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A safe place for Xers to share their stories and heal.

A place to learn what it's really like in the ntcc founded by Rodger Wilson Davis;
and run by his son-in-law, Michael Craig Kekel,
the father of the one vasectomy-rule-exception kid in ntcc, Grant Davison Kekel.

He Loves A House More Than God: Bonco Mansions of kekel (l) and davis (r)

He Loves A House More Than God:  Bonco Mansions of kekel (l) and davis (r)
"He loves a house more than God:" *Bonco* Mansions of kekel (l) and davis (r). Meanwhile, on the mission field: ntcc Missionaries to the Philippines "Rev. and Sis. Mackert ... found a place, 9 feet by 14 feet [9'x14'] and one bathroom. It is on the 6th floor and there is no elevator. The last place they had stayed, they had to share a common bathroom with the other tenants! Yikes! This place has their very own private bathroom, although the Rev. shared there is no seat on the throne, and no way to attach one…." from The Devonshire Files Sunday, May 28, 2006 Visit from the Mackerts (5/06). ** Should you know where the money ($$$$$) goes? **

Jesus In The Temple

Matt 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, Matt 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Gal. 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Skip To Blue Letter Bible Search Tool

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Monday, April 14, 2014

1993 Rape At The Lodge: Kekel Grabbed Me In Front Of Olson, Davis, and Ashmore

In the previous two posts, Julie alleged that Michael C. Kekel, the NTCC CEO, raped her at his house on the seminary campus in 1990 (read more), and at the campground in Missouri in 1992 when she was 18 (read more). In this post Julie alleges that Kekel grabbed her in front of three other NTCC Executive Board Members, none of whom questioned what he was doing. She then describes his alleged rape and sexual interactions with her, that he reportedly tried to justify by twisting scripture.

I escaped Kekel for a while since I lived in Texas but he wasn’t done with me, I hate to say. A year later he got me in another conference. I left my son in the hotel with a lot of children. He was crying I begged to stay with him I didn’t want to leave my little boy but no I had to go I had no say in life. I had no choice. I find out when I arrive Kekel wants to see me after the sevice. I wondered if it was sex, another spanking, or maybe he found out I have been complaining about the group I hate attending the services. I hate who I was. Maybe he has heard all that.  Then a puzzling thought crosses my mind. Why Kekel and not Davis? I knew then it has to be for sex. I couldn’t tell no one because all they would do is run to the leaders which only made it worse. Why did some people get in trouble for having sex outside of marriage but for some it was okay.  I was told to tell no one including my husband. I didn’t think he would believe ne anyway. Kekel told me this was God’s will but sometimes people don’t understand God’s will so we must keep things quiet. I knew Kekel would give some explanation to explain away what happens why he needs to speak to me if he was questioned.  I noticed all the leaders always had some explanation when questioned about anything. I was sick to my stomach as I try to make it through service. I want to disappear. I went to the bathroom before heading out to the Lodge. Why does he want me? He says I am nasty, ugly, retarded, a burden, and shouldn’t be live. Then I think maybe he is trying to make me worth the air I breathe. One might say if he is so mean to you how you can think he is trying to make you worth like he cared. Well my idea of care was pretty messed up.
Two or Three Witnesses - Monkeying Around
NTCC Executive Board Members Ashmore, Davis, and Olson Don't Question Kekel When He Grabbed Julie For Another Rape She Alleges
NTCC Executive Board Members Ashmore, Davis, and Olson Don't Question Kekel When Mike Allegedly Grabbed Julie For Yet Another Rape and Sex Session

I make it to the Lodge. I was so overwhelmed that I didn’t pay any attention to who was around except that Kekel was talking to Olson, Davis, and Ashmore. I thought okay all four was to yell at me. This is going to be an insult session but no not this time. Kekel grabbed me. None of other men questioned what he was doing. I closed my eyes I don’t want to see anything. I am scared. I didn’t want to see him I didn’t want to remember. I keep my eyes closed as I undress at his command. He tells me to get on all four I stumble through this then he wants more. He starts doing other things to me I try to stop him I didn’t want it from him. He finally says I am feeling generous you have a chose you can either have me enter you or you can mouth me all the way. I said I am done I want to go. He chuckled you know it will be one or the other. I decided intercourse was better than the other. 

The Rolling Stones Under My Thumb Lyric Video on YouTube


DNA Say, we can just picture Kekel zipping up after this rape and sex session with Julie, gleefully singing this tune as he prepares to regale the Executive Board Members with the ribald details of his once again dominating Julie. Unlike Mick Jagger, who sings this song about dominating a woman who once had him down, Mike Kekel and the other NTCC Board Members have held all the power all along and kept Julie under their thumbs from the way she walks and how she talks when she's spoken to... The song is very fitting in that light.  So before all you sanctimonious religious hypocrites choke on a gnat and swallow a camel, ask yourself what is truly evil?  Are we evil for sharing a song that succinctly describes the NTCC mindset against women?  Or are these NTCC leaders who rape and oppress women and children the worst kind of evil in the world?  You decide.

I think this must be okay for surely someone would have heard us and come in by now. If this is okay why I do feel dirty why do I feel this is bad? I am so horrible why someone doesn’t just kill me.  I am married he is married. Why does he tell me God gave me unto him and this is well pleasing unto God? I wasn’t to tell anyone for sexual things were not to be spoke of. He said it is only supposed to be between two people. I ask him if it is supposed to be a secret between two people than why he asks about my sex with others. He says God has put him into a position where he is supposed to be allowed to know everything about everyone. He throws random scriptures at me confusing me into believing he was right.
He leaves me alone until I moved back to Washington to continue stupid pill school or as I use to call it as a child “The Cemetery”.

to be continued

Were these Executive Board Members acting together to oppress Julie, treating her as a sex slave they could call for at will? Is this why they moved Julie back to Washington - so they could all have 'easy access' to her? Where could she go for help? With limited education, no exposure to T.V., the internet, or any sense of how the world operated, to whom could she speak? Could she tell the husband whom the NTCC had hand-picked for her in an arranged marriage that took place when she was only 16 years old? Trained her whole life to think that she was "stupid" "dumb" a "retard" or even "mentally insane" (as if there is another kind?) *sigh*. In constant pain from Cerebral Palsy, with limited mobility and no education, how could she possibly get free? These Executive Board Members held all the power and abused it to make her a sex slave, moving her about the country both at and for their pleasure. It is sickening. It is, in our opinion, human sex trafficking.

UPDATE:
Susie said,
I want to share what happened to me. I have been reading what is on the blog. Julie’s story have really got my attention. I know Julie from way back. I babysat her when she was about 11 or 12 years old. I decided to try to contact her. We chatted online for a while; I asked for her number she gave it to me. I asked if she would mind if I called right then she said no. I was surprised. Let me explain why this surprised me.

I called her. I talked to her for a few minutes. I then asked if she remembered any particular times in which I babysat her. She said yes. I was reading online how she was offering forgives to those that saw things but didn’t save her from the abuse. This is what led me to contact her. One day she was over my house I thought she had did a particular thing I got upset didn’t fully check things out. I told she was going to get a spanking. I told her to wait in the other room. I grabbed a wooden spoon. I ended up spanking but I did not beat her none the less I humiliated her in front of the other kids punishing her for something that I had never verified she had done. It was pretty common to spank other people’s kids. I let my teaching cause me to pretty mean that day.
I asked her on the phone if she remembered that day she said she did. I said why did you agreed to talk to me? She said when I contacted her online God spoke to her heart. We talked of that day. I told her that hurt my heart for a long time what I did to her. I asked if she could find it in her heart to forgive me. She said with such compassion in her voice YES! She continued talking with love in words she shared. I thought if she can show this much love and compassion just maybe there is still hope between me and God. She then asked if I would like her to pray for me. I agreed. She prayed so simple yet there was power in her prayer. She prayed as if she talked to God often. I felt the ache of my heart leave and peace come to me. As she ended the prayer she began to sing to God from deep within and with such heart.
During our conversation she told me to hold on for a moment a few times. I finally asked her if her daughter was up. She said no. I said why did you told me to wait a moment several times? She said oh I am just having a lot of pain sometimes it hits peek points I have to grit my teeth and take deep breaths to get through those moments. She said sorry it must be annoying on your end for me to say just a moment so much. I went oh no you are fine. I thought God she has compassion, love, forgiveness, and care in the middle of her difficults how can I ever complain about my troubles.

Don and Ange I noticed you claim her as a sister. I hope that you realize you have a treasure and a blessing from God with that girl in your lives. She is an angel sent from above in human form with such a humble heart filled with love and compassion. Please always defend and protect her from people that might want to speak against her or use what she says to say hurtful things about her. She so deserves protection after all she has been through no matter how strong she gets.
Growing –up Julie step in to defend and protect many, suffering the pain on others behalves it is nice to finally see someone care about her now.
Anyone that would ever want to say she is out for attention, pity, selfishness, or looking to take center-stage needs to stop look at her comments and her life it shows that those words do not show the character of Julie.

I am not much for writing online but I just wanted to stop in and share this about the one you claim as family and make sure you know what God has given you.
Thanks, Susie, for your comment. We are learning every day what a treasure Julie is; we too learn from her so many things about Christianity in practice:  love, joy, peace, loyalty, giving, humility and compassion - to name a few.  Our relationship with her has developed into what she has dubbed our "friend-familyship" with God in the center of it.  It doesn't get any better than that.   :o)
Anonymous said...Julie I just you to want I read what you shared about grace. As I have read how you have offered forgive to the lady that wronged you; it made me wanted to have a relationship with God like you. I have been away from God for so long I wasn't sure God wanted but you made him so real so simple. You made the love of God more real than anyone I know. I am walking with God now. Thank you for caring about all of us out here. Today God is with me again.
Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:16:00 PM
DNA say,

This comment makes us so happy! Thank you God for each one who comes back to you. Yay Jesus!!

This just came in from another lady; she recently left the NTCC:
Allie said,
I too want to share the heart of Julie. I contacted her as I planned to leave NTCC except for letting her know we had made it out I haven’t really talked much to her. I contacted her the other day not knowing who else to ask to pray for me. I told her things were tight and I really needed to figure some food until pay day. I asked if she would pray. She prayed including saying God direct someone to help this family out. We ended our conversation that morning.
That evening she contacted me. She told me to look in my in-box of my e-mail she had sent me a message. I went there and found a gift card for my local grocery store. I started crying. I said wait you can’t afford this and didn’t you pray for God to direct someone to help me. She said well sometimes God just wants me to pray for someone sometimes God wants me to act. She said God wanted me to act in this one. She told me she trade with someone a few gift codes for this gift card. God had come through. It was so hard to receive but Julie shared something that really helped me.
Julie said NTCC has taught give give give but never receiving. I said what about the scripture it is more blessed to give then receive. She said okay let’s look at this. She said so if God only wants us to give even speaks of us taking care of those close to us in the family of God. Who does he want us to give to the cows the horses or maybe it is the little piggies. She said to give someone has got to receive. She said God doesn’t give to just one person and if he is our example why would he want us to only give to one person. She said God has a big job in shedding our NTCC way of thinking. It is easy to worry in receiving we may seem greedy or get into the receiving like the leaders but just the fact we are concerned about this, God shows us this proves we would never be as the leaders for our hearts are not into taking from others. Sometimes God will really pour blessings on someone to prove to them how much he loves to give to his children and shed the fear that they will appear as NTCC leaders. She said Just like friendship giving and receiving is a two-way street just understand your giving may not appear as what you receiving because each one has different ways to give and each one has different needs to receive. She said I pray to see what God would have me do in each person’s life. She said if I give when he wouldn’t have me give; a few things can happen one I might lack, two I might not have what is needed for who God would have me give to, and three I might rob someone else the blessing of giving to this person.
I am so blown away with the wisdom Julie has learned. I know she has had to get over NTCC thinking and like she said there are still many things she still has NTCC thinking in but God is patiently working and directing her life.

Tuesday, April 15, 2014 11:20:00 AM
Anonymous said...
So I got out at a good time before my kids where at point where they could be abused? Thank you for sharing I am now at peace with what I decided.
Tuesday, April 15, 2014 12:20:00 PM


Your Voice Saved Our Lives said...

The guts you have Julie to stand up and say I am not going to idly stand by at the risk of another victim. My wife and I got to the bible school about a little over a year ago we were not at peace being there small things we noticed just bothered us. The leaders here are forever wanting alone time with the ladies.

My wife is one of the ladies that cleaned for Tanya and some of the other ladies as well. She told me one day that M. Kekel was in the house and asked to speak with her alone. My wife knew she was to obey the Man of God but her gut just didn't set right. She finally stammered out sir I will gladly speak to you but I would like to wait until my husband is present. My other pastor told me it is not good to be alone with a man including the Man of God. M. Kekel didn't seem happy and told her she could go home. Nothing more was said and she was not allow back to clean. We couldn't figure out what that was all about since nothing happened and not much was said.

We have recently left due to Julie being willing to share the adult sex stuff with us all. Thank you Julie! And I know you would want the Lord to be thanked too so Thank you Lord for watching over my family in letting us know we needed to get out of there.

My children are saved from that pain.
Saturday, April 19, 2014 11:46:00 PM
DNA say,

Good job Anonymous!  God delivered you and you children!  Awesome!
Anonymous said...
Thank you Julie for sharing Jesus. I came to the God in you now I have him in my heart too. My husband who was never in the group witnessed the changed in me wanted to know after walking away from that group how I could want God im my life? I shared what I read on the blog. I said this girl Julie showed me the real Jesus it made me want him like her. My husband asked Jesus into his heart. Some of my friends are noticing I am different I have been able to share with them about Jesus in me.Julie you point Jesus you dont make yourself the center of attention when I look at you Jesus shines so brightly in you that is all I see. Thank you God for showing me Jesus through a broken crippled girl willing to carrying Jesus to the world. Thanks to all that keep this going
Wednesday, April 16, 2014 5:25:00 PM
Anonymous said...
i am extremely grieved at NTCC violating Julie's and other the ladies civil rights . i have interviewed many clients who where sexually abused or raped, and her story sounds just like theirs. julie's account doesn't sound coached ,coerced or attention getting.
Friday, April 18, 2014 9:45:00 PM
Loving God said...
My heart is so grieved by what I am reading about your life. I have got out and I have my family. In fact we are having a big family Easter get together. I have been able to put it all behind me but I didn't suffer what you suffered. I hope somehow you can have peace at this time in your life knowing that Christ died for you and rose again that you can have liberty in him.
I have never experienced your life so I will not even pretend to know how you feel or should feel. I just hope you know God loves you right now. He feels your struggles and pain you have today. I know you live for God but I also know with pain some days it can feel like the depression overcomes you. My prayers are with you.
Saturday, April 19, 2014 11:23:00 AM
Anonymous said...
So you are the girl that Rev. Kekel has been speaking about. He has been saying some ugly things about you.
[...]
I too would have never heard of you or known to look on this blog had he not spent so much time speaking against you.

