The following comments were left on the previous thread entitled:
Are All these Girls Lying? Pam Norton and Lori Kelly Testimonies
Lisa said...
I will never ever forget the day Barbara Norton so called mom woke me up to tell me she was leaving my dad to be a preacher in Seattle. I came downstairs. Davis and his men took everything out of the house my handicap brother Terry and I where watching them take everything out she took down the Christmas tree and the presents she had under the tree where for her new church family she made sure to tell us. I remeber standing there it was Christmas morning she left Terry and I our beds and one dresser for us to share. Davi[s] and Barbara said I was evil and had the Mark of the beast on my forehead
Wednesday, February 26, 2014 8:40:00 PM 
Lisa said...
They took all the food. I am in my head being only 15 yrs old thinking it's Christmas how and what do I do for Terry.. My dad was working 35hrs for extra money. Barbara. Was yelling because I had this panino
I bought and I sold it. How she wanted the money to use to leave dad she found the money and gave it to Davis for tithe.. I use to volunteer for meals on wheels they would give me tip money I would hide it she would find it and
Give to Davis for tithe offering whatever.....I just stared at hurt she was yelling it over and over it was just Terry and I and her. Davis had our stuff she was to meet him
Wednesday, February 26, 2014 8:51:00 PM
Lisa said...
I just stood there in a daze. . The only reason Davis thought I was evil is because she would listen to my phone conversations with Lori. I told Lori. I would never let some man wake me up and tell me to fix his food I was a slave to Barbara never would I ever let some man treat me like his trash.. I told her I would punch him in the nose. I always thought if I fix you food it's because I want to.... She never ever listen to anything my dad asked or said to her.. He could say the sky was blue she would say red just to tick him off.she was very very mean to my dad
Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:03:00 PM
Lisa said...
A part of me had this big smile I found my way out of prison I was going to be free from her from the church from. Davis all of the stuff it was like a weight was lifted I could breath for the first time in my life. Then there was a part of me feeling so rejected and knowing I was never wanted or ever loved that was the hurt because no matter you have to stand there and realize. You really was her trash, damaged goods. I was nothing but damaged. You can't even look at yourself because of the ugliness of what your where inside and out... Davis and Barbara made sure to let me know. That I was the devil he was inside of me...
Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:13:00 PM
Lisa said...
As I watched her and the rest of the people leaving and take everything out of the house so they could meet Davis. I went to this dark side that I have welcomed so many times... I sat there looking around there was nothing but the tv and couch. I kept telling myself over and over come on snap out of this... I looked at Terry he started to cry I got scared he was rocking back and forth back and forth again I. Felt like I was drowning it was hard to breath the air was so stiff.... I kept saying to myself Lisa be strong your the adult now your pregnant with Johnny. baby you are all alone help Terry..
Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:20:00 PM
Lisa said...
As Terry rocked back and forth screaming taking his hands. Putting them on his ears. Screaming no no no why is she leaving Lisa... Ii just sat there he asked me if she left because he wet the bed ? I was like no he looked at me with the sweetest face saying she said. It was my fault for wetting the bed . Then she said it was your fault for being a whore he asked me did you sleep with people I told him no ..I was so shocked she said this to him.. He kept saying she hated us and then he was crying harder and harder... I can't explain how I stood up my legs felt like jello
Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:32:00 PM
Lisa said...
Somehow I stood up gave him a hug and told him it was going to be ok I was here for him and I love you. I told him to see if we at least had two glasses and plates that I would be back. I walked to the corner store it was so cold she took almost all my clothes and gave them to somebody and my winter coat... I found a big purse and one dollar the people at the store loved and trusted me. I went in there they had some shoppers I opened my purse I stole. As much food As I could. There was this box of candy I stole for Terry to have a present.. I took that dollar and bought a 2 liter of soda
Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:41:00 PM
Lisa said...
