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| It Doesn't Take Long for Life to go from Happy to Crappy in the ntcc |
Pug Jumping a Log Fail
One out of a hundred stay in the ntcc for more than a couple years, and that is a conservative estimate. Poor God. God is not able to keep all of those souls in the ntcc. The ones that stay for any length of time end up trapped in a religious routine where everything they do is patterned after the hollow souls of the morally corrupt cult leaders they follow. The joy of the Lord is sucked out of them as they conform to a bunch of rules that aren't even in the bible. They don't even realize why they do the things that they do. For example: It's payday! Let's all go cash our checks right away so we can pay our cult leader for our salvation. Let's completely shut off our brains while we listen to our cult leaders take Old Testament scriptures out of context and apply them to our lives. Let's force ourselves to dress a certain way and imitate our religious leaders by wearing the exact same clothing. Let's go to the kook store (secondhand store) and buy another outfit for five bucks so we can have more money to give our lazy, non-working, non-praying, religious huckster who calls himself a pastor. Let's isolate ourselves from our family and friends so we can focus on living by the letter of the law.
It's no wonder people are so beat down and worn out in the ntcc. There is really not a lot to live for. Let's drive by The Bonco and see if we can get a glimpse of the mansions that our cult leaders live in, all thanks to our endless supply of tithe dollars; and we can dream of the day that is promised to us that, if we continue to sacrifice, one day God will bless us as He has blessed them. Only that one day will never come as long as you stay in the ntcc. Gag, choke, puke. Hey, let's save up some money so we can get a vasectomy and deprive ourselves and our wives of any hope of having a family. That's a good idea. Maybe the task masters will see our sacrifice and show us a little favor. Meanwhile all of our task masters have children. Some (davis) have even adopted what may be his own illegitimate daughter (tanya kekel) from a possible affair with a Filipino woman.... Hmmm. Now we know why davis taught the false doctrine that children hinder the work of the Lawd.
If you are in the ntcc, and you are reading this, you need to wake up! Turn on your brain and ask God why you are following a bunch of money grubbing hypocrites. Where has the joy gone? Why is it such a chore and a burden to go to church and go through the motions? Five church services a week, but it's not doing anything for you. Five church services a week, and you are no more spiritual than a dung beetle. Five church services a week, and you can't even attend a relative's funeral or wedding without asking your pastor. If anything, it's torturing your soul.
You sing the same worn out songs over and over. You listen to the same worn out messages over and over. You watch people come and you watch people go. The only ones that stay around for any length of time are the ones that profit off of your misery; and they demonstrate the opposite of what Jesus demonstrated to the world. The poor are left behind. The ones with money either give so much that they can barely provide for their own families, or they pinch pennies to obtain the praise of their cult leaders. And yes, they are cult leaders. The ntcc is a cult, contrary to popular belief. Sure, they preach Christ. But they abuse the members, and that's what makes them a cult. Just look at the results in the lives of ntccers:
The love at first becomes indifference, and eventually becomes hate for anyone who doesn't agree with the twisted ntcc doctrine that everyone forces themselves to obey. In ntcc you are trained to hate the Baptists, the Catholics, the Charismatics, the Methodists ,the Presbyterians, the sinners, the God haters, the poor, the outcast, the downtrodden, the non-tithe payers, the pants-wearing women, the shorts-wearing men and everyone who doesn't accept your twisted ntcc view of the bible. You are left with an empty and plastic smile that you have learned to wear no matter how carnal you become.
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| This "Holiness" Woman Truck Driver Angrily Screamed at a Guy on the other Side of the Warehouse for Cursing |
I saw a "holiness" woman not long ago who was a truck driver. She wore all the frumpy garb that the ntcc women wear; and she was miserable. Some guys were cursing; and she angrily screamed at them from across the warehouse to stop cursing. From the time she got there, until the time she left, she was very unpleasant -- the opposite of how you would expect a Christian to be. She almost got run over by a forklift; because she was so oblivious to her own surroundings and in so much turmoil trying to correct others. She was a tortured soul, like many in the ntcc. We've seen it first hand over and over again in the ntcc. You can't really enjoy your salvation if it's based on false doctrine and tainted with toxic rules. If you are enabling your cult leaders to get rich while they preach false doctrine supported by twisted scriptures, you can only have so much joy and peace.
The new ntcc ministers want to set the world on fire. Some of them are very sincere; but they don't have a clue what they are actually doing to people. They pray; and they win souls. They reach people with the gospel; and these people are happy to be a part of the program. These new fragile souls are impressionable; and they are willing to do anything to conform in many cases. From the very beginning they are taught ntcc style Christianity; and later the majority of these unlearned zealous Christians with good intentions are handed off to the ntcc brainwashing academy, so they can learn to brainwash others and be just like the ones who manipulated them for personal gain. The most important doctrine they are taught is tithe. If you don't pay tithe in the ntcc, you can't be a Christian. This is false, corrupt doctrine. It's no different then requiring Christians to offer animal sacrifices. It's Old Testament law and is not required of anyone in the New Testament.
Galatians 3:19 "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator."
What more needs to be said? The ntcc has taken something pure and simple and manipulated it for their own greed and profit. So why do folks ignore the bible and follow these false prophets who pervert the gospel for their own gain? It's called indoctrination and brainwashing. It's all about money and numbers. It's an age old form of spiritual manipulation used by many other religious groups and cults. How convenient to change tithe from agricultural gifts to monetary gifts and bring it over into the New Testament as if they are Levitical Priests and then tell people that they will die and go to hell if they don't pay it. You got to completely shut off your brain to give 10% of your income to these Money Grubbers.
Support Your Local Huckster!!!!!