With everything that has happened to you, having no family, and what you deal with now in all this, it has got to be hard being you.
I left NTCC yesterday because you cared enough to speak out about the truth. I pray for you and hope you keep speaking until all hear what has happened in this place people call a church organization.
Wednesday, April 16, 2014 2:10:00 PM
Anonymous said...I too heard Rev kekel speak horribly of Julie. It was thr worse I have even heard. My wife and I left the bible school to hear a lady spoke of in such a nasty manner we were shocked. This shoudnt have happened.
Friday, April 18, 2014 1:39:00 PM
Sam said...
This will be our first weekend away from NTCC. We have struggled yet enjoyed this week. My wife has seen me at the dinner table more then she has in a few years. Before it was work then the work of God always having to heat up my dinner after church or soul-winning. It is different eating so early. Don and Ange you probably think ill of us for now we want to just read and pray at home together not go to church. We just want us and God. We been doing this all week long and it has been incredible and a blessing to our souls.
Julie thank you! You gave me the wake-up call my wife had been praying to God about. My wife has walking with God not willing to be like other pastor's wives she has seen even been called out for it. I was so blind I thought she was wrong but now I realize when she keep saying this place isn't follow God she spoke the truth.
Saturday, April 19, 2014 8:09:00 AM
Dear Sam and Fam,

We are so happy for you to have made "The Great Escape"!!!  We certainly DO NOT  think ill  of you for wanting to  just read and pray at home together. 
One thing we know, the church is Christ's body.  He said,

For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. - Mat 18:20 KJV


And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me. - Jhn 12:32 KJV

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. - Mat 16:18 KJV

When you gather in His name, He is there.  When He is lifted up, He draws all to Himself.  He WILL build HIS CHURCH.  The gates of hell will not prevail.

People have a saying that we love, "BE THE CHURCH".  We love it because it puts the focus back on Christ. We are to be members of His body (which is the church:

Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. - 1 Cor 12:27 KJV

We are His body, His members like the hands that reach out to the homeless, the heart that breaks for the abused, the voice that shares what He has done for us, how that by His stripes we are healed (1 Peter 2:24 here, Isa 53:5 here).

When leaving a controlling cult like ntcc, it is a good idea to take time and enjoy your RELATIONSHIP with Christ.  When looking at other churches, pray so that you do not allow the false ntcc doctrine to cause you to be too critical.  Visit different groups and look for people who live like the Bible example set forth by Christ.  Do the leaders serve other people?  Is there unconditional love that abides even when people are sinning?  Is the church a place of healing?  Are there controls? Or is there the liberty found where there is the Spirit of Christ?

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty. - 2Co 3:17 KJV

Be a fruit inspector. Don't be too quick to commit to only one group. Find out first what they are really like. Maintain your liberty in Christ to visit other churches.  Believe us, normal and healthy churches do not resent or fear that. They embrace working together with other churches and even have a name for it:  

ec·u·men·i·cal

  [ek-yoo-men-i-kuhor, esp. British, ee-kyoo-]  
adjective
1.
general; universal.
2.
pertaining to the whole Christian church.
3.
promoting or fostering Christian unity throughout the world.
4.
of or pertaining to a movement (ecumenical movement)  especially among Protestant groups since the 1800s, aimed at achieving universal Christian unity and church union through international interdenominational organizations that cooperate on matters of mutual concern.
5.
inter-religious or interdenominational: an ecumenical marriage.

Love God first with all your heart, mind, strength. Love your neighbor as yourself.  The rest will follow.

Don't worry about what we or anyone else thinks.  Seek His face. Seek His approval. His is the vote that counts. :o)  And we get the sense that you have His approval, based on what you wrote:

We just want us and God. We been doing this all week long and it has been incredible and a blessing to our souls.

The Bible records:

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
 - Rom 8:14 KJV
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
 - Rom 8:15 KJV
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
 - Rom 8:16 KJV
Who [is] he that condemneth? [It is] Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
 - Rom 8:34 KJV
Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, [then] have we confidence toward God. 
- 1Jo 3:21 KJV

Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
 - Gal 5:1 KJV

Don and Ange said...

If you've just left NTCC Lisa Norton said she will be praying especially for you to find your healing. We too will be praying for that and more.
Friday, April 18, 2014 9:07:00 PM

Julie said,
[...]
Thank you Jesus! Only God can work like this in people's lives. Know that you have many people praying for you so many.
Hugs,Julie
Saturday, April 19, 2014 8:19:00 AM
For those of you who haven't yet met Julie or don't know anything about her, we feel this next song / video perfectly portrays her god-heart, the following scriptures her life-prayer:

Whom have I in heaven [but thee]? and [there is] none upon earth [that] I desire beside thee. - Psa 73:25 KJV

17 Although the fig tree shall not blossom, neither [shall] fruit [be] in the vines; the labour of the olive shall fail, and the fields shall yield no meat; the flock shall be cut off from the fold, and [there shall be] no herd in the stalls: 18 Yet I will rejoice in the LORD, I will joy in the God of my salvation. 19 The LORD God [is] my strength, and he will make my feet like hinds' [feet], and he will make me to walk upon mine high places. To the chief singer on my stringed instruments. - Hab 3:17-19 KJV

... weeping may endure for a night, but joy [cometh] in the morning. - Psa 30:5 KJV [partial]

Yet Will I Sing by Audra Lynn Video Link

And while we love Julie as much as anyone, we want everyone to remember, it is Jesus Who died for us to set us free. He deserves all the praise and glory.  Love you Lord!

As the testimonies continue to pour in, we thank God for each person He delivers from sin. Thank You Jesus!

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164 comments:

Anonymous said...

So J. Olson and J R Ashmore why did you not say anything that day? Maybe you were having sex with women too or maybe you were having sex with Julie she just hasn't shared what you did yet. Were you more concerned about what your co-master RW would say if you stood up for Julie that day?

Susie said...

I want to share what happened to me. I have been reading what is on the blog. Julie’s story have really got my attention. I know Julie from way back. I babysat her when she was about 11 or 12 years old. I decided to try to contact her. We chatted online for a while; I asked for her number she gave it to me. I asked if she would mind if I called right then she said no. I was surprised. Let me explain why this surprised me.

I called her. I talked to her for a few minutes. I then asked if she remembered any particular times in which I babysat her. She said yes. I was reading online how she was offering forgives to those that saw things but didn’t save her from the abuse. This is what led me to contact her. One day she was over my house I thought she had did a particular thing I got upset didn’t fully check things out. I told she was going to get a spanking. I told her to wait in the other room. I grabbed a wooden spoon. I ended up spanking but I did not beat her none the less I humiliated her in front of the other kids punishing her for something that I had never verified she had done. It was pretty common to spank other people’s kids. I let my teaching cause me to pretty mean that day.

I asked her on the phone if she remembered that day she said she did. I said why did you agreed to talk to me? She said when I contacted her online God spoke to her heart. We talked of that day. I told her that hurt my heart for a long time what I did to her. I asked if she could find it in her heart to forgive me. She said with such compassion in her voice YES! She continued talking with love in words she shared. I thought if she can show this much love and compassion just maybe there is still hope between me and God. She then asked if I would like her to pray for me. I agreed. She prayed so simple yet there was power in her prayer. She prayed as if she talked to God often. I felt the ache of my heart leave and peace come to me. As she ended the prayer she began to sing to God from deep within and with such heart.

During our conversation she told me to hold on for a moment a few times. I finally asked her if her daughter was up. She said no. I said why did you told me to wait a moment several times? She said oh I am just having a lot of pain sometimes it hits peek points I have to grit my teeth and take deep breaths to get through those moments. She said sorry it must be annoying on your end for me to say just a moment so much. I went oh no you are fine. I thought God she has compassion, love, forgiveness, and care in the middle of her difficults how can I ever complain about my troubles.

Don and Ange I noticed you claim her as a sister. I hope that you realize you have a treasure and a blessing from God with that girl in your lives. She is an angel sent from above in human form with such a humble heart filled with love and compassion. Please always defend and protect her from people that might want to speak against her or use what she says to say hurtful things about her. She so deserves protection after all she has been through no matter how strong she gets.

Growing –up Julie step in to defend and protect many, suffering the pain on others behalves it is nice to finally see someone care about her now.
Anyone that would ever want to say she is out for attention, pity, selfishness, or looking to take center-stage needs to stop look at her comments and her life it shows that those words do not show the character of Julie.

I am not much for writing online but I just wanted to stop in and share this about the one you claim as family and make sure you know what God has given you.

Anonymous said...

Dear Julie this is just getting worse!
These so call preachers who taught that preachers shouldn't counsel without their wives present! Makes me cringe!
Not to make light of things but as you entered the lodge, there were clowns to the left of you and jokers to the right!
That song just fits so right to what you experienced!

Allie said...

I too want to share the heart of Julie. I contacted her as I planned to leave NTCC except for letting her know we had made it out I haven’t really talked much to her. I contacted her the other day not knowing who else to ask to pray for me. I told her things were tight and I really needed to figure some food until pay day. I asked if she would pray. She prayed including saying God direct someone to help this family out. We ended our conversation that morning.

That evening she contacted me. She told me to look in my in-box of my e-mail she had sent me a message. I went there and found a gift card for my local grocery store. I started crying. I said wait you can’t afford this and didn’t you pray for God to direct someone to help me. She said well sometimes God just wants me to pray for someone sometimes God wants me to act. She said God wanted me to act in this one. She told me she trade with someone a few gift codes for this gift card. God had come through. It was so hard to receive but Julie shared something that really helped me.

Julie said NTCC has taught give give give but never receiving. I said what about the scripture it is more blessed to give then receive. She said okay let’s look at this. She said so if God only wants us to give even speaks of us taking care of those close to us in the family of God. Who does he want us to give to the cows the horses or maybe it is the little piggies. She said to give someone has got to receive. She said God doesn’t give to just one person and if he is our example why would he want us to only give to one person. She said God has a big job in shedding our NTCC way of thinking. It is easy to worry in receiving we may seem greedy or get into the receiving like the leaders but just the fact we are concerned about this, God shows us this proves we would never be as the leaders for our hearts are not into taking from others. Sometimes God will really pour blessings on someone to prove to them how much he loves to give to his children and shed the fear that they will appear as NTCC leaders. She said Just like friendship giving and receiving is a two-way street just understand your giving may not appear as what you receiving because each one has different ways to give and each one has different needs to receive. She said I pray to see what God would have me do in each person’s life. She said if I give when he wouldn’t have me give; a few things can happen one I might lack, two I might not have what is needed for who God would have me give to, and three I might rob someone else the blessing of giving to this person.

I am so blown away with the wisdom Julie has learned. I know she has had to get over NTCC thinking and like she said there are still many things she still has NTCC thinking in but God is patiently working and directing her life.

Anon 50 said...

Julie how do you live beyond this? Can you forget this or are you reminded of what you have gone through in the past?
I am so grieved over this.

Anonymous said...

So I got out at a good time before my kids where at point where they could be abused? Thank you for sharing I am now at peace with what I decided.

Anonymous said...

Wow Julie each article you write about your life is driving the point I need to get out of this place even if it is scary to go have to figure life all over again. Please pray for me. I am a single guy and an associate pastor or worker as they call me. This is more scary then leaving home to join the military. I know it sounds weak but I am scared.

Don and Ange said...

Anonymous said,

Dear Julie this is just getting worse!
These so call preachers who taught that preachers shouldn't counsel without their wives present! Makes me cringe!
Not to make light of things but as you entered the lodge, there were clowns to the left of you and jokers to the right!
That song just fits so right to what you experienced!


DNA say,

Anon we too were thinking of pointing out what hypocrites these guys are for telling other people never to be alone with a woman, yet they are reportedly not only alone with a woman or girl, but they also allegedly rape and molest the woman or girl! davis' body is dead, but right we are sure God is reminding his spirit of all the many sins he claimed he could not remember like raping, groping and kissing little girls when he thought nobody was looking.

On a lighter note, we've always liked that song, since it has a catchy tune. However, we feel it is not a good fit here; it does indeed feel like you are making light of a very dark situation. However, you state that was not your intent. As only God truly knows, we have published the comment in good faith, with the prayer that such would do no harm.

Don and Ange said...

Allie,

Thank you for your comment. That too will become part of this blog post.

We are sorry to learn of your struggling during this time of adjustment, and pray that God will calm those storms. Our e-mail is on our profiles (just click our name) if you need something, please let us know. <3

Please remember: God loves YOU and His Love is UNCONDITIONAL. :o)

Ugly Dirty One said...

As I have followed Julie's life story though I don't know her I have come to appreciate her willingness to speak. I was abused before NTCC. I was raped as an adult all these years I thought it was my fault. I tried to get help from my pastor after coming to NTCC but all he did is mock me and insult me so I went into silence though it helped a little to read what happened to her as a kid it helped more reading what happened to her as an adult. Reading this new article has me weeping knowing I am not the only one that was grabbed in front of another with no one willing to help me. I have turned to different ones in NTCC over the years yet no one seemed to care of my struggle. When raped you never forget what has happen it follows you in life.

Thank you Julie for writing. I know it is against NTCC but I have sign up for counseling hoping it will help my heart to heal. Pray that I can have the courage to leave it is hard. I know it sounds crazy but it is scary.

I am choosing a screen name of how I feel.

Allie said...

Thank you for letting me know I can contact you. I really don't know Julie well but in talking with her she seems to have such a heart of gold. She just in gulfs me with love and she is so humble this shocks me. You don't see that much from NTCC. Julie has love like I have never seen in my whole life.

Anonymous said...

This is just crazy to be abused your whole life. It must be hard to live now with all this behind you.

Anonymous said...

This posts are so important. I can't believe Julie you have the guts to share.

Julie said...

Anonymous said...
These so call preachers who taught that preachers shouldn't counsel without their wives present! Makes me cringe!
Not to make light of things but as you entered the lodge, there were clowns to the left of you and jokers to the right!
That song just fits so right to what you experienced!

Though I get your point with some of the song I would have been very hurt to have had this as part of the post.

This being said I understand how a victim and a none victim see or deal with a evil situation will be different. I believe it may be your way of trying to digest what has happened to me. I do appreciate that you hate the double-standards and trying to add a song from your point of view was fitting.

I love to joke. There are moments where joking is what makes me not loose my mind over what has happen. Just remember this is still a deep wound to my heart so please don't hold the salt shaker upside down over it too often.

