New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc.
Executive Board of Directors
 | R. W. Davis Founder | |
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J. H. Olson
Chairman of the Board and President | |
 | M. C. Kekel
Chief Executive Officer
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J. L. Johnson
General Overseer | |
 | J. R. DiFrancesco Secretary |
We will be breaking this down into a series as there are many things to cover in the first 8 Articles of the Bylaws which deal with power and hierarchy. Here are the bylaws establishing the power structure within the NTCC:
Article I — Executive Chairman of the Board
(A) The Executive Chairman of the Board shall be elected to an indefinite term of office by the incorporators.
(B) This term shall begin immediately upon election and expire upon the decision of the Executive Chairman or his demise.
(C) The Executive Chairman of the Board shall be Chief Executive Officer of the organization. (Hereinafter referred to as C.E.O.)
(D) All officers of the organization shall be appointed by the C.E.O.
(E) He shall be ex-officio member of all standing committees.
(F) He shall have supervision, direction and management over all undertakings and operations of the organization to which he shall devote the amount of time required.
(G) He shall act as Executive Chairman at all General Conventions and Executive Board Meetings.
(H) He is required to give his final approval to all matters, operational, appointments or any new By-Laws or financial obligations or appointments or duties that are designated to officers or workers of the organization, before they can be passed or put into effect.
Article II — President
(A) The President shall work under the C.E.O. He shall give general supervision, direction and management over the undertakings and operations of the organization to which he shall devote the amount of time required by such and for which he shall receive a stipulated remuneration.
(B) He shall perform such duties as may be required of him as President of the Corporation and shall report his activities to the C.E.O. and General Board.
(C) He shall be requested to represent our organization to other functions at which we should have a voice and to the government when necessary.
(D) He shall be on call to the districts when needed. When his services are requested in the district, they are expected to take care of his expenses involved in the trip.
(E) He shall be a member of the General Board.
Article III — Administrative Officer
(A) The Administrative Officer shall work under the C.E.O. and the President. He shall give administrative supervision, direction and management over the undertakings and operations of the offices and the relative functions of the business of the organization; to which he shall devote the amount of time required by such and for which he shall receive a stipulated remuneration.
(B) He shall perform such duties as may be required of him as Administrative Officer of the organization and shall report his activities to the C.E.O. and President and to the General Board when requested.
(C) His books shall be closed out each month, and these records are to be stored. Close out is to be presented to the C.E.O. for acceptance and authorization of distribution of finances by the C.E.O.
(D) He may employ such assistance, with the approval of the C.E.O., as may be necessary to perform such duties.
(E) He shall be a member of the General Board.
Article IV — General Overseer
(A) The General Overseer’s duties are to assist the President in the work of the organization.
(B) He is to act instead of the President when the President is not available for some function at which the President would be required.
(C) He is to devote the amount of time required to the discharge of his duties as are assigned or required of his office for which he shall receive a stipulated remuneration.
(D) He shall promote the organization as an active officer of such.
(E) He shall be a member of the General Board.
Article V — Assistant General Overseer
(A) The Assistant General Overseer’s duties are to assist the General Overseer in the work of the organization.
(B) He is to act instead of the General Overseer when the General Overseer is not available for some function at which the General Overseer would be required.
(C) He is to devote the amount of time required to the discharge of his duties as are assigned or required of his office for which he shall receive a stipulated remuneration.
(D) He shall promote the organization as an active officer of such.
(E) He shall be a member of the General Board.
Article VI — General Secretary
(A) The General Secretary shall keep a clear record of the minutes of all meetings of the General Board and conventions which shall be read at such meetings.
(B) He shall have custody of the Corporate Seal, and shall maintain and keep up-to-date such books and records as shall fully and truly reflect the status of the corporation business at all times, which shall be subject to inspection by such auditors as may be designated by the General Board.
(C) He shall furnish such bond, for the fruitful performance of his duties, as may be required by the General Board, the premiums for which shall be paid by the corporation.
(D) He shall maintain records of all ministers and missionaries, and shall issue the necessary credentials and carry on such correspondence as may be required by his office.
(E) He shall devote the amount of time required by such and for which he shall receive a stipulated remuneration.
(F) He shall be a member of the General Board.
Article VII — Overseer of World Missions
(A) The Overseer of World Missions shall have general supervision, direction and operation of the Missionary Department within the United States and in all foreign countries, subject to the C.E.O., President and the General Board.
(B) He shall devote his time to the work of his office for the purpose of promoting greater interest in, and the support of World Missions. He shall receive a stipulated remuneration from the Missionary funds.
(C) He may employ such assistance, with the approval of the C.E.O., as may be necessary to perform such duties and requirements of his office.
(D) He shall be a member of the General Board.
Article VIII — District Overseer
(A) The District Overseer shall have general supervision over his district. He shall sit as a member of the General Board and shall represent his district at General Conventions. He shall receive remuneration from his district as set forth in financial policy of organization.
This might be confusing but let's break this down:
Article I: Executive Chairman of the Board:
At first glance you might assume that Olson is Head-Cheese in the NTCC, but not so fast. Olson is referred to as the Chairman of the Board/PRESIDENT but as you can see, the President is listed in Article II and is subservient to the CEO. Now, Kekel's title is listed as Chief Executive Officer or CEO. In Article I we find out that the title: Executive "Chairman of the Board" would be referred throughout the bylaws as CEO. Confused yet? Article 1 (G) establishes that the title CEO and Executive Chairman are interchangeable and Olson is never referred to as 'Executive' Chairman. Davis is the Founder but, for the most part, here, he is just a figure head. Olson is going to do whatever Davis wants him to do. The ntcc is a family owned business and as David named Solomon king before his death, it looks like Kekel is now being given absolute control of the ntcc. The big difference, though, is that nobody in the NTCC hierarchy is like King David; who was called a man after God's own heart. Just like the devil imitates God, NTCC is taking a clue from godly David and restructuring before the inevitable death of the founder, hoping to stem off any power struggle. This is the only explanation that makes any sense.
We know two things for sure. Kekel is the CEO; and the CEO is at the very top of the food chain. The CEO now has power to appoint ALL officers to the organization. The CEO is also referred to as an ex-officio member of all standing committees. That means by nature of his office as CEO, Kekel automatically is a member of all NTCC Boards or standing committees. The CEO is to have supervision, direction and management over ALL undertakings and operations of the organization. The CEO is to act as Executive Chairman at all general conventions and executive board meetings. Finally The CEO is required to give his final approval to all matters, operational, appointments or any new By-Laws or financial obligations or appointments or duties that are designated to officers or workers of the organization, before they can be passed or put into effect. In other words, Kekel has been appointed as NTCC's gawd.
Article II: President
We would have to assume that Olson is going to be the President under this new structure to oversee the transition of power. Olson has President right next to his unofficial title of Chairman of the Board, which means nothing without the word Executive in front of it. In article two it was deemed necessary to announce that the person holding this position would receive a stipulated 'remuneration'. It basically means that Olson is going to be over paid by all you tithe paying suckers to be an over-rated hype man for Kekel. To condense the language of the rest of Article II, Olson (President) reports to Kekel (CEO). Olson is also to be "on call" to the districts when needed. When his 'services' (Services? lol) are requested, Olson will jump on a plane or into his Recreational Vehicle and travel to that district, (Of course the district will pay all expenses for Olson's trip).
Article III: Administrative Officer
Not sure who this is, but we think possibly Ashmore or his son in law, DiFrancesco. Although it seems like Ashmore has been thrown under the bus in this new shift of power, there's probably a little more to it. Ashmore seems to go through great lengths to keep his picture out of public limelight or scrutiny; but this year he is listed with the Missouri Secretary of State as the Vice President of New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. [See the Images Below]. We don't know why NTCC does not have Ashmore pictured in their new set of Bylaws. Perhaps he doesn't want to be recognized by the wrong person or victim. At any rate, one might think that DiFrancesco would be appointed to this position also; but he is filling the position of Secretary; which is a few rungs down the totem pole. So it looks like for now, that this position is going to be secretive like many other things in the ntcc. Of course all of you brainwashed suckers don't really have a need to know. You are expected to follow instructions without asking questions. Ahem. The duties of the Administrative Officer are to keep the books; and he reports only to the CEO and President. Oh, and he gets paid like Olson by all you brain washed tithe paying suckers.
Article IV: General Overseer
This position is being held by Johnson. His duties are fairly vague but he probably spends a lot of his time driving around in his recreational vehicle, again at the expense of all of the ntcc brainwashed minions that have nothing better to do with their money than pay for Johnson's Recreational Vehicle and the fuel to propel it, and his meals; and make sure all of you suckers give him a good offering so he can have some spending money. Oh and he gets a 'stipulated remuneration' also. That remuneration word sure covers a lot of ground. It can mean salary or wages plus benefits like insurance and vehicles and all kinds of other stuff you people with "strong backs but weak minds" are working hard to pay so they can play.
Article V: Assistant General Overseer
This position does not have anyone named to it at this time that we know of; perhaps another secret that has not been revealed. The duties of this position are to assist Johnson, whatever that entails. All of you cheerful tithe payers get to pay his salary and other benefits also; but guess what? If he travels to your district you also get to take up an offering for him and pay for his travel expenses. It's no wonder you all are so broke.
Article VI: General Secretary
This position is filled by DiFrancesco and is another paid position. His responsibilities include keeping minutes at bored (board) meetings, using the corporate seal to stamp documents that require a notary public, maintain records for all ministers and missionaries and issue credentials to them. Now this position also has a curious distinction found in paragraph (c): He shall furnish bond for the fruitful performance of his duties as may be required by the General Board, the premiums for which shall be paid by the corporation. Any translators out there that would like to take a shot at that? This is in addition to the 'Stipulated Remuneration' that he also gets.
