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Deep in the sticks of the rural Missouri community known as Santa Fe, is a parcel of land known as the New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. National Campground. Deep in the bowels of the Campground is a Lagoon which we will affectionately call "The Poo Pond". Recent upgrades to the Campground have included a brand new Pavilion where ntcc members could come and have cookouts, while they play frisbee and football. The campground has come a long way since the days when everyone had to take care of their business publicly in a wide open bath house with no stalls. Thanks to the X-ers the cries and grumblings of the rebellious ntcc'rs were finally heard by the great R-dub, who finally granted them stalls for privacy, and eventually even had some of the rooms plumbed in with their own restrooms.
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R-Dub really pinched his pennies when it came to the camp ground. That left everyone else pinching their noses so they wouldn't smell the poo fondue!
Kekel has been on record saying that the Campground runs in the red, (from the looks of the poo pond it has been running in the green and brown). I guess neither one - kekel nor davis - had the forethought to put in a septic system. Even the "Curator" of the campground, Dustin Smart, should have seen this coming. They were so caught up in making the Campground a fun place for Christians to play frisbee, and sing songs while they enjoyed the "Ambiance" of the glowing fire that they neglected the basic necessities of the Campground.
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| Frisbee and Volleyball Now Replace Prayer and Revival |
Well it turns out that things have gone in a downward spiral, (kind of like a 'swishy' - the flushing of a gigantic toilet that has your head jammed into it), at the National Campground. The ntcc has had to shut it down and cancel fall 2013 conference; because they have been informed by the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) authorities that they need to install an acceptable septic system.
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| NTCC's Demonic Duo BatBrains and Robbin' 'em Blind Duke It Out Over Who Called The EPA. Now They Have To Cancel Conference. |
Poor God! I guess their god is smaller than the Poo Pond that stands in the way of them having conference. Now that conferences are no longer mandatory, I guess it's too much to expect for the conference attending masses to travel all the way up to Graham. Poor God! I remember when conferences were mandatory and if a preacher couldn't put his finances together to attend, he was humiliated in front of the rest of the assembly, for not having enough faith to make it to conference. People used to wreck their cars driving exhausted so they could make it to conference. Local congregants were blasted in their local churches for not being able to attend. I was one of those that went to every conference. I had faith that God was going to make a way and even went AWOL one time to attend a conference. I got a phone call in Georgia, by my 1SG who told me that if I did not return to Ft. Bragg, I would be facing an Article 15 when I got back. I remember explaining to Davis that they had told me I couldn't go, but they forgot to pull my leave form at PAC. I went to the IG at Ft. Gordon and they made my 1SG stand down, and I escaped narrowly with a butt chewing. I wasn't going to be like those faithless preachers that Davis preached about that didn't have the leadership to make it to conference. Looking back on that whole fiasco, it's hard to believe how stupid we were. Our faith was called in question, but who is there in the ntcc that will question Kekel about his lack of faith for not having a conference.
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There is no limit to the hypocrisy that we see in the ntcc leadership. For the price of one or two recreational vehicles they could have excavated and installed a septic system that would be sufficient to handle the solid waste produced by a few hundred cult members. They think themselves to be apostles but they are nothing like Paul, who said these words in 1 Cor 4:9-12:
"For I think that God hath set forth us the Apostles last, as it were appointed for death: For we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men. We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; We are weak, but ye are strong, Ye are honorable, but we are despised. Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, AND HAVE NO CERTAIN DWELLING PLACE; AND LABOR, WORKING WITH OUR OWN HANDS: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:"Kekel isn't suffering. Neither are the rest of the ntcc Board Members [BMs]. They just don't have their priorities straight. Instead of gallivanting across the country in their Recreational Vehicles, and living in mansions, and taking up collections for Rolex watches and Henry Riffles, when they should be engrossed in the business of God. Paul had no certain dwelling place and he labored working with his own hands. Davis hasn't had employment in 4 or 5 decades, but has been a busybody, in other peoples affairs, jacking them up for being faithless and unbelieving. Like his poo doesn't stink. What a bunch of hypocrites. They are going to build a Pavilion so they can all sing around the campfire, while they stink up the state of Missouri with their own excrement? Surely Johnson, or Gesang or one of the overseer's endued with the wisdom of God should have seen this coming, shouldn't they have? How embarrassing. Even little kids know what to do with poo!