Thanks for commenting.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...

Anonymous said...
Wow Julie each article you write about your life is driving the point I need to get out of this place even if it is scary to go have to figure life all over again. Please pray for me

I am so thrilled that you are thinking of stepping out into freedom. I totally understand your fear just know many have felt the same way. Know that you are in my prayers. God will help you and He loves you and will guide you.

Hugs,
Julie

Anonymous said...

I have seen Julie insulted and put down. I can't say I have ever heard someone say anything positive to her. I heard why do you have to be a retard a lot to her. She fell over things a lot. Her mother acted ashamed of her. She was so proud of her son it was her son can do this her son is the smartest and so on.

How did Julie turn out this way with such treatment? It is shocking!

Obstruction of Justice said...

the board members are cold and evil for allowing this to happen. how could they idly stand by when most of them had daughters themselves?

Anonymous said...

Julie I just you to want I read what you shared about grace. As I have read how you have offered forgive to the lady that wronged you; it made me wanted to have a relationship with God like you. I have been away from God for so long I wasn't sure God wanted but you made him so real so simple. You made the love of God more real than anyone I know. I am walking with God now. Thank you for caring about all of us out here. Today God is with me again.

Julie said...

Susie said...
I want to share what happened to me. I have been reading what is on the blog. Julie’s story have really got my attention.

Susie all of us need the grace and mercy of God. I am thankful for the unconditional love Of God none of us deserve it yet He gives it to all of us freely. I am happy that you have peace.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...

Allie I am glad God came through for you. I count it a humble privilege to be the deliverer of His blessing to your family. You can contact me anytime I am here for you. Know that Don and Ange really mean it when they say you can contact them too. They are a blessing to so many and they love with the unconditional love of God.

Hugs,
Julie

Hugs,
Julie

Anonymous said...

Sometimes I think that justice for Julie , Lisa, and the others that have suffered the indignities that the org has put them through is not gonna come in this life . Will have to wait for God who is just.
I cannot even imagine how Julie and the others can remain without being resentful toward Christianity.
Thank goodness they put blame toward the "monsters" because what they describe them doing only somebody without any love for souls would do.
Thanks Julie for taking the time to acknowledge everyone who posts something.
God bless

Anonymous said...

I believe everyone's stories are important but I feel Julie's has a special significant in speaking out.

Julie has grown up in this organization, she has had to deal with a disability, she has been around the leaders for long time periods, she has spent time with the leaders in all phases of life, she grew up with their kids knowing a lot about them, she was there for her parents to go to bible school, attending some classes with her parents, she has been thrown to babysitters,she was a pastor kid, she was a bible school teacher's kid, she has been a bible school student, she saw the crazy dating ways, she was a early bride, she was a pastor's wife, they tried to stop her from having a child, she was a mother in NTCC, and she has had to leave her children with babysitters that she didn't want to. There is probably some I missing. She has seen things most of us have never seen.

So when she speaks it makes people takes her seriously. I know there are the critics or the ones whose heart has a hard time taking it in but many take her words on every different thing she speaks very seriously.

Many of us in NTCC have been talking among ourselves since she stepped out. There are quite a few that are surprised of her being out there since it is talked as if Rev. and Sis. St. Clair don't have a daughter. To some they completely denied she was out there and to some they just never spoke of her. Some even thought she was dead and were surprised to find out she was alive. Some of us actually went looking her up to prove to ourselves who was telling the truth. It hurt to know I had been lied to all this time by them. Many would have never heard of her had Rev. Kekel not come out speaking hard against her.

No one has said anything but I worry they might hurt unless she takes down her posts. I hope I am wrong on that but they hate that she won't shut up or publicly apologize for speaking of private matters. Rev. Kekel says it is disrespectful to speak of private matters in a public form. The bible says if you have a problem with someone you are to go privately to them not go publicly this doesn't please the Lord and she will have to answer for the souls that will be lost.

Don and Ange said...

Rape is a crime, not a 'private matter.' Rape is a CRIME !!!!

Don and Ange said...

Julie will receive a huge REWARD in HEAVEN for BRINGING MANY SOULS TO CHRIST.

kekel will take his place next to davis and other child rapists.

Don and Ange said...

So kekel IS ADMITTING he did these things to Julie in Private? Well, well, well!!!

The bible says:

What I tell you in darkness, [that] speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, [that] preach ye upon the housetops. - Mat 10:27 KJV

Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops. [Luk 12:3 KJV]

Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. - Jhn 8:12 KJV

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. - Jhn 3:19 KJV

For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. - Jhn 3:20 KJV

But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. - Jhn 3:21 KJV

kekel doesn't want his evil deeds coming to light because they are evil. But if the very things that are said in darkness are broadcast from the roof tops, how much more will his wickedness come forth even as it is. His desire to hide his evil is just one more proof that Julie is telling the truth.

As for them trying to twist scripture to justify raping Julie and molesting children, it is just more proof that they guilty.

They are defiling God's Word by wresting it! It is written:

Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. - Mat 18:15 KJV
But if he will not hear [thee, then] take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. - Mat 18:16 KJV
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell [it] unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. - Mat 18:17 KJV


1) Tell a brother if he tresspasses against you.
2) If he won't listen to you, take two or three more witnesses.
3) Tell the church. If he won't listen, let him be as a heathen and publican!

First of all KEKEL IS ADMITTING SOMETHING HAPPENED!
Second of all KEKEL did not listen when Julie said NO!
Third, the tow or three witnesses allowed rape to happen.
Fourth, we are telling the church that the leaders are pedophiles who target children and rape them even when they are teen brides because these wicked men have no fear of God and feel they can get away with it by bullying people through twisted scriptures.

PULL YOUR HEADS OUT OF THE CLOUDS AND ASK GOD TO SHOW YOU WHAT HE WANTS YOU TO DO ABOUT THESE RAPISTS.

We guarantee you He will lead you OUT OF THE NTCC.

God does not want you following people who hurt women and children!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you really need a scripture verse to be twisted up to tell you what common sense already should be telling you?

kekel's deeds are evil. That's why he doesn't want them brought to light. Julie's deeds are consistent with the word of God. She has brought this matter to light so God can help you people who are deluded to wake up and get out of this filthy environment sin hiding behind the pulpit!

Don and Ange said...

No one has said anything but I worry they might hurt unless she takes down her posts.

And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. - Luk 12:4 KJV

Don and Ange said...

If anyone should be afraid, it is these monsters who hurt children; they are the ones who need to be afraid.

Don and Ange said...

You impenitent pedophiles better heed the bible warning:

But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him. - Luk 12:5 KJV

Chief said...

Anonymous wrote...

The bible says if you have a problem with someone you are to go privately to them not go publicly this doesn't please the Lord and she will have to answer for the souls that will be lost.

Chief wrote...

You must be kidding me!!! Are you serious??? You can't possibly be serious!!! What you wrote is typical cult control psychological manipulative garbage.

So Anonymous, I have a question. If Kekel were to "MURDER" someone and Julie had knowledge of it, should he to take it to the authorities or should she go to Kekel and discuss it with him "PRIVATELY". So if Kekel murders my son, (according to your logic) (and your textbook cult technique of twisting the scriptures to cover up and hide someones evil deeds)I'm not supposed to say a word, but rather go to Kekel in private and discuss the matter with him??? Are you serious??? If this isn't some kind of joke and you are actually serious, you are one of the most psychologically twisted deranged people walking on the face of this earth without exception.

Rape is being alleged here ANONYMOUS!!! By a so called church leader ANONYMOUS!!! Oh, so you are saying the boys who were molested and raped by Catholic priests should have kept their mouths shut and taken the matter to the accused priests privately??? Are you serious???

Souls "lost"??? The question is, what souls in the NTCC are even "found" because I certainly have serious doubts as to whether or not any fall in that category. I truly don't believe that any people in the NTCC are doing Gods will. Not even one. Going soul winning to bring people to that mess? Is that doing Gods will. Deceived is deceived; no more no less. Deceived does not equate to being "saved".

Luke 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived:

NTCC people are deceived and it's just that simple. The Lords will is not sending millions of dollars up to Graham so the Kekels can spend it anyway they want on the most extravagant luxuries that Tanya can dream up while the majority of the NTCC population lives below the poverty level.

You ain't leading souls to Christ in the NTCC. You are leading them to false prophets like Kekel, Olson and Ashmore and to false doctrines like it's a sin for a woman to have a job when scripture (keepers at home) clearly means to be a (good house keeper). Look it up. Souls will be lost??? Really? In the NTCC souls are already lost and not only that they are deceived misled and following false prophets on top of it. As long as you are in the NTCC and as long as you are inviting people to the NTCC, you are already lost and you are the blind leading the blind. Following people like Kekel, Ashmore and Olsen is the same as being lost and in fact it's even worse. You might as well follow the likes of Charles Manson, Jeffrey Dahmer, Adolf Hitler or Osama Bin Laden. You'd be no worse off. At least you wouldn't be deceived. If I was following Adolf Hitler (which I wouldn't) at least I'd know that Jews were in the cross hairs, not following Kekel and not knowing that want-to-be Christians are in the cross hairs.

Anonymous, if you were serious with that comment, you are one seriously misguided individual and I'm not saying that to insult you, it's a fact. Wake up and come back down to earth and get your cult thinking out of your head because you've been "SERIOUSLY" brainwashed. The real deal.

Pandering said...

Anonymous said

"Rev. Kekel says it is disrespectful to speak of private matters in a public form. The bible says if you have a problem with someone...


who was she supposed to go to? read the bible for yourself and see where she was supposed to go.

1 John 2:4
Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,


Don and Ange said...

Ugly Dirty One said...
As I have followed Julie's life story though I don't know her I have come to appreciate her willingness to speak. I was abused before NTCC. I was raped as an adult all these years I thought it was my fault. I tried to get help from my pastor after coming to NTCC but all he did is mock me and insult me so I went into silence though it helped a little to read what happened to her as a kid it helped more reading what happened to her as an adult. Reading this new article has me weeping knowing I am not the only one that was grabbed in front of another with no one willing to help me. I have turned to different ones in NTCC over the years yet no one seemed to care of my struggle. When raped you never forget what has happen it follows you in life.

Thank you Julie for writing. I know it is against NTCC but I have sign up for counseling hoping it will help my heart to heal. Pray that I can have the courage to leave it is hard. I know it sounds crazy but it is scary.

I am choosing a screen name of how I feel.

Tuesday, April 15, 2014 12:56:00 PM


DNA say,

Dear Beautiful Clean One,

We understand why you chose that name and even why it feels that way. You are not alone in your feelings. When one is violated that is a natural response, as are the ways of dealing with it like showering often, cringing around anyone like the attacker, despising all sex, even what is appropriate in the eyes of God, or blaming oneself and going overboard in the opposite direction by feeling unloved and assuming that the rapist was correct and so anyone else who wants to hurt us it's okay. But while those reactions are typical, and many people feel that way, we want you to know that the rapist was wrong.

Therefore we are renaming you; because God gives each of us a new name when we come to Him in our brokenness. When Jacob was in distress, he wrestled with the Angel and prevailed. You too have overcome and just like Jacob went from having a name of cheat to a name that means Prince- Israel, you too are getting a new name.


to be continued

Don and Ange said...

What happened to you was not your fault. We say that because many people try to blame the victim. Sometimes the one who was hurt even blames his or herself. But that is not correct. This bad thing happened to you. An ugly person (or persons) did you dirty. But that is not who you are.

You were an innocent victim. You survived it and made yourself a Survivor. You are supporting Julie and others who have suffered by sharing your story and helping them also realize that they were not alone. That makes you a Champion!

Now, the organization 'leaders' have proven themselves to be brute beasts who blame victims. These base fellows do nothing to support rape victims. They do nothing to condemn rapists. In our opinion it is because they do not want to condemn themselves.

Rape is a crime of violence in which the rapists gets sexual gratification by dominating another. That is sick and perverse and illegal.

If someone were attacked in an assault where they were punched or hit, people would talk about it and support the victim and help them heal. But for some dumb reason when a person is assaulted by rape, everyone wants to force the victim into silence. That makes no sense to us. The rape is often just as violent as a fight and the victim should get support and help healing.

We pray that God will comfort you and bring the right people into your life to help you continue to overcome this attack or attacks that have happened to you. You deserve to be happy and loved in a way that involves no pain and accepted without conditions or strings. You are worthy. Why do we say that? Because Christ judged you being worthy of Him dying in your place. He loved you so much that He hung on a cross so you could have eternal life and more abundant life. That is saying a lot about how much He thinks of each one of us. That is pure love. The bad people don't get to take that away from you. God loves you. And so do we. :o)

P.S. We held off on publishing this comment until we had enough time to sit down and answer it fully.

Don and Ange said...

Allie said,

Thank you for letting me know I can contact you. I really don't know Julie well but in talking with her she seems to have such a heart of gold. She just in gulfs me with love and she is so humble this shocks me. You don't see that much from NTCC. Julie has love like I have never seen in my whole life.


DNA say,

You are welcome Allie. Anyone else too who wants to can contact us via our e-mail address on our profiles. We agree with you Allie about Julie's love. She has the Love of God that is completely unconditional.

Don and Ange said...

Obstruction of Justice said,

the board members are cold and evil for allowing this to happen. how could they idly stand by when most of them had daughters themselves?


DNA say,

That makes us wonder if their daughters went through this stuff too. But even if those girls escaped the pervs, it is still wrong for their parents to sit back and do nothing. Just like they sit back and did nothing when davis railed on all those pregnant ladies, lying to them and telling them that they would have to answer to God for ruining their husband's ministry. What a huge lie of the devil, especially when davis adopted tanya in the Philippines and even worse when it is likely that she is his own biological daughter from an affair with a Filipino woman. But all those board members idly stood by and did nothing while they knew davis adopted tanya and while they all had daughters. They idly stood by and let you men go to the doctor for vasectomies. They idly stood by and collected the cash from you and got wealthy off of you and said nothing. They are guilty, guilty, guilty!

Don and Ange said...

Anonymous said...
Julie I just you to want I read what you shared about grace. As I have read how you have offered forgive to the lady that wronged you; it made me wanted to have a relationship with God like you. I have been away from God for so long I wasn't sure God wanted but you made him so real so simple. You made the love of God more real than anyone I know. I am walking with God now. Thank you for caring about all of us out here. Today God is with me again.

Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:16:00 PM


DNA say,

This comment makes us so happy! Thank you God for each one who comes back to you. Yay Jesus!! We will be putting this into the blog post too.

Don and Ange said...