Article VII: Overseer of World Missions
This position has not been filled publicly as of yet, but the duties include raising funds for world missions. This guy will probably visit your church in a Recreational Vehicle paid for by you; and will hit you up for World Missions' pledges. Now this guy gets paid out of the World Missions' funds, so not only are you paying for his all expense vacations to travel around the world, you also are paying for his salary; so when he hit's you up for World Missions' next time be sure to pray and ask God to lay it on your heart to give cheerfully so that this Man of Gawd who has sacrificed so much can be taken care of. Any thing that is left over will go into the World Missions' slush fund; but it won't be used on folks like that Sister in the Philippines who used her food money for gasoline in order to bring more people to church. Tough luck if she is hungry. She's not getting a dime from the World Missions' fund; that's Gawd's money. And it isn't going to be used on "wasteful congregants" as Kekel declared. Just ask him; he'll tell ya.
Article VIII: District Overseer
This is probably the lowest paying of all Board positions. This position doesn't get a 'stipulated' remuneration but it just gets a remuneration (unstipulated), but the money comes out of his own district. So here you go, all of you tithe paying suckers. Not only do you have to pay tithe to your pastor, Home Offerings, as applicable, Escrow funds, building funds, World Missions' and other miscellaneous offerings, you now have to pay for this local yokel district overseer to come oversee you and pay for his salary.
NTCC Officers and Directors on Record with Missouri:
The following images are documents required by law to be filed by the NTCC with the Missouri Secretary of State for the year 2013: Click the images to enlarge.
Below: Page 1 of Annual Registration Report for MOSOS
Below: Page 2 of Annual Registration Report for MOSOS
.jpg "NTCC Officers and Directors for 2013 on file with Missouri Secretary Of State page 2")
In these public legal documents NTCC declares the following individuals hold the following offices:
*Note that Davis' name does not appear anywhere in these legal documents.
Pres - Joseph Henry Olson
V - Pres - James Ross Ashmore
Sec'y - John Richard DiFrancesco
Treas - Michael Craig Kekel
Board Member - James Leon Johnson
So it appears we have a contradiction here. We will have to assume that since it is now 2014, Kekel having fulfilled his calling as an administrator is going to leapfrog over Johnson, Ashmore and Olson as the Royal heir apparent to Davis. I wonder if the 2014 Annual Registration Report will match with the ntcc website.
Finally to wrap this up, you ntcc'rs are never going to get anywhere financially; because you are giving all of your money to all of these hirelings and thugs. You will always be broke; because there are too many people that are getting their greedy paws all over your money. There is no way that you will ever have anything for yourself or your families. If you do the math, every single time the Lawd pulls on your heart strings to give to the ntcc, you will be giving your future away to a paid hireling. Keep giving your money to these con artists while they laugh all the way to the bank.
Still to come: Automobile Ownership, Ministerial Relationships and Discipline.
88 comments:
I am looking forward to you uploading the most recent financial report.
Cash Donations $
Noncash Donations $
Other Revenue $
Total Revenue $
Expenses
Total Expenses $
Excess (or Deficit)
for the Year $
Other $0
Total Change
in Net Assets $
Total Assets $
Total Liabilities $
Net Assets $
Whom am I kidding? The United States will return to the Gold Standard before we can start looking into financial records.
Ha ha... oh yeah...
DD
Anonymous said...
I am looking forward to you uploading the most recent financial report.
DnA said:
There was a form that they once filled out that had some of that information on it but it was all eye wash just so they could get their non-profit status. What a joke. They were trying to say that St. Louis, which is one of their biggest churches was only bringing in about 5 figures in an entire year. We had Servicemen's home with 20 members that were bringing in more than that.
They are not going to volunteer any of that information and if they are ever required to publicly disclose it they will throw up some ridiculous numbers to satisfy any requirements. There is no transparency and church members have no right to see where their money goes. In fact, church members have no rights at all and that is why they blindly follow people like Kekel and Davis. The same people that take away their rights, take away their money. The same people that say, "you can't talk to that sister without getting permission from your pastor", are the same ones that are saying, If you love God you will take care of the Man of God. Have any of you ever heard that?
The same ones that say, "He loves a car or a house more than Gawd" are the same ones that brainwash thousands of people to give as unto the Lard so that they can live in million dollar mansions and drive cars that cost more than the majority of their own members houses.
The government gives these con-artists huge tax breaks and considers them to be non-profit while they are living large and laughing at the people who have given every dime they could spare because they were told that if they loved God they would sacrifice everything to reach the lost. It's too bad all of that money never went to reach any lost souls. A person is much more lost once they get reached by the ntcc than they were before they even heard of God. Who do you think is better off?
1. A person who doesn't know God but still can be reached.
or
2. A person who thought they knew God but after years of being manipulated and kicked and stabbed in the back and now doesn't want anything to do with God because they have seen how the ntcc leaders have abused Christians and used their positions of power to destroy others and in the process have gratified themselves with lust and pleasure while getting filthy rich off of their money.
It's a no brainer.
We used the term 'brain washed suckers' quite a bit in this blog post. We are not talking down to you because we used to be brain washed suckers ourselves. We fell for the same gag; hook, line and sinker. We are definitely trying to get you to realize that you are being conned out of your money and that you are being played by the ntcc leadership. They are the ones benefiting from your sacrifice.
We actually don't have a problem with giving if it is done cheerfully and willingly with no deception and if the money goes to a cause that would be pleasing to God. It all becomes so easy and clear if you ask what would Jesus do? Do you really think that Jesus would want you to give and sacrifice your hard earned money under the threat of eternal damnation so that a hypocrite can upgrade into a bigger mansion and drive nicer cars? Do you see Jesus commanding you to pay tithes anywhere? Do you think that if Jesus were sitting in a congregation listening to people like Davis and Kekel preach that all Christians pay tithe and give in offerings, that He would be happy with them? They don't even tell you where the money goes, you just trust them blindly. They are living in absolute luxury while many of you are struggling from paycheck to paycheck.
Giving is something that should be done cheerfully and willingly. If it is done out of necessity or obligation it takes the blessing right out of it. Paul took up offerings for the poor Saints in Jerusalem and Paul worked with his own hands not requiring others to support him. I guess all those people that allowed Paul to work are going to hell because they didn't pay their tithe and offering. Now, we are taught in the bible that the laborer is worthy of his hire and that those that minister spiritual things are worthy of our carnal things. But there is no mandate to pay 10% cash with an attached ultimatum that you are going to burn in hell if you don't. Try not paying your tithe in the ntcc and see how your are treated. Ask Davis or Kekel to show you in the New Testament where God requires 10% cash and see how indignant they get. I wouldn't even have a problem giving 10% or more to a church if it went toward helping people in need or toward something other than making some multi-million dollar real estate tycoon getting richer than he already is. That must be what you all think that God wants.
Would NTCC require a business owner to pay 10% of sales? If the owner made $1000 in sales, does NTCC receive $100?
NTCC requires 10% of any increase. Say you are in the military. Whatever you earn BEFORE any deductions (such as taxes), NTCC requires 10%. If somebody gives you a gift, the NTCC requires 10%. So, if somebody gives you a car worth $30,000, NTCC requires you to pay $3,000 tithe. They even teach people to pay 10% on their tax return refunds; which is complete double-dipping -- the people already paid %10 to NTCC on their gross pay before taxes, but NTCC wants to double-dip and have them pay on a tax refund. And they are serious about it. People will even pay tithe on something like a friend taking them out to dinner.
What's really bad about this legalism is the fear it generates. NTCC does use tithe as a heaven or hell / saved or lost indicator. They teach that not paying tithe will result in judgment. They even use it as a reason for excommunication or disfellowshipping someone.
And, as if all that is not bad enough; the NTCC contradicts God's appointed uses of the tithe. While the NTCC leaders are perfectly willing to line their own pockets with the tithe as income, the bucks stop there. They literally teach that tithe is NOT to be used for charity, such as giving to the homeless. Yet God specifically instructs that the tithes are to be used to care for the Levite, the widow, the fatherless, and the stranger. But NTCC contradicts God and says, "Don't give that money to the homeless - that's Gawd's money." And by that they mean the tithe money is to stay in the NTCC coffers where only a few NTCC board members in Washington state have access to it and control over it.
There also is zero financial transparency in NTCC. Once you give your money to them, there is no accountability or reporting from them toward you.
Such legalism would make it hard on people who have IRAs and 401Ks. 2013 was a very good year for the stock market. How does one determine what would NTCCs could be and when should NTCC receive their cut?
What happens when you have a year like 2008? If you took a loss that year, could you deduct that against your tithe (Tithe - Loss of Capital=NTCC's share)?
Anonymous, your question shows an honest inexperience with the NTCC. The only people in NTCC who have money for stocks or IRAs are the core group of Board Members, to whom the rules do not apply. Meanwhile members, workers, and front-line ministers live paycheck to paycheck, sometimes receiving welfare assistance, or living in debt to credit card companies, robbing Peter to pay Paul. Missionaries live in poverty without receiving the financial support that was promised in writing to them and the foreign government of their field
of labor. Read More About NTCC Missionaries and Money Click Here
Amen to all the above. Its a shame that NTCC College we attended did not attend to the truth. They could not because they only knew a perverted gospel based on corrupted minds who turned the good news into bad news: Jesus blood plus money is required for heaven... shocking, abhorrent... but now we do know them by their fruits... making merchandise of God's people. They can't preach Elisha's doctrine in 2 Kings 5:26...Elisha said NO to the money! DD... Darwin Durek
So where does their paperwork consider the org headquarters? I knew for a long time they had paperwork set up like St. Louis, Missouri and Graham, Washington were both headquarters like it was two separate orgs.
Hugs,
Julie
Anonymous said....Such legalism would make it hard on people who have IRAs and 401Ks. 2013 was a very good year for the stock market. How does one determine what would NTCCs could be and when should NTCC receive their cut?
In all my years in the borg they only ones that ever had such things or even the money for such things were the leaders. Everyone barely sees above water and sometimes not even that good. I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the days there was absolutely no food not even a crumb in my house.
Hugs,
Julie
Anonymous said..Would NTCC require a business owner to pay 10% of sales? If the owner made $1000 in sales, does NTCC receive $100?
