Anonymous said...Im the person that johnny jordon force sex upon it was from the 8years old to 12 years old and it was very horriable for me all I want is for every parent in this so called church or anywhere keep johnny jordan far away from
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Parents: Seeing these trends, where alleged rape goes unreported and the offenders are allegedly aided and abetted by the NTCC leadership, why would you continue to endanger your children by remaining in this group?
In view of the allegations by Julie Ridgeway against her biological so-called father, ralph st. clair, and against NTCC CEO michael c. kekel for raping her repeatedly, Why would any of you in NTCC remain in a group led by an alleged rapist who harbors an alleged rapist and allows him to carry a ministers card and hide behind a pulpit?
Sex Offender Flyer for Johnny Dean Jordan: Here
UPDATE:
An anonymous commentator has been leaving links to a story that recently made national headlines. As a result we did some research and found some online articles and videos that we have decided to incorporate into this story, since there is so much similarity in the stories of NTCC abuse and what has happened to the "maidens" in the following reports.
Nothing New Under The Sun
Excellent video on My Fox 9 out of Minneapolis-St. Paul:
Maidens Of River Road
KMSP-TV
Additional Article and Video:
Nationwide manhunt underway for cult leader
Thursday, April 17, 2014 A manhunt is underway in several states for a religious leader accused of sexually abusing teenage girls who were members of his cult.
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The following CBS Video is higher quality, longer, and has some additional facts and reporting:
Minister Flees From 59 Counts Of Sex Abuse CBS Video HQ
HLN ~ Nancy Grace Speaks With Victim
Pastor's alleged sex victim 'robbed of childhood'. Story by Kyle Peltz Click Here
What's Next?
Well, for the girls called the Maidens, we aren't sure. But taking a cue from the FLDS / Warren Jeffs cult-compound debacle, we can guess what might happen to any controlling religious group that hides pedophiles behind the pulpit:
Texas authorities seize ranch where children were sexually abused.
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This is so true. I have no idea how anyone could remain in the NTCC with this knowledge. At the very least, any responsible person would ask some serious questions of the NTCC leadership and pay very careful attention to their answers.
We know a few pieces of information here to be absolute facts. Johnny Jordan was convicted of Sex Crimes: FACT. Mike Kekel has been alone in his house with NTCC women who were sent there to clean; Julie being one of them: FACT. Mike Kekel requested to see Julie privately at the camp ground and such a meeting took place: FACT. The St. Clairs have been very secretive about having a daughter as is evidenced by several testimonies by people who've know the St. Clairs for a period of time: FACT.
Now having said all that: Hasn't the NTCC leadership vehemently taught for years that under no circumstances, should a man, (especially a minister) ever put themselves in a position to be alone with a woman other then their wife? FACT again!!! Shouldn't it raise suspicion when a minister and his wife deliberately hide that fact that they have a daughter? What is there to hide? Wasn't St. Clair's ministers license suspended for a period of time and why was it reinstated? Aren't these questions that any responsible person should ask? I know I would. I wouldn't let Johnny Jordan come anywhere near my children or anyone else's children. I wouldn't allow St. Clair to come around my wife, children, sister, or any other woman. His daughter is insisting that this guy had sex with her for years.
Brother I wouldn't spend one second in that creeps church. In fact someone should go to the authorities and or the Post Chaplain on that guy because if I'm not mistaken he's pastoring a serviceman's home? Doesn't that alarm you GI's up in Washington? Aren't you military guys and gals soldiers who should be trying to protect each other? You NTCC folks need to wake up. These stories are alarming and at a minimum should result in some serious investigation by yourselves.
I'll tell you this without doubt. Not one NTCC minister under any circumstances ever again will be a leader of me for any reason whatsoever. These guys and their wives are creeps to the absolute core. They have no conscience, they do not exercise sound judgment, and they are enablers of sicko's like Kekel, St Clair, Ashmore, Kinson, and Olson.
Now I've been saying this for 6 years now. If these were really men of God like they so falsely suggest, don't you think God would put a stop to my put downs and bold direct disrespect of these NTCC minister clowns? God didn't let Elijah just get openly disrespected like I disrespect the creeps Kinson, Ashmore, Kekel, Olson and R.W. Davis who incidentally is dead and as a result the world is a better place. That guy was nothing more than a money hungry double standard abusive male chauvinist hypocrite.
These are not men of God however they are ANYTHING BUT? They are the exact opposite without doubt. They are fakes, phonies, and totally unqualified to serve in the positions in which they do. Now get some of that. You think I'm going overboard? Read my blog from cover to cover because there are so many accounts of abuse and double standards committed by NTCC ministers it should make you puke. These guys are absolute fakes because they know what's been preached for years and so do I and the Kekel family has violated just about everything all along. I'm sorry but God has given me good enough sense that I know better than to follow double standard hypocrites who preach one thing and then do the exact opposite. Do you people not know what I'm talking about? Call me and I'll tell you if you have any doubt and I'll state absolute facts. 706-905-8554. There is my phone number.
Chief
I would not let my children or wife out of sight until the FBI does a full investigation.
I would not go anywhere near these pedophile child rapists! I would get my self and my family out of that group and THANK GOD FOR DELIVERANCE.
Yes Johnny Jordan is in NTCC. It is said the story in the sex offender case was fabricated and God doesn't was his children abandon just because sinners say something against them. They said Johnny has problems but things got really stretched in his sex offender case making it more then was actually there.
I say this poor person. I hope they get justice no child deserves to be sexually abuse under no conditions whatsoever. I am praying for this person. I have recently left but still have family in there. People need to turn on their brains and their hearts it will save children. NTCC is a sick place.