Everyone,

We love getting comments and e-mail from you, and are doing our best to respond to each one. If your comment has not yet published, it may just be that we felt it was such an important topic that we wanted to address it as soon as it published. Of course, there are some who want to hurt the people who have already suffered, so that type of stuff will not be published. We did have a few comments that were questionable in that regard. Some made it on the blog. We do believe all things work together for good. And we will continue to do what we can to protect people who have already suffered things that never should have happened.

We just wanted to say, if you haven't heard back from us yet, it probably means that what you sent us was so important that we are waiting until we get more time to fully address it. :o)

Mentally Insane said...

The other day I saw a commercial where a pig was driving a fancy car, however, he still was a pig. You can dress a pig in a fancy suit and wingtip shoes, and he still will be a pig. So, don't listen to a pig driving a fancy car, and wearing wingtip shoes.

Julie said...

Anonymous said....Maybe you were having sex with women too or maybe you were having sex with Julie she just hasn't shared what you did yet. Were you more concerned about what your co-master RW would say if you stood up for Julie that day?

Keep watching the posts and you will get your answer by the time my NTCC life is done on the blog on these men sitting by doing nothing. I do believe they knew 100% what was happening to me including what Davis and Raplh St. Clair were as well as had done to me.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...

Anon 50 said...
Julie how do you live beyond this? Can you forget this or are you reminded of what you have gone through in the past?
I am so grieved over this.

How I live and survive? That can comes in one word. GOD!!! I couldn't make it without God. The wound of the heart is better yet it is still very deep. No I don't forget what happened. I am reminded of it all the time. My physical body reminds me of it daily and I must go to God for strength to make it through. I appreciate your concern.

One thing I can say is God is forever faithful to me through it all.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
So I got out at a good time before my kids where at point where they could be abused? Thank you for sharing I am now at peace with what I decided.

Thank you Lord! This thrills my heart that you got out and that your precious children have been spared what I had to suffer. Live in the peace and joy of the Lord.

Hugs,
Julie

Anonymous said...

To the anon who wrote " many of us in the ntcc have been talking among ourselves"
I'm glad there's people finally waking up to the fact that we have been all punked by the org.
Blaming Julie for the souls that are gonna be lost is just too much. This is like blaming Julie for being raped and sodomized!
No wonder people came from conference like zombies!

Maurice/mentally insane said...

Anonymous, If you would learn to think outside the box, instead of agreeing to or going alone with kekel, you will get a clearer view or vision of just what this organization is all about. You cannot apply scripture do a bunch who does not live scripture. Open your eyes and think outside the box. I also agree with chief 100% Paul, was talking about saved born again christian belivers who had problems with each others. However when a crime have been committed law enforcement got to be brought in. As Chief said if someone is murdered, you don't go to the murderer and say can we talk about it. No, you call the cops and let the cops talk to them.

Straitjacket said...

Anonymous said

"No one has said anything but I worry they might hurt unless she takes down her posts."

they are hurting for selfish reasons.God is taking them up on their promise to serve Him. God has drawn a line:serve Me or serve man? deciding to choose right may turn your world inside out, and it is terrifying! joseph and daniel lived a privileged life, then God called them to a test of their faith. read and reflect on the prophets example.

Anonymous said...

Rev. Kekel says it is disrespectful to speak of private matters in a public form. The bible says if you have a problem with someone you are to go privately to them not go publicly this doesn't please the Lord and she will have to answer for the souls that will be lost.

They spoke out our private matters too - publicly! But when it comes to them, all is different!

Hidden Secrets said...

Hidden Secrets post has been getting comments too. Use the link above or copy and paste this address into your URL bar:

http://ntccxerblog.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-hidden-secrets-of-ntcc-part-4-of-i.html?showComment=1396478060000#c6353343178871992293

Don and Ange said...

Anonymous said,

"They spoke out our private matters too - publicly! But when it comes to them, all is different!"

DNA say,

That's right. Hypocrites want a different set of rules to live and play by. You know that makes them double-standard hypocrites. Two sets of rules. What they are really saying is,

We hypocrite church leaders do whatever we want, whenever we want, to whomever we want (including raping kids) but,

You dumb "strong backs with weak minds" just shut up and do what we tell you.

Don't get mad at us. They are the ones who say it and you live it.

Don and Ange said...

Anonymous said...
So I got out at a good time before my kids where at point where they could be abused? Thank you for sharing I am now at peace with what I decided.

Tuesday, April 15, 2014 12:20:00 PM


DNA Say,

Good job, Anonymous. God delivered you. That's awesome!

Anon a mouse said...

An Anonymous said: "Many of us in NTCC have been talking among ourselves since she stepped out.....Many would have never heard of her had Rev. Kekel not come out speaking hard against her.

Anon a mouse says:
Thank you Julie for this next chapter. People are talking among themselves about it, that is truly awesome. The fact that kekel himself was the cause for folks to go looking at what he was bathering about is just sweet.
I realize there is still more chapters to come. My prayers continue for you, the blogs, the awakening of the sheep, and those who are coming forward to support your life and those with their own accounts of abuse. Praise God for revival!

Don and Ange said...

Anon a mouse said,

... "the awakening of the sheep, and those who are coming forward to support your life and those with their own accounts of abuse. Praise God for revival!"


Don and Ange say,

Now that is a TRUE REVIVAL! Thanks too for the prayers Anon a mouse. That means a lot to us. Hugs. :o)

Anonymous said...

So you are the girl that Rev. Kekel has been speaking about. He has been saying some ugly things about you. He says you like to try to cause division in marriages. He says you would rather steal other people's husbands then try to hold on to your own. You will have to stand before God and answer for your sin.

I too would have never heard of you or known to look on this blog had he not spent so much time speaking against you.

With everything that has happened to you, having no family, and what you deal with now in all this, it has got to be hard being you.

I left NTCC yesterday because you cared enough to speak out about the truth. I pray for you and hope you keep speaking until all hear what has happened in this place people call a church organization.

Maurice said...

Wow, Julie so sad. Heck, before this story is complete, I may have to add even more screen names to my original screen name. Disappointed, Mentally Unstable, Maurice, befriended Julie. 1Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin with us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God. Julie please please keep fighting, keep speaking out, don't stop don't rest. Kekel, Davis, the st. clairs and others was not obeying God, was not doing the will of God when they abused you. Much Love in Christ.

Maurice said...

PS. Julie I read your story everyday.

Julie said...

DNA said....

we want everyone to remember, it is Jesus Who died for us to set us free. He deserves all the praise and glory. Love you Lord!

Amen and Amen!!! All praise and glory goes to the Lord.

He cared so much about us He put His care in action by giving His life for us. Thank you Lord for loving us even when we couldn't love ourselves. Now may we share Your love with others.

Hugs,
Julie

Chief said...

Maurice said...

Kekel, Davis, the st. clairs and others was not obeying God, was not doing the will of God when they abused you.

Chief said...

They've never done the will of God. I'm convinced. It's always been about themselves, sex and money. Davis wasn't obeying God when he was having sex with other women, (other than his wife) and making church all about accumulating property and more money. That's all it's ever been about with RWD the crook. There are plenty of stories about RWD doing basically the same things as Kekel. Going to women's houses to have sex with them and such. He did it with Pam Norton. This has been a common practice with Davis and Kekel. And the other enablers like Olson, Kinson and Ashmore stay tight lipped as long as they get paid. Kinson got caught coming out of a whore house. These guys are all hypocrites and they've taught false doctrine all along to suit their greedy desires and their need to have control over others. They are all a bunch of chippy cheat swindlers and hucksters.

Chief

Anonymous said...

Thank you Julie for sharing Jesus. I came to the God in you now I have him in my heart too. My husband who was never in the group witnessed the changed in me wanted to know after walking away from that group how I could want God im my life? I shared what I read on the blog. I said this girl Julie showed me the real Jesus it made me want him like her. My husband asked Jesus into his heart. Some of my friends are noticing I am different I have been able to share with them about Jesus in me.
Julie you point Jesus you dont make yourself the center of attention when I look at you Jesus shines so brightly in you that is all I see. Thank you God for showing me Jesus through a broken crippled girl willing to carrying Jesus to the world. Thanks to all that keep this going

Don and Ange said...

If you are reading this it should be a wake up call. Some of you are trying to find excuses to hang around and stay in what you have to know by now is a cult. Your church has long been dead; and it is being led by Zombies. The best thing you can do now is wake up and realize what many have already acknowledged.

Welcome to real life. We've had to make the same decisions that you are now faced with; and while it's not easy, instead of looking at us like devils, and continuing to give your money to a bunch of reprobates like Kekel, you need to wake up. It's hard to realize that you have wasted a large portion of your life in a cult, but do you want to know what is harder than that? Continuing to spend the rest of your life in the same cult. The longer you stay the harder it gets and the more dead and hopeless you become.

Ronnie said...

Rev. Kekel says Julie is a very greedy individual that like to take from others. She begs people for money. That she has went onto the street to beg since she is lazy.

I have a question for either Don or Ange. Would you say Julie has ever been a greedy person including while in NTCC? I don't know her at all; only know her brother, his wife, their son, and her parents. Even nice people have been known to be greedy so I have wondered if Julie has ever had such a moment?

Stripes said...

Anonymous wrote:
"He says you like to cause division in marriages. He says you would rather steal other people's husbands, then try to hold on to your own."

He has a strange way of not trying to sound guilty. Did he name any of the husbands? It is only fair since he put Julie's name out. She supposed to be so called feebled minded, yet she is cunning enough to steal a platoon of husbands.

Don and Ange said...

Ronnie said,

"Rev. Kekel says Julie is a very greedy individual that like to take from others. She begs people for money. That she has went onto the street to beg since she is lazy. I have a question for either Don or Ange. Would you say Julie has ever been a greedy person including while in NTCC? I don't know her at all; only know her brother, his wife, their son, and her parents. Even nice people have been known to be greedy so I have wondered if Julie has ever had such a moment?"


DNA say,

We have never known Julie to be greedy or unkind. It is just the opposite. Julie has always been extremely generous, giving when we think she should not, kind to all at all times. Her life continues to amaze us every day as she demonstrates Christ's love in words and actions.

Now, who is greedy? Isn't it kekel, who has multiple mansions and homes built for him? Isn't kekel greedy for amassing more and more real estate rental properties? Has kekel ever helped a single soul who was in need of a place to sleep or live?

Isn't it kekel who has expensive collections of rare musical instruments, luxury cars, recreational vehicles and so on?

Yet the bible records that Jesus had not where to lay his head. Naught. Nothing. Nowhere to lay His head. That kinda sounds like homelessness to us.

[Mat 8:20 KJV] 20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air [have] nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay [his] head.

[Luk 9:58 KJV] 58 And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air [have] nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay [his] head.


to be continued

Don and Ange said...

continued:

Didn't Jesus send the disciples two by two with no money and only one coat and tell them to stay where they landed? To not go from house to house. He was instructing them to accept the blessing of staying with someone else. Were they begging? No money. No food. Nowhere to live. One coat only. Would kekel call them beggars and lazy and greedy?

Mark 6:7-13; Luke 9:1-6; Matt 10:5-15

What about Lazarus who was laid daily at the rich man's gate and begged for the crumbs that fell from the rich man's table while he ate like a king (fared sumptuously)? According to kekel's words against Julie, this man Lazarus would also be targeted by kekel as being "lazy" for "begging" while being "homeless"... Ahem!

But God sent angels to carry Lazarus to heaven when he died.

The rich man died also, and was buried. -- How sad. No angel escort for him.

Lazarus went to Abraham's bosom.

The rich man went to hell.

The tables were turned.

The rich man was begging. He was begging for Abraham to send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in the water to cool the rich man's tongue; because he was tormented in the flames!

Luke 16:19-31

kekel has no idea how messed up he is! He is in real danger of hell-fire for his messed up way of teaching and thinking and acting!

This is no joke folks.

Please read your bible and ask God to help you understand what His Word MEANS. Don't listen to the doctrine of devils being spewed from the ntcc pulpit in Graham, Wa by the likes of kekel. His words and actions do not line up with the godly example that Jesus set for us and shows us in His Word.

That is the only thing that matters! Read His Word. Know what it says! Understand and THINK FOR YOURSELF. Don't just hear men's words. Do what God commands: Be a fruit inspector.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, [Gal 5:22 KJV]

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. [Gal 5:23-24 KJV]


Can you see the fruit of the Holy Spirit in Julie's life? Can you see love, and joy, and peace?

We see all these fruits of the Spirit in Julie's life and actions and words.

What do you see in kekel's actions and life and words? Hate and anger and clamoring.

The Word of God is pure. His Word will instruct you if you allow Him. Will you receive it?


Anonymous said...

I fear the story will get worse!
DnA wrote that we have only read one third of what Julie sent to them.
But very interesting what mck is telling the audience there in graham.
I recall when the st Claire's came into town they slept at this couple's small apt.
How can kekel not open his beautiful and expansive home and let this elderly couple stay in their guest room! They've been around since forever and those things that we were taught about not having people over because of over familiarity and all that nonsense doesn't apply here.
When the story of Julie broke the kekels right away tucked tail and ran to give a fellowship somewhere which was convenient enough.

Anonymous said...

Kekel says Don and Ange should be careful or their marriage will be the next one Julie will go after because she cant just be happy for others. He referred to Julie by some nasty names.

Anonymous said...

Yes I also have heard Rev. Kekel say Julie is greedy. Wow Don and Ange you make some valid points.Really something to think about.

Anon a mouse said...

One thought a I forgot to add about the point of Julie shouldn't be saying private matters in public. When I first joined the group my first "pastor" tore someone apart in church and it was my first time witnessing something like that happen. Apparently he noticed the shock on my face and later asked me about it. I didn't say anything because he scared me after hearing him do that to someone. He used the following scripture to justify it.
Pro 27:5

Open rebuke is better than secret love.

So, I guess this is rebuke for kekel. God says this is better, and I agree.

Anonymous said...

Ronnie wrote:

"Rev. Kekel says Julie is a very greedy individual that like to take from others. She begs people for money. That she has went onto the street to beg since she is lazy."

that is a very cruel statement. goes to show what he thinks of those who are barely making ends meet.

Anonymous said...

Ronnie wrote...

Rev. Kekel says Julie is a very greedy individual that like to take from others.

Chief said...

It doesn't matter whether Julie was, is, or ever has been greedy or not. That would have no relevance whatsoever to this story. To even bring it up serves no other purpose than to deflect attention away from the facts at hand. And let me say something else while I'm at it.