Poop Song-Potty Training
And this is how Kekel announces it:
![The Joker or The Croaker? Like a Bullfrog Stuck in the Muck of a NTCC Poo Pond, New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. CEO mIKe kEKEl Rudely Announced There Will Be No Fall Conference for NTCC in 2013 [See his Quote Below This Photo]](https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEizlTufg5EvUU2QupuU_Bxx6XEnTN1m0Si3Ex4LlEERrebSt3tOP1x-eu03Fjf4P3PTpRoRw18ZglQn1xZYmbwmznWAx7KMXk0mlmVvuwH5O1IP7GHcifVORheKp5Cg7V42z04JO43rUhLt/s1600/JOKER+SO+HERE+YOU+ARE+...+NO+CONFERENCE.jpg "The Joker or The Croaker? Like a Bullfrog Stuck in the Muck of a NTCC Poo Pond, New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. CEO mIKe kEKEl Rudely Announced There Will Be No Fall Conference for NTCC in 2013 [See his Quote Below This Photo]")
"I know that many of you are eagerly awaiting the announcement of details pertaining to our fall conference, so here you are: There will be no conference in the fall of 2013" - NTCC's CEO mIke kEKel, also dubbed mUck FlUSH!
Can you hear the cheers coming from across the land? How many more times do you need to hear, "We are winning!" The new buzz word in the ntcc is SINergy, oops, I meant to say synergy. Synergy which comes from a greek word meaning "Working Together" seems to really mean, ntcc'rs work their butts off while the borg leaders laugh at you, while they enjoy the fruits of your labors. The only "Synergy" you are going to get in the ntcc is a bed of nails, while they "work together" to make your lives miserable, and the onlookers gasp in horror. Kekel's twitter account was lit up by about 10 butt kissing cult members who all said "Sir, we are going to miss conference". God bless you anyway, blah, blah, blah. What's wrong with Washington? What's wrong with Phoenix? What's wrong with St. Louis? Why did God give you all these big buildings, so you can make money by flipping them in shady real estate transactions? What about the big building that you paid $600,000 [more than half a million bucks!!] for in Memphis?
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Apparently Kekel can not "put it together". He just doesn't have enough faith in Gawd to hold a conference. kekel's mismanaged God's resources... They were so busy strumming their ten thousand dollar guitars and playing Frisbee that they forgot to pay attention to the more important matters. It turns out that #2, should have been #1 on their priority list. And speaking of lists:
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42 comments:
Are you tired of being treated like Poo, while the ntcc BM's (Board Members not to be confused with Bowel Movements) don't have enough faith to "make it happen"? Surely they have a building big enough to house the few people that will travel to attend a non-mandatory conference. In all honesty, the ntcc BM's deserve to be treated like they treat you. If you ever get tired of these ntcc cult leaders slinging a bunch of poo at you, than build yourself a big catapult and start slinging it back at them. What will it take for you to stop allowing them to poo all over you? To be totally honest with you, the next time they have a conference or "camp meeting" at the camp ground, you ought to take all the board members to the poo pond and throw them in. That's what they deserve.
They have rebuked you over and over for your lack of faith. They have humiliated many of you in public and they have twisted scriptures to make you think that they deserve to live high on the hog off of your tithe dollars. You are paying these hypocrites to treat you like dung. They are laughing at you and mocking you. They expect you to follow them lock-step in all of their man-made rules while they break the same rules right in front of your faces. How long will you allow yourselves to be played as fools?
WOW!!! I never thought I would see the day that they would be playing volley ball on the campground. Especially when we were blasted for playing basketball at Ft. Gordon. I guess there goes the "love for lost souls."
Wow!! It all makes Cent$ now!! Brother Johnson
I feel quite certain that they will take up another one of their "beloved" offerings to cover the costs of something that should have been taken care of to begin with. Isn't this stupid campground suppose to be some kind of "retreat" for the battle weary? A place of spiritual rest for the footsore and downtrodden? Looking at it like I do now, This is really the absolute height of insult to the people of NTCC. Just the fact that they have skimped on virtually EVERYTHING in the creation of this "Poop-hole"(I could probably get into some trouble with the moderator if I put this in the words that I REALLY want to)because this tells me what R'DUB really thinks about the workers. If anything, this is the 1 place that you DON'T want to skimp on. You want the BEST for people who are coming in. You don't want to create a hardship for people. You WANT to give them something to look forward to when they go there. Why would a person in their right mind even have something like this, and skimp on it like they have. This "CRAMPGROUND" must have been something that was created in the fermented abscesses of somebody's perverted and twisted mind. This is sickening!