Yes I remember both Davis and Kekel teaching you had to tithe on every little thing including if you were over someone's house you had to tithe on the food they gave you in a meal. If someone gave you something that you didn't have the tithe for you had to either give back the gift or give the gift to whoever was over that person at the time. It made some people so fearful of getting gifts since they were dirty poor.
Hugs,
Julie
That is interesting that they don't have Ashmore pictured. He is still listed as a pastor of San Diego church I wonder if that has anything to do with it.
Hugs,
Julie
I wonder if they are going to pass Kekel's picture out for everyone to worship...I mean display in their homes.
Hugs,
Julie
NTCC likes to preach I Samuel 17 how the widow woman didn’t have much but she gave to the man of God. Well let’s look at this story. She gave to Elijah a man of God. What happen she had what she needed until the rain would provide her with more.
So let’s see you give to NTCC. You can’t pay your bills, put gas in your car, car might not even be running, and have no idea how you are going to buy food for your family. If you are giving without the same results as the Word of God being preached, you need to stop and think about who you are giving to. If they are truly the men of God they claim to be, your needs would be met. Elijah didn’t ask her to do something without knowing her house would be provided for in the time of need. They are pulling on the guilt strings of your heart sitting back watching you to bleed to death.
Think about it.
Hugs,
Julie
Wow, really good comments on the blog today!
DD said:
They can't preach Elisha's doctrine in 2 Kings 5:26...Elisha said NO to the money!
DNA said:
That is a very good scripture for the money grubbers to consider. Many parallels with the ntcc can be drawn from the whole story of Naaman and Elisha. Elisha sent word to Naaman to go dip himself seven times in the river Jordan. Naaman wanted to go dip in a cleaner river. Sounds a lot like Kekel and the ntcc leadership. Nothing is ever good enough for them. A brand new mansion is built for them, but Tanya doesn't like the kitchen or and walk in closet doesn't have as much room as the last one.
Some folks can never be happy.
Naaman was happy when he was finally healed of his leprosy. He wanted to pay Elisha for healing him, but Elisha wasn't in it for the money. But Gehazi, Elisha's servant wanted the money and went back and got it. Not only did he get the money but he also got the leprosy, and not just on him but on his seed forever.
The ntcc is much more concerned about the money than they are anything else. The most important thing you are taught is to pay, not give. Giving is a lot different than paying. Tithe is to be paid and is mandatory. No choice involved whatsoever in the ntcc, when it comes to tithe. Giving is something that pleases God and it's encouraged that we do it cheerfully and willingly. There are monetary needs in the program of God, but if that program is being run by a bunch of selfish and greedy hirelings that only care with what benefits them, you'd be better off giving to your local animal shelter. At least if you provide for a dog or a cat, you might get some love back in return.
That's why they have to force you to pay tithe and give in all of their funds and offerings. If they were to teach giving responsibly they would not have the riches that they now have and the flock would not be fleeced like it is now. Ordinary church members would also experience the joys of giving and the blessings of being rewarded for the fruit of their labors.
Julie said...
NTCC likes to preach I Samuel 17 how the widow woman didn’t have much but she gave to the man of God. Well let’s look at this story. She gave to Elijah a man of God. What happen she had what she needed until the rain would provide her with more.
DNA said:
In the ntcc it never rains. You are told that all Christians pay tithe and give in offerings. You are promised that if you pay your tithe to them that God will open the windows of heaven and pour out a blessing that can not be contained. The problem is that when you give to the ntcc you are not giving to the man of God as the widow woman gave to Elijah. Elijah was hungry. He wasn't asking for a new Cadillac or a new Mercedes Benz. He wasn't in need of a bigger mansion to live in. Because his heart was in the right place and he wasn't seeking riches the widow's faith was rewarded and she the blessings from God.
In the ntcc, you do everything they tell you to do and you give to them and they get richer and richer. You might think you are giving to the Lord, but in actuality you are giving to Davis and Kekel, the ones that are never pleased with your gifts, the ones you can never do enough for, which are not really gifts because you do not have a choice in giving. You are giving them mandatory payments. And it never rains because God never receives the glory. You continue to live paycheck to paycheck and you, can't even provide the basic essentials for your family. The windows of heaven can't be opened because you have laid up your treasures on this earth by giving them to the likes of Davis and Kekel who are only hoarding your money for themselves. They are selfish and greedy, and they are preventing you from receiving any blessings.
DD said....They can't preach Elisha's doctrine in 2 Kings 5:26...Elisha said NO to the money!
This makes me think of when I was a little child. I asked who got all the money that was put in the offering plate. I was told God and the pastor. I struggled with who was God. At times I thought Davis was actually God which in my mind explained why Davis had so much for God owned everything.
As I think of what DD said it takes me back to my thoughts involving the bible as a child. I had been told Davis wasn’t required to give money. So right there it told me not all the bible applied to Davis. Then I would hear there are things that didn’t apply to pastors but applied to church members. Then there was stuff that only applied to church members. Finally there was there stuff that didn’t apply to anyone anymore.
This got my brain to thinking so one day in Texas at the dinner table in front of everyone including the G.I’s I announced I had a great idea. If I had at that moment looked in my father’s direction I would have seen the look of you are to be seen and not heard but I didn’t.
I said, I think we need to make new bibles. I got some very puzzled looks. I continued. I said, since there is stuff that doesn’t apply to nobody I think we need to not have it in there anymore. Then we can have a bible for Davis, (Of course I did not call him that at the time) one for pastors, and one for church members this way no one will be confused on what is for them. Then they can read the other bibles if they want to know what applies to others. I was excited for I thought I had come up with a great idea for it seemed people were confused on what was for them in the bible. I innocently spoke.
At that point though I caught my father’s eyes; the eyes that said leave the table and go to your room you are in trouble. I got up and walked to my room. Well if you could call it a room. My room was a bed mat in the corner of the laundry room.
Needless to say I got in trouble for my idea and told I shouldn’t be talking at the table. Then punishment follow. Afterwards I was still so confused on what was wrong but I knew better then to talk of the matter further.
Hugs,
Julie
Hmmm I wonder what these men put on their taxes as their income amount; seeing they feel the need to hide the money trail.
Hugs,
Julie
Those who know the background of the Malachi passage... is that the Levites received 10% from the populous of Israel... when they went up to Jerusalem to fulfil their every 24th week duties they brought a tenth of that tenth for support in the Temple for food in that storehouse. They did not own land. So there is no way to apply that to the NT Church. Malachi indicates the priests duty to bring that. The windows of heaven= rain for crops... because the tithe was always crops or livestock. New money. But That doesn't fit what the church in general teaches. In America 300 years ago the "tithe" was rediscovered when tge Church lost its power to tax the citizens!
Learn the truth, everyone
DD... you know me...
Photon said:
"The windows of heaven= rain for crops... because the tithe was always crops or livestock. New money. But That doesn't fit what the church in general teaches. In America 300 years ago the "tithe" was rediscovered when tge Church lost its power to tax the citizens!"
DNA said:
Thanks DD. That is something that everyone should know. It also goes to show you how willing the world is to let other people explain or 'interpret' the scriptures to them. Every single person that stays in the ntcc willingly has been taught that tithe is a New Testament requirement and that it is to be paid in cash. The ntcc is on this band wagon. They use Malachi to convince folks to pay tithes, even though tithe was always an agricultural gift in the old testament. Unfortunately people in the ntcc do not believe their bibles and neither do many church people today.
If they were teaching the truth, than the windows of heaven would open and blessings would rain on them, but as you pointed out DD, Malachi was talking about rain for crops.
You have to unlearn everything that the ntcc has taught you and read the bible and believe what it actually says; Not what some money grubbing greedy control freak wants you to believe that it says. Of coarse they want you to believe the Doctrine of tithes. If you didn't, how would Davis, Kekel and Ashmore obtain their mansions? They would have to work for them like everybody else.
The ntcc wants it's members to follow the letter of the law. Much of what they teach you is not biblical, and a lot of it is man made doctrine. You as an individual have to rightly divide the word of truth. Study your bibles and instead of trying to be like Davis or Kekel, be yourself and use the brain that God has given you. It's not there just because Davis says it's there. Read for yourselves.
Photon said:
" In America 300 years ago the "tithe" was rediscovered when tge Church lost its power to tax the citizens!"
DNA said:
That's a lot like the holiness or hell rule that the ntcc holds so dearly. The Holiness movement came about in the 19th century, but was never emphasized much prior to that. Again the ntcc has taken old testament scriptures out of context and brought them forward and mixed them with misinterpreted New Testament scriptures so that they can control peoples lives. It's interesting how Jesus never had anything to say about how people dressed, with the exception of the Pharisees who loved to wear long robes.
You see, the ntcc wants to isolate you for a couple reasons. They want you to dress differently than everyone else so you will feel unique, special and out of place. It's a litmus test and it also creates a holier than thou atmosphere. They preach 'holiness or hell', but they have much bigger issues than how a person dresses.
If you study history, you can see how bogus these rules are. Tithe was never required by Jesus, the apostles or the early church. Why all the sudden 300 years ago did God change His mind and carry it over into the New Testament? So called holiness standards that are kept by some in the ntcc and ignored by people like Tanya who likes to where her dresses so tight that she looks like a Zip-lock bag stuffed full of Jello, were never emphasized by Jesus, the Apostles or the early church but all the sudden God changed His mind and made it a prerequisite to heaven in the 19th century? Common!!!
Julie said:
"I said, I think we need to make new bibles. I got some very puzzled looks. I continued. I said, since there is stuff that doesn’t apply to nobody I think we need to not have it in there anymore. Then we can have a bible for Davis, (Of course I did not call him that at the time) one for pastors, and one for church members this way no one will be confused on what is for them."
DNA said:
Lol! That sure would have made things a lot easier for a lot of us back in the day. Of coarse, Davis wouldn't need a bible, because many considered him to be God. He never applied the rules to himself or his own family anyway. The Pastors, certainly got a pass on many of the rules in the ntcc, and they had power to enforce just about any man made rule they could come up with.