Here is another way to look at this whole situation. Assume for a moment that the comment from the alleged victim of Johnny Jordon is a complete fake, i.e. (just written by someone who never had anything to do with Johnny Jordan). Or written by someone like Kekel, (for example) in an attempt to prove that these comments can't be considered credible.
In the case of Johnny Jordan what difference does it make? He is a convicted Sex Offender, FACT!!! I wouldn't want my children, wife, or anyone else that I know around him for any reason whatsoever. It is what it is. Because of what Julie has alleged against Kekel and R. St. Clair, I wouldn't want my folks around them either. The problem is, you are exposing your family and friends to some real nut jobs if these people are telling the truth and that is a chance that I'm not willing to take. Not only that, too many people have made statements which corroborate their stories.
You NTCC people need to stop thinking and being brainwashed into "believing" that everyone is being lead by the "Devil" who speaks or writes anything against your NTCC leaders or congregates. That is how these NTCC leaders trick you into turning a blind eye to their sexual exploits, greed, double standards, and hypocrisy. Anytime you question one of their acts either openly or in your mind, they teach that is the Devil speaking to you!!! And that is where they trick and brainwash you into ignoring their crimes. You NTCCers will believe just about anything and I know because I used to be one of you. I was nothing more than a brainwashed blind sucker who believed just about anything (regardless of how absurd) that an NTCC minister told me and that in itself was where I messed up and that is where you current NTCCers mess up.
That is how church folks like Kekel, RWD, Ashmore, Olson and Kinson get you. They convince you that they "of all people" should be trusted and that is where the con game starts, and $50,000 to $100,000 later you finally realize that you got played.
People, Kekel is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING more than a con artist predator. NO MORE, NO LESS. From the times that he posed as "Whirlwind" on FACTNET (where he really showed his true colors), to the time that he affirmed that the NTCC rules never applied to him, to the day that he happily shipped his own kid off to a Catholic University, to the time that the NTCC transfered almost 40 acres of land valued at over $380,000 to him and his wife as a gift, to his responses to Julie's sexual allegations against him, Kekel has proved that he is a double standard predator con artist, NO MORE, NO LESS. A few years back, I personally talked to Kekel on the phone and he told me, that many NTCC ministers are "knot heads" and abusive who just don't listen and it's not the organization's fault that they are abusive. He threw them under the bus, (to me of all people)in an attempt to cover his and RWD's own butts and to pass the blame to someone else because he couldn't deny the validity of the allegations, I had made. Well Brother, Kekel is at best, worse than all of them, who he accused of being "knot heads" who just didn't listen.
With all this information at your fingertips, if you still believe that Kekel is a righteous, God fearing, Godly man, you are one of the biggest brainwashed suckers on the whole planet.
Chief
if kekel ever gets arrested, you will have cheese-eaters filling his commissary card. or telling him they will take care of his wife while he is gone.
Chief, stop berating people . For some reason you think that by putting ntccers down they are gonna take heed. Everyone's situation is different. You can't put everyone in the same shoes as you or the others that have left
You are treating everyone one just the same way rw used to treat people!
Also what guarantees do you give to a person if they call you that you are gonna keep it between you and nobody else?
I mean I've seen in some of the conversations in other blogs and the comments that relate to ntcc , and people getting into fights because one exntccer believes another ntccer is not doing what they think is right. What I've seen us that if you are gonna leave ntcc, you better do it and leave ntccers and exntccers behind!
Because once you exit you will be not only run through the mud by the people that are in but also by the people that are out.
We think Chief does his best to wake people up from the ntcc fog and lies. It may seem harsh, but it is better to wound them and warn them then to give them a kiss of death and let them follow the blind into the ditch.
One thing we've always liked about Chief is he lumps himself into the same category as everyone else who was deceived by the ntcc. He doesn't sugarcoat it. He says he got taken too. At least he's honest.
As far as a guarantee for keeping something in confidence. We bet Chief is far better at that than the ntcc. Because the ntcc breaks confidence and airs people's business all the time. It is illegal for a minister to publicly share what was told to him or her in confidence. It is a breach. If that happens, they could be sued.
Having said that we would trust Chief over any ntcc leader.
Faithful [are] the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy [are] deceitful. - Pro 27:6 KJV
Chief said,
Wasn't St. Clair's ministers license suspended for a period of time and why was it reinstated? Aren't these questions that any responsible person should ask? I know I would. [...] I wouldn't allow St. Clair to come around my wife, children, sister, or any other woman. His daughter is insisting that this guy had sex with her for years.
Brother I wouldn't spend one second in that creeps church. In fact someone should go to the authorities and or the Post Chaplain on that guy because if I'm not mistaken he's pastoring a serviceman's home? Doesn't that alarm you GI's up in Washington? Aren't you military guys and gals soldiers who should be trying to protect each other?
DNA say,
Those are very good points you are making Chief.
Why do the St. Clairs lie and tell people they don't have a daughter?
Why did ntcc take away St. Clair's minister's license for six months?
Why did ntcc give St.Clair's minister's license back to him?
Why didn't ntcc report the alleged rape and abuse to the police?
Why does joan stay with ralph?
Would you let someone rape your daughter?
Would you rape your own daughter?
Why be part of a group that gives such an animal a minister's license?
The Post Chaplain should be notified.
St. Clair should be in prison, not hiding behind a pulpit!
Chief said,
Johnny Jordan was convicted of Sex Crimes: FACT. [...]
I wouldn't let Johnny Jordan come anywhere near my children or anyone else's children.
DNA say,
Let's keep it simple folks. Johnny Jordan is a convicted felon guilty of forcing sex acts on a child.
Those are the facts.