I am LOL about the poo pond. That phrase is a good way to describe the way the cult-like leadership operates. Thanks for sharing.
dr
I don't understand how the 'old-timers' who were in the org. back in the day when sports were preached against can sit by and watch these things take place and say nothing and stay in this org. run by hypocrites.
Jim McKay got blasted for letting the brothers in the home at Ft. Riley play football on the afternoon of a fellowship meeting. But kekel's son played football at a private academy prep school that greased the wheels for him to attend a Catholic run university after ntcc preached for years that the Catholics are a cult who pray to idols.
I've got news for you ntcc hypocrites: There are Catholics who bend their knees in front of stone statues that represent Christ's passion on the cross that will be in heaven long before you self-righteous hypocrites whose darkened hearts have no love of God or man. Those sincere Catholics may have missed the mark a bit, but in their hearts they have a pure faith and trust in only the blood of Christ to cleanse them from their sins while you sanctimonious pious hypocrites strain at a gnat and swallow a camel!
What about the holes dug during and after each conference burying garbage? Is that legal?
Brother Johnson said:
Wow!! It all makes Cent$ now!!
DnA said:
That about sums it up in a few short words. It's all about the money. Every decision made in the ntcc revolves around money. This problem could have and should have been addressed years ago. The Poo Pond is just another sticky and stinky mess that the ntcc would have ignored, but I guess some of the neighbors got tired of smelling it. Maybe the rich rulers in Graham were too cheap off season to use the proper chemicals to get rid of the stench, who knows?
I wish that ntccers would wake up. What's it going to take? I mean, many of the loyal followers of Davis and Kekel have all been jacked up for their lack of faith and now they are the ones cancelling conference because a lagoon full of turds is bigger than their God? It seems like somebody would wake up and smell the aroma.
We had a very good phone conversation with a dear friend that summed it up perfectly. "Most of the old timers in the ntcc have nowhere to go". They stay in because they are institutionalized. They are afraid to function outside of the ntcc. They have given too many years, all of their finances and have expended all of their energy trying to please the Borg leaders. They don't have any options. They are totally spent. The longer they stay in, the more hopeless their future seems.
Meanwhile, we are expected by many to sit back and watch in silence. Get on with your life and stop being so bitter. Don't get us wrong we understand why people want to forget all about the ntcc. It's like a nightmare, and people don't want to think about it anymore. In my opinion it's very therapeutic to speak openly about what we went through. Although the majority will not listen, if we can help a few come to grips with what they were really involved in and participate in a small way in their recovery, it is well worth it.
Anonymous said...
I am LOL about the poo pond. That phrase is a good way to describe the way the cult-like leadership operates. Thanks for sharing.
dr
DnA said:
They actually treat people like they are a bunch of turds floating in a lagoon. I'm sorry if that offends anyone. The bible itself uses the words piss and dung, and though they might be unpleasant, they are necessary. It is what it is.
The Campground is a great illustration of how the hierarchy of the ntcc is structured. The road that brings people into the campground presents pleasant views, with beautiful lakes and nice church buildings in a picturesque scene. The Leaders pull up in their recreational Vehicles and stay in the lodge with a lakeside view. The members pull up in their oil puking junkers and are packed into an open bay barracks style shack where they get to sleep on old nasty foam mattresses. The ministers get to sleep next to the poo pond in their "Hotel" and they dare not say a word about it to the powers that be or they will become pulpit fodder.
Apparently conference goers have been fewer in number in recent years since they are no longer mandatory, so Kekel felt it necessary to introduce some fun activities to lure people in. The Pavilion sounds like the brain child of Kekel. Let's give them a couple days of activities such as skits and workshops, to replace prayer and studies, then we will have a cookout, and play Frisbee and Volleyball or Football. We will finish it all off with music as we all sing Kumbaya around the campfire.
Meanwhile, the #2 problem has gotten way out of control, and they are having to build more poo ponds. There are actually more poo ponds than what can be seen in these pictures if you can believe that. It's no wonder that Kekel made this anouncement:
"The Engineer has recommended a 5-year plan for the installation of the Campground’s new sewage system. When the EPA has approved this plan, we can resume usage of the Campground; but that approval could come next week, next month or next year. Because of this uncertainty and the hardship that last minute announcements work on you all, it was decided by the board to forego a Conference this fall."