Not saying that tithe is sound doctrine in any sense, but if you were going to pay it like a weekly bill to someone, it should go to your local huckster and not to the Fat Cats in Graham that are living large. If you were to agree on using tithe as a means to support your local church and there was transparency and accountability, without ultimatums of missing the rapture or spending eternity in the lake of fire, it would still be a ritual; but at least you wouldn't be enabling the fat cats in Graham and you would be able to see where your money was going. The reason there is no transparency is because they don't want you to know where your money is going. The reason they threaten you with hell is because they don't want your tithe dollars to stop rolling in. The reason that they add "holier than thou" doctrines is to keep people busy and occupied so they won't have time or money to do anything else.
You decide. Is this really what living for Jesus is all about? It's really simple. Did Jesus ever tell the masses that they would die and go to hell if they didn't pay tithe? Why should we listen to anyone else. If you want to be a Christian, do the things that Jesus taught. If it was good enough for the the masses who followed Him, it's good enough for us.
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| Another ntcc Fat Cat Counting Tithe Dollars |
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I just stumbled across the Graham NTCC soul winning twitter account. If you read through the posts you see how controlling and demanding the leadership is to this day. They fool themselves into thinking the reason they are not growing is to blame the people for not following up. Really?
https://twitter.com/TheFriendsofGod
Not sure who runs that twitter page, but they type like middle school children. Do they teach basic typing skills at the ntcs? The twitter page entries look like teenage text messages. "Lets show up prepared 4 very organized thorough follow up. Without follow up u will not be successful." 4 and u? Really? or "Follow up is vital 2 a successful work. Use the opportunity 2 help change someones eternity. Follow up & make sure they'll be coming 2morow". The word "To" is replaced with 2 to save one extra letter. That's no big deal but it is funny. They act like they are so well educated.
The sad thing about this whole program is that the underlying purpose of it all is to bring in more tithe payers. They have a Graham ntcs page that informs brain washing academy students about upcoming events also, such as class times, cancelled classes, cancelled functions, potluck dinners and cookie exchanges. There is nothing wrong with all this stuff other than it's hypocritical for an organization who used to preach against these kinds of functions to sell out those "wholesome" values. When you add the fact that Kekel, who now calls himself "pastor", (try not to vomit at the thought of that), is getting rich off of this, it just goes to show you what they are really all about. If Kekel was right with God, and not in it for the money, we wouldn't have anything to say about all this. The ntcc is corrupt. The seminary is corrupt. Money is being made off of these students. They are being trained to bring in more tithe payers. They use the Mormon model to get people out to church and Kekel, Kinson and the rest of the hucksters convert them into tithe paying suckers and brain washed cult members. Meanwhile the ntcs students are being trained to be just like the ones who are brainwashing them.
Seen this tweet on the account...
"We gain customers just being out & about, but we grow our business with proper & thorough follow up. Let us be about our Father's business."
About says it all. Soul winning is about "customers".
Eric
It's tough to even read the bible anymore. I don't want to stumble upon what was constantly preached. I don't want to hear about "the whole armor of god" because they beat it into our heads. I don't want to hear about "fathers business" because of the same reason...
If I ever hear the song "I'll Fly Away" I might just vomit.
It's like PTSD or something.
It probably is PTSD. You can look at the symptoms online. Give yourself time to heal. It's okay to avoid the "triggers" - things that take you back mentally to the borg abuse. But try to remember, too, that God is nothing like them. We think that you will find that as you learn to live again, that God will be speaking comfort to you in new ways. It may be a song, a scene in a movie, a memory of your pre-borg life, or some other thing. But God will be there for you in a way that shows you His love is unconditional and His grace is enough.
In the ntcc we were trained to think we had to do certain things to keep God's love for us. They will try to deny that. But all their works say otherwise. They are constantly heaping heavy burdens on the saints. Just know that God gives salvation freely. He gave it to you, nobody can take you out of the Father's hand. Once you learn that, there's great peace. It helps you recognize the lies of the enemy. Here are some truths:
God's voice stills you. satan rushes you.
God's voice leads you. satan pushes you.
God's voice reassures you. satan accuses you.
God's voice comforts you. satan frightens you.
God's voice enlightens you. satan confuses you.
God's voice convicts you. satan condemns you.
If you have children, or a pet, think of how much you love them and know that God loves you even more than that. If you don't have a pet, we recommend bringing one into your life. There's so much to be said for the unconditional love and companionship of a pet. Find things in life you enjoy doing. Go fishing. Read a book. Watch a film. Visit a museum. Go to a zoo. Take time enjoy this beautiful creation that God's created for us. Learn to live again outside of the box that ntcc put us in. Take back your freedom in Christ to follow Him, not some man. Enjoy your family. Reconnect with friends you may have lost touch with during your time in the ntcc. All these things will help you return to the freedom the ntcc stole from you.
Greed (OE grǽdum) is an inordinate or insatiable longing, especially for wealth, status, and power. As secular psychological concept, greed is an inordinate desire to acquire or possess more than one needs.
NTCC is so greedy. Greedy with and for your money; your time, your identity, your will, they want it all. They want to squeeze you dry and then blame you for running dry.
They get their claws into someone like Bro. Eric Granger (whom I might add was/is a very intelligent and capable individual) then loose his confidence because of their greed. I believe he has stated he left after learning about the misappropriated 40 acres.
So someone like Eric leaves. They loose a good man who could easily have several hundred people in his church by now. So instead of churches full of people, NTCC ends up with a handful of people holding (and spending)all the money and churches full of empty pews.
Then the leadership takes the people who are still around and drive them into the ground being greedy with the people's time. Several hours twice a week for finding "new customers"; Monday night "prayer meeting" (walking in circles looking at everybody else - what a joke) Tuesday "Bible study" (indoctrination)Thursday "Church Service" (mental manipulation - break your will/self identity) Saturday - this one is starting to cave in some places - but many still have a "church service" - if they do not; the leaders will try to find a way to use you and your time and money on Saturday anyway. Sunday - well now you know they got you twice on Sunday -sometimes they keep you going all day on Sunday.
Who can say these people are not greedy with your time?
They don't win souls; they trap them.