I like your idea Julie. The ntcc could probably get away with having different versions for different suckers. They could have a version for brand new converts. Call it the King Davis version for newly brainwashed suckers, the Red Letter Edition (words of Davis in red). The most important and highly emphasized scriptures would be:
Chapter 1: "Obey them that have rule over you"(in red). Ignore the rest of that scripture, it's not important.
Chapter 2: "All Christians pay tithes and give in offerings" (in Red). All manner of sin shall be forgiven in the ntcc except for not paying tithe.
Chapter 3: ""I can't remember the last time I sinned, and neither should you remember the last time I sinned. In fact you should believe that I am incapable of sinning" (in red).
Chapter 4 "Thou shalt not commit adultery" This only appears in the Newly Brainwashed Sucker Edition and has many stipulations such as: "If you or your wife decide to no longer attend ntcc services or pay tithe or obey the MOG, the brainwashed spouse that chooses to stay is no longer bound to that heathen who no longer attends services but has no desire to leave their spouse, but you are now free to commit adultery with the brainwashed member that we choose to match you up with. (Adultery on Demand)
5. It is a sin to have a dog or a cat, and don't expect me to visit your house if you have an animal living in it. (in red)
6. If I say the sky is green, than the sky is green, because I am the organization. (These words were actually spoken by Olson of Davis, but he is the mouthpiece for Davis, so we might as well make these words red also)
7. Thou shalt not wear devil stirrups or adorn thyself in any ornaments. Again this verse is for the Brainwashed Sucker Edition only and does not apply to pastors that are allowed to wear diamond pinky rings that are given to them as gifts.
8. Thy women and young girls shall wear dresses so the license carrying and child molesting perverts that we are hiding and harboring can have easy access to them.
9. If you bring an accusation against a board member or long time ntcc pastor in the ntcc, you must have two or three witnesses and hard evidence, or you will be the one that's chastised, unless you are presenting evidence that will destroy the testimony of someone who has left the ntcc, in which case we will accept rumors without witnesses. (the porn rumor usually works very well as we have used it to destroy the testimonies of many who have left)
10. If thy hair is not long enough to please me, thou shalt wear a wig as thy covering. Thou also mayest wear make up or foundation if you are married to a board member and hast many wrinkles that thou wishest to hide.
11. All rules are subject to change as Gawd, (I), see fit, or to accommodate my rebellious family that can't wait till I croak so they can upgrade into a bigger mansion.
12. All rules are to be followed without question, or you will be subject to public humiliation. If you dare question anything I say, you are questioning Gawd, so keep paying your tithe so that we can live like a bunch of fat cats while you struggle to make ends meet.
Julie said,
"I said, I think we need to make new bibles. I got some very puzzled looks. I continued. I said, since there is stuff that doesn’t apply to nobody I think we need to not have it in there anymore. Then we can have a bible for Davis, (Of course I did not call him that at the time) one for pastors, and one for church members this way no one will be confused on what is for them. Then they can read the other bibles if they want to know what applies to others. I was excited for I thought I had come up with a great idea for it seemed people were confused on what was for them in the bible. I innocently spoke."
DNA say,
Oh yes! We burst out laughing at this perfectly innocent interpretation of how messed up the ntcc is! The ntcc has so many rules and different standards for different "classes" of people, it would take totally different bibles for each group! LOL! Julie's statement qualifies as an axiom; or as the proverb says, "Out of the mouth of babes..."! That was a priceless observation from an innocent individual! Psa 8:2, Matt 21:16
DD said....Those who know the background of the Malachi passage... is that the Levites received 10% from the populous of Israel... when they went up to Jerusalem to fulfil their every 24th week duties they brought a tenth of that tenth for support in the Temple for food in that storehouse. They did not own land. So there is no way to apply that to the NT Church.
Good words DD! If people would only study the bible it would change how they see things and the burdens they think they must bare.
Hugs,
Julie
Thinking about what DD said. I remember when someone told me I could go to school. I would like really I am allowed to go. They said of course everyone can. Then they asked me why I wanted to learn to read better. I took a bible out of a bag and said because I want to know what this says. The meaning of verses in here keep changing and I am confused. I am tired of having to trust the word of others on what this or anything else says. I have to know for me. This person didn’t understand my desire for the bible but did see my eagerness for knowledge.
They started wanting to know what I knew. There was so much basic knowledge I didn’t know. I knew George Washington was in politics but didn’t know he had been the first president of the United States of America. I heard of Honest Abe but had no idea who he was in history. There was so much I had no answer give. The person testing me was very puzzled at my lack of information.
So it was decided to give me another test. I didn’t know this was an I.Q test. I was brought in for the results. They told me can you tell me about your background because we don’t understand how someone with such a high I.Q could score so low on a test. Thy said some of this stuff is taught at a young age. I explained that education in the world I had grew up in was discouraged. Girls getting married before they could graduate was more important.
I remember being pulled out from school under front that I was going to be homeschool. That was the biggest joke ever told.
Children in this org are pulled out of school for so many things it is crazy. They are pulled out for conferences, because you were up to late doing “ministry”, they want you to move so pull the children out of school even though it may take two weeks to get them back in to school but who cares obedience to God means you will be willing to sacrifice all you have; this is what I heard from the leaders in the org. Even if that means your children will walk around like ignorant idiots.
If Obedience to God will make you sacrifice everything then does that mean Davis, Kekel, Olson Ashmore, Johnson, and DiFrancesco are not obeying God because I am failing to see sacrifice? Hmmm my thirst for knowledge and understanding hasn’t changed from when I was a child. I feel the need to ask questions when the dots just don’t connect in the picture.
Hugs,
Julie
DNA....I like your idea Julie. The ntcc could probably get away with having different versions for different suckers. They could have a version for brand new converts. Call it the King Davis version for newly brainwashed suckers, the Red Letter Edition (words of Davis in red). The most important and highly emphasized scriptures would be:
Your bible chapters made me chuckle. Yet these chapters are right on without a doubt with what they preach. I wondered which bible lying would be a sin in for we know it would be in the org leaders bible?
Hugs,
Julie
Meant "not money" ... tithes were never cash... and also the poor did not pay tithes... ntcc would never tell us the truth...only "the traditions of men"
Think about this: There is no love in ntcc... there is fear... I saw it in the eyes of the upper echelon... the leadership have no love for each other only fear. Ministers who went against the leading of the Spirit... you see Davis made himself look good by putting down ALL other ministers in Christianity. I affirm to you that in the 70s... loyalty to RDub was placed above loyalty to God's word and Spirit, and thusly the True Church, made up of all believers... (Gal 3:26). If one does not DISCERN the body of the Lord... it leads to deception. They are heady and highminded, not humble. They could never do this: let each esteem other better than themselves.
Double D...
Julie said:
They started wanting to know what I knew. There was so much basic knowledge I didn’t know. I knew George Washington was in politics but didn’t know he had been the first president of the United States of America. I heard of Honest Abe but had no idea who he was in history. There was so much I had no answer give. The person testing me was very puzzled at my lack of information.
DNA said:
Isn't that just like the ntcc? I remember in the Servicemen's Home how that we were not allowed to talk to other GI's about the bible. Any thing with two heads was a freak, and we were not qualified to teach. The Cult was set up like that all the way through. Most everyone was very ignorant as to where their money went. We knew Davis was revered by many as a God, but very few of us knew that our tithe and offering money was enabling him to live the life of a millionaire.
Information was suppressed in the ntcc and there were things you didn't talk about and many things you were ignorant about. None of the members that were out in the field knew that Grant was participating in Sports, while they were all bringing notes to school from their parents saying that their religion forbade them from wearing shorts. Kids were getting F's in Gym class while Grant was having the time of his life playing Basketball and Football. Grown adults were telling their military leaders that they couldn't participate in PT unless they wore sweat pants instead of shorts. We weren't being persecuted for our stand for God, but we were being laughed at for our stupidity. Meanwhile in Graham, Tanya was wearing her tight dresses and Grant was wearing whatever he wanted to.
Julie said:
If Obedience to God will make you sacrifice everything then does that mean Davis, Kekel, Olson Ashmore, Johnson, and DiFrancesco are not obeying God because I am failing to see sacrifice? Hmmm my thirst for knowledge and understanding hasn’t changed from when I was a child. I feel the need to ask questions when the dots just don’t connect in the picture.
DNA said,
These ntcc control mongers know very little of sacrifice. Davis always talks about how he had to kneel down and pray facing the other direction because of the holes in his shoes. How many have ever seen him do that? Every time I've seen him in a prayer meeting not only doesn't he not kneel down, but he doesn't even close his eyes or move his lips. He just plants himself in a chair and sits there watching everyone else.
Kekel felt the need to share his past with everyone, but he had to go all the way back to the 60's when he was a bolo sinner kid to find examples of how he 'sacrificed' in life. He said him and his mom had to sacrifice when he was growing up. Big deal. Many of us struggled greatly in our childhoods. That doesn't have anything to do with marrying a cult leaders daughter and being handed everything on a silver platter. Oh, Kekel was called to be an administrator and thus he never had to pioneer a church or get his hands dirty in the ministry. He shared the story how that when he visited his mother years later when he was an ntcc board member and she had a broken toilet seat and he mocked his own mother in front of a bunch of Amen shouting ntcc cult members. He could of bought his mother a new house but he never even bothered to help her replace the toilet seat.
In the ntcc the only sacrifices that are being made are from all the church members. If the borg leaders ever sacrificed, it has never been shared by anyone in our lifetime who has known or seen them sacrifice anything.