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Like Kekel has ever cared about anyone's hardship. Notice how he tries to reason that they cancelled the conference because of the hardship that last minute announcements "work on you all"? Like it's your fault that conference was cancelled. How condescending is that? I'm telling you that there is no limit to the hypocrisy. Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.
But you can bet that there will be a conference in the fall of 2014. Perhaps they will have a acceptable poo plan by then.
Mark G. said:
" This "CRAMPGROUND" must have been something that was created in the fermented abscesses of somebody's perverted and twisted mind. This is sickening!"
DnA said,
That's a good way of putting it Mark. It was very perverted especially when they first built it. The Bathhouses were totally open with no stalls or dividers around the toilets or showers. Even in the Lodge there were shared bathrooms between the rooms where guests were expected to shower and poop in front of each other. Very sick and twisted, especially if you are trying to claim holiness as your standard.
Anonymous said...
What about the holes dug during and after each conference burying garbage? Is that legal?
DnA said:
We haven't heard about this yet but it wouldn't surprise me. I'm sure it is not legal to make your own landfill even if it is on your property. Again, if this happened, it probably had something to do with saving money. Do you have any more details about this?
Mark maybe you meant to say this "Crapground?" LOL - it's sad that they allowed this to happen and it is just that, they allowed it. R Dub always bragged of how good he was at buying knew buildings, knowing what to inspect for, knowing what needs to be done. I heard him brag over being able to walk into and see a building and know exactly what it would need and he'd use that for lowballing. There is no doubt he knew this would be needed. I am assuming he probably hoped for a little more time before all their 'crap' caught up to him.
As I read this article, I thought the same thing that you thought Mark - I wonder how many times they will take up offering for this. They'll stick it to them for having the audacity to shower, urinate, and defecate at the campground.
Such a shame. SMH but it doesn't surprise me at all!
As DnA said, I too never missed a conference (with the exception at the end just before I left and the 1 time my I have to go to look good husband couldn't afford to go so I got to stay back and was I happy! while he went to save face). I remember being upset at a few times I almost couldn't make it b/c I didn't want to be shamed.
SHAME ON THEM for letting this happen. Shame on the folks that will help pay for this too instead of expecting the borg to pay for it - they have the money for it afterall!
Pardon me Sir, Do you have any Green Poupon?
Parody of the REM Classic "Everybody Hurts"
MCK said: "I know that many of you are eagerly awaiting the announcement of details pertaining to our fall conference, so here you are: There will be no conference in the fall of 2013"
I kept thinking about it - do any of the people currently in ntcc see the attitude in the way he wrote this? I mean seriously - I can hear is whiny little attitude as he said or wrote this I mean serioiusly. It's just so rude and so MCK! For a "Called Administator" where is the professionalism? Where is the caring? Certainly nothing kind comes from his announcement, just snarly little sarcasm.
If there were any ounce of care and love in his heart, he'd know that. If there were any ounce of love or care in his heart, the church wouldn't the way it is. Ok, I'm just sayin . . . . . .
Kekel wrote:
"So here you are".
Anon wrote:
So here you are Kekel the Con Artist: "You are a prick". And you NTCCers are dummies for sticking around a sorry organization who's CEO could care less about you. So here you are NTCCers: You are a bunch of suckers. There you are. You are what you are. You got to be a complete IDIOT to continue to follow Kekel. Jesus was certainly right. The blind following the blind and both shalt fall into the Poo pond. LOL.
There is a sucker born every day. So there you are. LOL.
It seems to me that if putting in a septic tank is that involved, then it is probably going to be somewhat costly. It would not surprise me in the least if the Church does not just go ahead and sell the property and cut their losses. I complain about the government from time to time,and some of my complaints have to do with all the laws and rules that they have in place. In this particular case I am glad that their are laws enacted to protect the weaker people from the wealthier. RW Davis and Mike Kekel would be perfectly content to not do a thing about the septic tank and just go from one "poo" pond to another "poo" pond and never spend the money. It would not matter to either of them insofar as the smell is concerned, or the germs and disease that could potentially be carried by not putting one in. I mean, we are talking about open sewage here,aren't we? If they do put one in you can be sure that it will JUST be within regulations and that it will be just barely big enough to do the job. If they can get by with the smallest one on the market, they will go that route even if it has problems. They will do just what they have to do to be within regulations, and not a penny more.