Anyone who allows a child to be near Johnny Jordan is guilty of CHILD ENDANGERMENT - a crime punishable BY LAW.
Anyone trying to sugarcoat Jordan's rape of Lisa Norton needs a check up from the neck up and should apply for the role of the Tin Man in the next remake of the Wizard of Oz because such a person couldn't possibly have a heart.
We feel so bad for these children who were hurt by Johnny Jordan.
The NTCC willfully endangered these kids by failing to report to the police Lisa's allegation of being raped by Jordan.
NTCC purposely moved Jordan in what we see as an attempt to hide him from criminal prosecution.
NTCC defamed Lisa Norton, encouraged her so-called mother Barbara Norton Warwick to abandon Lisa and her special needs brother Terry, who should have been cared for by Barbara.
So NTCC hid an accused rapist, encouraged a mother to abandon her children (which happens all the time in the NTCC) and also had Ashmore say cruel and untrue statements about Lisa and her friend Lori, calling them "sluts and whores"! How is that Christ-like? It is not and you know it.
By staying in the NTCC you are endorsing this criminal and unChristlike behavior. You are becoming a partaker in other men's sins. Don't do that.
The bible teaches us to judge righteous judgment and to be separate. That is true holiness. It's not long hair on women - like barbara norton warwick who beat, choked, and cursed at her children.
Holiness is not being clean shaven as Ashmore who calls little girls "sluts and whores".
Holiness is a heart condition.
Is your heart right with God?
Then you have to leave such a group that allows such criminal behavior at the very top of the group. A little leaven leavens the whole lump. Don't get puffed up by their sins. Get out and be that holy shew bread unto the Lord that has no leaven in it.
Chief and others that have been out can read harsh. partly due to righteous indignation, and maybe a little forgetting where he came from. from time to time we lose it, especially when it involves our brothers in arms being cheated, woman and children being harmed.we don't always agree as, mainly because not all of us left the same way. the incident of an exer blasting another was a sorrid love triangle. That was an isolated embarrasment that should have been addressed by mods of the blog. some have left ntcc, but ntcc hasn't left them.
I have no problem with the manner of expression of Jeff Collins. He is telling the truth and backs it up with his life. He is no hypocrite, no adulterer, no child-abuser, no rapist, he doesn't practice incest, etc., as the NTCC-leaders do. The motive behind is love and not selfishness. He wants to warn he wants to convince. He wants to share his opinion. Freedom of speach and freedom of opinion. I also think, if he has done something wrong he will apologize. None of the leaders in the NTCC will do that.
If you know all this, what is going on in NTCC, you must be wrong to stay.
Anonymous said...
I have no problem with the manner of expression of Jeff Collins. He is telling the truth and backs it up with his life. He is no hypocrite, no adulterer, no child-abuser, no rapist, he doesn't practice incest, etc., as the NTCC-leaders do. The motive behind is love and not selfishness. He wants to warn he wants to convince. He wants to share his opinion. Freedom of speach and freedom of opinion. I also think, if he has done something wrong he will apologize. None of the leaders in the NTCC will do that.
If you know all this, what is going on in NTCC, you must be wrong to stay.
DNA say,
HEAR! HEAR!
VERY GOOD POINTS ANONYMOUS!
James said...
That was an isolated embarrassment that should have been addressed by mods of the blog. some have left ntcc, but ntcc hasn't left them.
Chief said...
Some good points James but for what it's worth, I can assure you that the NTCC has left me. I get upset because of the tremendously large amount of information that I have and has been giving to me in regard to the absolute crookedness and double standards that "CLEARLY" exist within the NTCC leadership and frankly throughout the entire organization. I'm not exaggerating. Like I said, read my blog. I did my best to insure that the testimonies were accurate and true by calling people, and getting verification by talking to other parties involved to corroborate the testimony. Not only that, much of the stuff I had witnessed to one degree or another myself like the double standards, i.e. a preaching about one thing and then doing the exact opposite. That is one of the main reasons my wife and I left the NTCC.
Another Anonymous said...
Chief, stop berating people. For some reason you think that by putting ntccers down they are gonna take heed.
Chief said...
Hey, they don't seem to mind getting blasted by the likes of Kekel, RWD or many other abusive ministers. I'm I right? Often that seems to be the only approach they understand. What am I supposed to say? "Oh, "Pastor" Kekel isn't that bad of a guy". Really? That guy is a double standard con artist without doubt. No doubt whatsoever. So, (just like I was while I was with the NTCC) if you follow a known double standard con artist like Kekel, (just like I was) you are a sucker. It is what it is. The difference is, I didn't have access to anywhere near as much information as current NTCCers have now. NO WHERE NEAR because back in those days, the NTCC leadership kept everything a complete secret and they still would today if it weren't for the internet.
But then FACTNET came along and the crooked NTCC leadership was instantly exposed, (at least to people who were interested in knowing the truth about their devilish double standard deeds). It didn't take a whole lot of investigation to figure out what Kekel, Olson, RWD and Ashmore were all about, I can promise you. Double standard greedy money hungry hypocrites.
Well the problem was, I did do a "WHOLE" lot of investigation and the more we dug up, the more disgusted I got!!!! But then here was the second problem. I actually talked to a few at the time "Current" NTCC ministers and you wouldn't believe the reasons they gave me for knowing what they knew, and yet not leaving the NTCC. I won't give names. Here are some examples:
"I know what you are saying is true Chief, but if I leave the NTCC, my wife won't support me if I want to start another ministery".
"I understand what you are saying Chief and I've talked to Olson about these things but Olson threatened me and I'm not sending tithe money up to Graham anyway so their hypocrisy and double standards to really effect me in "MY" church anyway so I don't have a problem flying the name over the door."
