A safe place for Xers to share their stories and heal.
A place to learn what it's really like in the ntcc founded by Rodger Wilson Davis;
and run by his son-in-law, Michael Craig Kekel,
the father of the one vasectomy-rule-exception kid in ntcc, Grant Davison Kekel.
Ezekiel 12:11
Say, I 'am' your sign: like as I have done, so shall it be done unto them: they shall remove 'and' go into captivity.
He Loves A House More Than God: Bonco Mansions of kekel (l) and davis (r)
"He loves a house more than God:" *Bonco* Mansions of kekel (l) and davis (r). Meanwhile, on the mission field: ntcc Missionaries to the Philippines "Rev. and Sis. Mackert ... found a place, 9 feet by 14 feet [9'x14'] and one bathroom. It is on the 6th floor and there is no elevator. The last place they had stayed, they had to share a common bathroom with the other tenants! Yikes! This place has their very own private bathroom, although the Rev. shared there is no seat on the throne, and no way to attach one…." from The Devonshire Files Sunday, May 28, 2006 Visit from the Mackerts (5/06). ** Should you know where the money ($$$$$) goes? **
Jesus In The Temple
Matt 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
Matt 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Gal. 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us.
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God does know what we go through. He suffered for us.
Betrayed. Hurt by those who say they love you. Broken. Begin Again:
Tell Your Heart to Beat Again by Danny Gokeyon YouTube
... let God be true, but every man a liar;
Romans 3:4 (partial)
On this day commemorating the Lord's crucifixion, let's remember His sacrifice and look at His resurrection and the great peace He purchased for us. It is finished!
A question that was asked back in the book of Malachi deserves to be answered today. Will a Man Rob God? Many have translated this scripture to mean, "Will a man not pay his tithe". If you are in the ntcc and you do not pay your tithe, you are a God Robber, according to everyone who steps behind an ntcc pulpit. NTCC preachers are all taught to say, "All Christians pay tithe and give in offerings" every time a collection plate makes its rounds in an ntcc church. We've delved into the Old Testament teachings on tithe and pointed out a few facts about tithe that the ntcc will not expound upon:
1. Abraham gave a tenth of his spoils of war (not a tenth of everything he owned) to Melchisedec out of his own free will, not because he was commanded to, years before the law of Moses came into existence.
2. When the law of Moses was passed down to the Children of Israel, every tribe was given an inheritance except for the Levites. They were selected out of all the tribes to perform the service of the tabernacle and execute the laws of Moses pertaining to sacrifices. Tithe was paid once every three years; and it pertained to agricultural gifts, not 10% of everything they owned or every wage they made before anyone else got their greasy hands on it.
3. In the Old Testament tithe money went towards supporting the Son's of Aaron and the priesthood; whose lot was to perform the service of the Levitical order. The Priests had no inheritance - no land. The Agricultural tithe was to feed the Levites, not to get them rich. Tithes were also given to the Stranger, the Widow, and the fatherless according to Dueteronomy 26:12. When is the last time you saw the ntcc GIVE anything to the Stranger, the Widow or the Fatherless?
4. The 'God Robber' doctrine was instituted by the ntcc in an attempt to bring guilt into a person's life if they don't practice giving 10% cash before any deductions. 10% cash before deductions is not taught anywhere in the entire bible. The ntcc used to put signs up near the doors of the main sanctuary in Graham with a picture of a gun pointing at them and the question, "Will a Man Rob God"?
Will a Preacher Man Rob God? Where does your tithe money go? How do you know? Can you look at the church books? Why not? What are they hiding? Does your tithe support the Stranger, the Widow and the Orphan? Or does your leader build himself another mansion and add another luxury car to his collection? Is that what Jesus did?