I feel inspired to talk about Michael Fontenot. This guy was mentally unstable; possibly bi-polar. I hate to throw around diagnosis' like that because NTCC uses mental illness against people they are attempting to slander for leaving the church.
However, I knew this guy very well. I know from first hand experience the dude was super intelligent and super messed up in the head many years before he became a child rapist and went to prison. The thing about MF is he was smart enough to hind his illness from almost everyone; but the leadership had to know. I knew he was messed up the head and I did what I thought was my duty at the time, and reported him to more than one board member. Nothing was ever done; because MF gave the org his all in some twisted attempt to hope God would have mercy on him and "deliver" him from his mental issues.
He told me he was "supposed" to take medicine for his mental illness; but instead he was "believing God" for "healing" (these people owned this guy's soul - he trusted in doing anything they asked or even hinted at as a desire - to what??? - to heal him of a serious medical condition - he trusted these people to take care of him more than going to an actual medical Doctor; someone who could prescribe medicine with a proven track record of helping people in his situation.
Think about this poor guy before he was driven to become a monster locked away in a cage... A literal genius; extremely talented artist, a musician, (I will not include teacher - because teaching at NTCS does not count, seriously).
So this young GI gets involved with this cult over in Germany. He marries a young Germany lady. They have a son together. Life could have been so great for this precious little family. The only problem was MF's involvement with this cult called NTCC. Like I said, they owned his soul. His young bride's dream of coming to America was ruined when she meet these creeps and could see right through their sham. Young mothers have a special strength and perception due to their protective instinct.
Surely, she wanted MF to take her away so they could live a normal life. Unfortunately, MF let her go and take her child away from the cult and he chose to stay. This "proved" his loyalty to the cult and it's leadership. This kind of behavior always elevates people in NTCC.
MF found another young lady. This time an American, not a "godless" German as they were often referred as from NTCC pulpits for a period of time (I don't think they do they it too much nowadays, but they might).
Anyway, it was a fresh start for MF. This time his new bride gave him a baby girl. I really do not want to say too much about how he destroyed her - but the fact is he did.
It seems to me by looking at MF's life, he bought into NTCC's offers of false hope. Ultimately this placed a pivotal roll in the destruction of someone who had so much promise BEFORE he became involved in this cult. Now a monster in a cage, no doubt MF is tormented everyday with guilt, shame, fear, confusion, by twisted theological doctrine drill into him through his involvement with NTCC and a multitude of other things brought on by suffering through 20 plus years of living for that cult.
NTCC will deny it with their dying breath, but they played a major roll in destroying this man and his family; not once, but twice.
His example may seem extreme, and it is true most are not driven to such an awful end. However all suffer to some degree due to their involvement with this so called church that operates on a business model that is pay to play. If you want to be around this people they will find a way to get something out of you. In the case of MF they owned his soul - but the "salvation" they offer never really helped him. What did all those church services do for him? How did all the money he gave help him? What good did all the time he gave them do for him?
MF just a monster sitting in a cage.
Anonymous said:
" So instead of churches full of people, NTCC ends up with a handful of people holding (and spending)all the money and churches full of empty pews."
DNA said:
Basically what you have is just enough people in each building to pay for that building so the ntcc can collect rent and eventually flip it for profit, zero out the escrow, while extracting tithe and other designated offerings from a small vestige of decent people who think that it's all about God. It is greed. Pure greed. What a great scam they are running. They are such godly people, are they not? No they are not. Have you ever heard an ntcc'r talk about how God has blessed them for paying tithe? Yet they have nothing. Any "blessings" they might perceive as coming from God they give right back in the offerings. They double down hoping for the mother load of blessings that never comes. People like Kekel and Davis are the ones who get the mother load of "blessings". They have used your money to engorge themselves with the finer things in life, while you praise God because the gas prices dropped to $1.70 per gallon. What a blessing! They spray you with their froth as they preach tithe and judgment to you so you will keep on giving and giving and giving. They are sponges and leaches on the body of Christ.
"MF just a monster sitting in a cage."
Anonymous said:
MF was in an supportive environment that festered those type of actions/inactions.
I know I'd asked a question a long time ago about how these environments foster child abusers... Watch Spotlight. 6% of Catholic Priests could be pedophiles. 87 just in Boston.
They hid their own just like the NTCC.
I have to agree about NTCC hiding their own. However, I think we should clarify a few things . First, every motive behind every action NTCC takes as an organization is a process of weighing the pro's and con's as far as what is best for NTCC and the image they are so eager to protect. (The organization and it's image are worshiped in this cult - so much so that the NTCC org. itself takes the place of God in many of these peoples lives)
Secondly, once the motives and potential actions are weighed; they are again examined in relation to how much good the situation can do for or eventually bring to the org.
Only when it is best for the org in the eyes of the leadership, only then will they act to protect someone; or be a "blessing" to someone.
Everything NTCC does is calculated to produce a profit for the leaders. If they are making money on it; then they are happy.
When they see no future in something, or someone; they will drop you like a hot potato. It does not matter how many years of faithful service you have given. The day you decide to stand up for yourself, or to take some time for yourself or simply stop to take care of yourself... they will challenge you, they will come after you in the name of "insubordination" (just more slander to make someone look bad).
Ok, so sure, they protect their own. But only when they can expect something in return. If you can't or won't give them everything they demand of you; then they will kick you to the curb like a piece of trash.
Has anyone else out there ever felt like they were treated like a piece of trash by the NTCC or it's leadership?
Anyone feel like sharing what happened to them and possibly helping someone else see that they were not the only one?
Reading the NTCC website just makes me want to throw up. It makes me sick. When they talk of what the church does "We do I'm sorrys". No they don't!!! When speaking of children saying "God has entrusted us with the smallest and weakest lambs...." it just makes my stomach turn. Some call me bitter. No I just wise to what they are all about.
Anonymous said...