Chief said...
Are you SERIOUS!! So folks / ministers / pastors will stay with a known crooked organization anyway with the same knowledge that I have? Really? Really? I thought it was supposed to be about serving and pleasing God? Well I'm not going to serve God, under the leadership of a bunch of known crooks, I'm sorry. Kekel is a crook people and the last time I checked, he is one of the main ones in charge of the entire organization. If I'm going to follow a known double standard crook, I'm not going to try and claim that I'm serving God at the same time and of that I will not back up. Sure it takes a long time to figure this all out sometimes but holy moly. You guys have so much information at your fingertips.
For the women however it's quite a bit different. They are more often than not, flat out trapped like slaves who have no where to go and no money to do it with. I feel sorry for the ladies. The NTCC's system forces them into a very bad bad situation that is very difficult to get away from and because of that I "HATE" the NTCC even more.
And Jesus said...
Rev 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
And Chief said...
Don, this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the NTCC leadership, which I also hate.
You better believe I'm hard. I can't stand the NTCC.
Anonymous said...
I have no problem with the manner of expression of Jeff Collins. He is telling the truth and backs it up with his life.
Chief / Jeff Collins said...
I appreciate that but believe me, I'm anything but perfect. I don't claim to be but there is one thing I do claim without reservation. I am absolutely NOT some hypocrite who stands behind a pulpit and preaches to people about every manner of holiness that I can possible dream up, (like RWD, Kekel, and Olson) and place all these extremely heavy burdens on people, make them feel guilty every chance I get, just to be at the exact same time a double standard hypocrite who in reality is only out for what I can get out of my church members. That is what Mike Kekel does and that is what RWD did for decades. This is a fact. I'm not a religious Christian hypocrite.
Davis preached hell fire and brimstone just to go sneaking off in Pam Norton's home while her husband was gone to work to have sex with her. She posted that information of the Yahoo group before she ever came out public with it. I still have the original email that she wrote and why would she be lying if at the time she in fact had not yet made it public on any of the blogs? RWD had been a double standard deviant for years. The story is on this blog in Pam's very own words. I could care less what RWD did but I do care when at the same time he was preaching me under the pew when at best I'd done a whole lot less in comparison. And Kekel is the same way. He is only after your money and control of your life people and control of your WOMEN. That's why for years women have been running over to clean his house. BECAUSE HIS SPOILED WIFE IS JUST TOO TOO BUSY TO CLEAN HER OWN STINKING HOUSE.
Anonymous said...
Chief,
Also what guarantees do you give to a person if they call you that you are gonna keep it between you and nobody else?
Thursday, April 24, 2014 7:25:00 AM
Anon a mouse says:
I for one know Chief keeps things shared with him to himself. I am in the borg and working myself out. I am trying to make sure my family comes along with me. I have talked with Chief personally and the details I have given him have not been made public. He has had a year to post it and has not. Neither has DnA, Kat, or Deb; all of whom I've contacted looking for answers and guidance and they haven't posted my business on their blogs. I am one person, but I am sure there are many others who can attest to the FACT that these folks keep your private conversations private (Imagine that!!!)
Anon a mouse,
Thank you for your comment. We hope these recent true stories will help you and your family escape the NTCC.
I want to speak to those that might think Chief is harsh. Now I speak from a victim of severe abuse and one that dislikes men with a passion so for me want speak in defense of a man should say something.
If you were to see someone being robbed or attack or a child being hurt out on the street would you ignore it? You say No. It is no different then Chief wanting to save people that are being robbed or attack verbally spiritually, physically, or sexually. You say that doesn't explain the harshness. If a lady or child is being hurt and you are able to get the upper hand what does one do they began to scream run. That is not a time to whisper or use your nice tone or voice. You need to get that person into action fast to save their life. If you see this start to take place or you see a criminal near that person you would then warn others. If someone is about to be hit by a car that is not the time to whisper pretty please get out of the street no it is the time to yell a firm response to save a life.
God has given each one of us a different personalities which gives balance to life and when we bring it all together with the help of the Lord we can save lives. We may not get all to listen but each one we do makes what we do important. I can say for myself if it wasn't for the blogs out there like Chief's Don and Ange to name a few I know I would not be here today I probably would not be alive so I am thankful that they have kept it going.
Chief in the last post reached out to me with such compassion it kind of shocked. It isn't his fault in the least of what happened to me yet he was sorry I went through and hope I was doing better in life despite it. That speaks volumes to me. He has earned my respect. I appreciate every comment he makes and his desire that others enjoy the freedom he enjoys. He is saying along with others here is the key to unlocking the chains that have you bond.
If one saves people from a sinking ship one must screaming out the orders over the noise of the water sometimes speaking roughly to get the people to react in saving their own lives. People you need to get off the sinking ship before it takes you so far under you drown.
I give praise and thanks to God first and for most. But I am also thankful for men like Chief, Don, and Vic for they show me not all men out there are users and abusers. I still don't think highly of men and don't trust men in general but when real men will stand up against the abuse that is extra strength medicine to my soul slowly repairing the damage.
Maybe you got over your NTCC experience in a flash I am happy for you. I on the other hand am still on that journey of healing and recover I need people to speak out also I know there are those out there that need someone to speak out on their behalf. There are innocence children that need someone to wake up their parents to save from being hurt or to listen to the hurt they are experiencing right now.
Hugs,
Julie
I know that some of you will ask, "Why didn't Pam Norton come out with this info earlier".
Chief said...
She did. She went to Olson and you know what he told her? To go find another Church. Can you imagine that? Go find another church. Olson is a stone cold enabling crook. She also told her mother and her mother asked her, "of all the pretty women in the church, why would RWD go after you?". Can you imagine that.