What does the ntcc say about tithe in the New Testament? I'm glad you asked. The word "Tithe" is mentioned twice in the New Testament. In Mathew 23:23 and Luke 11:42; and in both instances we find Jesus rebuking the Pharisees for making a big show out of it, while neglecting love and judgment. Keep in mind that the law of Moses was not fulfilled until Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice on the cross. So, as Jews, THEY were required to keep the law; but they missed the heart of God - showing love. But we are no longer under the law and therefore not required to pay tithe. "Well," the ntcc-indoctrinee says, "tithe came before the law, when Abraham paid." No. (1) Abraham freely gave a tenth of the spoils of war. (2) Not only that, but other things happened before the law, that we no longer do. Animal sacrifice was instituted in the Garden of Eden when God clothed Adam and Eve with animal skins to cover their sins. Heb 9;22 But we no longer sacrifice animals. You aren't going to go out and kill a goat every time you sin, are you? Don't let ntcc false doctrine dupe you with guilt trips and catch phrases like the following video uses. Search the scripture.
Highlights:
I give all I can
Yes I do, but
I Drive a BMW
You Want to See
My Money Tree
Over in My Big T.V.
Whether You're a King or
Whether You're a Beggar
You're Payin' Your Tithe
Payin' Your Tithe
Big City Spender or
Little Peanut Vendor
You're Paying Your Tithe
Payin' Your Tithe
(Chorus and Bridge)
Ya better Watch What You're Tryin' or
You May Find Yourself A-Fryin'
You Better Pay It / And Don't Delay It
This Sunday (yeah) **Of course, in ntcc it would say "This PAYday (or else)"**
We also find the word "tithes" written a few times in the New Testament. Luke 18:12 is about another Pharisee who brags about paying tithes: "I fast twice a week, I give tithes of all that I possess". But we find that the Publican who said: "Be merciful to me, a sinner" was justified and not the ntcc hypocrite, (or Pharissee), whatever you want to call him.
Unlike Jesus, Who seldom used the words tithe or tithes, NTCC harps on tithe in every service. Unfortunately, the church world is full of preachers willing to twist scriptures in order to get people to cough up their cash into the church coffers; where it disappears into a black hole of no accountability. Just like the NTCC, these religious hucksters fleece their flock ; and they do it with style, and in a manner that targets different audience groups like farmers, rappers, young folks, and even disco dancers. We have dispersed a couple more of these instructional videos throughout the remainder of the post in order to break up the text and provide comic relief. But ask yourself, Are they advocating paying tithe? To whom? What for? And, please, remember the very first cartoon video's instruction that teaches us to ask for scriptural proof of any doctrine.
Highlights:
This video showcases mad rhyming skills and some of the funniest dance sequences with "The Sprinkler", "New Kid", "Hammer-Time" and others. But it's mostly catch phrases, lots of repetitious chanting, some pretty lights and someone else's rap song (Flo Rida's "Low"). Advertisers use these same techniques to sell things. They package them and call them "Jingles" or "Commercials". This video is no different. It is a 4 minute ad that is 'selling' you on the need to pay your tithe, and it is prefaced by a 30 second introduction by the preacher interacting with the performers like a hype man building up a rapper or a Barker introducing the next carnival act. However, there are no New Testament Scriptures that support what these men are teaching by using a catchy tune, repetition, and showmanship. Keep your eyes on Jesus; He is The Word.
Back to our search for tithe in the New Testament: We find the word "Tithes" written 4 times in Hebrews 7:5-9, where the Bible talks about the account again of Abraham paying a tenth of the spoils to Melchisedec. Nowhere in Hebrews 7 will you find a commandment carried forward to New Testament Christians mandating them to pay 10% tithe cash to their churches or pastors. In verse 11 you will find a question:
"If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron"?
If the law of Moses or any of the sacrifices, feasts or tithing rules brought about perfection, why would there be a need for an eternal priesthood in which Jesus would spring up out of the tribe of Judah? And if He required tithe of His followers, why would He not mention tithe as a mandate one time in the New Testament? The only time He did that was when He was speaking to Pharisees who were still bound by the law of Moses to pay tithes. We are not bound by the law of Moses.