Photon said:
"Think about this: There is no love in ntcc... there is fear... I saw it in the eyes of the upper echelon... the leadership have no love for each other only fear. Ministers who went against the leading of the Spirit... you see Davis made himself look good by putting down ALL other ministers in Christianity. I affirm to you that in the 70s... loyalty to RDub was placed above loyalty to God's word and Spirit
DNA said:
1 John 4:18 "There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love."
Folks are motivated much more by fear in the ntcc than the are by love. If you were to walk by a homeless person in the ntcc, and they asked you for some money, you would be driven by fear of what you had been taught, more than compassion to help one of God's creation who was suffering. I remembered struggling with this. My pastor would tell me that if you gave a homeless man, (bum), any money, they would just spend it on booze or drugs. It was always frowned upon by the ntcc to give anyone outside of the ntcc money and that includes charities. We all know that Davis and Kekel had a much greater need for our money than that person who was going to freeze to death sleeping under a bridge. I'll say this, even if that homeless (bum) did spend my money on booze to comfort himself in his last days, it would serve a better purpose than comforting Davis or Kekel.
Double D is right. There was no love in the hearts of the upper echelon ntcc board members. They ruled with fear. They love to point out that Jesus spoke more of heaven than he did of hell, but usually when he spoke of hell he was speaking of those who were like the Pharisees who were equivalent to the ntcc leaders during that time. But in the Actions and words of Jesus we see much more love than we do judgement. Jesus healed more people, and did more good than the time he spent rebuking Pharisees. He might have warned people of hell but his actions were of love mostly towards the rejected and helpless souls of this world than anyone else. You didn't see Jesus going around taking up offerings for people like Kekel and Davis. He helped blind people see and cast out devils. Davis and Kekel don't do anything like that, they just make it miserable for others. Jesus helped those who were tormented and afflicted. Davis and Kekel scorn those types of people. Jesus loved children and Kekel refers to them as filthy and evil children throwing hissy fits in the cookie isle. So why do people follow Davis and Kekel? It's not love, it's fear. Plain and simple.
DD said....If one does not DISCERN the body of the Lord... it leads to deception. They are heady and highminded, not humble. They could never do this: let each esteem other better than themselves.
Very good words DD.....very true.
Hugs,
Julie
I have thought about this often. RW would preach about the times he was put on a tight leash by the church board members. He couldn't even buy toilet paper for the church unless he got their permission. I wonder how much has changed?
Were we not put under similar restrictions? Why did we have to send so much of the money that came into the church to Graham? Why were all church accounts zeroed out when each pastor left? I know many of the churches we were at the accounts had thousands in it. We were given a small check of maybe 3 thousand to move on to the next dive
so that we could build that church account up. Oh yeah, we did this for God, because we were told that if you didn't do it you were not following God's calling...Hmmm REALLY?
I see some of the wives of their ministers wear necklaces now! It's all amazing to me!
DNA said....Folks are motivated much more by fear in the ntcc than the are by love. If you were to walk by a homeless person in the ntcc, and they asked you for some money, you would be driven by fear of what you had been taught, more than compassion to help one of God's creation who was suffering. I remembered struggling with this. My pastor would tell me that if you gave a homeless man, (bum), any money, they would just spend it on booze or drugs. It was always frowned upon by the ntcc to give anyone outside of the ntcc money and that includes charities.
This makes me think of a time in my life. I remember being homeless and my own mother wouldn't help me. I was told, I needed to be back in church because God said to help them that are in church not out.
I stood on a street begging for food to feed my son one time. I had spent all my money for medicine for my baby daughter. Alcohol and drugs were the furthered away from my mind at that time.
This family came out of a fast food restaurant and the couple made some comments about lazy homeless bums. Then their girl who was maybe 6 years old ran over to me. Her parents said Sarah come back here. Homeless people are dirty. That little girl came over to me. She said, Ma'am you can have my food. She then said some of the most sweetest words, "Jesus loves you because Jesus loves everybody."
I don't know how that girl could be like that with how her parents were but it touched my heart. At the time I was still confused on who God was but those words and that action never left my mind.
I can't think of this without tears.
NTCC ministers how can you say you love Jesus but turn your back on people Jesus brought into the world....are truly you feed His sheep or is that just nice words say. It is easy to say "Jesus loves you" but as the saying goes "actions speak louder than words." When is the last time you put action behind those words.
Think about it.
Hugs,
Julie
When reading ntcc bylaws and power structure. SHAME SHAME SHAME on ntcc for trying to change the Grace of God and Salvation into a business. There is no mention of Bishop, Pastor, Deacon, Teacher, or Shepherd, or anything that's related to Spirituality. Instead you get Founder, Chairman of the Board, Chief Executive Officer, etc. etc. Its so plain to see why there is Pedophilia, Adultery, Homosexuality in ntcc, and thats because there is no Spirituality at the top amongst the leaders. It's all based on business. It also eplains why there is no warmth, love or conern for the sick, poor, homeless, fatherless, motherless, widows or anyone that does not speak of money. Shame on the leaders of ntcc.
SHAME, SHAME, SHAME, On the leaders of ntcc for turning the GRACE OF GOD AND SALVATION into a business. When reading ntcc bylaws and there power structure. There is no mention of Bishop, Pastor, Deacons, Teacher. Instead you read Chief Executive Officer, Board President, Founder, General Overseer nothing relating to spiritualty. its know wonder why there's Pedophilla, Adultry, Homosexuality, because there is no spiritualty amongst the leaders. It also explains why there is on warmth, love, or concern for the homeless, the sick, poor, widows, or for anyone the does not speak of money. Shame on the leaders of ntcc for turning GOD'S free gift into a money making business.
Julie said,
"I don't know how that girl could be like that with how her parents were but it touched my heart. [...] those words and that action never left my mind.
I can't think of this without tears."
DNA say,
Now you understand how we feel about you and your love for God and souls!
DISAPPOINTED said,
"Shame on the leaders of ntcc for turning GOD'S free gift into a money making business."
DNA say,
DISAPPOINTED, your comments are spot-on as usual. In retrospect, everything is perfectly clear. NTCC corporate has always been all about the money. Sure, there are front line folks who care about souls. NTCC needs and exploits these good-will ambassadors of Christ to bring in a fresh flock for fleecing. Welcome back, DISAPPOINTED. It's good to see your comments!
Diana said,
"I have thought about this often. RW would preach about the times he was put on a tight leash by the church board members. He couldn't even buy toilet paper for the church unless he got their permission."
DNA say,
WAHAHAHA! That would be so funny, if it weren't a complete bald faced lie told by R. W. Davis, who has also shared, many times, that he appoints the board members, and any board member who doesn't vote [in agreement] with Davis, would be [kicked] off his board!
This is just another great example of Davis the-forked-tongue talking out of both sides of his mouth.
It saddens us to think of Julie or any child of God being homeless. The ntcc would like to see anyone who leaves their cult wind up on the streets, freezing to death under a bridge. In fact, Davis threatened a congregation with that very thing one time at the Ft. Campbell servicemen's home.
Photon said, "There is no love in ntcc... there is fear."
DNA say,
That is so true. I used to have people tell me that they were afraid of davis. At the time, I wasn't. I towed the company line and was oblivious to the obvious abuse. Folks, it's just not normal for a minister to hide behind the pulpit and scream at the congregation. Racial slurs being slung out from behind the pulpit - not normal and definitely not Christian. People being told what to wear and where to sit in a church with men on one side, women on the other - not normal, not Christian, not necessary. ntcc likes to make a big show of separating the sexes because they are so full of sex sins and sexual impropriety and deviants.
Diana said,
"Why did we have to send so much of the money that came into the church to Graham? Why were all church accounts zeroed out when each pastor left?"
DNA say,
See DISAPPOINTED's comment for the answer - it's a business. But that is not how GOD does things. Even under the law of Moses the congregation only gave a tenth. And, as Photon pointed out, it was crops or livestock. That tenth was for the Levites; who owned no land and thus had no crops or herds of their own. Furthermore, the Levites paid a tenth to Aaron. See Numbers 18:21-32.
ntcc tries to claim they have this Levitical right to a tenth. But they take way more than 10 percent. They are wrong on multiple levels on this false doctrine.
Disappointed said....SHAME, SHAME, SHAME, On the leaders of ntcc for turning the GRACE OF GOD AND SALVATION into a business.
Yes truly shame on them for sure.
Matthew 21:13 says...And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Read it for yourself people it is in that bible they tell you to leave at home every service.
Disappointed I am so glad you commented it does my heart a world of good to see your comments. Thank you!
Hugs,
Julie
Diana said:
"I see some of the wives of their ministers wear necklaces now! It's all amazing to me!"
DNA said:
You are right Diana. I've noticed that too. There is one Facebook page that has VD next to another ministers wife. You can tell that the ministers wife is covered with 'warpaint' and her lips are shiny and glistening with lipstick. It also looks like VD (Verna Davis) is wearing lipstick and foundation in that picture. We saved it and sent you a copy, just in case it gets deleted.
The ntcc are a bunch of hypocrites. There is no way that any minister's wife could get away with that when we were in. There are so many testimonies of women getting blasted publicly for wearing jewelry, but Davis and his hypocritical entourage would adorn themselves with unnecessary diamond pinky rings and Davis of course with his rolex watch. What hypocrites, screaming at women for wearing necklaces or ear rings. Most of the board members wives use foundation to hide wrinkles and who cares? If it were not for the fact that people were run off by Davis and other wanna be preachers for less. What a bunch of snakes. Jesus called them vipers.
Diana said...He couldn't even buy toilet paper for the church unless he got their permission.
Diana you remember about something that happened involving toilet paper in the org.
When I was a kid in one of the servicemen's homes I was living in at the time, there was an issue with toilet paper. It was said we were using too much. I am not sure who first said it but it got to one of the board leaders.
They came and we were told everyone needed to cut back on their use of toilet paper. I was told to only use a few squares.
I took care of the members' children during meetings. Does one know how hard it is to get little ones to only use a couple of squares. I had to make what I was given to last through meetings for the children hoping I wouldn't run out.
I had to ask for toilet paper when I needed. I got to the point I was willing to use anything including using the tissue I just blew my nose for bathroom business.
When I cleaned the "pee war" room as I called the men only bathroom. I would hope to found a spare roll of toilet paper. I only found one once and I hid that one.