Not only that Pam was also ashamed herself. She admitted that some weeks, R.W. Davis gave her more money than her husband earned in a week. You think that is something you'd be very proud of? But the fact is this isn't about Pam or Julie or any of the others. It's about a couple hypocritical abusive who abuse their authority while preaching hell fire and brimstone down everybody else's throat and making their lives miserable in the process.
I could care less who has sex with Kekek, Davis, Kinson or any of the rest. What I do care about is that I trusted them and blindly like a sucker gave my money to them so my money could be blown on R.W. Davis paying Pam to keep her mouth shut. Now get some of that. All Christians pay tithe and give in the offerings hey? How about, all NTCC people like me who've ever paid tithes to that crooked organization were suckers because we blindly trusted folks because they went soul snatching, I mean soul winning while claiming they were Christians.
Chief
Ntcc does have a great deal of leverage when it comes to breaking up marriages and families. That can't be denied.
The person that left the comment that propped this post I hope that you are getting the help and support you need. I feel so bad for you. I understand the pain you must be suffering and have suffered because of this man and those in leadership that didn't protect you. To think that they bushed Johnny Jordan's past criminal acts against Lisa Norton under the rug which allow him to be able to hurt you just sickens me and cuts my heart. I also hope if you haven't reported this to the police that you do so. You nor anyone else deserves to be tormented by this man nor anyone else that abuses children or supports those that do. Perverts supporting perverts are what the leaders are in NTCC. Each one of the leaders have protected each other hiding each other's sins. They like those willing to do the evil acts with them or give them money so they have so much free time to get away with these evil acts. Each one of them are sick individuals they destroyed me a long with others thankful I am rebuilding taking back my life. It is a day to day process but thankful I have people that keep repeating the positive to me encouraging me and being there on my bad days as well as good days. I couldn't do it without them. Know that I am praying for you.
Hugs,
Julie
Perhaps Nancy Grace would be interested in these stories.
And one more thing that's important. If RWD didn't care about Pam Norton's soul, (which is evidenced by him standing idly by and watching her get kicked out of his own church because of what he did), why in the world should I adopt the notion that "he's human and makes mistakes like everyone else" but he really cares about my soul? If he couldn't be trusted with a woman in his own church, why should he be trusted with my wife, daughter or the money that I gave his church? Well he couldn't and that is why as a gift, the NTCC donated a piece of property, which was in the NTCC's name to Mike and Tanya Kekel, which was later valued at over $380,000 smakeroos.
Well Mike Kekel will say that was his Father-in-law's personal property and it was his to give to whom ever he wanted. Well then why did RWD put the property in the church's name in the first place? To evade paying taxes on it or maybe to protect it because the spit had just taken place and they were worried about legal action being taken against the NTCC? Who knows but what I do know for certain is that the property was in the "NTCC's" name when it was given to the Kekel's as a gift and when it was in RWD's name, (assuming it ever was in the first place) who do you think paid for it? Our hard earned money that we all gave to the church in tithes and offerings.
I listened with my own ears to RWD say openly in church one time that he had prayed to become a Millionaire. Well any logical person would conclude that if he prayed to become a millionaire, that mean that he wasn't one already which meant that he had to get the money from somewhere. Not too hard to figure out. That's how your hard earned money gets spent in the NTCC. On anything and everything the Kekel's and RWD could dream of owning. Trust RWD and Kekel and Olson? Are you kidding me. And did you read Olson's lame explanation of how the whole land transaction took place between the org and the Kekel's? It was flat out insulting. Olson never referred to R.W. Davis by his name but rather the quote, "Private Party". Are you serious? Do you call that full disclosure?
Brothers, Sisters, the NTCC leadership is crooked to the core and they can't ever be trusted because too many people in the org like the St. Clairs and Pam Norton's mother (Ms. Warwick the scoundrel) hold too much over their heads.
Thanks again for reading,
Chief
Chief said:
" Well then why did RWD put the property in the church's name in the first place?"
DNA said:
I'll tell you why, Chief. Because RWD and the whole General Board of the NTCC are a bunch of Real Estate Swindling Hucksters, that have no conscience about who they rip off or who they con out of their hard earned money. They Don't care how they spend your money or what you think about it. You have no voice, because you are just a bunch of brain washed nincompoops that will give us all the money we need to buy all of the luxuries we want. And if you don't like it, you can go to some other church and die and go to hell with them.
They have always had an arrogant attitude when it comes to what they do with their money, which is supposed to be God's money, but really it is your money that you gave to them. I'm sure that God is shaking His head in wonder and amazement at all of you hard core tithe payers that so willingly give your families money away to a bunch of pedophiles and sexual deviant predators, so they can live large and abuse people while you struggle to make ends meet.
Why in the name of plain common sense would God want you to support someone like Kekel? Are you afraid that if you don't, he will throw you out of the church? All of you God fearing men and women who love God and are busy about your Father's business, should be a little concerned about how you are spending God's money. Right? It's all God's isn't it? So when you give it to Kekel, and he spends it on himself, do you really think that God is pleased? Do you think that the souls that you are sending to Washington to bible school are benefiting from your contributions? The women are cleaning Kekel's houses and the men are being shaped into money grubbing hypocrites. Bible school is nothing more than a spine removal center for men. They go in wanting to set the world on fire, and come out afraid to ask questions or to stand up for themselves or their families. Any one that has enough character to question the immoral practices of the ntcc board members are run off and no longer welcome, so all that is left is a bunch of spineless men that put the ntcc ahead of their families.