The following video had us really laughing. It's artistic and plays on words and emotions. There are also a couple of scenes that are just wrong, even in a joking context. Unfortunately, churches today are using this stuff to fill their coffers; but that is not supported by the New Testament. God never intended tithe to be a way for New Testament 'leaders' to get rich off His people. Tithe has always been about caring for the poor, the widow, and the fatherless.
The ntcc uses a lot of other scriptures that have to do with giving offerings; and they attempt to apply those scriptures to mandatory tithing. But there just is no link to voluntary giving or even taking care of the Pastor with carnal gifts that can be directly linked to tithing. We have never said or advocated anything against giving freely; but when you get a bunch of scamming and conniving con artists telling you that you are a God robber if you don't pay tithe, and that you will die and go to hell for not paying it, you are following a false doctrine. Even the offering that Paul took up in Corinthians 16 which the ntcc uses in their false doctrine bylaws has nothing to do with tithe. It is an offering for the poor saints in Jerusalem, not for a new Recreational Donkey for Paul to ride on.
We have condensed this as much as possible just to give everyone a refresher course on tithing. If it's not in the bible and it's being taught as scripture, then it's called "FALSE DOCTRINE". In the ntcc there is a whole lot of emphasis on paying tithe; but very little is said about where your tithe dollars go. Why do you think that the ntcc is so secretive about their finances? None of you know where your money goes. None of you know where your church members' money goes. If you are a pastor in the ntcc, House of Pancakes, Oops I meant to say House of Prayer, (Denis' Organization), Ashmore's Jesus Revival Ministries and you are being taught to pay tithe you are being taught a false doctrine plain and simple. You are being lied to and conned out of ten percent of your earnings. What you might find even more alarming is where your money is going. Don't you have a right to know? Why would anyone get mad if you asked to see the church books so you could know for sure where your money is going? If you are a pastor in the ntcc and you are teaching your members to pay tithe and calling them God Robbers, or sinners if they don't, or if you are implying in any way that they are going to go to hell if they don't pay it, or if they don't pay it on time, you are a false prophet and a teacher of false doctrine.
If you want to know where the majority of your tithe dollars are going take a look at the mansions at the top of this blog, and take a look at all the $20 bills that are floating around in the blog background (in the Web Version View). That's your money. Shouldn't you know how it is spent? Wait for that quarter million dollar Recreational Vehicle (RV) to roll up in your driveway on your dime. Ask the Overseer where the money came from to pay for him to gallivant across the United States on an all expense paid vacation. If you don't give enough in the offerings, he'll leave right in the middle of revival and find another ntcc brain washing center that will give him and his wife enough money to get to the next place, pay for his RV and go shopping along the way. Go ask Kekel to let you take a look in his garage at the nice cars he owns or to take a tour of his mansion. That's where your money is going. You have heard the Testimonies. The works overseas are struggling and expected to not only pay all of their own expenses but to catch up all of the money that the ntcc leaders say the last preacher owed them. The funny thing is, you don't know that for sure. There is no proof. They don't take you at your word. Why should you take them at their word? Let's crack open those books. Let's see what the previous Pastor has to say for himself. Don't just blindly accept Kekel's or anyone else's word for it. Let's see that proof they're always talking about.
Following is a video of a song that we will use as a primer / introductory look at narcissistic personality disorder.
What Makes A Narcissist Tick By Coomadoug Video Link Click Here 3 min 02 sec
Rodger Wilson Davis
A Textbook Example
Of A Narcissist
Famous Davis Quotes:
"I have no friends!"
"What good are tears?"
"Leave them alone."
"Let them go."
"If you don't like it, there's the door."
"I was here first!"
"I've never missed God!"
"I can't remember the last time I sinned."
"If they don't vote the way I want, they are off the Board."
"All I do is by the Holy Ghost."
"If I wanted to know anything about you, I could just ask gawd; and he would tell Me."
"It's My way or the Highway."