Mark G. said,
"They will do just what they have to do to be within regulations, and not a penny more."
Don and Ange say,
They won't even do that... In Washington they are required by law to put a washer dryer hookup in each building they use as a dorm.
So they put one in - until the building inspector comes through. After he signs off on the project, they take the hook-up out and cap the lines. Then they use the same hook-up plumbing part for the next project. I saw this with my own two eyes. Eric Barden showed me the part and explained how they work their lie. gesang is just davis' dog (of the female persuasion) to do his lying for him and be the fall guy if they get caught.
They are liars lying to themselves, the inspector, God and everyone else. gesang should not call the ntcc building crew "gesang enterprises". He should call it "gesang fabrications" so it would accurately reflect the lies they fabricate. ALL liars go... you know!
I really believe all those dorms are a lie too. When gesang files for building permits, that liar says the buildings are "single family dwellings". NO THEY AREN'T!
The dorms are RENTAL UNITS often housing TEN PEOPLE per unit, each one PAYING RENT - in CASH ONLY, NO RECEIPTS!
Then that mulli-grubbing hypocrite kekel gets up and whines about how "Any increase [in dorm rental rates] is caused by the need to pay property taxes." What? Why is so-called non-profit getting rent on all those buildings? kekel, the ntcc ceo, has so much money he purchased a $250,000.00 car, the McLaren SLR, to sit in a garage and collect dust. Don't tell me that being the CEO of a non-profit enabled that. It doesn't add up! ntcc is just a scam to cover up a real estate corporation.
Anonymous was right. You people in ntcc have to be idiots to know these things and stay in the borg. Hope you like green, coz you're headed down the road to the Poo Pond for sure!
The Lord must not care too much about conference or he would have warned them in advance about the Poo Pond. The Lord must have been too busy the day the Poo Pond was installed to see the future.
"So here you are"... Stop bugging me about conference because there's not going to be one. Good grief I wish them pawns would stop bothering me about stuff like conferences. There's not going to be a conference so stop bothering me about such stuff. There, there's your answer now let me go back to my fat house and my nice automobile. This will give us a chance to go visit Grant's Catholic college anyway.
"So here you are"!!! And stop bothering me would ya? Don't you know who I am? I got three titles. Poo pond proprietor, slum lord and president of the school of rules the likes of which I don't follow anyway because they don't pertain to me and my family. "So there you are and for the last time stop worrying me about whether or not there is going to be a stinking conference. You should have saved your money so you wouldn't have to worry about it you bunch of knot heads.
"So here you are" and that's what Kekel thinks about you but you NTCCers who are too blind to see it. Why do you think he wrote, "So here you are"? Now get back out there soul winning so we can rake in enough money to fix the poo pond problem so you all can stop bugging Kekel about "whether or not there is going to be a stinking conference". GOOD GRIEF. And don't forget the tithe check while you're at it.
Holy BatBrains! WHO called the EPA?
Lol @ Poo Pond Proprieter..... you are funny my friend. I'd write more but laughing too hard....
Let me explain something to you ntcc sheeple:
An individual who will manipulate you, trying to get you to sin and do his lying for him, is NOT a pastor. He is punking you out and pimping you, your wife, your kids. He is setting you up to be the fall-guy. And he will be visiting your second wife with impure intentions (didn't the past teach you anything?) while you sit in prison for perjury.
If you're going to bend over and let davis punk you out like that, davis might as well turn his pant's pockets inside out and have you hold the corner as you shuffle along behind him like a prison B*****. You're not a man. You're not serving God. You're a sheeple who needs to be set free and grow a spine that won't let you sin to please your massah davis. GET REAL!
Robbin them blind said, "Who called the EPA on them"?
DNA said:
My guess would be the neighbors got tired of smelling the ntcc poo. It must have overpowered the stench of any livestock in the area. So here you are. The EPA wants a kekel krap killing plan to be put in place before the poo ponds overflow.
Tales from the "Poos Pond"
(Not to be confused with "Tales from the Crypt")
This could be the beginnings of a Steven King movie, Or a "Faces of Death" series. CORRECTION: FECES of Death! Wow, I mean, the mixing of all of that cheap junk food excrement together, and letting it simmer and fester in 90+ degree temperature and the smell wafting in the open air. If somebody wants to lose weight, then here is the EASY way! No more Jenny Craig, or Adkins diet. People could start going out there as a way to lose weight. R'Dub and Kekel could charge a fee. I suppose that this is one way that they can stem the tide of families lost and bring in some profits for the organization. On a more serious not: Perhaps it was not the neighbors at all who called the EPA. it might have been somebody within the organization who simply got tired of smelling.......Poopies.