It wouldn't matter if Julie gave Kekel sex willingly. I'm not saying thats what she did but I'm making a point here. The fact is, Julie has testified about Kekel having sexual intercourse with her, bottom line end of story. Kekel is a dirty low down right conniving double standard hypocrite whether Julie gave it to him consensually or he took it against her will. It doesn't matter if she is, was, or has been greedy. What matters is, Kekel can't be trusted and the people in the NTCC are being used and taken advantage of. You can't believe a word Kekel says and you can't trust his motives. I wouldn't let that scoundrel lead me to a trash can if I was trying to dump of a bucket of old rotten smelly chicken bones. He couldn't lead me to a toilet if I had diarrhea shooting out my butt like a water canon.

So with those facts in mind, why on Gods green earth would you trust Kekel or any of his other cronies with the task of guiding your soul to heaven? With all this knowledge you'd have to be a complete dummy to trust any of these NTCC leaders. And you are just going to blindly give them your money??? ARE YOU SERIOUS??? Do you have a brain or did you lose that also when you supposedly got "saved" in the NTCC? You definitely lost your good sense, that's for sure. I know because when I was in the NTCC I had most certainly lost mine!!!! Most of the time ignoring the obvious. They convinced us and brainwashed us into believing the Devil was talking to us anytime we allowed our brains to question those dirty rotten crooks.

Rather than give your money to those NTCC crooks, you might just as well give your money to the Devil with a capital "D" because the Devil gets more respect than kekel, olson, ashmore or kinson or any of the rest of those conniving double standard NTCC crooks. All kekel wants is your money and to have control over you. You don't otherwise mean a thing to him or his spoiled wife.

They are no more than Chippy Cheating Swindlers and Hucksters.

Can I get an Amen??? And the church said....

Chief

Anonymous said...

Chief wrote:
" Kekel is a dirty low down right conniving double standard hypocrite whether Julie gave it to him consensually or he took it against her will."

he is a hypocrite! however, the difference between the alleged rape and consensual relations is the component of violence.

Anonymous wrote:

"I recall when the st Claire's came into town they slept at this couple's small apt."

guess kekel had to draw the line somewhere. did this couple know about the st. clair's sorrid past?

Anonymous wrote:
"When the story of Julie broke the kekels right away tucked tail and ran to give a fellowship somewhere which was convenient enough."

could someone elaborate on the meaning of this statement.

Anonymous said...

Mike stated that he is the product of his mother being raped. Hence, the apple did not fall from the tree. Of course, Salvation should have taken care of that.

Tami said...

With everything that has happened to you Julie are you content in life or do you find it hard?

Don and Ange said...

"Salvation should have taken care of that." is right!!!


Wow! So mike kekel is tying to blame his raping Julie first if all on Juloe. Now he is blaming his mom for getting raped or blaming the man who raped her for making him the rapist he is today? That's no excuse.

Babaric barbara norton beat Lisa; but Lisa doesn't beat her daughter.

Joan and ralph beat and sexually assaulted Julie, but people have testified what a caring gentle mother she was even as a teen mom.

Buy kekel wants to play a sympathy card of don't blame me, I've got the "bad seed" from my rapist father... No. No excuse. Wow!

In reality kekel has just publicly admitted he is a rapist.

Shawn said...

Julie would you ever want to be married again? How are you right now dealing with what has happened to you?

What has happened is both shocking and horrible. Mike Kekel has no right to be a leader. I hope more people wake up. Your story as well as Lisa, Pam, and Lori's woke us to how stupid we were being and we now live in smart land. Thanks to all of you.

Don and Ange said...

We published some comments that have questions in good faith that hopefully you are asking in innocent curiosity. However, we want people to understand, especially Julie, that she does not have to feel obligated to answer anyone's questions. Let's face it, some of what you are asking is very personal. SInce we aren't sure why you are asking, we posted the comment. But Julie does not have to answer anything if she is not comfortable talking about it. It's really not anyone's business.

We will say this too:. These questions are mild compared to some of the lewd things people send us in the comments. There are some deeply disturbed individuals in the world. They seem to flock to the ntcc and support the ntcc leadership in the most base ways saying unimaginable things all in the name of the Lord. Well, whatever. The bible says what is the chaff to the wheat? God will sort things out in time and gather the wheat and burn up the chaff. We feel fine with our trust in His finished work in our lives. What those others are trusting in is a mystery to us. We can only share what we know; what they do with it is up to them.

Don and Ange said...

Anonymous said,

Mike stated that he is the product of his mother being raped. Hence, the apple did not fall from the tree. ..."


DNA say

To us it's like mike kekel is saying,

It's not my fault I'm a rapist, it is my daddy-the-rapist's fault!

So what does that mean mike? Is your son grant kekel going to be a rapist too now? Since his daddy mike kekel and grandpappy rodger wilson davis are both rapists. I wouldn't want grant kekel around me or my kids!!!! Wow!

Barb said...

Julie when I feel weary, pain, or anger at the troubles in life all I have to do is think of you and life seems like a breeze. We say in our house if Julie can do it who are we to say it is impossible in our world.

Our family is closer in the past few months because of you. I hope God one day will take some of the difficult and pain you have away. I don't know that I would have the strength to be you.

Mike Kekel doesn't deserve what he has in life.

Don and Ange said...

You get the sense that kekel is just drowning in the quicksand of his own lies here. We mean, first it was Julie was "stupid" "ugly" "retard" "freak" and "feeble minded" to the point that "no man would ever want her". Now she is supposedly some temptress who steals husbands?

The trouble with liars is that they can't make up their minds which side of the mouth to do the talking from. They are double-minded and as such are unstable in all their ways.

Who knew that we would live to see the day when mike kekel would try to play the sympathy card that it's not his fault he is a rapist, it's the fault of the man who spawned him when he raped his mom?

What? We've seen it all now. Well, at least until the next time that kekel opens his pie-hole. Whew! Wow. Unbelievable!

Don and Ange said...

We're still flabbergasted by what kekel is saying as a defense. It's not his fault he's a rapist? He is the product of the man who raped his mom? What? Why doesn't mike just get saved then? Wow!

Smithy said...

Yeah Rev. Kekel did say he was a product of rape. I was amazed he admitted that with what Julie is accusing him of doing.
He said at another time she was willing to give him life even though he had not come in a way she wanted. He also said That God used a bad situation to fill his plan of raising up a leader for the organization God created.

Julie said...

Clean Beautiful One (as Don and Ange have renamed you)

When raped you never forget what has happen it follows you in life.

Thank you Julie for writing. I know it is against NTCC but I have sign up for counseling hoping it will help my heart to heal. Pray that I can have the courage to leave it is hard. I know it sounds crazy but it is scary.

I agree you deserve the name Beautiful Clean One. I totally understand how you feel. I hope you read what Don and Ange have wrote taking it to heart because what they shared with you is the total truly.

I want to thank you for writing because it has blessed my heart and I hope it has blessed you as well in sharing. You did not deserve what happened and it was wrong how you were treated by those you asked for help. I pray you will leave because there is hope healing and life waiting for you outside of NTCC. Know that you are loved by God and you have people here that care and are praying for you.

Hugs,
Julie

Anonymous said...

There a people out in this world who are the product of rape, but they lead an orderly life and don't do the same thing to other people.

Anonymous said...

He said at another time she was willing to give him life even though he had not come in a way she wanted. He also said That God used a bad situation to fill his plan of raising up a leader for the organization God created.

What a stupid comment Kekel - do you read that in the Bible, is that in line with biblical teaching???
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Jeremiah 17,9


Anonymous said...

All I can say is for mck to follow his own advice and to
"Quit like a man" and to stop using the pulpit to talk about private and personal things!
For shame, bro kekel!

Don and Ange said...

That's all that pulpit has ever been used for - to talk about private and personal things!

Anonymous said...

I too heard Rev kekel speak horribly of Julie. It was thr worse I have even heard. My wife and I left the bible school to hear a lady spoke of in such a nasty manner we were shocked. This shoudnt have happened.

Anonymous said...

It is really sad to hear about something like this happening within a church, where someone is kept a prisoner and mentally and physically abused for so many years. I know that for Washington that the statute of limitations may have passed but not for Missouri. Hopefully this can be pursued and the truth be made known so that no one else has to endure this type of wickedness.

https://www.rainn.org/public-policy/legal-resources/missouri/statutes-of-limitations

https://www.rainn.org/public-policy/legal-resources/washington/statutes-of-limitations

Don and Ange said...

If you've just left NTCC Lisa Norton said she will be praying especially for you to find your healing. We too will be praying for that and more.

Anonymous said...

i am extremely grieved at NTCC violating Julie's and other the ladies civil rights . i have interviewed many clients who where sexually abused or raped, and her story sounds just like theirs. julie's account doesn't sound coached ,coerced or attention getting.

Sarah said...

This weekend we should count our blessings even Julie does that and she is the one that M. Kekel messed over.

Sam said...

This will be our first weekend away from NTCC. We have struggled yet enjoyed this week. My wife has seen me at the dinner table more then she has in a few years. Before it was work then the work of God always having to heat up my dinner after church or soul-winning. It is different eating so early. Don and Ange you probably think ill of us for now we want to just read and pray at home together not go to church. We just want us and God. We been doing this all week long and it has been incredible and a blessing to our souls.

Julie thank you! You gave me the wake-up call my wife had been praying to God about. My wife has walking with God not willing to be like other pastor's wives she has seen even been called out for it. I was so blind I thought she was wrong but now I realize when she keep saying this place isn't follow God she spoke the truth.

Julie said...

Obstruction of Justice said...
the board members are cold and evil for allowing this to happen.

They are all just a pack of wolves helping each other caring about know one else but what can they get out of the people in NTCC.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Julie I just you to want I read what you shared about grace. As I have read how you have offered forgive to the lady that wronged you; it made me wanted to have a relationship with God like you. I have been away from God for so long I wasn't sure God wanted but you made him so real so simple. You made the love of God more real than anyone I know. I am walking with God now. Thank you for caring about all of us out here. Today God is with me again.

Thank you Jesus! Only God can work like this in people's lives. Know that you have many people praying for you so many.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...

I cannot even imagine how Julie and the others can remain without being resentful toward Christianity..............Thanks Julie for taking the time to acknowledge everyone who posts something.
God bless.

Oh know I didn't turn to God right way. In fact I didn't have a relationship or even God in my heart until after NTCC. I had a lot of anger and bitterness for a very long time but God has turned my life around like only He could. What God has done in my life in the past year is amazing. I am thankful for the prayers of many. I am thankful for the blog and the many people that have step out with encouragement and support. The journey of healing isn't over for it takes a longtime to work through the mess. There are scars that will never go away but my prayer is that those scars be used that others may know God as I have been privileged to know.

I am thankful for those that have been willing to love me as I am not shoving what they think I need to be down my throat. I didn't understand God's love until I saw it displayed in the lives of Don and Ange. I am glad it didn't stop there. Many of you have stepped out commenting on this blog letting me know you care to and spreading the love of God around. Even one positive sentence put on this blog is music to my heart.

May Jesus be praised in all of our lives. He is the one that turns ashes into beauty. God in us is the hope to others.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...

Thanks Julie for taking the time to acknowledge everyone who posts something.
God bless

I appreciate each one and I want to make sure everyone knows their voice is important here.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...

Chief said.....

Luke 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived:

NTCC people are deceived and it's just that simple. The Lords will is not sending millions of dollars up to Graham so the Kekels can spend it anyway they want on the most extravagant luxuries that Tanya can dream up while the majority of the NTCC population lives below the poverty level.

Chief you are so correct they are truly deceived. God doesn't want people sending all their money to people so that their families can't even have the basics of life. People need to wake-up use the mind they have been given to see the insanity of it all.

I really appreciate you commenting.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...

Pandering said....

who was she supposed to go to?


It would have been nice to know what the police's job was back then but of course they couldn't educate me on that it might have backfired on them. I lacked so much basic knowledge back then. I think they thought they could keep me ignorant for life.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...

Anonymous Mentally Insane said...

The other day I saw a commercial where a pig was driving a fancy car, however, he still was a pig. You can dress a pig in a fancy suit and wingtip shoes, and he still will be a pig. So, don't listen to a pig driving a fancy car, and wearing wingtip shoes.

True! You can dress things up anyway you want to but it doesn't change what it is.

Rape is still rape no matter how it is described.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...

Anonymous said.....

I'm glad there's people finally waking up to the fact that we have been all punked by the org.

Blaming Julie for the souls that are gonna be lost is just too much. This is like blaming Julie for being raped and sodomized!

I am too glad that people are waking up to really they are in the wrong place.

Oh blaming Julie that is the same thing they have been doing all my life. I was always their escape goat what they thought was their way out for everything. It was like why take responsibility when we can blame Julie for our acts and sins.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...

Maurice/mentally insane said...

Anonymous, If you would learn to think outside the box, instead of agreeing to or going alone with kekel, you will get a clearer view or vision of just what this organization is all about. You cannot apply scripture do a bunch who does not live scripture. Open your eyes and think outside the box.

Yes people really do end to step and think. They are following people that are "Do as I say not as I do" type of individuals.

People if you believe in following the bible why do you follow people that don't follow it in their own lives. Show me in the bible where it excuses your leaders from doing what it says.

Maurice thanks as always for commenting and supporting.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...

Straitjacket said...

God has drawn a line:serve Me or serve man?

NTCC wants people to serve man not God yet there are good Christians that are trying to do both in NTCC. The bible clearly states we can not do this.

No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. Matthew 6:24

People need to choose whether to serve God or the leaders of NTCC because they are not on the same path.

Hugs,
Julie

Don and Ange said...

Dear Sam and Fam,

We are so happy for you to have made "The Great Escape"!!! We certainly DO NOT think ill of you for wanting to just read and pray at home together.
One thing we know, the church is Christ's body. He said,

For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. - Mat 18:20 KJV

And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me. - Jhn 12:32 KJV

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. - Mat 16:18 KJV


When you gather in His name, He is there. When He is lifted up, He draws all to Himself. He WILL build HIS CHURCH. The gates of hell will not prevail.

People have a saying that we love, "BE THE CHURCH". We love it because it puts the focus back on Christ. We are to be members of His body; (which is the church):

Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. - 1 Cor 12:27 KJV

We are His body, His members like the hands that reach out to the homeless, the heart that breaks for the abused, the voice that shares what He has done for us, how that by His stripes we are healed (1 Peter 2:24 here, Isa 53:5 here).


to be continued ...

Don and Ange said...

...continued

When leaving a controlling cult like ntcc, it is a good idea to take time and enjoy your RELATIONSHIP with Christ. When looking at other churches, pray so that you do not allow the false ntcc doctrine to cause you to be too critical. Visit different groups and look for people who live like the Bible example set forth by Christ.
** Do the leaders serve other people?
** Is there unconditional love that abides even when people are sinning?
** Is the church a place of healing?
** Are there controls?
** Or is there the liberty found where there is the Spirit of Christ?