I know I'd asked a question a long time ago about how these environments foster child abusers... Watch Spotlight. 6% of Catholic Priests could be pedophiles. 87 just in Boston.
They hid their own just like the NTCC.
Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:33:00 AM Delete
DNA said:
For every one pedophile that has been exposed in the ntcc there most likely have been scores of them who are protected and haven't been caught. The Catholic church kept enough public records of the Priests who were being protected that the Spotlight investigative team was able to put the pieces of the puzzle together. The ntcc is much more careful about protecting their pedophiles and their image. Many think that the Catholics hid their pedophiles to protect their own image and I'm sure that was one driving force, but you have to ask yourself if there were more pedophiles higher up in church hierarchy that were trying to hide and protect their own hides. In the case of the ntcc, we have found that it started at the very top. How many witnesses do you need? The bible says two or three. The ntcc would not accept an allegation of rape, incest, adultery, fornication, child molestation or child abuse unless there were two or three witnesses and there were quite a few who have come forward and shared their past publicly. But we are all just bitter Xers, what do we know?
Anonymous said...
Has anyone else out there ever felt like they were treated like a piece of trash by the NTCC or it's leadership?
Anyone feel like sharing what happened to them and possibly helping someone else see that they were not the only one?
DNA said:
Those are very good questions and ones that we have asked several times. Unfortunately when people have stepped up to the plate and shared what they have been through, they were scrutinized more by their own than they were by the ntcc. The ntcc remained almost completely silent when they were faced with credible allegations from several witnesses that publicly revealed their past. Ashmore has remained completely silent about all of the allegations facing him, also. Meanwhile there were people in the Xer community who wanted to burn the victims at the stake. It was more effective for the ntcc to remain silent, and allow the enemy from within to attempt to tear down the credibility of those who stood up against them. We asked for them to come forward and they put themselves out there to help expose an evil cult. We had to moderate our blog because of people like Donny Ridgeway that had nothing but hate and venom to spread. After contacting us years before Julie ever shared her experiences on our blog Donny emailed us and opined about how horrible the ntcc was and even ranted about putting a bullet in someone's head. Now he is whoring after Ashmore, just like many other Xers. People just don't learn.
Saying all that, it's understandable why former ntcc members don't want to share their past on a public blog. We believe that what has been shared has helped quite a few people because they know that they are not alone. When they realize that other people have dealt with these issues and they are working through them, it gives them hope. It was a very touchy subject when the allegations of child molestation and rape came out against the Catholic church. The Spotlight team was opposed from without and within. For some reason pedophilia is a subject that people don't want to touch with a ten foot pole and so many times people will make excuses for the predators, while marginalizing and disparaging the victims. Usually when we stand up for these brave souls, the blog post dies and people stop commenting. We all have to do what we think is right and we have chose to expose the evil cult. It seems that many of the people who were abused by them still wish to defend them.
Julie said:
When speaking of children saying, "God has entrusted us with the smallest and weakest lambs...." it just makes my stomach turn."
DNA said:
They have done more damage to children than people will ever know. So many like you have had their childhood completely destroyed and stolen from them. Children who were raised in this environment had no idea what it was like to be normal. It's pretty sad. Even if you escape the pedophiles, you never have your own identity and you are taught how to think and how NOT to think. People think that they were taught right from wrong but they were really taught how to be a good cult member. The ntcc definition of right and wrong were always what is in their own best interest and the only thing that matters is the approval of the cult leaders. People spend their whole "Christian" lives trying to seek approval from a religious nut case who only wants to use them for their money or their own gratification. When they are done with them, they end up being thrown out with the garbage. They make you feel like trash. When you start figuring things out and they find they have no more use for you, they dispose of you and all your secrets. It's always your fault and they make you feel like the scum of the earth when you leave.
It sickens me too, to hear them say that God has entrusted them with the smallest and weakest lambs, because they are wolves and they are guilty of abusing children physically, emotionally, spiritually and sexually. What about the small and weak lamb whose mother reported Fontenot for being a child rapist? She was told to take her daughter and find another church. They really did a bang up job for God, protecting that small and weak lamb. They protected Fontenot and allowed him to lurk and troll around for more victims. It makes me sick also Julie, and it should make everyone sick, but people would rather make excuses for them. Ralph and Joan were protected and coddled by the ntcc leaders and so was Barbara Norton. They were moved around every time a scandal came to the surface. Johnny Jordan was protected while Lisa was kicked out of the church and called a whore and a slut by Ashmore. It's beneath Ashmore's dignity to address these allegations. How dare anyone question the walking bible and preaching machine. We are all just supposed to blindly and dumbly trust that they have treated God's little lambs with dignity and respect. They will never answer to us, but we believe that they will one day answer to God for what they did to you Julie. You have done your part and no matter what anyone thinks, God knows it all. As the ntcc was so fond of saying, "The wheels of God's judgment turn slow, but they turn for sure". "I'm sorry" has never been in their vocabulary.
So this young GI gets involved with this cult over in Germany. He marries a young Germany lady. They have a son together.
This is interessting! Could you be more specific when and where in Germany exactly? Maybe she lives in my area and I didn't know!
Anonymous said...
This guy was mentally unstable; possibly bi-polar.
... super messed up in the head many years before he became a child rapist and went to prison.
Could you give an example? What exactly made you believe/think that he was mentally unstable and super messed up in the head?
I know I don't want to talk about these scumbag child abusers... I want to have some intense fellowship with them in a sound proof room and no windows.
There must be a level of hell reserved just for them.
themountainnewswa.net/2011/10/12/former-ntcc-church-worker-convicted-on-child-rape-charges/
Just in case anyones interested.
I think there is some correlation between a church based in "thou shalt nots" and unhappiness as well as sexual deviancy. Priests can't get married so upwards of 6% are known child predators. NTCC can't do this and that so people end up acting out sexually. Weird but seemingly true.
Get out before you lose your life.