Condescending Kekel the Con Artist wrote...
"I know that many of you are eagerly awaiting the announcement of details pertaining to our fall conference, so here you are: There will be no conference in the fall of 2013"
Anon wrote...
Now to paraphrase and show what Kekel was saying. Kekel only elected to use minimal restraint concerning his true feelings surrounding his announcement.
"Many of you losers have been bugging me and Olson about whether or not there will be a fall conference so here's your answer, so you can stop bothering me about this matter will ya? Don't you know I'm busy counting all your money? Good grief!!! So here you are, there ain't going to be a conference, sheesh?"
Anon said...
Now let me explain how I came to this conclusion. Kekel wrote, "I know" that many of you are eagerly awaiting". When he wrote "I know", he said that because he and or Olson had obviously been asked by "many" people which is how he could write "I know". When he wrote "eagerly" he was showing a degree of impatience on the part of the people waiting for the announcement. Kind of like a kid waiting to open his Christmas presents by continually asking, "Daddy, can we open our presents now?" Then he wrote, "so here you are". Why did he select those specific words? I know why because I'm a parent. If my son kept asking me if he could do something and he asked over and over and over, eventually I could be like, "Look, you want an answer? Here you are, NO!!!!"
And that explains why Kekel was so straight and to the point concerning his answer. He was tired of being bugged so finally he wrote very directly, "There will be NO conference". What he was saying was, Stop bugging and leave me along about this subject, THERE, YOU HAVE YOUR ANSWER NOW.
You NTCCers are the biggest pushovers and suckers and pawns that I have ever met in my entire life. Then some of you even thanked him for his rude abrupt careless answer like he was doing you a favor. Well I know that many of you are eagerly awaiting a chance to see Kekel in conference to you can say, "God bless you PASTOR Kekel" and shake his sorry hand while he looks at you with utter disdain. So there you are you bunch of suckers. You have your answer now so stop worrying about conference and get back out there knocking on doors. Don't you know it takes money to pay for Grant Kekel's expenses at his Catholic college?
You NTCCers are by far the most gullible that I've EVER met in my entire life. You think Kekel is going to lead you to heaven? Kekel is a bum and so is his daddy in law. His wife is a spoiled brat. Kekel and his wife are the most sorry excuses of so called "Christians" that I've ever had the displeasure of knowing in my entire life without exception.
Mark G., you seriously made me laugh out loud with that "Feces of Death" quip! Nice.
Wow! These anonymous contributions are right on the money in the way that they interpret kekel's sorry, sanctimonious, attitude in answering the conference inquiries!
I wonder what tonight's message in Graham will be about?
I think he knows by now that nobody really cares about their stupid conferences. All that ever happens is you end up having to spend money that you don't have in the first place, Put wear and tear on an already used up car that should have been traded in 3 or 4 years ago just to spend $25.00 a night to be able to smell an open sewer and be forced to use the bathroom in front of other people. I mean, really, who the hell wants to go thru that!It's like, I've got a church to run! I don't have time for anything else! This is a monumental waste of time for the people, and they know it. it is, however, somewhat of a money maker for the organization.
According to Kekel, they lose money during conferences. Somehow I doubt it. I remember one conference where they raised about 200K in so called "world missions" donations. Now whether or not they ever received all that money is another story because no doubt some people left who made pledges or simply never paid their pledge. Either way, they certainly raised a bunch of pledge money and if they could pay $20,000 a year to put Grant through HIGH SCHOOL they had plenty of money coming in from other places. The NTCC spends money on what they want to spend money on. Cars, RVs, property, real estate, guns, watches, hard wood floors, expensive trees to line their property etc. I wish I had a bunch of suckers who wanted to give me money so I could buy all that stuff. It wouldn't bother me because Christian suckers think it's there duty to give away their money with no regard as to how it's spent. Pastors world wide have been very good at convincing their congregates to blindly give their money to the church with absolutely no regard to how it's spent.