I came home and ran up the stairs. I knew where there was warping paper and tape. . I wrapped the candy up came down stairs and looked at him and said hey Terry mom. Forgot she didn't. Take your present it's right here a big smile came over his face as he unwrapped his gift smiling ear to ear going I knew she loved me she will be back she will I am like Terry we'll until that happens I have a Christmas dinner for us. I took the food out of the bag and I stole hotdogs bread little stuff there was no dishes we sat there on the kitchen floor and eat cold hot dogs on bread and chips and we both drank out of the two,liter
Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:49:00 PM
Lisa said...
It made me snap out of it seeing him laugh and smile..I just there while he watched tv and thought to myself I can do this I can be the mom to him and the baby that I don't want but I have to do this... I helped my brother gave him bath and I took my sheet off. Of my bed so he could dry off his body helped him put on his pj and tucked him into bed... I stayed awake waiting for my dad he came home hours later I told him everything gone we have left over hot dogs as I made him food he was in a fetal. Position. Crying what do I do. I had no answers He looked at me and told me
Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:56:00 PM
Lisa said...
We Had this agreement that he would work I would take care of Terry and the house and all the stuff my mom use to do ... I would draw him bath water lay his clothes and Terry I would do the same... My dad went into this please call her and beg her back. I was like no never. He would be okie we'll I won't buy food I would lie and tell him I talked to her.. I don't know if it was all the stress or what but I did loose the baby the best day of my life..... Barb when she was given permission to call. It was horrible dad would cry Terry would cry because he missed her.. I was the one left dealing with everyone.......
Wednesday, February 26, 2014 10:03:00 PM
Lisa said...
I was born and as I grew Barbara Norton would tell me not to worry. About doing good in day school because I was in training to be a preachers wife that school was not important. She would always say. Your husband will support you. And you will be his wife. .. I went to bible college at 12 yrs old I did graduate when I was 14 I made straight A. In bible school. She had my life already planned. Before I. Even knew who I. Was. The one thing I knew is I was more lonely In my life then ever... It's weird how you can go to church and smile when deep,down inside you where so tired and unhappy..
Wednesday, February 26, 2014 10:14:00 PM
Lisa said...
I am so sorry if I keep go back and forth as the memories. Come back it's so much to handle I have to stop and take a shower I just fill so filthy and nasty for what has happened to me. After I lost the baby I did call Barbara in Seattle. And told her Johnny Jordan, raped me and I was pregnant by him and lost the baby. She called me a liar and told me Davis told her I would make up,lies about him because he did want me up there..she was yelling over the phone saying I was the one that if it happened I tempted him. Davis told her I was the one that told him I loved him and wanted him
Wednesday, February 26, 2014 11:16:00 PM
Lisa said...
Barbara, was like Davis said we are living in these last days. And people would rise and cause problems in the church tempting the brothers and. I was the reason the brothers sinned. She was yelling saying she wouldn't let alittle whore like me bring down her church.. Eve.n when John was caught and PAm told her see she wasn't lying to this day she still believes. It was my fault...... Going back to Dec 25. when she left she told me I was. Thorn in her side that she was removing she spit on the ground and said I will never have the likes of you around ..
Wednesday, February 26, 2014 11:24:00 PM
Lisa said...
The next day still confused. I called Lori told her I needed her. She came over and I told her everything we kind of looked at each other. And she said this year my mom died and your mom left. I was crying she put her arms around me saying will get through this. I learned how to grieve. As if Barbara died. But she was still alive. The 26 of dec Lori and I and my family had white castles it was our Christmas meal... Lori and I would look at each other going Barbara never loved me her mom died she was wonderful. It was like how do we start life Lori looked at me and said one day at a time
Wednesday, February 26, 2014 11:32:00 PM
Lisa said...