Kats story shows another huge flaw within ntcc. Graduating from four years of ntcc bible college does not make someone a expert in all things. Upon graduating some if not all off ntcc pastors, teachers, ministers etc. etc. believe that they are experts in all matters, such as finances, and matters of the heart, soul, and mind. The problem with that kind of thinking is that in order to under stand matters of the heart and mind requires far more training and certification than what ntcc offers. To understand matters of deep emotions such as Molestation, Bi-polar, Pedophilia, Abuse, Rape, Weight, etc. etc. take years of Psychiatrist or Psychologist training, far more training and understanding than what ntcc offers. Ntcc failed to help a serial molesters such as G. Jordan, just as they failed to help me with my issues, Fontenot, Julie, Kat, and the homosexuals that attended ntcc who could not shake there urges to be with another man. Dr. Phil went through years of training and certification in order to help those who he needs help. We became vulnerable to ntcc when we confided in them our matters of the heart, which Davis, Olson, Ashmore and others used to beat us down at there will. What school of Psychiatry or Psychology had kekl gone to? four years of bible school does not make you a expert in all things.
"Has anyone else out there ever felt like they were treated like a piece of trash by the NTCC or it's leadership?"
Hahaha--has anyone out there NOT felt like they were treated like a piece of trash by the NTCC or it's leadership? It's their standard operating procedure!
It is there standard operating procedure, because they have not been taught anything else. Ntcc paid professionals have failed for many years in the areas of Love, Grace, Forgiveness and Hope. They don't want anyone with real problems, they don't want the poor, sick, homeless or widows. There characteristic is one of anger, meanness, hatred, bitterness, lying, deceitfulness, and vengeful is of the devil and not of the Father. Ntcc covers up there flaws and lack of training in Psychology or Psychiatry by belittling there own members and those who do not agree with them, they can't get proper credentials, certification, or accreditation for there bible college, any well meaning bible college would have nothing to hide and would welcome and love outside scrutiny.
Interestingly, RW Davis taught us that people with serious psychological issues were beyond our scope and needed professional help. Too bad he didn't take his own advice.
Please for give me. I got the Jordan brothers first name wrong. I meant J. Jordan instead of G. Jordan.
Maurice,
That's okay. It was an honest mistake. The blog articles make it clear for anyone who wonders or has questions. No worries.
I could have sworn Kinson has two secret daughters.I saw two young ladies at a conference once that their facial expressions and features looked like Kinson. Even though he claims no children.
So true and so sad! Just last weekend I ran into a couple that used to be some of my closest friends when I was still in the cult. She looked so sad and so miserable. I just was heartbroken because I remember how close we were and to see the way she looked I felt like it was such a struggle. I could be wrong but I just wanted to grab her up and say come with me but it's up to each one to find their own Journey and their own way to happiness and reality. All I can do is hope and pray that they find their way one day.
Kat said..
All I can do is hope and pray that they find their way one day.
Julie says....
That is my prayer for so many. I want the freedom I have to be theirs as well so badly it hurts my heart.
Hugs,
Julie
"I am a Christian leader, and I DON’T understand hate ‘in Jesus’ name.’ Neither do I understand so-called leaders, Christian or otherwise, that make statements like Patrick’s."
This is mck talking about the Orlando tragedy.
At the very end he says "haters, pray for yourselves "
My wife and I were approached by Pastor W.J. Walton at an Aldi store in Sterling Hgts, MI and invited to come to service at NTCC on Dequindre in Sterling Heights.
It has become apparent that we are being pursued for our money. We signed in their guest book and provided our address. Went to two services, one Sun May 22 at 7:30 PM, only one other person was there. We went to our usual service at Kensington Community Church in Troy MI the next week. Then we attended NTCC this past Sunday. Nobody else was there. My wife asked the pastor's wife how many members there were. She said about 20. During the service the pastor brought up tithe twice and lamented about the waywardness of his flock and their casual attitudes about church attendance.
He insists that I cannot even drink a beer because a real Christian treats his body like a temple and that I am willfully sinning because I know that it is wrong and I continue to.
The pastor and wife have dropped in twice on Wednesday night unannounced at our residence. Clearly he is desperate for members. I have decided not to join. I will let you know if he makes an appearance tonight cuz it is Wednesday.
Thanks for writing in David.
Please come back to the next service... Please Pretty please... In fact if you come back I wont mention beer. I wont mention anything JUST COME BACK...
David, Thanks for sharing. Your experience is typical. The Wednesday visitation is what they consider soul-winning. Most of the NTCC churches continue in the small church planting mode indefinitely. Its partly due to ill prepared, well meaning pastors, no support and adherence to extreme extrabiblical positions, like having a beer. If they come by ask them about womens hair, television, women working, makeup, vacations, secular education, the international house of prayer and who Ashmore is. Should be fun. Or better yet, dont answer the door. As you figured out your better of staying with your current church, more than likely.
Eric
Let me say that I really found nothing wrong with the pastor or his wife. He was approached in the military and I feel that he is a sincere and earnest man.
I just do not like the lineage and history of the founders and board members, i.e. Davis, Kinson and Kekel. I don't believe everything negative I have read but have seen enough smoke in my research today to conclude that there must be fire...
You people are the reason David Franks will never be able to go to heaven. Your evilness has destroyed his chance of being saved. Just because you don't care if you go to hell doesn't mean you have to stop others from going to heaven. Sharing the past doesn't help people turn to God it only turns them from God. So all of you are just tools in the devil's hands or maybe simple the devil's hands and mouth. Such wickedness!!!
ANON,
I can't tell if you're joking but either way that was hilarious.
I tend to think David will be fine without the loony toon doctrine of NTCC.
Mike
Anonymous said:
"You people are the reason David Franks will never be able to go to heaven."