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty. - 2Co 3:17 KJV

Be a fruit inspector.
Don't be too quick to commit to only one group.
Find out first what they are really like.
Maintain your liberty in Christ to visit other churches.
Believe us, normal and healthy churches do not resent or fear that. They embrace working together with other churches and even have a name for it:

Ecumenical: click here

ec·u·men·i·cal [ek-yoo-men-i-kuhl or, esp. British, ee-kyoo-]
adjective
1.
general; universal.
2.
pertaining to the whole Christian church.
3.
promoting or fostering Christian unity throughout the world.
4.
of or pertaining to a movement (ecumenical movement) especially among Protestant groups since the 1800s, aimed at achieving universal Christian unity and church union through international interdenominational organizations that cooperate on matters of mutual concern.
5.
inter-religious or interdenominational: an ecumenical marriage.


Love God first with all your heart, mind, strength. Love your neighbor as yourself. The rest will follow.

Don't worry about what we or anyone else thinks. Seek His face. Seek His approval. His is the vote that counts. :o) And we get the sense that you have His approval, based on what you wrote:

We just want us and God. We been doing this all week long and it has been incredible and a blessing to our souls.

The Bible records:

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
- Rom 8:14 KJV

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
- Rom 8:15 KJV

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
- Rom 8:16 KJV

Who [is] he that condemneth? [It is] Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
- Rom 8:34 KJV

Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, [then] have we confidence toward God.
- 1Jo 3:21 KJV

Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
- Gal 5:1 KJV


:o)

DNA

Don and Ange said...

Is kekel still there in the church as a CEO? Does ralph st. clair still have an ntcc minister's license? Does joan st. clair still babysit for people in the church?

Don't you people read your bibles?

When I attended the sorry excuse for a seminary, then called a "bible school" mikey kekel himself was TEACHING class from this portion of scripture:

1 It is reported commonly [that there is] fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. 3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, [concerning] him that hath so done this deed, 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. 6 Your glorying [is] not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? 7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened [bread] of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. - 1Co 5:1-13 KJV

Now you have ralph st. clair having sex with his daughter, joan st. clair having sex with her daughter, davis raping girls, kekel raping julie ...

What does the bible say?

SEE ABOVE

Loving God said...

My heart is so grieved by what I am reading about your life. I have got out and I have my family. In fact we are having a big family Easter get together. I have been able to put it all behind me but I didn't suffer what you suffered. I hope somehow you can have peace at this time in your life knowing that Christ died for you and rose again that you can have liberty in him.

I have never experienced your life so I will not even pretend to know how you feel or should feel. I just hope you know God loves you right now. He feels your struggles and pain you have today. I know you live for God but I also know with pain some days it can feel like the depression overcomes you. My prayers are with you.

Don and Ange said...

Now the million dollar question is, Where do these guys get the money from to spend on all these mansions, recreational vehicles, and that quarter of a million dollar Mercedes' McLaren SLR?

According to paperwork ntcc filed in 1993 [click here] the C/O (Chief Officer) Joseph H. Olson was compensated $18,200 [click here]. Even if that salary doubled in the subsequent 20 years, that would mean in 2013 Mike Kekel as CEO would make $36,400. So how can kekel afford to blow $250,000.00 on a luxury sports ride that sits in the garage; ostensibly so that people won't "get jealous" of his "being blessed"? Puh-leez spare us the cult jargon! Let's look at this.

Either the ntcc is lying and under-reporting how much cash the church brings in.

Or their CEO has a hidden source of income that enables him to blow a quarter of a million dollars on a dust collector.

Somewhere, something is not adding up!

Where is all this cash coming from?

Are the ntcc board members making porn films of themselves raping and spanking Julie and selling that on the internet????

Julie said...

According to paperwork ntcc filed in 1993 [click here] the C/O (Chief Officer) Joseph H. Olson was compensated $18,200 [click here]. Even if that salary doubled in the subsequent 20 years, that would mean in 2013 Mike Kekel as CEO would make $36,400. So how can kekel afford to blow $250,000.00 on a luxury sports ride that sits in the garage; ostensibly so that people won't "get jealous" of his "being blessed"? Puh-leez spare us the cult jargon! Let's look at this.

Either the ntcc is lying and under-reporting how much cash the church brings in.

Yeah really doesn't add up. In 1994 and 1995 I went with Regina and her mother on shopping sprees where they were buying outfits that were very expensive. One outfit was 150.00 and they left with so many bags it was hard to carry it all out. They did this a number of times. I also went with the Davis' and Tanya Kekel and the stuff they would buy was very expensive. I mention those years because of how close they are to 93 but I have been with all these leaders were tons of money was spent over the years. There is no way they could have shopped like this on that salary.

I have heard Tanya try to claim people just bless them with certain things the very things I watched her buy with her own money.

LIES LIES LIES !!!!!!

Hugs,
Julie

Anonymous said...

Mo. Rev. Stat. § 556.037 Time limitations for prosecutions for sexual offenses involving a person under 18

If victim of an unlawful sexual offense is under 18 at the time of commission of the offense, within 30 years after victim reaches the age of 18 (unless the offense is one for which there is no time limit)
State v. Casaretto (App. E.D. 1991) 818 S.W.2d 313—New statute of limitations passed after event criminal defendant was charged with allegedly occurred, but before old limitations period had run, was procedural, and thus permissibly extended statutory period

Anonymous said...


Sexual Offense Statutes
Mo. Rev. Stat. § 566.030 First degree rape and attempted first degree rape, penalties

Felony, punishable by life imprisonment or a term of not less than 5 years
(1) If the actor inflicts serious physical injury or displays a deadly weapon or dangerous instrument in a threatening manner or subjects the victim to sexual intercourse or deviate sexual intercourse with more than one person, punishable by life imprisonment or a term of not less than 15 years
(2) If the victim is a child less than 12 years of age, punishable by life imprisonment without eligibility for probation or parole until the offender has served not less than 30 years or unless the offender has reached the age of 75 years and has served at least 15 years, unless such rape in the first degree is described under subdivision (3)

Thanks for looking up missouri. The local prosecutor should be contacted.

Anonymous said...


Robert P. McCulloch
ST. LOUIS COUNTY PROSECUTING ATTORNEY
100 South Central Avenue
Second Floor
Clayton, MO 63105 Phone:
Fax:
Email: (314) 615-2600

pa@stlouisco.com

Anonymous said...

Mexico, Mo.
Audrain Prosecuting Attorney
101 N Jefferson St, Mexico, MO 65265
(573) 473-5860

Anonymous said...

St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney
100 S Central Ave 2nd Floor, St Louis, MO 63105
(314) 615-2600

Your Voice Saved Our Lives said...

The guts you have Julie to stand up and say I am not going to idly stand by at the risk of another victim. My wife and I got to the bible school about a little over a year ago we were not at peace being there small things we noticed just bothered us. The leaders here are forever wanting alone time with the ladies.

My wife is one of the ladies that cleaned for Tanya and some of the other ladies as well. She told me one day that M. Kekel was in the house and asked to speak with her alone. My wife knew she was to obey the Man of God but her gut just didn't set right. She finally stammered out sir I will gladly speak to you but I would like to wait until my husband is present. My other pastor told me it is not good to be alone with a man including the Man of God. M. Kekel didn't seem happy and told her she could go home. Nothing more was said and she was not allow back to clean. We couldn't figure out what that was all about since nothing happened and not much was said.

We have recently left due to Julie being willing to share the adult sex stuff with us all. Thank you Julie! And I know you would want the Lord to be thanked too so Thank you Lord for watching over my family in letting us know we needed to get out of there.

My children are saved from that pain.

Don and Ange said...

The campground and Lodge are in Monroe County, Missouri.

Which hotel / what town was Julie raped at by ralph st. clair?

Don and Ange said...

Okay, we now know that the ntcc is corrupt and it's Board Members are either child molesters or have participated in the cover up. What is an ntcc'r supposed to do now? Your lives have been given to this group or this bunch, and now you don't know what to do. I can actually understand that. There was a time when I felt trapped and had no solution to the dilemma that confronted me. Here are some solutions or approaches you can take to fix the problem.

1. You can pray and ask God if he wants you to continue to give money to a bunch of child molesters. Praying is always the best solution. You can ask God, should I follow people that molest children and then blame the victims for their own sins? What would Jesus do? So we encourage prayer. Ask God. Should I continue to follow these corrupt people, and support them, and give them my money and time, and let them tell me how to live? Should someone that rapes little girls be telling me how to follow Christ? Make sure if you chose the method of prayer that you are willing to do what God tells you to do. If you ask God, "Is it okay to go to whore house?", and God says, "No", then make sure you don't go. Now honestly, people, I know that it's been said that there are no such things as stupid questions, but if you really don't know the answer to these questions, than ask God and if God says yes, I want you to continue to be spiritually nurtured by a bunch of pedophiles than have at it.

Don and Ange said...

2. Another approach you can take is one that is taught in colleges.
The technique is called Brainstorming. Write down in two columns the Pros and the Cons of leaving the ntcc.

Pros: Your money can go towards your own future and that of your family instead of financing Kekel's mansions so he can have the young girls come and clean it for him on weekends while the wives are out shopping for bags full of Alpaca Scarfs paid for by the rest of your tithe money. This would be referred to as a 'No-Brainer', (something that doesn't require much thought).

Cons: You won't be able to follow rules that only apply to you and your family while the royal tithe slurping kings and queens laugh at you for being stupid while they get rich. Maybe that's a pro, it's so confusing.

Pros: You will now be able to function as a grown up and make decisions for yourself that you have been allowing people like Kekel and Davis to make for you. You can talk to the sister or brother that you want to talk to and you can visit the people that you want to visit, or go to the family functions that you want to attend instead of shutting down your brain and allowing others to dictate these things to you.

Cons: You will have to start thinking for yourself. You will have to use that part of your brain that the ntcc has been using for you. This means that you will have to put forth some effort to figure important things out for yourself, Like, should I take spiritual advise from a pervert? Should I go to church in an organization that was started in adultery and child molestation? Should I ruin my child's life by enforcing a bunch of rules in his or her life that never were followed by Grant or Tanya when they were children? Should I listen to people that want to rule every aspect of my life but are not accountable for their own actions to anyone?

Don and Ange said...

I know what was just shared sounds sarcastic but we are trying to wake some of you folks up from the deep sleep you have been in for quite a long time. We are amazed that many of you who read this are agonizing over what to do. This is your 'get out of jail free' card. The ship is sinking and you can heed the call to 'Abandon Ship' or you can ride it down to the bottom of the sea. It's horrible that you have given your lives to this organization and it's leaders. It's horrible that you have trusted them with everything and they have let you down. But you can escape from this corrupt bunch of lying scoundrels and sexual predators. They should all be serving prison sentences now but they have used good people like many of you who are still in, to cover up their evil deeds. They preach salvation and people respond. When they respond they become nothing more than tools, that are used by these sex offenders, to provide more money for them to spend and to show a clean new face that the organization can hide behind. Look at how pure and holy we are. Keep paying us and following us so we can gratify ourselves with your children. It's that simple and you wonder why we get mad and why we are trying to get you out of this cult. Wake up and grow up. Be a man or a woman and take a stand. There's your Easter Message.

Anonymous said...

Pretty shocking what this brother posted about his wife being asked to talk to kekel alone!
It proves more and more that he has such tendencies.
Maybe he was grooming this lady and found out that she isn't so easy to break.
Is the org so corrupt that maybe the board members give each other pardons like the Catholics do?
"Ego te absolvo"
It makes me wonder if these people do this so they can continue on like nothing happened.
Just too shocking!

Chief said...

Like I said: Kekel has obviously been trying to pull this trick all along. I'd bet he's had sex with others. Some of these "nice" women probably welcomed it. I've been suggesting this for years. He likes to watch them clean his floor on "their hands and knees".

If you allow your daughter or wife to go and clean kekel's house you need to get your brain checked. Kekel is a slut and it's just that simple. Kinson got caught leaving a whore house. RWD was a known adulterer. He had sex with Pam Norton and was accused of doing the same with others. Matt Reed testified about Kinson, and Darwin Durek "who was in the church back in the old days" testified about RWD having problems in the church because of at least two or three such credible accusations.

These guys have been doing this stuff and covering for each other all along. It's not new news. People simply have been ignoring these blogs. They have all been either covering it up, or turning a blind eye or involved. That's Kinson, Ashmore, Olson and no doubt others. If you went and read my blog with an open mind from cover to cover, there is no way you'd stay with the NTCC if you have any conscience at all or even one lick of common sense. This type of info is old news. You all have simply elected to ignore it.

Chief

Your Voice Saved Our Lives said...

Chief I wasn't trying to ignore anything I didn't know of any blog until 2 months. I didn't know this was such old news. I am not sure why you are getting mad at what I wrote. I was just trying to explain what happened to my wife with M. Kekel and that reading this blog help us know to get out. I am sorry you think we were stupid in not realizing sooner we were in a bad organization. Maybe I should have just keep this to myself.

Don and Ange said...

Your Voice Saved Our Lives,

We are glad you shared your story. It is a very important comment. That's why we embedded it into the main blog post.

We're really glad your wife protected herself and even more thankful that she did not have to return for "merry maid" "service" for kekel - either one (as in either one of the kekels), or either way (as in either being a maid doing what tanya should do herself, or "servicing" a self-proclaimed "man of Gawd" who shows no evidence of being godly and has multiple accusations of sexual impropriety against him).

Your testimony backs up so much of what has been shared. And though we might be wrong here, we think Chief is directing his comment to the people who read the blogs for years but refuse to leave the org.

Blogging is a complex process. When I first started reading Tracy's blog, I really looked at many comments in a different light than the person who was writing them had intended. Luckily, I was "slow to speak". In the mean time Tracy would respond and issues would be clarified and I would realize that written words don't always convey the tone or intended meaning that might come through in a face-to-face conversation.

We also want to thank you for supporting Julie.

For what it's worth, we are very happy that you did comment, and even more happy that you left the NTCC. Truly God did deliver both you and your children from much pain.

Don and Ange said...