I can't speak on totally what the G.Is rules were during this time but I can only imagine.
Thanks Diana for commenting you are one amazing woman that is still as wonderful as you were when I first remember meeting you at age 5.
Remember people children don't forget.
Hugs,
Julie
Sometimes comments don't publish in order, when there is a lot of traffic, so if you don't see your comment where you thought you left it arrow up to see if it published in the order you wrote it.
Julie said,
"I remember being pulled out from school under front that I was going to be homeschool. That was the biggest joke ever told."
DNA say,
They pulled Julie out of school so she wouldn't be able to tell the teachers about her 'father' having sex with her and pimping her out to other men. We believe in another post Julie shared she had a 4th grade education. If we are not mistaken, most people in 4th grade are around the age of 9 years old. Isn't that how old Julie was when her so-called father's sex with her escalated to full blown rape sessions and pimping her out to other men? *Disgusted and angered at the man for violating a sacred trust and afflicting an innocent child! - *gag** ...
In Julie's words "In Louisiana the touching continued until I turned 9 that is where full sex began. I didn’t understand it but the sexual stuff threw me into early puberty. I had 36 C breasts by 9 ½. This caused some ill development. ( by the age of 10 some people thought I was 18)
There were a few men that lived near us which started having sex with me. At first it would seem that they acted alone but I began to complain about going over to their house. They had kids that I was supposed to be visiting but some times when I was sent over there they weren’t there. My father didn’t seem to care almost like he knew what was happening. My mother started having many health issues and I became even more important to my father with his sexual needs. This is when the journey began of having sex with my father started until I was 16 and married." Click Here to read Part 4 (mobile view)
DNA said...They pulled Julie out of school so she wouldn't be able to tell the teachers about her 'father' having sex with her and pimping her out to other men. We believe in another post Julie shared she had a 4th grade education. If we are not mistaken, most people in 4th grade are around the age of 9 years old.
Okay I feel the need to clarify something so no misunderstanding. My Parents did try to pull me out when I was 9 but got in trouble with the state. They did not pull me out again until I was 13 years old. This gave my father more time without others around. I had a 4th grade education because I was pulled in and out of school so much I could keep up.
Now for all you that think I am lying why clarify anything. I clarify because the truth is more important to me than making up stories. I hate lying with a passion.
I have no need for pity parties. I speak to get you to look at the golden calves you worship and the stuff they do. Also to let those that have left know how smart they were for leaving.
DNA thanks for the good comment just wanted to make sure things were in correct order.
Hugs,
Julie
Thanks for clarifying. I know what you mean about the truth being important.
I recall that they complained about TP usage... RW did. But if I'm payin a lot of money in offerings..why complain about a few sheets of TP from the pulpit...
Instead of preaching the WORD he trained people to ride hobby horses from the pulpit. I socked RW once in 1973 when I preached in Tillicum that like Paul said, "I think that I also have the Holy Spirit"
I'm now so glad I said this as hecsat in the audience... as I preached.. "We've heard from brother Gaylord and brother Davis. ... but I think that I also have the Holy Spirit" meaning he had no special revelation...
I was around as RW was slowly building his power base ... and I was there and saw him preach at *shock* other denominations.! .. and he let other denominational men preach in his pulpit.!. one I recall had a *shock* mustache! !
I was teaching in BS when Kekel arrived andcwas a nobody... I was there when sister Warne was asked from the pulpit... next to RW why women wore necklaces... it was to draw sttention to their bosoms... but it was not much later.. Tanya and Debbie wore diamond necklaces... I saw sister Verna wear a see thru blouse! you could see her lacey bra! But as is true in dysfunctional families... you have no power to see what YOU SEE NOR TO THINK FOR FREE in reality...
Also that goes for mind controlling CULTS!
Ange says,
My impression of Verna Mae Davis is that she's a cheap floozy who would sell herself to gain material wealth.
When I left St louis hq to go to teach in Tacoma as the first teacher sent there - you see - to start a bible school there... I stopped in Dallas to visit friends, the Salvadors, I was shocked to hear of all the infighting in the org. I heard of the things they suffered of ministers as they worked their SVCMNS HOME. I then saw the reality, how all was not well... the Salvadors were burned by the org... as were the Taylors no doubt. Diana, it was not the Lord... who did that... it was people NOT IN THE SPIRIT of God.
I am sorry for how badly ntcc turned out... like I said prior, there is no divine agape love there. Only fear.. and THE REAR OF MEN BRINGS A SNARE.
One last thought... I was taught that evangelism was preaching publicly on the streets... but I never saw RW preach on the street...or heal the sick at a shopping mall or city park (which is what we do today in Portland) this is what Jesus did... and which was never taught in ntcc.
RW always pulled the plug on the Spirit of God's reality...
We would have been impressed to see RW and Verna praying for homelesscin a park...handing out mercy to a drug adduct ...
But that toomis something we never saw by example. Would Tanya or McK do this? No! Its foreign to them... I do pity ntcc at the judgment... NO REWARD!
I remember Rodger Davis saying how he met Verna Mae when she came "Sashaying" into the club. I've never been a big fan of the club scene and would not shop in one for a spouse. But Rodger's never kept his wedding vows. That's why he was forced out of his first marriage and the church and had to shop for wifey #2, Verna Mae, and start his own cult - the New Testament Churches - so he could call all the shots. In my opinion Verna Mae has very low self esteem to stay with that serial adulterer and accused pedophile Rodger. I think that's why she puts so much emphasis on outward appearance - low self esteem. Over the years that bunch has spiraled out of control giving themselves over to fleshly lusts and materialism. There is no accountability, no system to put them in check. We see the results in the rampant abuse of every kind that abounds in NTTC.
Darwin said:
I then saw the reality, how all was not well... the Salvadors were burned by the org... as were the Taylors no doubt. Diana, it was not the Lord... who did that... it was people NOT IN THE SPIRIT of God.
I am sorry for how badly ntcc turned out... like I said prior, there is no divine agape love there. Only fear.. and THE FEAR OF MEN BRINGS A SNARE.
DNA said:
The ntcc has brought sorrow to many people. I was turned from the gospel by Davis and others in the organization. Darwin, you shared how that there was no divine agape love there and how that the word shares: THE FEAR OF MEN BRINGS A SNARE. Prov 29:25 Our lives were wrecked because of the lack of love. Fear takes over in the absence of love. You could not approach anyone in the ntcc because there was fear that what you shared with an ntcc pastor would come back at you over the pulpit.
In the next comment I want to share a story that is inspired by this comment.
When I was coming to the end of my time with the ntcc, it seemed like there was nothing hopeful left. I had gone through all the motions of doing what is expected in the ntcc, and I was run down, exhausted and had nobody to talk to. I could tell that the preaching was dead and it was hard to listen to the same thing over and over.
One night I began to think about leaving and it caused great fear to come over me. It was the first time I ever considered seriously leaving the ntcc. I thought that if I left I would surely be leaving God and that I would be condemned throughout eternity. In my zeal to do what I thought was right, I prayed and asked God to kill me if I ever left the ntcc. You see, I thought that if I left the organization that my testimony would destroy others, and other people would lose out with God because of me. That is a very disturbed way of thinking. I wanted God to kill me because I thought that if I left the ntcc, I would be leaving God and that others would leave the ntcc, and thus they would be leaving God also, all because of me. Where did I learn this? I mean this is a seriously twisted way of thinking.
I left the ntcc, and when I left I felt like I was leaving God. I tried going to a few other churches and at the time it still wasn't in my heart to leave God. Every time I met a Christian or went to a church with a different group, I scrutinized them, as I was taught. I went to a oneness church and they were a mirror image of the ntcc. They had a scripture for every other group that didn't believe the way they believed. They would love you to death if you accepted their doctrine, but if you questioned anything they would get indignant just like the ntcc, and there was no agape love.
I eventually gave in to my former teachings and believed that I was condemned to spend eternity in the lake of fire. I stopped going to churches and I slowly started to allow myself to indulge in the things that I knew were wrong.
Continued below....
I have thought about the years I put into that organization, and while some people considered it a waste I consider it a learning experience! I have made some very good friends through it all!
I always have thought why Kekel never went out into a work. I even asked RW when was Tanya going to go out into a servicemen's work. He just scrunched up his face and said that they would not ever go out. I never forgot that! Why would they never go out? Well all you have to do is take a look at what they are doing now and you know why?
Some people probably wonder why I have not been that outspoken...Some of it has to do with me taking a mental note of all that has happened since we left. The hypocrisy of this organization and their leaders! How in the world can Davis sleep at night knowing he screwed over many good people?
continued from above....
God never killed me. I was no longer going through the motions and I was doing my own thing and living a life of sin. I wasn't constantly tormented by thoughts of leaving the ntcc, like I was told I would be if I ever left. Every once in a while I would cry because I missed God, and even though I was in a cult that messed up my mind, I some point I had experienced the true love of God. Maybe it was through prayers of repentance or prayers to God to deliver my soul from the torment that I felt, but it was real enough to make me miss it and I was fearful from time to time that I would never experience Christs love again.
I've shared my testimony of how Ange got in contact with me and shared some very important scriptures about grace and love. I ended up believing that there was nothing I could have done that couldn't be forgiven. Anyway, I had just enough faith to believe that God could actually forgive me, and that was all I needed.
At that moment of forgiveness and mercy, I realized that a great deal of the doctrine that was taught to me in the ntcc was false. It had to be false because here I was, delivered from the legalism, free from the fault finding spirit that we all had in the ntcc, free from doctrine that was opposite to the teachings and actions of Jesus, and most of all, free from the fear that I had deep inside.
I can tell you that the phoniness of the ntcc is not a place where you will find agape love. If you want to be scrutinized and criticized go to the ntcc and be one of the few arrogant souls that survives the gauntlet of hate and fear. If you ever want to come back to God, just forget what the ntcc has taught you and re-learn the bible. The words of Jesus in red will let you know that you are loved in spite of what the ntcc would have you believe. It's really much easier than we've been taught. I'm glad God didn't answer my foolish prayer to kill me if I ever left the ntcc. We now are committed to helping people realize that the ntcc is a very abusive and hurtful cult and we are here to share our stories and testimony with you so you can be free from the cult and it's leaders.
