband was at work she came and knocked on my door and wanted to lay down with me in my bed.  I stood my ground as hard as it was and would not give in.  About this time God was about to bless me for my faithfulness to his work.  I invited a female soldier named Angela to church who worked in my shop at Ft. Carson.  She came out to church and got saved.  From the beginning we were both attracted to each other and became very close friends.  Nichelle Tieman was making unwanted advances; and I ended up making another call to have another Pastor and wife removed from church.  I did not have sex with Nichelle; but we did touch each other inappropriately in the beginning before I started rejecting her; and I admitted this whole story to the General Overseer, Pop Gaylord. 

The next part of my story is the most difficult thing I went through in my entire life:  ntcc separated me from my dream.  After being lied to and abused for years sexually, mentally, and emotionally; and now at the peak of my life for God, feeling that God had forgiven me, and knowing that God had led me to a place where I could be rewarded and have the wife of my dreams --  We were both the same age, both Italian with Italian names; both of us were totally engaged in each others lives; and we talked about being together.  We had mutual love and respect for each other that many people do not experience in an entire lifetime. The timing couldn't have been more perfect for both of us.--  And then the unthinkable happened....  I know that any ntcc'er out there whether an Xer or not can predict the outcome of this one....  We were ripped apart from one another in an act of cruelty.  What was the reason?  She was "called to go to bible school"; and there had to be something wrong with me; because I was not in bible school.  I had been in ntcc for 7 years at this point and had to be damaged goods; because I was not a bible school graduate. 

Bruce,  Please let me finish this later,  there is more to continue.  I'm probably 3/4 of the way through my story.  To be continued.....

Don T.

Bruce,

My story continued -

Sometime while all of this was happening, one night I got a call and discovered my Mother had died.  I told the Tieman's that my mother had departed and went to heaven to be with God; and I remember Nichelle saying that she (my mother), didn't adhere to the teachings of ntcc; and that I was lying to myself thinking she was in heaven!  Among other things I remember Nichelle also telling me she had an affair with a bible shcool graduate named Brother Rice.  The Tiemans were responsible for splitting me and Angela apart.  While I do forgive them it is impossible to forget the irreparable damage done to both of our souls.  While Angela went on to Bible school, got matched up through the ntcc dating service with someone totally incompatible with her which eventually ended in Eric Barden abandoning Angela, divorce and her departure from ntcc, I tried my best to overcome my inner sorrow and continue on with Serviceman's work.  My entire life and world was turned upside down.  After surviving so many storms and winning internal battles and knowing and feeling that God had brought me to this point in my life, all I could do is ask "Why God"?  I never got an answer.  I was broken into thousands of pieces.  I cried myself to sleep every night for months.  I could only blame myself.  It had to be my past involvement in sin; or perhaps I never was saved.  I searched my heart and blamed myself for this, trying to figure out what exactly I did to be rejected by God.  It never dawned on me to think that I was in a cult; and that our relationship was destroyed by the will of a proud bunch of preacher's; to whom it was more important to say, "look who we sent to Bible School" rather than allow us the desires of our hearts.

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From that point on, things started to slowly go down hill in my life.  I went through all the motions of outward Christianity; but inwardly I was dying a slow death.  It took six more years for all of the inner strength God gave me to be zapped away from me.  I gave the best years of my life to this work; and one day I looked up and realized that I was lost and on my way to hell and part of ntcc at the same time.  I witnessed more corruption, hardly worth mentioning, preachers keeping 2 sets of books and lying on finance reports.  Wifes withholding sex from their husbands.  I'd seen everything and anything you could imagine but never would I come to the realization that ntcc was wrong. One day I left ntcc, the Army, and God at the same time. I decided that if I was going to die and go to hell I might as well do it as a sinner and not from the church pew.  I made one futile attempt to return to ntcc but that didn't last; and when I walked out the door for the last time, I was gone for good.  

For the past 14 years of my life, I have been living apart from God.  I have been in jail, done drugs, smoked cigarettes, drank beer and hard liquor, mismanaged my life and money, and never met anyone that I could fall completely in love with.  In spite of everything I'd heard and seen I still thought that I could never get back to God; unless I crawled back to ntcc.  And knowing I was no longer welcome in ntcc, I figured the next time I'd see God, it would be at the great white throne of Judgement. 

Last week a letter came to my mailbox with a note and an email address from Angela.  I couldn't believe it.  We started e-mailing each other at first and then texting and calling.  I found out that she was an ntcc ex-er and was very outspoken against ntcc.  I was a little scared when I started checking out the blogosphere and saw all of the anti-cult articles she had posted; but I also felt like God was once again pulling at my heart strings.  It has been 27 years since I first started attending ntcc; and now I was beginning to allow myself to see ntcc for what it really is.  Angela and I talked and discovered that we both still loved each other; and that our love was indeed mutual although ntcc teaches that you can't truly love someone until you are married and that marriage is consummated with sex.

All of the sudden lights started coming on; and I began to see what I refused to look at and believe for years.  Angela said a few things to me that transcended everything I'd been taught.  The first thing she said was that if she still loved me after 20 years how much more would God still love me?  Also she said that there is no sin you've committed that God can't forgive you of.  David committed murder and adultery; and he is in heaven with God right now.