DNA said:
So, Anonymous, (to afraid to say who you are, David has more courage than you...), What you seem to be saying is that David's only chance to be saved is in the ntcc, and because we are warning him that the ntcc is a corrupt group, that makes us evil. I would say that David is completely able to make up his mind. We don't want him to make the same mistake that you made or that we made, so we are telling him what you won't tell him. Your church leaders have a history destroying relationships and families.
As for this Pastor W.J. Walton, he might be very sincere. We've never met him. He also might be seriously misguided if he believes that people die and go to hell for not paying tithes. Unless things have drastically changed in the ntcc, you can't live in a Servicemen's home or go to the ntcc Seminary unless you pay tithe. It's funny how Jesus or any of the apostles never commanded folks to pay tithes. The ntcc hirelings will not treat you as a brother if you don't pay them. And where does the money go? Kekel sure is living large and so did Davis. It's all about the money in the ntcc.
David dodged a bullet by not going to the ntcc. We will continue to discourage folks from going because the ntcc creates people like you, anonymous, that think they are the only ones on earth that God loves enough to save. You call us evil just because we tell the truth. If we are incorrect about anything on this blog, the ntcc has never made an effort to clear things up. They have never apologized to anyone and we don't suspect that they ever will. People have spoken out against the ntcc from experience. Even the great Ashmore, left your church and warned others to flea from the great whore. That's you by the way that Ashmore is referring to, the ntcc. Ashmore is still doing the same thing that he did in the ntcc, but he gets the money instead of Kekel. Beware of the ntcc leadership! They love to walk around in wingtips and white shirts and to receive the praise of men as they fleece God's flock and rake in million$. You go ahead and give your money to Kekel, Anonymous, and we will continue to warn people like David not to make that mistake. From the sound of it, He's already got you all figured out.
Besides the ten percent tithes or hell doctrine that ntcc preaches. They also require there students to pay a small fortune for a Seminary degree that's know good outside of ntcc. It seems to be just another one of ntcc control technique. The students of ntcc cannot use there degrees outside of ntcc because its not an accredit seminary or college. So, they stay around even after graduating, supporting the leaders, waiting for a wife or husband, or waiting to be sent to help some other pastor. Back in my day Davis would feed us a bunch of Mumbo Jumbo as to why ntcc could not get accreditation and we would shout because of that, boy we were really misled. I did not get a degree, but I don't need one to serve God.
I found a comment rev gandy wrote about how he used to feel about the ashmores before they left the ntcc:
Rev. and Sister Ashmore, well, what can I say? Just being with them is a blast, and I am challenged continually by his preaching and life. Rev. and Sister DiFrancesco. One thing that I think of him are the words..."Always Faithul." He and his wife are special and I count it a priviledge to call them my friend.
It's pretty interesting that these Ntcc pastors are ready to quote so called "sinners" even quote Buddha in they're Twitter and Facebook pages but if you exit their church you become an enemy of them and God.
what is compromise in ntcc? movies are okay, girls in sports and higher education, men with add'l jobs. movies are okay now. i dont get it.
Compromise in the NTCC?
NTCC was never about separation unto god. It was always about commitment unto davis. Davis did not like tv because it kept people out of church. When dvd's came along, he saw a way to entertain his grandson; then dvds became acceptable. Little did the old man realize, there would be no stopping dvds and movies from becoming a regular part of the ntcc's faithful lifestyles.
As far as higher education goes, RWD is the one who wanted grant to go to college. Who was going to stop the rest of the org from following suit???
No doubt men had to get second jobs! To keep up with the lifestyles of the rich and davises; men had to get second jobs. This did represent yet another change in policy. Due to the fact that previously individuals were discouraged from getting second jobs because they would use it as an opportunity to miss church activities; however; if an up and coming young buck could attend all of his church commitments then a second job was not only allowed, it was kind of respected.
As far as girls in sports, do you really think keeping girls pure was ever really a priority amoung the ntcc? I seriously doubt it. Look at the work restriction for ladies. It was never impossed upon TMK. She always worked for her dad or the office or the church in one way or another and she is the only woman to get a paycheck from rwd or the church. Once ladies got married, they were suppossed to stop working. TMK kept working for her dad, kept getting that paycheck to help them get ahead of course.
But your wife - oh NO!!!! she could not work - that would be a sin - because rwd needed her for his program. You see the thing about married men is if you hire them; under rwd's laws you got two for the price of one. The wife of a full time preacher was always expected to work for the church for free. It was always about using free labor to advance the will of rwd.
Unlike you that don't go to church and just work, I have a full schedule with the work of the Lord plus working a job. So it has taken me a while to answer you. In answer to your question. Yes, NTCC is the only right church. God only calls a church not many churches to be his people. My leaders are going the right way and as long as they do right, they will be the chosen ones of God. Before NTCC there were others that were God's chosen church but each one has left God so now it is NTCC that has been chosen to be God's church and people. Rev. Davis was a man of God but Rev. Kekel is even more an angel of the Lord. This is going to make NTCC that much greater than even before just watch you will see.
Good luck with that, Anonymous. If they are so right, then why are you being disobedient and participating in this blog that Kekel calls, "ungodly filth"? You are a hypocrite. You are being disobedient to your filthy rich borg leader. That's why you post as Anonymous. You can't own your comments because they would find out that you are disobeying them and jack you up. Do you really think that your full schedule is going to get you to heaven? Your labors are not benefiting anyone but Kekel and the rest of the Hucksters on the General board. They are laughing at you all the way to the bank. Keep paying your tithe to them. You claim to believe the bible, but I bet you can't share one scripture that commands New Testament Christians to pay tithe. They are spending your tithes on their own personal luxuries, not reaching lost souls. The only ones that stick around very long are the ones dumb enough to go along with their scam. I was that dummy for 13 years. How long will you be that dummy? Do you know what false doctrine is? Tithe is false doctrine. In the ntcc it is preached to people like you for financial gain and prosperity. Talking to people like you is like talking to a brick wall because you don't believe the bible. Since you can't show us one scripture that commands Gentile Christians to pay tithe, you are an enabler. You help them perpetrate that lie. Another lie that you help them perpetrate is that they are the only ones going to heaven. You are so lost if you think that they are the only ones that are right with God. They aren't even close to being right with God. So keep paying them your tithe and bringing other souls out so they can pay their tithe. Kekel needs another sports car and he is going to want to connect those two mansions together pretty soon and make one great big mansion so Mike and Tanya can have a bunch of you brainwashed suckers come over on Saturdays and clean it for them.