You all could prove me wrong, by getting together and taking back your organization. If all of you "preachers" would stop paying your tithe to Washington and demand for the corrupt leaders to step down, I guarantee you that they would be in a huge quandry. Even if half of the ministers would get together and demand that Kekel, Ashmore, Olson, Johnson, Kinson, Jones and anyone else that has been turning a blind eye to the abuse that has been taking place would resign and those remaining were to take a vote to restructure the ntcc leadership, and bylaws so that no church leaders would get rich off of the labors of real Christians.
What would they do if you all stopped paying tithe to them? Revoke your phony credentials? They don't have the manpower to physically remove everyone, and who would they replace them all with? It's all nothing more than a pipe dream because nobody has a spine anymore or the stomach to stand up to these tyrants. You are supposed to be God's church, not Kekel's or Davis's church. I wish someone would prove me wrong and stand up to these thugs.
Anonymous of Thursday, April 24, 2014 1:41:00 PM said,
Perhaps Nancy Grace would be interested in these stories.
That is a great idea! Perhaps someone involved in that abuse should call the Nancy Grace Show.
Nancy Grace 877-626-2901
If all the pastors of the churches stopped paying their tithe to Graham, what would they do? Would they take you to court to have you removed? I wonder how that would go down. Judge: Why are you not paying church tithe as directed by your bylaws? Local Pastor: Because all of the Tithe money is going towards making a very few people rich. Our money is going towards million dollar mansions, expensive cars, recreational vehicles and every luxury imaginable, to leaders of a church that is supposed to be a non profit organization. In turn, Your Honor, These corrupt liars and Thieving Slimeballs are raping children and hiding incest and every manner of sexual perversion imaginable. Judge: Do you have anything to say about these allegations? NTCC Board Members all say in unison: We are Holy Men of Gawd, and we can't remember the last time we sinned. Olson: All we do is by the Holy Ghost and it seemed right to the Holy Ghost to live large off of the tithe payers money. Don't come to me with allegations of rape unless you have two or three witness that seen the pervert rape you. Mike Kekel: It's all my Father in laws doing, he made the rules and we just follow them. The rest of the cretins do what we say because we know what is in their best interest. Kinson: I never slept with anyone other than my wife. Johnson: "The wheels of Gawd turn slowly, but they turn sure." I married off my daughters before they could make any adult decisions of their own. Olson in the background shouts: "AMEN"!!
Tanya Kekel: All you strong backed and weak minded followers come clean my house while I go shopping, and all you men get snipped like my Daddy said. Grant Kekel: When can I move into my new mansion in Arizona that was deeded to me by Grandpa R-dub?
Will NTCC match-make verna davis and hurry up and marry her off now that she is a widow, the way they marry off every other NTCC woman whose husband passes away?
Why?
Or why not?
Ding Ding Ding
That's right. They WON'T because of the MONEY. Always follow the money.
Remember how old rodger used to take a jab at george 'dad' keener and ask him "When are you gonna get a wife of your own?" - it always stood out how rodger would add that last phrase with george but not with others "of your own"? Why? Did george already have rodger's wife? A little tit-for-tat, what's good for the gander is good for the goose? As in, rodger was a cheater, did verna try to get some on the side? Hmmn. It makes one wonder, since rodger always took that pot shot at george 'dad' keener and always added that last phrase "of your own".
Don and Ange wrote...
I wonder how that would go down. Judge: Why are you not paying church tithe as directed by your bylaws?
Chief wrote...
That was hilarious and you know why? It was so true. I remember RWD saying that he couldn't remember the last time he sinned. What a joke. I could remember plenty of times like every time he verbally abused people from the pulpit for no other reason than to publicly embarrass them. He was sinning when he said he couldn't remember the last time he sinned because that was a lie. He must have forgot about Pam Norton and the other three women he was accused of committing adultery with. I guess the sex must not have been that good for him to forget about it so easily.
Anyway, I've had just about enough for the day. Undoubtedly this will almost all get ignored by the main folks who should be paying the closest attention. Thank God my wife and daughter are out of that mess because the NTCC is hell on women. Davis felt that women shouldn't even be able to vote for crying out loud. Hands down that guy was the biggest male chauvinist pig I've ever met in my life. The NTCC got these scriptures all wrong that they use to suppress women. I can prove it to anyone who really wants to know the truth. It's quite obvious actually if you just study the scriptures with your own brain and not take what Davis and Kekel tell you at face value. Oh, I'd bought off on all that stuff also until I'd finally opened up my brain and did just a little research for myself. It didn't take much.
"Keepers at home". Translates: Good house keeper who keeps their house orderly. I does not mean that it's a sin for a woman to have a job.
Woman not wearing that which pertaineth to a man: Translates: The word "man" in that particular scripture in Hebrew specifically means a "Strong man" or "a man fit for battle". Not just any old man. Not wearing that which pertaineth in Hebrew meant a utensil like armor or a weapon. So if you translate the whole scripture it means that a woman should not wear a weapon or armor worn by a man fit for battle or a strong man. It has absolutely nothing to do with a mandate that all women are required to run around in a dress. Prove me wrong. I looked it up.
You NTCC women are being played, abused and used and treated like slaves. The virtuous women in Proverbs 31 had a Job. Look it up. She even left the home to "Deliver goods". Sounds like a job to me the last time I checked. So being that I know the NTCC got those two wrong for certain, I have to ask myself how many others did they get wrong? Study and read for yourself and if Davis and Kekel have been wrong, then they are wrong. My wife has a job, thank you, and a career and we are a whole lot better off because of it. If you don't want to work that is fine and there is nothing wrong with that, but don't tell me it's a sin when it isn't.
Chief
Who is this mysteriest victim?
Not sending tithes to graham IS a great move in the right direction.