I do want to go back and say. My mom did love the children at church but when she babysit them she spanked them as we'll... There was this little blonde boy he dripped jelly on the floor she took a switch to him. Any child that she watch if they made her mad did get a spanking from her.there was a 6month old baby he kept crying she took his diaper off and smacked him on the butt ... If she is watching your child or children they are getting spanked....Barbara was never allowed to be with my little girl. ... She said my child was a spoiled bratt
Wednesday, February 26, 2014 11:39:00 PM
Let's Summarize what happened here. Pam, Lisa and Terry were all children of Barbara Norton Warwick. Pam married Johnny Jordan who was Davis's right hand man, and worked for him in the office. Lisa was Pam's younger sister who had just finished bible school at the age of 14. Terry was their Handicapped brother. Lisa and Terry both lived with Barbara.
Some time shortly after Lisa finished bible school, she was raped by Johnny Jordan, her older sister Pam's Husband. Keep in mind that Pam was still a minor being about 16 years old at the time. Davis was using his position of power to molest Pam while Johnny was working for him. He illegally raped Pam using his finger to penetrate her, while feeling her up. By the way, this makes Davis a child molester and a child rapist according to law. All of the sudden, a couple months later, Lisa is pregnant, and it can't be hidden.
Davis decides to hide his sin and influences Barbara Norton to abandon Lisa who is 15 and pregnant, and to abandon her handicapped son Terry. Davis and his helpers come to their house during Christmas and take everything out of the house that has any value including the Christmas tree and all of the Christmas Presents. They took the furniture, most of Lisa's clothes, her coat, and all of the food out of the house. The Grinch was a saint compared to Davis.
At least the Grinch grew a heart and gave back Christmas. Davis stole girls' innocence by molesting and raping them. He then lied to the congregation about them so that nobody would help them or believe them when they told what he did.
Davis and Barbara Norton told Lisa that she was evil and had the Mark of the beast. They left Lisa and Terry with their beds and one dresser. A pregnant 15 year old Lisa was left with her handicapped brother crying and wondering why he had been abandoned. Although he was 21, Terry had the mind frame of an 8 year old. Having nothing to eat, Lisa went to the store and stole groceries and bought a 2 liter bottle of soda with her last dollar. Lisa and Terry had cold hot dogs and bread on Christmas and drank from the same two liter bottle because Davis the Grinch stole all of their glasses.
When you know all the stories from these girls, and from some others who have shared what Davis did to them, you see this pattern. If Davis can seduce the girl and molest her freely, she can stay and be his sex toy. If his child molesting techniques fail, he discredits the girl and gets her thrown out on the street. In short, with Davis it is:
PUT OUT or GET OUT.
Barbara left Lisa; and Davis had his forked tongue servant, Ashmore, conduct a smear campaign. Ashmore is also a wicked man; and he made it a point to discredit Lisa so that nobody would know what really happened. Ashmore deceitfully and knowingly lied about Lisa, saying she was a whore and a slut; but she was a victim of rape. Lori Kelley, who was also left to fend for herself after her mother died, was Lisa's life-long best friend and they both were disparaged and lied about by Ashmore to cover Davis' sins. Davis hid Johnny Jordan by moving him up to Washington state and thereby covered up Johnny's rape of Lisa. After all, Davis was molesting and raping Johnny Jordan's underage wife Pam; and what would stop Johnny from spilling his guts if Davis outed him?
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"Lisa and I witnessed many things with that
church Ashmore calling us names saying
we're sluts and from the world to stay away
from us and kicked us out of church"
-- shared by Lori K. |
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| Sisters Pam and Lisa back in the day. |
We want these ladies and anyone else torn down by abuse to know, they are more than the liars say. They are precious in God's eyes. Here are a few songs about that.
UPDATE 2-28-2014
Anon a mouse contributed this excellent video and resource info for a group called BACA - Bikers Against Child Abuse. These Bikers dedicate their time to protect and empower children who have been abused.
If you are being molested and or abused get help from outside NTCC:
1) Call the police and tell them about the abuse and that you are in a cult.
2) Call BACA in your area by finding the chapter closest to you:
BACA Chapter Locator: http://bacaworld.org/chapters/
3) DO NOT Tell ANYONE Attending the NTCC - They have a history of attacking victims and of hiding abusers by moving victims, abusers, or both!
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Lisa said...
