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A Former ntcc Minister said...
Ya, Anonymous, I remember my Pastor telling me to get out of cleaning duties and get out of having to go to the field, get out of taking a course, get out of going on a trip, etc. Anything that interrupted their precious soul-snatching time he wanted me to get out of. My NCO was not even requiring me to clean anything once, just do my duty as an NCO and watch two subordinates clean after hours in the barracks. It was my turn. I was so loyal to my pastor that I kept going back and forth telling him what the NCO told me then he finally told me to tell him something like "I'm trying to get out of this." I told him that and I think his words were "go, Corporal." So I left, and as I recall, he was mad at me for leaving. What a great "Christian" testimony to my fellow Marines- a slacker, a skater, trying to shirk my responsibilities.
July 05, 2011 6:51 PM
A Former ntcc Minister said...If a man asks you to go with him a mile, tell him "No, I am trying to get out of this so I can go soul-snatching for my incorporation."
This is of course not what Jesus said.
July 05, 2011 6:52 PM
Anonymous said..."Ya, Anonymous, I remember my Pastor telling me to get out of cleaning duties and get out of having to go to the field, get out of taking a course, get out of going on a trip, etc."
The pastors in NTCC basically would try to get you to be negligent of your duties that you promised to uphold when you swore into the military. You were told to get out of going to the field, being on barracks duty, mess hall duties, and any other unit functions. Then you would stay up with him and others within the servicemen's home and be late for PT or formations. You would skip getting ready for an inspection or ironing your BDUs in order to stay out there. Your PFT takes a hit, your reputation among NCOs and Staff NCOs takes a hit, and you should have had been written up under an Article 15 or some UCMJ reprimand.
July 06, 2011 9:54 AM
Jeff said...Yeah, the NTCC sucks. You'll be a whole lot better off sticking with the military and forsaking the NTCC. I'm not taking about forsaking God, just the NTCC because the NTCC is hardly a Godly organization. Military vs NTCC:
1. An organization that pays a retirement: Definitely the Military and certainly not the NTCC.
2. People who care about you and aren't interested in your money:
Definitely the Military and certainly not the NTCC.
3. An organization that provides health care:
Definitely the Military and certainly not the NTCC.
4. An organization that provides Dental:
Definitely the Military and certainly not the NTCC.
5. An organization that provides paid leave:
Definitely the Military and certainly not the NTCC.
6. An organization that provides great college opportunities:
Definitely the Military and certainly not the NTCC.
7. An organization that provides substantial tuition assistance:
Definitely the Military and certainly not the NTCC.
8. An organization that cares about your family with true family oriented programs:
Definitely the Military and certainly not the NTCC.
9. An organization with potential promotions for more than 5 people who aren't your family members:
Definitely the Military and certainly not the NTCC.
10. An organization that considers women of value for activities and positions other than cleaning, cooking, and having sex:
Definitely the Military and certainly not the NTCC. If you are a woman in the military you are considered to be someone with a brain who has the mental capacity to do things like vote and discuss elections. Try doing that with RWD ladies? I rest my case.
11. An organization where you can advance for reasons other than who you know:
Definitely the Military and certainly not the NTCC.
12. An organization where you can advance for reasons other than you being a brainless suck up.
Definitely the Military and certainly not the NTCC.
Does the NTCC offer anything? I used to think spiritual guidance but now I know that is not the case. I guess the NTCC doesn't offer anything.
Jeff
July 06, 2011 10:24 AM
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It is important to note these comments were made by former ministers and members of ntcc who served in the U.S. Armed forces.
Ange says,
I personally remember ntcc's boy Friday, keith a. gandy, telling my late husband, Eric J. Barden, and me about something that happened to kag. When he was in the military kag had a duty as a mail clerk. This military obligation was cutting into the seven-days-a-week ntcc schedule. So gandy went to his 'pastor' for advice. According to gandy, 'pastor' [davis] told kag to "drop the ball" -- purposely mess up his military responsibility so his superiors would no longer rely on gandy to perform his mission. gandy complied and deliberately failed in his military obligation. According to gandy, it 'worked'; he was no longer required to do this military function.
This is a second testimony of ntcc ministers telling people to fail their military obligations in order to benefit the cult.
There are also countless testimonies of the rigorous mandatory ntcc scheduled requirements of servicemen that have caused them to go for prolonged times without adequate sleep. Some have testified of actually getting into car accidents due to falling asleep at the wheel because their ntcc 'pastor' kept them awake despite military duties.
For more on the topic of how ntcc abuses military members, see Don's Story.
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