Don and Ange you show that you have never had to live with the humiliation of having a family member going public with such disgusting news. I don't believe anything wicked should ever be in the news the same as I believe this type of stuff should be discussed with a counselor or a professional not among the public or every day people. I am not going to tell you my problems you are not a counselor. My sister is wrong on every level in speaking to you or the public.
Ange you don't have a degree this making my sister a gossiper and talebearer. Yes she suffered at the hands of Davis but he is dead. Yes someone broke into our house wanting to rape her. Yes my father did stuff to her. Yes Ashmore was messing with her but I don't have knowledge how far that went with him. Yes church members did stuff to her at a number different churches. Yes Donny abused her I saw some of it. Yes Wayne Eury and Angela Eury in San Antonio abused her. They were mean she didn't ask for that. Yes Di Francescio abused her. Yes Olson abused her and so did many more abused her.
A few things that bother me. One she didn't tell all details that makes me question some of the details. Two she opened herself to the abuse. Three she is wrong going public; these people aren't abusing her now. Four why would you volunteer to be her sister and brother believe me it is no picnic. She has nothing to offer no one. She is so unintelligent and hard to understand or follow her train of thought. Spend a week with her in your home and you will want her out of your life for good. When we were growing up I use to think she was the okay but not having much friends I didn't see how annoying she can be for real. When you have to have her repeat her words or ask what she is trying to say in an email or explain every little thing it gets tiring. I have reached a point where I want to be with my kind and people of my intelligence not her low level of life. Do you know she doesn't have a career or job? Just because she volunteers over a 80 hours a month and wants to help the world that doesn't make her a successful person. If you really desire to claim her I think you are some strange people. As for me I am glad to release myself from the burden of having to be her family. Disabled people are such a waste and with everything that has happened to her she will always have scars that are burdensome to others for life.
I request that you walk away from her and stop letting her speak about her past of sexual abuse. I am not deny the stuff happened she just has no right to speak to you about it. I wonder if you secretly hate her for talking; just don't have the guts to tell her to shut up. Remember you aren't in NTCC you have the right to tell her to close her mouth. She is causing more people to tell you their woes. OMG!! who needs or wants to know what happened to others I sure don't want or need to know. Are you that lost in life?
I wish you the best. Enjoy life and your marriage instead. Don't miss out on the moments. I have been married 20 plus years and don't want to miss any moments worrying about others especially burdensome disabled people they aren't worth anyone's time.
Now I feel vindicated when in 1979 I walked into the office and in front of Olson, Davis, and Verna, I reported that Tanya was not behaving very "holiness" reclining over on and pawing McKekel at the fellowship dinner. Oh, was I naive! Later I was called on the carpet because word got out that my wife called him a devil.
Now I feel vindicated, when in 1979 I walked into the office and in front of Olson, Davis, and Verna, I reported that Tanya was not behaving very "holiness" reclining over on and pawing McKekel at the fellowship dinner. Oh, was I naive! Later I was called on the carpet because word got out that my wife called him a devil.
Well DD, your wife was more perceptive than I was. It was a deliverance to escape that demented circus. It's a hoax and a fraud. My opinion of NTCC has diminished steadily the longer I've been away, because the passage of time bestows a more accurate perspective, and also because more and more information comes to light about the outrageous behavior of these putative leaders.
You're right Chief, we were suckers and dupes and lived in harsh self denial just so these elitists could languish in luxury and ease. But you know what? We did escape. It was an epic struggle that lasted years, but in the end the controllers lost. Let me here appeal to those who are still bound to step up and ditch this corrupt "church." Don't continue legitimizing it with your presence. It has been my observation that the longer people stay after they know better, the worse they become. Don't be some pathetic old man or woman asking permission if you can wipe your ass. Yes, I said ass. Grow up. It's just a word that means what it means. Would you rather I say anus? Get real! NTCC has you all afraid that you're going to slip on a nonexistent banana peel and wind up in flames of fire. Bullshit. Yes, I said bullshit. Try it sometime. You won't be stricken by lightning, and sometimes it is the best and most appropriate expression for what's going on.
Well, don't know where that came from, but I don't think it was "the devil." Relax and enjoy life. Don't be obsessed with ridiculous rules and commandments. You'll be better off for it. Jesus himself said all you need to do is love God and your neighbor and you're set. How simple is that?
Photon DD said:
" I reported that Tanya was not behaving very "holiness" reclining over on and pawing McKekel at the fellowship dinner."
DNA said:
Another example of Double Standards that just makes you shake your head. McKekel is a pedophile, has been, still is and always will be one perverted individual. After having knowledge of what he has done to Julie, it makes sense now how that Davis chose McKekel to be his heir apparent. Davis liked to fondle and rape young girls also. This group is every bit as sick as any other cult. I know in the past that many people have tried to make excuses for Kekel being in his twenties and groping a underaged teen Tanya Kekel, but there really is no excuse, when you look at it for what it is. Perversion is as perversion does.
What kind of Father in his right mind would allow such things. Darwin seen this and brought it to Davis' attention. Vic also reported it. Many others just dismissed it as normal behavior. You would think that a normal Father would show concern. Now it all makes perfect sense. Davis was not a normal father, but he was also into groping and fondling young teenage (underage) girls. Davis surrounded himself with butt kissing yes men who would help him cover up his sins from the eyes of the church. It's no wonder that Davis allowed known pedophiles like Fontenot and Ralph and Joan St. Clair to remain in power and hold positions of authority over children who could be easily accessed by him. Birds of a feather flock together. I mean Davis put Rudy in charge of the day school children for crying out loud. The same dude he had caught crossdressing in his car during that time period. What kind of a sick human being would condone situations that put children at risk? Kekel is, was and always will be the same pervert. The general board of the ntcc is one seriously messed up group of sick sadistic individuals for allowing this kind of stuff to go on. They need to be behind bars.