Anonymous said...
Pretty shocking what this brother posted about his wife being asked to talk to kekel alone!
It proves more and more that he has such tendencies.
Maybe he was grooming this lady and found out that she isn't so easy to break


DNA say,

We think you have hit the mark here. Davis would do the same things. I had a woman tell me of an instance where he was having her alone in his room with her. I strongly felt he was testing her to see if she would be an easy mark. I too had "alone" time with Davis at the Lodge. Nothing improper happened, but I did consider it significant since he preached so much against that. Davis always broke the rules he preached. He always did whatever suited his fancy. Students would loose a whole semester of classes, including tuition, if they were late to one church function. But Davis would go to the campground for a whole weekend and lay out of all church services. The hypocrisy was always there. We always overrode what was right in front of our faces. The racism. Davis calling African-Americans the "N" word and Kekel referring to "monkey music" - his words.... Davis and Kekel 'preaching' that we need to sacrifice then bragging about buying a new Cadillac every year or every 50,000 miles - whichever came first. All the abuse. All the times they broke confidences and aired people's private matters from the pulpit, which is against the laws of confidentiality between a preacher and congregant.... All of this was right in front of our eyes. Yet we overrode it, telling ourselves, "It's for the good. "Pastor" loves us." Well, we were wrong. "Pastor" didn't love us. We loved him. And our love was blinding us. Charity suffereth long and is kind. We suffered for so long. We were kind to them. And they despised that kindness and viewed us as being "weak minds with strong backs" [ and pockets deep enough to keep them rolling in the dough while we choked down some more ramen, or worse...] Well, as Chief often says, "It is what it is." We can accept it, learn from it, and change. We can overcome and help others do the same. Praise God.

Anonymous said...

I think chief is talking as any man who has found freedom and since he's found the obvious he can't understand that there's still people in the org who can't.
But you need to remember that since the beginning we were taught the we were not supposed to have any negative thoughts for the leaders! If you even thought that they were wrong than you were fighting against God, so Chief gets exasperated with people but not everybody is like him that gets it right away.
God doesn't give everybody the same intellect.
Plus faithful members aren't gonna go read the blog because it is a sin and you wanna stay sweet in your spirit.
All I can say is that maybe some are never ever gonna change unless something really bad happens to them. But there will be many that probably will stay in the org and they'll die in the ntcc, ruined and penniless. That's their choice. I'm glad the bro that recently left posted his own experience. It means a lot me.

Chief said...

Ange wrote...

And though we might be wrong here, we think Chief is directing his comment to the people who read the blogs for years but refuse to leave the org.

Chief wrote...

Ange is absolutely right. Please understand and I respectfully request that no offense is taken. My statement was directed (as a wakeup call) to people who are still in the NTCC who read and ignore these blogs and continue to allow their wives or daughters to clean kekel's house while being placed in harms way. Kekel is a creep, plain and simple. Your testimony concerning how kekel conducted himself around your wife was just more proof if his degeneracy. This guy is a predator plain and simple. There is no telling how many NTCC wives he's hit on or had sex with or been suggestive with. Once again, please understand that my comment was the result of the confirmation you gave and certainly not directed toward you.

The problem is, many NTCC people read these blogs and write off our testimonies as non-credible information and then turn right around and place their wives and daughters in harms way by allowing them to clean Kekel's house.

I'm glad you did post your testimony. Hopefully it will wake up some current NTCCers. If you still know current NTCCers, you should put out the word so their wives or daughters don't fall victim to the likes of kekel or his other degenerate leaders who cover up this stuff. At best it's an uncomfortable situation for a woman to find herself in when approached by kekel the predator. I mean really think about it for a moment. Why would a millionaire who has a wife, have other women to come over and clean his house? That is absurd and a complete abuse of power, authority and leadership. Kekel is dirt and perhaps the lowest person I've ever met. I mean this guy is genuinely low down. He shouldn't be behind a pulpit, he should be behind bars.

Chief said...

We blog for one purpose and one purpose only. To warn people so they don't fall victim to the likes of Kekel, Kinson, or Davis. Not only that, they are taking your money and blowing it on luxuries while most of you live in poverty. How many NTCCers as an overall percentage own their very own house? How many NTCCers put their children though a private academy like the one Grant Kekel attended at the cost of about $20,000 a year? Davis and Kekel have been using you NTCCers all along for profit and gain, no more no less. They don't care about your souls and never have. Read my blog and you'll see. All they have ever cared about is your money and turning your women into their and your personal slave force by having complete control over their lives. I'm not exaggerating one bit. Davis was, till the day he died, a male chauvinist PIG!!! Keepers at home in Tit 2:5 means to be a "keeper of the house" or a "good house keeper". It does not mean that it's a sin for a woman to work outside the house. If it's sin for a woman to work outside the home, you might as well throw Proverbs 31 in the trash can. The NTCC leadership knows this but they treat your women as second class citizens because they have guys like Kekel and Davis making up the rules and twisting the scriptures. Davis talked about women as a whole all the time. Let me say this again.
Roger Davis was a MALE CHAUVINIST PIG with a capital P and so is Kekel and that’s why Kekel has your wives and daughters come to clean his stinking rotten ill gotten house. Tanya Kekel is dirt. That despicable woman should clean her own house that she got off the backs of a bunch of broke used abused NTCCers who were conned out of their money. Tanya Kekel is the most spoiled person I’ve ever known in my entire life. While she is out on her extravagant shopping sprees, her husband is hitting on and having sex with women like Julie in her very own house and as long as the money keeps pouring in Tanya don’t care. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if Tanya has a man on the side as well. Women often do that when they know their husband is cheating. Neither Tanya or Mike have ever tried to follow the NTCC rules which is exactly why Grant is attending a Catholic College while so many of your kids went to the NTCS. The Kekel’s want Grant to get a REAL education. Don’t you NTCCers think that’s odd? Doesn’t that even occur to you? You people are being used.

Chief said...

Husbands and NTCC wifes: Wake up before you waste your lives away following sexual predators like Kekel and Davis while giving your money away to a bunch of con artists. Nowhere in the Bible does it say God expects you to be stupid with your money by blindly giving it to sexual predators like Kekel so he and his wife can blow it on everything they can dream of while watching you live at or below the poverty level. God didn't bless them. That's where you NTCCers have it wrong. Saddam Hussein was a Muslim Billionaire. Did God bless him? There are many billionaires and millionaires in this world that don't spend one minute in a "Christian" church and do you suppose God blessed them? No they got what they got because they got it themselves. God allowed it and God allows Kekel to con you out of your money year after year. Kekel the con artist, creep, predator, adulterer, and hypocrite is not a godly man at all. He is simply a con artist predator who was put in a position of authority in a church because he married the daughter of a bigger hypocrite namely RWD. No more, no less.

I've been saying this for years with no fear of Gods judgment because what I'm saying is true and I know it and so does God and so should current NTCCers because with modern technology God hasn't left us in the dark. The NTCC leadership tries to keep everything a secret but the Internet and people with a conscience have made that impossible. NTCC people need to wake up before they waste anymore of their life, money and time. NTCC women are completely wasting their lives and allowing themselves to be enslaved by a bunch of male chauvinist pigs.
Chief

Chief said...

Anon wrote...

But you need to remember that since the beginning we were taught that we were not supposed to have any negative thoughts for the leaders! If you even thought that they were wrong than you were fighting against God, so Chief gets exasperated with people but not everybody is like him that gets it right away.

Chief said...

Wow that was good. Who ever you are, you have me pegged. I do get exasperated but I also (as you so wonderfully put it) need to remember that not everybody does get it right away. In fact some will never get it at all but I also need to remember that some people got it the minute they stepped into an NTCC church while listening to Davis or Kekel the blowhards and I certainly wasn't one of them. I spent ten long wasted years in the NTCC. Well, in the end it wasn't wasted at all and I'll tell you why.

Thank God that because of the NTCC and the sense God gave me, I wound up in Columbus Georgia, and after I left the NTCC, (and while still in Columbus Georgia) some absolutely marvelous things took place in my life which resulted in some considerable significant success and blessings. These things would have not taken place had I followed my creep NTCC pastor and had I stayed in the NTCC. When I say "considerable" I'm talking about things while will have an absolute tangible positive effect on me for the rest of my life. People who personally know me know exactly what I'm talking about. Brother I certainly don't deserve it but believe me I'm blessed beyond the imagination of many.

These occurrences in my life would have ABSOLUTELY NOT taken place if I hadn't stood up to "pastor" or rather "Antipastor" Mayers the abuser and Oberhauser the creep. I left Mayers the abuser who was the "pastor" in the NTCC Atlanta church, because I wouldn't put up with his garbage and abuse any longer. I changed jobs and came to Columbus Georgia and attended the NTCC church there. It was there where I wound up in Operhauser's church who is also a misguided abusive creep. Well my wife and I had enough of that garbage, and we had found out about a ton of dirt concerning the NTCC and there was no doubt that we needed to leave the so called "church" once and for all.

Chief said...

Well I started the blog and the stories of abuse, excess, misuse of money, abuse of women, greed, double standards and hypocrisy rolled in so much so, that I became exasperated to such a degree I got sick of even trying to get through to NTCC people. This was due to the degree that many ignored what "I" considered painfully obvious. In the end I concluded that this world is full of many brainwashed Christians of one denomination or another, Muslims, Catholics, JW's, Seventh Day Adventists and so on, that my involvement with these blogs would have little effect on anything in the grand scheme of things. Many people were leaving the NTCC and jumping right out of the pot and back into the kettle with yet another controlling church. It amazed me because many had learned little or nothing as a result of their NTCC experience. Additionally many still in the NTCC learned nothing from these blogs because they were seemly so irreversibly brainwashed, that they either didn't believe anyone's stories of abuse who had left the NTCC or they did believe the stories but they still somehow had the misguided notion that they could follow Davis and Kekel and God at the same time????

Would you follow Adolf Hitler just because he said he was a servant of God? Jesus warned to beware of false prophets. He said you shall know them by their fruits. Well people, the fruits of Kekel, Kinson, Ashmore, Davis and Olson are rotten to the core to the utter max. So when you are following them, you are following false, fake, double standard, hypocrite, greedy, money hungry, abusive, prophets and you consequently are not following God. It is what it is and I had to learn that the hard way and it took me 10 long years. It took others a whole lot longer than that. It's a process and I need to remember that and sometimes it doesn't come easy.

Read the stories people. If you have doubts call someone. Ask questions, get answers. Kekel is a creep people. He is in it for the money and control and in this case the control of vulnerable women and girls. It's not about holiness or godliness with him and based on the countless testimonies I've read it's never been. Kekel is a stone cold creep and it's just that simple people and he is in charge of "YOUR" organization if you are still in the NTCC.

Maurice said...

When Tanya kekel says/claim that people just bless them with certain things, the questions that should be asked is why? Why do folks just bless you with certain things? Who the hell are you, that folks just want to bless you with a mansion, expensive cars, overseas trips, It is Christ who died. Your husband is screwing or raping just about anything that moves, is that why folks just bless you all? Please, current and longtime members of ntcc ask question of the leaders of ntcc, ask about your mansion, ask about your material blessings, you give and give, and give, and have been made so many promises, well ask when is any of it going to come true for you?

Maurice said...

When Tanya kekel says/claim that people just bless them with certain things, the questions that should be asked is why? Why do folks just bless you with certain things? Who the hell are you, that folks just want to bless you with a mansion, expensive cars, overseas trips, It is Christ who died. Your husband is screwing or raping just about anything that moves, is that why folks just bless you all? Please, current and longtime members of ntcc ask question of the leaders of ntcc, ask about your mansion, ask about your material blessings, you give and give, and give, and have been made so many promises, well ask when is any of it going to come true for you?

Maurice said...

Chief, I agree 100%. When I was a member of ntcc over thirty years ago, I do remember davis using the (N) word more than anyone that I have ever heard use it from the pulpit or the military, or any job that I worked. Davis would use the (N) word and then say that if you get offended you need to get saved, So, I would go back to the dorm and pray for God to save me because davis preach that if you got offended its because of not being saved, I cannot count the number of times I prayed to be saved because of what davis said. I was torn trying to understand why would my brother say anything to offend me.

A Free Man said...

Chief you have made some very good points. It makes me happy that I decided to quit the give and control show. My life is forever changed for the better. Thanks for not stopping speaking out. It assures us that have gotten out we without a doubt made the best choice possible even if you had to repeat it over and over until our brain kicked in gear to believe it. Chief you speaking out matters.

Maurice said...

Those of you who have decided to stay as a members of ntcc please do the same thing as your leaders and desire material things which is contrary to the bible, but ntcc leaders are not living scripture, so, why should you? Why not strive for all the material things that you can get, plus rape a few young ladies along the way? Why strive for a mansion that Jesus promised, when you can just trick a few folks here on earth (using Jesus word) and have it now. If you stop thinking Godly, and start thinking about how you can trick folks out of there money, you to can go far in ntcc.

Maurice said...

Oh, by the way, you ntcc members want to know how, and why the leaders of ntcc know so much about you, well remember those This Is I papers that we all had to fill out? There's your answer, and they use that information when it benefits them, they know that most, if not all Christians are going to be honest when they do, the this is I paper. They also share it. Enlight of the way they treated Julie, how can any of the leaders of ntcc be trusted with anything? listen to Julie, and to DnA, and Chief, and Vic and others who was once members, but have now been showen just how corrupt this organization truly is, and is speaking out in hopes that others will see and get out.

Anonymous said...

It grieves me that people follow these men like they were God. It reminds me so much of Catholics.
But like chief says " it is what it is" and hopefully more people will break free from having the leaders on a pedestal and will see for themselves, just like this bro that recently left.
I remember many times how the wives of many ministers talked about what they would do in the event that their husband would die and many didn't even fathom to think beyond that and now we've seen how many of them were left destitute. Penniless and no support whatsoever!
I wonder if ms Davis ever gave some alms to the widows.
I recall one who was in servicemens home all her life. Giving , working, living in the servicemens home and when she was widowed she put pictures of her belongings on fb and all she had was a few boxes living with her married sister. Thank God that at least she had a room but she ended up working at mcdonalds, this was after sacrificing her youth, childless, and now living alone trying to make things happen in her 50s !
Hopefully these blogs will open the eyes of many! That is my prayer .

Julie said...

Anonymous said....
They spoke out our private matters too - publicly! But when it comes to them, all is different!

Oh that have spoke from the pulpit about other people's private matters my whole life. I had my name mentioned from the pulpit as a kid so much by Ralph St. Clair and the other leaders e sometimes when I would hear my name I would try to tune the rest of what was said not wanting to know what I was in trouble for now. It was even worse if they decided to use me as an example by bringing me in front. I always cringed anytime anyone said my name for I always feared something bad was going to follow it didn't matter where I was I would panic and fear would come overcome me. I feel bad for anyone that was ever humiliated by these jerks.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...

My prayers continue for you, the blogs, the awakening of the sheep, and those who are coming forward to support your life and those with their own accounts of abuse. Praise God for revival!