"If My wife leaves me, she goes with just the clothes on her back."
"I wouldn't want another wife. I don't have time to train one."
Heaven and Hell
Hot Ashes For Trees
Hot Air For A Cool Breeze
S.A.D. Similar And Different
Ever notice how two things can be so similar and yet so different? The next two videos really illustrate that. One is by Pink Floyd, one by Third Day. The meter and music are so much alike. But the spirit behind them is VERY different. You can listen to them one at a time. And you can listen to them simultaneously: Start the Pink Floyd song first. After a bit kick off the Third Day song and let them overlap to compare.
As we considered these songs, it struck us how much this resembles the church world today. Many churches exist. They generally all follow a similar pattern. Folks show up and sit and chat. The church leader stands and has everyone else stand. They might open with prayer. They usually sing a song or two. Then music plays as a collection is taken up. Finally someone delivers a message. There might be an invitation to pray and a closing song. Folks leave.
The Difference
So what makes one church different from another? Clearly, The Holy Spirit does. Some churches are very worldly. Overall there is no evidence of the Holy Spirit operating among the leadership. That reminds us of the ntcc. However, God is still God. People who are really seeking Him WILL experience the Holy Spirit's presence, regardless of their surrounding. This seems to confuse some people who really want God and feel that they have to stay in the ntcc in order to experience the Spirit of the Lord. That is not true.
But I FEEL God here.
Sure. God is everywhere. And the Holy Spirit indwells the believer and is present wherever you go. Folks have been taught and trained by the ntcc this cult ideology "God saved you here; Why would you go somewhere else?" That's simple. You should go somewhere that the leaders live what they preach unlike the ntcc. You should go where the leaders follow the example set forth by Jesus. That does not happen in the ntcc.
But I GOT SAVED in this church.
WONDERFUL! God saved you despite them. That doesn't mean you have to stay there. You were born in a hospital. That doesn't mean you spend the rest of your days in one. You move on. You should feel free to worship God wherever He leads you.
You can't make it outside the ntcc!?!
Really? One of the biggest indicators that you are in a cult is if they try to make you feel that you cannot live for God without them and their doctrine. Watch out for groups like ntcc that try to own you like property. That is not of God. They didn't save you. He did. And He will keep you.
A Form Of Godliness
Sure. ntcc looks like many other churches. They look good, like a whited sepulchre; but inside they are full of dead men's bones. They are just like the people God warned us against in 2 Timothy, expecially chapter 3, verse 5:
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2 Timothy 3:5
From Such Turn Away
God is very clear how to deal with such posers. From such turn away. Don't be afraid to leave the ntcc false doctrines and false teachers. God wants you to get out and serve Him in Spirit and in Truth.
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty.
2 Corinthians 3:17
They Just Wanted Their Sin!?!
Really? That is more ntcc cult jargon to make you think badly about anyone who leaves their legalistic imitation of the body of Christ. But don't let the ntcc make you afraid or convince you that liberty equals sin. You don't have to fear liberty or use it as an excuse to sin. The God Who saved you can keep you.
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Romans 6:1
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Romans 6:2
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God [is] faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear [it].
1 Corinthians 10:13
Be Faithful To HIM
And just like God is faithful to give you a "way to escape", He expects you to be faithful to leave such a group as ntcc, commanding "from such withdraw thyself".
Relationship Not Religion
Once you set yourself free from the ntcc and their false doctrines, you will be pleased to find there are many other Christians outside the ntcc. You will find that serving God without the false man-made doctrines of ntcc is so different, so much better. It's like the difference between death and life, black and white, night and day. It's the difference between "heaven and hell" and "hot ashes for trees, hot air for a cool breeze".... It is a Relationship with God, not a man-made religion.
Trust Him
O taste and see that the LORD [is] good: blessed [is] the man [that] trusteth in him.
Psalm 34:8
Don't be afraid to trust in Him. He is able to keep you:
He Will Keep You
I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.