Here is a list of questions that you should ask your pastor or the General Board members:
1. Why did Ralph St. Clair lose his ministers license for 6 months?
2. Did Ralph St. Clair have sexual intercourse with his daughter and if He did, why in the name of plain common sense is he now in charge of a Servicemen's home in Tillicum?
3. Why would Davis allow a minister in this organization to keep his credentials after raping his own daughter?
4. Did Kekel force Julie to have sex with him? Does Kekel admit that he raped or had any type of sexual encounters with Julie?
5. Why would Kekel be placed in the highest office of the ntcc, when he doesn't even deny that this has happened?
Those are just 5 questions out of millions that you should be asking. You church going ntcc'rs have the right to know what is going on in your church and among it's leaders. You are supposed to be representing the body of Christ but most of you are ignoring the fact that your leadership is full of whore mongering adulterers and sexually deviant pedophiles and perverts. Your tithe dollars are supporting these sick people as they do their sick deeds. Remember, there is no record of these sick sex offenders ever recovering from their sickness. The only way to get them to stop is to isolate them from society. Let them be imprisoned for ruining childrens lives. See how they like being violated in a prison environment. Is it really any different? Maybe if a few of them were sodomized in a federal penitentiary they might experience just a small amount of the suffering they have caused in the childrens lives who had no choice in the matter.
Julie, I know what you have shared has not been easy. I know it is difficult to share personal details of such things. What you went through was so horrific and you were completely undeserving of any of this. You have been brave, honest and you are very intelligent. Don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise. You are speaking for so many people not just in this perverted organization but in many cults around the world. So many people keep this stuff inside for their entire lives and never find peace or healing. You are strong and you are doing what is necessary to keep this from happening again. You can only do so much but you have brought awareness to what has been hidden inside of the ntcc for many years. You were a victim, a child raised by very perverted parents, that used you for their own gratification and passed you around to others as if you were an object created for their pleasure. Nobody in the world deserves to grow up like that. You have been extremely brave to share your testimony publicly.
For those of you out there that think that she should not go public with this information, why would you want this information to be squelched? What kind of sick people would want this kind of thing happening to their own children? Keeping quiet about this type of sexually deviant behavior is equivalent to ignoring it and allowing it to continue. I promise you that if the right authorities get ahold of this story, it's going to be a lot more public than it is now on our blog. There are people that have direct knowledge of this happening that could have gone to the police and put an end to it, but they ignored it and allowed these sick demonic filthy weirdo perverts to continue violating Julie. They all referred to her as a retarded freak and many other derogatory terms as they groomed her to be a sex slave from her prepubescent years all the way until she was an adult.
If you are in the ntcc and reading this, you need to have your head examined for continuing to support these sick people. You are giving them your money so they can be rewarded for their perversion. Wake up! Open your eyes! Why would you give these people your tithe?
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Maidens Of River Road
Thank-you for putting this video on the blog. It is very informative!
If you are in the ntcc and reading this, you need to have your head examined for continuing to support these sick people. You are giving them your money so they can be rewarded for their perversion.
Very good point!
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Maidens Of River Road
Thank-you for putting this video on the blog. It is very informative!
DNA said:
It lets you know that Julies case is not isolated. This is how cult leaders behave. They live high on the hog and commit acts of sexual perversion and then arrogantly think that it's nobody else's business. This cult leader convinced the parents of young girls to allow them to live with him while he raped them. And that's exactly what it is, lets not sugar coat it. It's rape, plain and simple. You say well that 13 year old girl willingly took off her clothes and enjoyed it. If you think that, than you are probably just as sick as the rapist that takes pleasure in violating young children. The ntcc has committed sex crimes against Julie and other young girls. They should all be behind bars getting raped themselves. Do you think that fits the description of rape? Kekel took a belt and whipped Julie and then made her have sex with him. She was summoned to him, she didn't go there looking for sex. She was abused by men all her life and had no idea how to deal with the pressures of organization leaders like Davis and Kekel forcing her to pleasure them. We were all convinced by local pastors to give our money to them and dress like a bunch of out dated throw backs from the turn of the century. Cult leaders like Davis and Kekel are well trained in mind control and sexual manipulation. They both spanked Julie from when she was little and they both helped themselves to the disabled girl when they couldn't be satisfied by their wives. What a sick bunch of freaks.
It's rape, plain and simple. You say well that 13 year old girl willingly took off her clothes and enjoyed it. If you think that, than you are probably just as sick as the rapist that takes pleasure in violating young children. The ntcc has committed sex crimes against Julie and other young girls. They should all be behind bars getting raped themselves. Do you think that fits the description of rape? Kekel took a belt and whipped Julie and then made her have sex with him. She was summoned to him, she didn't go there looking for sex. She was abused by men all her life and had no idea how to deal with the pressures of organization leaders like Davis and Kekel forcing her to pleasure them.
Very good points!
Yes brother John please take this to heart and mind!!!
Brother of Julie - your sister was whipped by Kekel with a belt - do you know how that feels??? Then HE and again HE made her having sex with HIM.
She was summoned to HIM, your false god KEKEL, she didn't go there looking for sex.
The way your family and yourself treat handicapped family members is horrible and certainly not biblical!
You guys are idiots you have nothing better to do with your time....GET A LIFE because clearly you have no Idea what you are talking about...these are wonderful, loving people who are doing an awesome work I've been going there for years and they are nothing short but amazing, and giving people and if any of you really believe this garbage I feel sorry for you and your souls...but I guess wicked people like you need prayer too!
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