Angela also told me that if both of us didn't put God first in our lives that our future relationship would never work.  I actually knew this in my heart and herein lies the dilemma. How can I get back to God when after you leave ntcc you are a reprobate and an apostate, a God hater and every other thing they call you when you leave.  I'd been on the other side of this and it isn't pleasant.  I decided that I was going to pray.  I really didn't think God would listen; I hadn't prayed in 14 years, Didn't know how or what to pray.  So I prayed anyway.  I envisioned myself at the foot of the Cross in a huge puddle of Jesus Blood.  I asked Jesus if there was any sin that His blood could not wash away in my life.  I already knew the answer to this question.  I then asked Jesus if it were possible for me to be forgiven.  I didn't get a yes or a no.  One word entered into my heart and that word was repent.  So I asked God if He could help me repent and take all of the evil desires out of my heart and help me to change and once again live for Him.  God has exceeded my expectations.  I quit smoking, cursing, and eating like a hog; but what's more important than all this outward junk that ntcc focuses on so much is the inward change that came about so easily.  Salvation was never meant to be so difficult.  It's only been 3 days or so since I prayed and I know cynical people will say "Let's wait and see what happens when the real trials come his way".  Brother, I've already been through the real trials!  Right now I am feeling joy in my salvation; and God is just as real as He ever was to me. I am grateful to Angela that she never gave up on me and was at a place where God could use her to reach out to me.

I can now see why people are so mad at ntcc.  Up until a few days ago I still felt ntcc had the right intentions; and that they were God's only church preaching God's only true word; and there was no hope for sinners outside of ntcc. The reason I'm writing this is because I know there are people trapped in ntcc that think they can never be saved outside of its walls.  There are also many, many souls that were discarded or left in discouragement that don't realize that God is waiting for them. To those that come out and think they are a part of something special, escape while you still can.  Ask questions, take a close look at the doctrine and structure of the organization, and most of all make sure it's God's voice that you are listening to and not man's.    

In closing I would like to thank you Bruce for encouraging Angela to contact me.  I am eternally grateful to God that He was able to turn this whole story around and add a happy ending to it!  In the next few days I will be in Colorado to reunite with Angela, and will be asking her to marry me very soon.  We both have been through a lot but the one constant has been God's love and our love one for another that God placed in our hearts 20 years ago.

Most of all thanks be unto God, for His great love and Divine providence which has brought an everlasting peace to my life and joy to my soul!

Sincerely,

Don 

Later upon request, I sent this letter to Bruce Smith:

Dear Bruce,

Here are some of the names and time frames that you requested:

 Homosexual 'Pastors' Predators in your NTCC 

1st Pastor in ntcc at Ft. Bragg, NC Servicemen's home was Donald Hummel.  He started the Foot Massages in Servicemen's home in 1984 which led to Full Body massages and acts of homosexuality.  He felt guilty and asked RWD to return to Bible school but never told him why; he departed NC in fall of 84.

2nd Pastor in ntcc at Ft. Bragg, NC Servicemen's home was Michael Rudy.  He continued massages and involved more people.  He was removed by RWD after I called and reported acts of homosexuality.  This took place in 1986; I believe.  Michael Rudy also blew the wistle on Hummel at this time and both were excommunicated from the church according to what I was told by Pop Gaylord. 

Pastor #5 of church in Tongduchon Korea, last name Broadnax, [not sure of (sic)] first name Perry, made homosexual advances toward me in Korea, brought brethren to Bathhouse, and slept with them on floor of svcmens home.  I reported him to RWD also; and he was removed from the organization.  I'm not sure if he left on his own or was excommunicated or pressured to leave.

Sincerely,

Don

This story has been waiting in the wings "for such a time as this".  I knew that there were certain individuals in the ntcc that would not be able to keep their mouths shut and not knowing the facts they would accuse me.  Lets take a closer look at the facts.  

1.  I was introduced to Homosexuality by 3 different pastors in the ntcc.

2.  If you do the math, that means that 3 out of every 14 pastors in the ntcc (about 21.5%) are Homosexuals; and that's just the ones that got caught.

3.  Hitler brainwashed an entire nation to commit or condone genocide to 6 million Jews.

4.  RWD created an environment that cultivated Homosexuals.

    a)  Open showers and stalls at the camp ground.

    b)  The Celibacy policy:  Forbidding to date or talk to members of the opposite sex.

5.  I now have a wife; that I love very much and have no interest whatsoever in homosexuality.

6.    The Rampant Homosexuality in the ntcc was introduced through the twisting of scriptures (unto the pure, all things are pure); and in most cases that I'm aware of was not mutual to or desired by the victims.  

7.  I am not hiding from this, nor trying to cover it up.  It happened to me and others in the Servicemen's home at Fort Bragg.  It even happened to a married brother who was manipulated into getting a circumcision so the so called "man of God" could enjoy "servicing" him.  

8. As I have been forthcoming in the blog post, Don's Story or My life and Times in the ntcc,  I did not get kicked out of the Army for stealing; I got kicked out for going AWOL.  After what I went through in the ntcc, I am grateful that I didn't take a gun and blow my brains out!

9.  Above all, God is witness and knows all about these facts that I have shared.  If anyone from the ntcc would like to refute the facts, names, and places that these instances occurred, please do.  Perhaps some of you remember the Ministers' Retreat that took place on the east coast where there was a vote on Homosexuals being forgiven?  

10.  All of this was reported by me to Rev. Gaylord and R. W. Davis; because I did not wish for it to continue.  I got on with my life the best I could; and now my past and the ntcc's past have been brought back into the spotlight.

Finally, I know that this post is very damning to the ntcc; and that they are going to attack Ange and I to discredit us.  We are writing from our experiences the facts of what happened during our lives in the ntcc.  Read carefully and you decide for yourselves.  

Yours Truly,

Don and Ange

Part 3:  Homosexual 'Pastors' in the ntcc: Names Included

Part 1:  My Life and Times in the ntcc:  or "Why I Left ntcc"

Part 2:  The Celibacy Policy:  or "Forbidding To Marry"

Part 4:  Nichelle Tieman's Adultery and Lying:  NOT Overseer Material