The ntcc is a seriously messed up cult. We can't warn you enough to stay away from this cult. Most of the people that are still in the cult are messed up beyond repair. There is nothing you can say to wake them up. If they were in a burning building they would burn to death. Spiritually they are in a burning building, and they won't allow anyone to help them.
Diana said,
"I always have thought why Kekel never went out into a work. I even asked RW when was Tanya going to go out into a servicemen's work. He just scrunched up his face and said that they would not ever go out. I never forgot that! Why would they never go out?"
DNA say,
Oh, yeah, Baby. You KNOW they will never go out into a servicemen's work. Because that IS work. Baby Tanny (tanya) is never going to work for Jesus!
It just proves that the ntcc 'leaders' are not leaders. Leading requires that the leader be in front leading the way by example. The ntcc so-called 'leaders' are just slave drivers who sit in the back, cracking the whip. Hypocrites.
This shows that Davis was not interested in souls. He just wanted to establish an empire where he could be the unquestioned ruler and do whatever he wanted while everyone else did all the work. That's why he talks about all of us as "strong backs with weak minds".
Davis and Kekel simply exploit people. That is not Christ-like. The good shepherd gives his life for the sheep. ntcc has it backwards. They want the sheep to give their lives for the hirelings that run ntcc!
We hope you people running these servicemen's homes realize that you are better than the kekels. You are doing the work. You don't need kekel. What is he going to tell you about a work that he has never done? When I want tips on how to paint, I ask a painter. You cannot get tips on how to minister from someone who only serves himself. kekel is not a servant of Christ; so kekel cannot tell you what to do. He's clueless.
If you want advice on how to be an overbearing insulting pompous bully-pulpit blow-hard, then kekel is your boi. Ask away. He will have plenty of tips for you.
If you want to know how to lead someone to Christ, how to live a sacrificial life for Christ, how to love like Christ - steer clear of kekel - or do the exact opposite of him.
Part 1
I would like to speak about the phase that sends fear into many hearts that is the phase “man of God”. When I first thought of speaking on this phase I thought of how even the word man put fear into my very soul but as I have stepped out into this journey of freedom it is changing. Just the very mention of the word man could at times send me to the bathroom to literally puck.
I think about being in the org and how I would feel when someone would say “The Man of God” wants to speak to you, how that would make my heart tremble for it meant insults sometimes public humiliation. I never heard the words I care, I love you, I am thinking about you, or even I am praying for you growing up or even as an adult.
As God as begun to heal my heart I am learning simplicity can carry value. Folks it has taken me a long time to get where I am; I haven’t got here in the blink of an eye. It has taken time. So don’t be hard on yourself for not healing overnight.
We have in NTCC the top person “man of God” which it is taught you are to follow everything he says never questioning in the least. Then there are the ministers that they teach are also are “men of God” which their church members are to follow without questioning for they are following God. If you are following Davis or Kekel but yet you say you are following God does that not say you are calling them God?......and people wondered why I was so confused on who actually was God. Well forgive my simplicity but if these are what the definition of this phase is, then what are the men that are church members called “Cats of God”. Now if they be “cats of God” no wonder they teach you to use and abuse the members of the church for they hate cats.
You see people when I teach children how to do a dot to dot and they have find number 10 they know that they must then find number 11 and if it isn’t there the picture will never be right no matter what they do. People there are numbers missing in the picture of NTCC; you can pretend it doesn’t matter but with the missing numbers the picture will never look right.
Now let’s look at this phase that has been held over your head for I would like to share it in a different light. As we look at this phase lets first look at that little word “of”. Great things can come in small packages. If you look up this word in the dictionary (dictionary is my best friend) you will find that it means “belonging to or connect to” so what this phase really is saying is a man belonging to God. If you have God in your heart “You are a man or woman of God” for you belong to God. This phase has nothing to do with power over people as many many people like to say. The bible says “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.” Galatians 3:28
I question whether the leaders of NTCC really belong to God.
The Bible says, II Corinthians 11:13-15 “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
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Part 2
If you have left NTCC and you are questioning who you are, I want to set one thing straight in your heart and mind. You are still “A man or woman of God”; nothing or no one can change that fact, period. Man didn’t give you salvation and man can’t take it away. You may say you don’t know how I have been since I left I have not done this right or that right. I have failed. The greatest failure in life is someone that can’t admit they are imperfect because God only knows how to use imperfection. It is the best kind of material to God.
So let me say again you are a man or woman of God with Jesus in your heart and nothing you do or don’t do can change it. You are a man or woman of God so claim it.
Oh yes I know you that contact me and say I am woman I shouldn’t be speaking don’t I know my place. Yes I do know my place my place is to speak the simple words from God for he made me simple for a reason. Would you prefer God use “cats” to speak because I guarantee you He can use whatever He pleases?
You can tell me all these big words mocking me for not understanding and mocking my imperfections but all it does is confirm to me that you are not of God. You say Don and Ange are forcing me to not be as God would have me to be. They have not forced me to do or say anything. They just love me unlike the leaders of org did not and encouraged me to follow God and God alone. Don and Ange don’t just talk about the Bible they live it. They have shown unconditional love something thanks to the org and my parents, I had never experienced before.
You talk bad of Ange to me but yet in your next breath you tell me I need to follow her example and not step out alone as a woman and speak; for she only speaks standing with her husband. Really!!! Have you not read the blog and how many times it says Ange says this? Or how she talked to Don about God. Hmmm and you say I am the dumb one……
The bibles says “a double minded man is unstable in all his ways.” James 1:8 Leaders of NTCC you are truly unstable in all your ways and you are causing others to be as well.
I was like a bird in a cage and from my view the door was locked with a hook but thanks to God, Don and Ange saw the other side of the door letting me know it wasn’t locked as I thought. They loved me in the cage but let me decide if I wanted to leave the cage I was in. As I pushed open the door. I began to discover I had wings. One problem is I had never used these wings so I didn’t know they could help me fly but Don and Ange encouraged me if I wanted to fly I could; always leaving it my chose. As I learned by their example that God gives the best flying lessons I began to learn to fly. It hasn’t always been easy and sometimes God through them has had to remind me to rest the wings for practicing to fly is good but at times tiring. I have found flying bring the most beautiful view of life.
Just so you know; your cage isn’t lock either but unlike NTCC I won’t demand you open it……but when you decide to open it there is loving people here that will encourage you as you learn to fly.
I am not whole yet but I am closer today than I was yesterday and will be closer tomorrow than I am today.
Hugs,
Julie
Wow, not sure what to say. We were glad that we were able to help you Julie. I know that there are many others that would tell you some of the same things that we have said. All we can say is that God is Love. John broke it down plain and simple.
1 John 4:8 "He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love."
That's about as simple as it gets. They never loved you because they didn't love God. You are an easy person to love. If you love God you will love the brethren. Most of the cult members were too caught up in knocking on doors and going through all the motions to take time to love anyone in the ntcc. The so called men of God in the organization were under too much pressure to perform to show much love at all. It was never about love in the ntcc. Very seldom did anyone appreciate anything you did for God. They definitely didn't have time to help you if you had a problem or needed encouragement.
We are guilty as charged. We love Julie. She has been hurt by people who didn't love her. The so called "men of God" in the organization never helped or encouraged her. They took advantage of her and used her. They tried to keep her quiet and shut her up, because they didn't want their precious money making organization to suffer. They never encouraged her. And if you don't believe her there are many other testimonies on Jeff's blog and GS/DS blog and on fact net, that will tell you the same thing. We are not all just bitter e-xers that hate the ntcc. We hate what the ntcc does to people and we hate the deeds of the ntcc just like Jesus hated the deeds of the Nicolaitans.
Now we don't claim to be apostles, or bishops, or to hold any titles or to have any degrees. We do however have love in our hearts for the people who have suffered in the ntcc and we also love God, if that's alright with those of you who think that there is no love outside of the ntcc. We care about people that never had a choice, and we also care about the ones who were lied to and used and were never listened to or encouraged or given any help or hope whatsoever. That's how it was in the ntcc. They didn't care much about anyone. It was all about money or numbers.
I was around as RW was slowly building his power base ... and I was there and saw him preach at *shock* other denominations.! .. and he let other denominational men preach in his pulpit.!. one I recall had a *shock* mustache! !
I was teaching in BS when Kekel arrived andcwas a nobody... I was there when sister Warne was asked from the pulpit... next to RW why women wore necklaces... it was to draw sttention to their bosoms... but it was not much later.. Tanya and Debbie wore diamond necklaces... I saw sister Verna wear a see thru blouse! you could see her lacey bra! But as is true in dysfunctional families... you have no power to see what YOU SEE NOR TO THINK FOR FREE in reality...
Wow this makes me think of when I was a child and all the back and forth standards.
When my parents were in bible school it was the thing for little girls including Tanya to wear flower barrettes on the side of their hair. Then one day it was announced that God had spoken that is was now wrong.
I would go to Davis' house and Tanya would still be wearing them. It was very confusing to me.
I would think they say that God is wise but yet He seems to be confused on what He wants from people.
It would be preached "Don't get mad at me its bible". At about 5 or 6 I remember thinking that since things (standards) would change so much; that the words in the Bible would magically be changed as God was trying to make up His mind on what He wanted in people's lives.
Has many things were right today, wrong tomorrow; right for one wrong for another. I started thinking God played favorites.
I thought the reason others were made was simply to do all the jobs His favorites didn't want to do.
As I got a little older I became to be even more confused when I heard the scripture preached "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." Hebrews 13:8
I was like He isn't the same yesterday to day and forever because they (the leaders) keep letting us know as God changes His mind so I know He isn't the same for I knew 'same' meant never changing. The quarter was worth .25 cents yesterday and it is still worth .25 today. This is how the word same was taught to me.
DD thanks for the comments.