When you give your money "as unto the Lord" it's not your concern if we spend it on guns, watches, private schooling, RVs, fancy furniture etc. Simply shut your brain off and give blindly and we'll take care of the rest because we can be trusted, right? WRONG. Show me ONE SINGLE PLACE in the New Testament where contributions were spent in such a manner. Contributions and collections were given to the poor and needy 1 Cor 16.
And that's why so many NTCCers are so broke. Because they are stupid and God knows they are stupid and that they are being used. You see that's hardly happening in just the NTCC. Religious organizations have figured out how to get over on everyone to include the Federal Government so what's the use. It ain't going to stop. Organizations like the Catholic church are entirely too powerful and as small as they may be, so is the NTCC. So big deal, conference is postponed. I'll bet the org leaders will have the churches take up pledges for world missions anyway and they won't have to travel to do it. And they'll have them either take up offerings or pledges for the upkeep of the camp ground which will include fixing the Poo Pond. So the Borg leaders will compel the dummies to give their money away one way or the other conference or no conference. I've seen it happen too many times and revivals are no more than another money making scheme and if you haven't figured that out you are a dumb blind idiot.
Anonymous said,
"so what's the use"
We hear you, Anon. But the answer is simple. We expose the ntcc for what they are, doing so "as unto the Lord", believing it is His will. You see, God always has a witness. What people do with the truth is between them and God.
Is there an end? The war between good and evil will continue until God establishes His will on the earth. Will individual soldiers be discharged from the war? Sure. Mankind does that all the time. People join the military and serve, often in combat, and eventually are discharged, usually with honors. Our service to God, I believe, is a living experience. He can be touched by our infirmities, comfort us, strengthen us, and even re-make us as the potter does the clay on the wheel.
In all this, God get's the glory.
Ahh, Mark G., you have touched upon the very crux of the matter with these thoughts:
"Isn't this stupid campground suppose to be some kind of "retreat" for the battle weary? A place of spiritual rest for the footsore and downtrodden?"
In theory, yes; that is exactly what the campground is supposed to be. Even the ntcc borgites give lip service to that concept. But like everything else those hypocrites say, they do the opposite. When Diana and Rich Hampton needed comfort, they were left out in the cold, disfellowshipped by davis who often came out to the campground but refused to attend the Hampton's ntcc chapel 15 miles from the camp. Not exactly the loving actions of a loving pastor or man of God. But a perfect example of how ntcc is. They say, and do not. The leaders are lip-service, "Lord, Lord" hypocrites who dishonor God at every opportunity, putting their own selfish materialistic agendas ahead of the souls whom Christ died for. May God require it of them.
More quotes:
Mark G. said, "This is a monumental waste of time for the people, and they know it. it is, however, somewhat of a money maker for the organization."
Anon. said, "So the Borg leaders will compel the dummies to give their money away one way or the other conference or no conference. I've seen it happen too many times and revivals are no more than another money making scheme"
Commentary:
B-I-N-G-O, B-I-N-G-0, B-I-N-G-O, and BINGO was his name, OH!
You two win the prize for cutting through the poo pie to the heart of the ntcc:
Money, money, money, money, money, MONEY! (You know the song.) Dressing their money-making schemes in robes of religion does not change that the ntcc is only about the money.
"Well," says the mind-controlled borgite, "I don't care how much money the man of God has."
Frankly, we say, neither do we. But who says the borg wolves-in-wool- (sheep-clothing) board members are men of God?
* They don't act like God. * They don't talk like God. * They don't love like God.
How are they "of God"???
Very simply, they are NOT "of God".
"But, but," sputters the mind-controlled borgite, "Just look at all they have."
*sigh*
Materialistic wealth is not an indicator of salvation or godliness.
The bible warns us against thinking that way or keeping company with those who do:
1 Tim 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
Those are very clear instructions. Get a clue so you will know what to do.
I hope that the time will come when all of the webcams are live/real time. That would make things more interesting. They have some camera's like that here in the Phoenix Metropolitan area. Some of you are like........? I was just looking at the link on the homepage to some of the webcams. Washington is my favorite State to visit.
That's cool, Mark G. We actually got the webcam links or idea from Bruce Smith's The Mountain News - WA
We just figured out how to pay for the septic system at the camp ground so they can have conference next year.
Install a dunking booth right smack dab in the middle of the poo pond. Place the Board Memebers in the dunking booth, one at a time, and sell baseballs to everyone that has been ripped off by the ntcc. All you'd have to do is install a platform with a trap door and a cage around it.
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