Wow. Is that the party line now? They use to say they werent the only church thats right but the others were just like them. Ibfeel bad for this poor soul. Putting that much faith in a man and an organization will only lead to heartache. Maybe one day you will realize Jesus is much bigger than the NTCC.
Eric
I will get back to you on the tithe. There is scripture that does say it is a commandment to all people that serve God. It is a privilege that is blessed by God to clean for the men and women God has put in authority of us. People of the world do things for famous people because they worship those people. We in NTCC do things for our leaders as unto the Lord not pleasing men as the bible commands us to do. God gives us commands to follow and we can't stop obeying them when we disagree with someone. If we stop obeying then we are only doing it for man not God. We do things to be blessed of God not for the praises of men.
Anon,
Hang in there and keep engaging the blog. The fog is lifting. Your "work of the lord" schedule and full-time work schedule is not sustainable. At some point an injury will happen or you will get sick and you will realize how unsustainable and how unhealthy your schedule is. Real churches that want to use church planting to reach new people will spend money to invest in it. NTCC is exploiting you. You take the risk and put in the effort and they reap the reward. Tell them your going to pay your tithe locally and see how much they value you over your tithe. If its about the work of the lord, they wont mind. After all Graham is already established and is unable to grow or reach new people. Keep the money local where it will do the most good for the kingdom. Also, research church planting models and see how other groups go about it. You are being exploited.
Eric
Anonymous said:
"I will get back to you on the tithe. There is scripture that does say it is a commandment to all people that serve God."
DNA said:
No, there is not scripture that requires New Testament Christians to pay tithe. You won't find it because it is not there. You were lied to by these hypocrites that you call Men and women of God. They use Old Testament scripture found in Malachi that applies to paying tithe according to the law. Obviously you do not know the scripture otherwise you wouldn't have to get back with me. The only commandment to pay tithe is found in the Old Testament law and tithe was primarily paid in agricultural goods to the Levites who had no possession. If you knew the bible, you would know that we don't live by the law of Moses because Jesus died for our sins and gave us a new covenant called the New Testament. We no longer have to offer blood sacrifices, get circumcised or pay tithe. In fact the New Testament does not command anyone to pay tithe. There is no more Levitical Priesthood and there is no commandment for Gentiles or Jewish Christians to pay tithe. The reason the ntcc collects tithe from you is because they have convinced you that God needs your money and that if you love God you'll pay it to them. God loves a cheerful giver. You are giving by commandment and out of necessity to avoid hell, but the leaders who you praise and worship are spending that money on bigger houses and faster more luxurious cars. They will never give you an account of where that money goes because they know they are using people like you to make them rich.
The ntcc is full of liars and thieves that appear as ministers of light. If it were true that non tithe payers were going to hell, than Paul would have to be going to hell because he got a job and worked for a living so that people wouldn't blaspheme the gospel because of people like Kekel who hasn't worked a job in decades but has managed to get rich off of tithe payers. Paul didn't want to burden the people of God financially so he never commanded people to pay tithe. Neither did Jesus. Read your bible. Neither did Peter or any of the other Apostles. Giving was voluntary and Paul took up offerings for the poor saints in Jerusalem, in which people gave cheerfully as the Lord laid it on their hearts, unlike the ntcc who never takes up offerings for the poor saints, only the rich hypocrites like Kekel, Kinson, Olson, Tieman, Jones and other board members. The ntcc is a cesspool of filthy lucre. Read your bible....
I started going to NTCC in Aurora Colorado (Joey Perez) in 2002 with my family. In 2005 we went to Graham Washington for Bible School. We eventually graduated and sat in a pew for a few years until Rev. Davis asked me to pray about going to help Rev. Perez in Aurora Colorado. I eventually did go to help in Colorado. It was during this time that my eyes were really opened. Rev. Perez turned out to be a dictator. I had to be in every service, every event, every soul winning endeavor and do it for free. I had a full time job where I worked from home to support my wife and three girls. Rev. Perez at the time was a full time pastor getting paid for his efforts. I was told that if I didn't give 100% of my "ALL" to God that I wasn't a Christian. However he continued to take advantage of me, I was the one who opened the church (he came in with his wife around 7 or 7:15 pm) and I was the one who usually closed the church while they took off to do whatever. I always felt inferior because I wasn't a great soul winner like he was and that I felt like I wasn't even saved. "All Christians pay tithe" was continually spoken from the pulpit. For almost two years my weekends and most nights belonged to the church. Until October 1, 2014 I got a call from Rev. Perez telling me that my wife wants me to move out or they would get the police to assist me. Rev. Perez' wife the night prior told me that my wife and children and some of the other ladies from the church were staying at her house for a "girls night out". That was the last I saw of my girls, Sara, Alexandra, and Hannah. No hug goodbye or even to tell them I love them. Nothing. I tried to reconcile with my wife over the following year but this past May 15th, 2016 our divorce was finalized. I get no rights to be children unless my ex-wife agrees. She lied through her teeth in the judge that I was a danger to my children and that they have a church family in Aurora who loves them very much. Whatever wrongdoing they dreamed up never came up in court (it was all a lie). This church in Aurora Colorado is a cult. If you deviate or have second thoughts about what is going on there, they kick you to the curb post haste. All my so called friends within NTCC have turned their back on me. Where's the love? Where's the so-called forgiveness for whatever they perceive I've done wrong? What a bunch of hypocrites.
Sincerely,
Richard Buell
Canby, Oregon.