Hugs,
Julie
DaA: take a look at this site, if you haven't already...
http://www.a-new-hope.org/hopcc-lies/
thanks for the link. i now know what happened to pilkington. too bad he was influenced in the wrong direction. hopefully he wakes up.
thanks for the link. i now know what happened to pilkington. too bad he was influenced in the wrong direction. hopefully he wakes up.
R. Denis was an answer to prayer. I asked God to send Davis someone just like he was.
Denis was able to do something unseen in the ntcc - he drove Davis to his knees on the platform in conference.
Don't get excited though. Davis was only emotional about losing all that money and power when half of ntcc's trained ministers left one borg to start a new borg.
People tried to warn Davis that Denis was bad. But just like the cries of children being molested in the NTCC, those pleas fell on the deaf ears of Davis.
(IMO) Davis chose to get in bed with Denis and Davis chose to allow children to be harmed. Wouldn't God's fitting response be thus:
Isa 66:4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.
Wake up people. NTCC and HOPCC - Assembly of Prayer are NOT about saving souls. They are both simply corporations set up to make their founder lots of money.
Both NTCC and HOPCC-AoP prey upon the military to exploit young service members.
Ange said...Denis was able to do something unseen in the ntcc - he drove Davis to his knees on the platform in conference.
People tried to warn Davis that Denis was bad. But just like the cries of children being molested in the NTCC, those pleas fell on the deaf ears of Davis.
Davis to his knees interesting.....yes always a deaf ear. When I was 16 years old I was before Davis, Kekel, and Ashmore. I was struggling with everything that had happened in my life. It wasn't by chose I was before them but my heart and soul was full to the brim until it flowed out my mouth.
I began to say I didn't understand why I had to do things with men I didn't want to.....why did I have no chose. I shared how that the for my 16 birthday my gift from my father was sex with him. I was sobbing uncontrolably to the point my body weakened falling on the floor on my chair. None of these "men" bothered to help me up. Kekel just chuckled saying at least 'God' found some use for someone like the "loving Julie". Ashmore just laughed this very evil laugh that still rings in my ears. (it was right before me being married)These men just sat there mocking my pain. I was referred to as feeble minded.Mocking the fact that I was sobbing so hard I was having a hard time talking.
What this told me is that God didn't care about the pain of my heart. It made me believe no in the world cared about me. It was the first time I felt to the core it wouldn't matter if I lived or died except to put me in the ground no one would notice or care about me dying.
I went on carrying this for many years.
When I spilled it out I thought they might realized what they had done caused me pain and what my father had done was killing my heart and soul. That they would explain why it was necessary for me. I was sadly mistake.
I have come to realize God does care. There are people out there that do love me for me as the song goes.
The many friends I have found shocks me. People like Diana, Debbie R., and many others that carry an importance to me. I now understand what people mean by real friends. The small things that say I crossed their mind today. I am thankful that someone reached into the darkness and let me see light.
These men don't care in the least for anyone.
Hugs,
Julie
There you have it folks. No longer a child, now able to speak for herself. Julie is showing you what kekel, davis, and ashmore are really like. They are callous predatory pedofiles.
When reading Julies story its very heart breaking to read that her parents sexually her and ntcc did nothing about it. It should also be heart breaking and disturbing that the st. clairs are still mid-level leaders of ntcc ministries. In I COR:5:5-7 Paul confronted an account where a young man wanted to have sex with his fathers wife. Paul shows the severity of that act and how it should be dealt with. Mr. and Mrs. st. clair should have been dealt with by ntcc and the local authorities for sexuality molesting there innocent daughter, however its not to late for her to bring charges against them and possibly ntcc as well for not reporting the abuse when they became aware of it.
The only thing that these people understand is power. We basically gave them power over us, when we ignorantly voted RDUB into office. He was a dictator, and when absolute power is unchecked, and all his plans are rubber stamped by a corrupt, greedly, and self serving board, then the absolute power corrupts absolutely. The only way to stop them is to prosecute them for their abusive acts, for their rape, incest, perversion, and their theft. You in the NTCC can vote them out! Look at the Missouri not for profit corporations act, and DEMAND it. You who have been sexually assulted, contact the press, and the Attorney General of Washington State, and the AG of Missouri, as well as the State where these crimes were perpetrated!
I'm glad to see these latest comments. I've purposely been holding back on this story, allowing others to have time to read and process this painful testimony.
When Julie first started sharing her story with us in private, it took me a long time to process my responses and reactions to all that she has suffered while a child. I am by no means finished.
So I wanted to afford others a chance to think on these events and ask themselves if this sounds like Christianity. Julie grew up in the NTCC, a so-called holiness, so-called Christian church.
Christianity is supposed to be about a holy love that allows people to see Christ. Jesus gave His life so we could live. That is love.
What this organization, the NTCC, and its so-called ministers have done is so ungodly and not at all like Jesus.
Please ask yourselves if the years of abuse Julie suffered sounds like something that God would want for His child.
And ask yourself what you can do about it.
How can you help?
If you can not help, please do not hurt.
Most victims of abuse do not report because the responses they receive and the "help" proffered is often as painful as the abuse.
One of the worst reactions is unbelief.
Please think on these things and consider your response. Some of you have been very discreet and wise in your treatment of Julie. Thank you for that. Some of you have simply offered pure uncomplicated love. Thank you for that. Some have simply missed the mark of Christian love.
We're praying for you and ask that you would also pray for us and Julie.
All of those who conspiriared together to hide these disgusting acts, are as guilty as the perpetrators of these crimes. The leaders of this cult must be forced to repay the church members, the money they stole from them, and sent to prison to pay society for their crimes. It is time to find a law firm that will file a class action lawsuit against these people. I will give the first $100 for a legal defence fund. Tell your stories people.
Julie said:
"When my parents were in bible school it was the thing for little girls including Tanya to wear flower barrettes on the side of their hair. Then one day it was announced that God had spoken that is was now wrong."
DNA said:
You know, if the ntcc leaders were not so 'in your face' with their man made doctrine it would be one thing. What they do is totally absurd, and why we ever followed them is beyond me. Being in Servicemen's works, I never seen the double standards in the upper echelon, but I did see the arrogance. Of course we never called them on anything either. It would have been spiritual suicide, for a church member to call out a board member. But it seems like many of us were under the same delusion. We would say things like, "God said it, I believe it, and that settles it." But so many times God didn't say it, but because so much emphasis was placed on the MOG being God's oracle, we believed or went along with everything they said.
It was all just a big show. Every bit of it. The so called holiness dress standards were a big show to make people think we were holy and pure, so that people wouldn't really know about the sick sexual abuse and perversion that was going on in the ntcc.
Tanya was born about 3 years before the ntcc started. While many of us were not around when Davis split from the PCOG's, there were many accounts given of Davis's indiscretions, adultery and sexual abuse. People have shared things that we are not at liberty to repeat, but there have been more than two or three witnesses of Davis using his office and position of power to abuse young women. But throughout the years, Tanya has been a glaring example of what is wrong with the ntcc, from it's conception.
Davis preached vehemently against others who were doing the same things as Tanya or less. While Davis tried to keep Tanya's adoption a secret, someone let the cat out of the bag, and people spoke in hushed tones about it back in the early 80's. I first heard it in 83 when Cyrus said something about it, but told us not to repeat it. So many folks are coming out and sharing how Tanya, a lot like Grant, lived a life where very few if any rules applied to her, however, unlike Grant, she was not considered a sinner for some reason. Then we find out that Tanya lied on her application to the adoption registry stating that her maiden name was Tanya Maxamillia Kekel. Of course if any of us so much as playfully exaggerated, we would be thrown into the same category as "All liars shall have their part in the lake of Fire" judgement. But Tanya Kekel has always been disobedient to the ntcc rules, her own fathers man-made doctrines and to the bible. Mike and Tanya remind me of Ahab and Jezebel. They are the royal king and queen of the ntcc, but they are not righteous.
DISAPPOINTED said...
"It should also be heart breaking and disturbing that the st. clairs are still mid-level leaders of ntcc ministries."
DNA said:
There is definitely a different set of standards for people like Fontenot, Kinson and St. Clair. Davis is the founder of the feast and it's no mystery why he chose to look the other way. I use that term, "look the other way" lightly because in fact, he condoned, enabled and encouraged the type of behavior that the St. Clairs are guilty of. Not only was St. Clair allowed to stay in the ntcc, but he continued the abuse over a period of time.
The ntcc is no better than the Catholics. They have the nerve to call the Catholic church the Great whore, but they are doing the same things. They have ministers that were pedophiles, perverts and sexual deviants, molesting and sexually abusing minors and their own children for crying out loud. They allowed these licensed ministers to use their office and power to commit acts of homosexuality, incest, child abuse, child sexual abuse, adultery and rape, and they have never taken any responsibility for the victims that have been hurt. They continue to enable this type of perversion by allowing people like St. Clair and Kinson to serve in positions of leadership in their perverted organization.
Video added to the Timothy P. Hasty Memorial Page (at the bottom of the post). Click the "comment by" link.
Diana said....I always have thought why Kekel never went out into a work. I even asked RW when was Tanya going to go out into a servicemen's work. He just scrunched up his face and said that they would not ever go out. I never forgot that! Why would they never go out? Well all you have to do is take a look at what they are doing now and you know why?
Yep Tanya has a lot of control in life. She always has had say in what she did or didn't do. She fits the definition of laziness to a T.
Diana people like you help me to see value in life. I hate how we met but I am so thankful that we met.
Hugs,
Julie
I affirm to you that in the 70s... loyalty to RDub was placed above loyalty to God's word and Spirit, and thusly the True Church, made up of all believers... (Gal 3:26). If one does not DISCERN the body of the Lord... it leads to deception. They are heady and highminded, not humble. They could never do this: let each esteem other better than themselves.
Yes they have put the loyalty to the man above God back then as well as even now. I agree DD they will never esteem others above themselves. So much proud acting as the fool that is filled with so much sin.
Hugs,
Julie
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