God is truly working in hearts and people are starting to follow their heart and God's leading that is awesome. May the fear that holds some back from leaving or speaking about what happened to them be broken. Thank you for prayers for all of us.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...


Anonymous said...
I left NTCC yesterday because you cared enough to speak out about the truth. I pray for you and hope you keep speaking until all hear what has happened in this place people call a church organization.

Thank you Jesus for freeing another one! Thanks for the prayers everyone that speaks out are blessed by them.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...

Anonymous Maurice said...

Wow, Julie so sad. Heck, before this story is complete, I may have to add even more screen names to my original screen name. Disappointed, Mentally Unstable, Maurice, befriended Julie.........
Julie please please keep fighting, keep speaking out, don't stop don't rest. Kekel, Davis, the st. clairs and others was not obeying God, was not doing the will of God when they abused you.

Maurice as always thanks for the support. I couldn't do any of this without God being there and without all the supporters that take time to step out letting me know I am not fighting this alone. Every voice reminds me even when I feel overwhelmed with what has happened to not stop.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...

Chief said...

They've never done the will of God. I'm convinced. It's always been about themselves, sex and money.....

You are right about that they have never done God's will nor will they ever that is a fact. They just found a easy way to get money and more money as well as free sex. They are some of the most selfish people.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...

I came to the God in you now I have him in my heart too. My husband asked Jesus into his heart. Some of my friends are noticing I am different I have been able to share with them about Jesus in me.

Thank you Lord for the work You are doing in hearts! This is what it is all about getting people to turn to You not a man. Thanks for sharing it thrills my heart to know people are finding Jesus.

Hugs,
Julie

Not Trying to be Alarmist said...

FLDS raid, Short Creek Raid,Branch Davidian raids.

there is a pattern here. take heed!

Julie said...

Stripes said...
Anonymous wrote:
"He says you like to cause division in marriages. He says you would rather steal other people's husbands, then try to hold on to your own."

He has a strange way of not trying to sound guilty. Did he name any of the husbands? It is only fair since he put Julie's name out. She supposed to be so called feebled minded, yet she is cunning enough to steal a platoon of husbands.

Of course he didn't mention names. He can't make up his mind on what I supposedly did or who I am.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I fear the story will get worse!
DnA wrote that we have only read one third of what Julie sent to them.
But very interesting what mck is telling the audience there in graham.
I recall when the st Claire's came into town they slept at this couple's small apt.
How can kekel not open his beautiful and expansive home and let this elderly couple stay in their guest room! They've been around since forever and those things that we were taught about not having people over because of over familiarity and all that nonsense doesn't apply here.
When the story of Julie broke the kekels right away tucked tail and ran to give a fellowship somewhere which was convenient enough.

Yeah it is interesting. One I heard they were going to stay with the Kekels but RW got sick right before they came to town so it was decided for them not to stay there. The St. Clairs have spent a lot of time at the Kekels though since coming into town. Joan is back to being their seamstress.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...

Anonymous said...
Kekel says Don and Ange should be careful or their marriage will be the next one Julie will go after because she cant just be happy for others. He referred to Julie by some nasty names.

Oh brother!!! Kekel is such an idiot. The fact is I am so thrilled that they found each other again and are happily married. We have a friend-familyship. Kekel is such a disgusting jerk.

Hugs,
Julie

Chief said...

Maurice said...

Those of you who have decided to stay as a members of ntcc please do the same thing as your leaders and desire material things which is contrary to the bible.

Chief said...

Oh Maurice, you know they couldn't do that.... God can only bless Davis, Kekel and the other NTCC leaders because it's only them who are doing God's will. Silly Maurice. That's what Davis said. He said that many people in the NTCC aren't blessed because God "can't bless them". He said they are not doing God's will so God can't bless them. Davis said if they give more to the church willfully from a cheerful heart then God could bless them. Silly Maurice. You know better. Surely if they were doing Gods will they'd be living in mansions and driving expensive cars like the Kekel's, Bill Gates and the guy who robbed the bank, took millions and never got caught. These people are the ones who get blessed, not disobedient NTCCers.

Hey Maurice, can you believe we were so stupid that we bought off on that garbage? Well not any more Bro. Not any more. I'm no longer paying for a fat house for Kekel and nice cars for Kekel and an over the top expensive education for his son so his son can play basket ball and football and graduate to attend an even more expensive Catholic College. And I don't care if he got scholarships and Grants. There are still additional expenses and plenty of them. I know, I have a daughter who has been there and done that.

If you are in the NTCC you are absolutely helping or have helped to fund the son of Mike Kekels education at a Catholic College. Hail Mary full of Grace, the Lord is with Thee. Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death, Amen. Part of the Catholic prayer. You money is going toward a Secular University that believes that you should pray to MARY!!!!!!! Praise God NTCC brothers and sisters, All Christians pay tithe and give in the offerings so the Kekels can put their son through a $20,000 a year private academy play football and basketball, so Kekel can rape girls in his mansion that you paid for and so his son can go to a Catholic University where they believe in praying to the Blessed Mother Mary. Praise the Lord!!!!

Oh but Chief, they taught me in the NTCC that when I pay tithe, I am paying it "as unto the Lord" and the Lord will take care of the rest and if I'm going to be blessed I'm not supposed to worry about how the money is spent?

And Chief said...

Well Praise God, you've just been brainwashed into having no concern of how your money is being spent.

Chief said...

Cult tactic 101: How to get peoples money and spend it any way you want.
Cult tactic 102: Teach the people to NEVER question the church leadership on how the money you give gets spent.
Cult tactic 103: Regularly reinforce the notion that the broke church members are sure to get blessed as long as they keep giving while not worrying about it.
Cult tactic 104: Have guys like Kekel testify about his wealth so the rest of the suckers will believe that if they keep giving, that one day they can be like him.
Cult tactic 105: Make sure the women don't work so you can have them come clean your house that their husbands helped pay for because they'd been brainwashed into giving their money away to pay for the mansion that their wife is now cleaning all bent over for Kekel to look at.
Cult tactic 106: Keep the people poor so they can get used to being broke while you spend all the money they give to the church on everything Tanya Kekel can dream of.
Cult tactic 107: Keep the people feeling guilty by preaching about every sin you can dream up so they don't truly ever expect to be blessed like you and as a result they will keep giving money so you can be blessed while they perpetually remain broke and happy waiting on the blessing that you know will never come because you spend all their money on whatever you can dream up.
And last but certainly not least.
Cult tactic 108: Use 1 Cor 16:2 in your doctrinal statement to justify requiring compulsory mandated tithe paying because you know the people are too brainwashed to actually read 1 Cor 16:2 and realize that it has absolutely positively nothing to do with paying tithe but rather taking up a collection for the poor people in the church.

Silly Maurice: You need to pray through and get a hold of God and stop questioning the "MAN OF GAWD" and how he spends your money.

Anonymous said...

Julie, I hope you contacted those official's that were referred to you. The prosecutor's office will respond to your email. Just give them your testimony, and contact info. Maybe because of the multi state aspects of these crimes, the FBI should be contacted. The law firm is familiar with this group, and may be able to advise you, and or present a law suit.
I will give the first $100 dollars to help you get to court, etc.

Maurice said...

As long as the st. clairs have been members of ntcc and threw away there daughter for ntcc and for what just to live in a servicemen home? I can picture those two knuckle heads asking kekel. Pastor kekel can we get a mansion? oh, ok, no mansion? then, can we get a company car? oh, ok, then, no company car? Well, what about tickets to the conference? ok, good thanks. Pastor kekel, can we stay with you? Oh, Hell No! ya'll two knuckle heads can say at the cramp ground. Ok Pastor, God Bless.

Maurice said...

The St. Clairs to Kekel: But sir. Pastor Davis said that we can have a Mansion, and all the fine things of this life, for our sacrifice.
Kekel: Pastor who? Davis? he dead.

Chief said...

Haha. That was good. What I'm about to write isn't funny but I can imagine them asking Kekel all those questions and making all those requests and Kekel replying with, "I'll think about it, send Julie over so I can decide". And for the record that's not even funny. It's sick because if Kekel asked to see my wife or daughter I'd probably send them over, stand right outside and the minute one of them made a scream, I'd bust in with the police and that creep would be behind bars with a crow bar up his forth point of contact. Then no one would ever have to deal with that creep ever again. And we'd sue the NTCC for every dime they have. It's a sad state the NTCC and Julie experienced some of the worst of it.

I hope you are doing better (if that even possible) Julie. You are a strong girl. Those creeps really messed you up. I'm sorry because I was part of that creepy organization myself for a long time and no doubt some of my money with into the Kekel's back pocket. I'm sorry I funded that mess.

Chief

Don and Ange said...

Chief, Maurice, A Free Man, Your Voice Saved Our Lives, Sam and anyone else,

It's not your fault. But thanks for supporting Julie and the other women who were abused as girls in the NTCC. Your support, even just the expression of remorse for being in the group, means a lot! So thanks.

Don and Ange said...

FYI -- Some people leave comments that we do not publish, for various reasons. Without an e-mail or means of contacting these folks, we will from time to time leave what looks like a cryptic message for those folks (like the one we just left for "Talked to [ ...]"). Sorry for any inconvenience to anyone. But your opinions and comments do mean a great deal to us, even if we do not fully agree with you and even if we do not publish them. We have clearly stated objectives for this blog, such as protecting abuse victims from further abuse. Some comments are in a grey zone and we carefully consider each comment that is submitted. So thanks. May God reward each of you according to your hearts. If that seems bad, maybe God will change your heart to something pleasing in His sight.

Nothing but love,

DNA

Anonymous said...

Anon said:

The law firm is familiar with this group, and may be able to advise you, and or present a law suit.
I will give the first $100 dollars to help you get to court, etc.

Another Anon said:

I will give the second $100 without question. Contact D&A. They will know who I am because I'm going to tell them. So there is $200 Julie to help with expenses. Any other takers? Heck, I will give $200 if it helps Julie take these people to court. Julie, let D&A know what your plans are if you think thats appropriate. We could do a fund raiser to help with your expenses. It will be all worth it to see these people have their church taken away and their freedom as well. You would be protecting other women Julie.

Don and Ange said...

Dear "Talked To [ . . . ]",

We read your comment. Thanks for talking and sharing what you learned. We might run your comment as it's own blog post or might add more comments to it, but this will take some time (maybe five or six weeks from tonight). We hope you support those who were harmed by the NTCC. Please keep checking back to see if we publish your comment. Thanks.

DNA

Julie said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ronnie wrote:

"Rev. Kekel says Julie is a very greedy individual that like to take from others. She begs people for money. That she has went onto the street to beg since she is lazy."

goes to show what he thinks of those who are barely making ends meet.

Julie says.....

It speaks it loud and clear how much they don't care about struggling people at all. You could be eating out of a garbage can and sleeping under a bridge as long as they get money they wouldn't care who suffers.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...

Shawn said...
Julie would you ever want to be married again?................
What has happened is both shocking and horrible. Mike Kekel has no right to be a leader. I hope more people wake up. Your story as well as Lisa, Pam, and Lori's woke us to how stupid we were being and we now live in smart land.

As far as getting married again only my closet friends they know who they are get to ask my personal questions and even they are not promised an answer. I do agree Kekel has no right being a leader. I am glad you did wake up and got out of that place. I hope you have a wonderful and blessed fulled life.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...

Smithy said...
Yeah Rev. Kekel did say he was a product of rape.

And he thinks this is suppose to excuse him how? I suffered severe abuse plus multiple rapes yet I have never repeated any of that behavior towards anyone. He choose to abuse, rob people, and rape. No one made him do it. He chooses to hurt people.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...

Barb said....

Mike Kekel doesn't deserve what he has in life.

I agree he doesn't deserve the life he has. He only has what he has by stealing from others. He doesn't care about the poor only cares about himself. Yet he says I am greedy and selfish.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...

Anonymous said...
There a people out in this world who are the product of rape, but they lead an orderly life and don't do the same thing to other people.

That is very correct! I have worked with people that were the product of rape or that were raped yet they do well to others. It is all a choice.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...

Anonymous said...
It is really sad to hear about something like this happening within a church, where someone is kept a prisoner and mentally and physically abused for so many years.

Yes it is sad and it is even sadder that they have gotten away with calling this a church since they are so many things that would say it isn't a church at all.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...

Anonymous said...
I too heard Rev kekel speak horribly of Julie. It was thr worse I have even heard. My wife and I left the bible school to hear a lady spoke of in such a nasty manner we were shocked. This shoudnt have happened.

I am sorry you had to endure hearing what you heard but I am so happy that you got jarred out of there before they dragged you through the ministry to even worse.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...

Sarah said...
This weekend we should count our blessings even Julie does that and she is the one that M. Kekel messed over.

God has truly blessed me and caring supporters is a great blessing that I am so thankful for.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...

Your Voice Saved Our Lives said...

The guts you have Julie to stand up and say I am not going to idly stand by at the risk of another victim. My wife and I got to the bible school about a little over a year ago we were not at peace being there small things we noticed just bothered us. The leaders here are forever wanting alone time with the ladies.

Thanks so much for sharing this helps me so much. Yes I am grateful to God that you were able to realize you needed to get out of there. Sorry your wife was treated this way. It does make me wonder how many more have experienced this.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...

Anonymous said...
Pretty shocking what this brother posted about his wife being asked to talk to kekel alone!
It proves more and more that he has such tendencies.
Maybe he was grooming this lady and found out that she isn't so easy to break.

Yes it is crazy. It lets me know I am not alone in what happened. I am just sorry anyone would go through that.

Hugs,
Julie

Julie said...

Maurice said...
Chief, I agree 100%. When I was a member of ntcc over thirty years ago, I do remember davis using the (N) word more than anyone that I have ever heard use it from the pulpit or the military, or any job that I worked. Davis would use the (N) word and then say that if you get offended you need to get saved, So, I would go back to the dorm and pray for God to save me because davis preach that if you got offended its because of not being saved, I cannot count the number of times I prayed to be saved because of what davis said. I was torn trying to understand why would my brother say anything to offend me.

That is just so wrong that this would happen. I have heard the racial marks in NTCC throughout my life. It was bad. I had a black baby doll when I was little and some of the leaders use to call me a "N" lover yet they would try to say they love all nationalities. Yeah Right!!! That was such a lie.

Hugs,
Julie

Don and Ange said...

Kekel Grabbed Me In Front Of Olson, Davis, and Ashmore

Sometimes what people DON'T DO is just as telling as what they do.

Why didn't these men stop kekel?

Why wouldn't they be alarmed and jump up and say, Hey? What's going on here? Mike! Why are you grabbing Julie like that?

This makes us think Olson, Davis, and Ashmore also raped Julie.

DNA

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