Sorry that you went through this. If there is one thing that the ntcc is good at, that is tearing apart families. This happens way too much and people ignore it for the most part. We can't ignore your comment because the type of behavior exhibited among ntcc leadership is prevalent in this cult. Perez sounds like a real piece of work. He is a typical ntcc pastor. What they did was completely wrong. I know there are probably circumstances that we are unaware of, but I seriously doubt you did anything worthy of being separated from your family and not allowed to be in your children's lives.
As far as the statement you made about Butler, we asked him and he denies that it happened. The ntcc leadership have never denied anything that we have blogged about. There are quite a few people who have come forward against the ntcc with allegations of sexual impropriety, and when we blog about it people hate us for bringing it up. We can blog about tithe, holiness, double standards, money grubbers and just about any topic under the sun, but when we do blog posts about child molestation, incest, homosexuality, adultery and such, people on both sides want video evidence certified and notarized in the presence of many witnesses before they will believe that the ntcc leadership is guilty of such iniquities. We allow others to share their experiences on this blog because their has been a pattern of sexual abuse in the ntcc as many have shared. We don't want to falsely accuse anyone, but at the same time we aren't going to disparage those who have been abused. If allegations of sexual abuse are presented we will publish them and ask for details. If someone is falsely accused they are more than welcome to clear their name by leaving a comment and sharing their side. We personally have been advocates for the victims because nobody from the ntcc ever came forward to share their side of the story.
Your story breaks my heart Randy. Your girls are going to resent their Mom, once the truth comes out.
"It is a privilege that is blessed by God to clean for the men and women God has put in authority of us. People of the world do things for famous people because they worship those people."
Since when does the world hold the standard for the church!? The same famous people probably have done more for charity than ntcc has done since its inception. Jesus was the perfect servant leader who spoke in word and DEED!Can you say the same of your leadership?
We feel for Richard Buell after reading his story. Its odd how loyalties in a cult are first to the cult leader rather than to a spouse. Wedding vows usually speak of forsaking all others and cleaving to the spouse. But ntcc always preyed on the ignorant, to say the least. That's why they are exclusive, and cannot fellowship outside the group. That's why when any leave they must be ostracized. Whether it's Ashmore or anyone. Any outside the group must be demonized. This is against Christ when He said forbid them not. He that is not against Christ is for christ, regardless of what your cult says. Take that ntcc!
Talk to me anytime, Richard Buell, I also am here in Oregon.
The comment from bro buell needs to be on the front as a post.
Can't imagine that his girls were taken away in that fashion. I remember his girls in graham and now they are all grown up, just beautiful.
I'm sorry for this sham perpetrated on you.
It's typical for people to lie and go behind your back and spread lies just to make themselves look good with the leadership.
Been there.
You aren't writing about the one in Sterling Heights Michigan are you? If so please contact me, my email is vmalec02@gmail. BTW I loved the blog.
I don't see my post. I don't know how this works. I'll try one more time and leave it at that. If you're writing about the church in Sterling Heights Michigan please contact me vmalec02@gmail. I loved the blog...
Actually, yes, this group we are talking about, ntcc, has a church in Sterling Heights, MI. Last we knew the 'pastor' there was a man named Walton and meetings were held at 35414 Dequindre Rd.
I was a member of ntcc around 2000 2001. A year before going to ntcc I was spiritually changed for the better I was spiritually aware and happy full of God's life and Joy. When I first got to Okinawa I met a gunnery sergeant that brought me to his church called God's way. It was a Spirit-filled church a good church. Until one day I was approached by someone from ntcc and decided to try it out I went back and forth for a couple of weeks until I got hooked. I felt trapped in my spirit I felt it was wrong but I kept going. It took about a year before I just cannot give any more and I was exhausted Beyond belief. It has been 15 years and I'm still I'm hesitant to find a church. I don't have the drive and the passion I once had to know God and the Bible like I wanted to before I went to ntcc. I remember trying to have a heart-to-heart with Pastor Medrano and he had no heart he had no expression of compassion there was nothing there. I had compassion for him because I felt he was trapped for life and felt bad for his wife who looked downtrodden. All I can say sometimes I think about it and knowing I've been through this hopefully will make me a stronger person someday. And brother Borden if you're still out there I still think about you once in awhile wonder how you're doing. Thanks, Barry Willoughby
I sometimes get Nauseated by these posts... I want to slap Davis back to life and make him look at the misery he's perpetrated on people! Unfortunately he'd have no remorse or empathy... He got away with this.
Richard,
Are you fighting for your children? Why are you in Oregon while they are in Colorado? I would be taking a very active interest in getting to be involved in their lives? IT may be that you are, but it sounds as if you are being passive.
Get aggressive with these people. Joey and them will back down if you expose them as to what they are.
Go get them, be courageous and brave. Don't let NTCC or any cult have the last word in this. Don't wait until the kids are older, but DO IT NOW!
We are praying for you.
I still remember the fake forced laughs and the yes sirs. I remember how pastor Medrano would say go find someone down on their luck. I remember having cue cards for each person we invited to church and constantly asking them to come and checking a mark next to their name. I remember everyone telling me it's a cult, but I didn't listen. "They were all going to hell because NTCC is the only church in the entire world that is not going to hell" lol. As a young nieve man I fell for this. I remember Pastor Medrano saw a member spit on the ground and told him, "if I tell you to not spit on the ground it is like not taking a commandment from God, because the holy spirit speaks through me and I do not sin therefore you are sinning against God and you will go to Hell and hell is like a bird flying from one end of the earth to drop a grain of sand until all the sand grains are gathered and you start all over again". For spitting on the ground? That's when I stopped,I gave up, I left. I remember playing ball with some marines for PT and began laughing when I realized these guys are all gonna go to hell for spitting on the ground. I understand that a sin is a sin but you can always ask for forgivness if you spat after God tells you not too.. Lol Barry
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