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| Tanya Tanya Maxamillia Reynolds Davis Kekel as Her Names Appear On Her Adoption Registery Search At This Weight She Closely Resembles Rodger Wilson Davis Her [Adopted?] Father |
It was brought up about Tanya being adopted.
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My mother asked if Verna had ever met the mother. Verna said, “Yes” ….the continued talking. It was spoke how that she was there when Tanya was born. Then something was brought up why Verna chose Tanya. She said God brought Tanya to her. Verna spoke how she was very sick in the Philippines and was unable to have a baby. She spoke how Davis was struggling like all men do when their wives are unable to be to them as God would have them to be in marriage.
![Side by Side Daddy and Daughter: Rodger Wilson Davis and Tanya Tanya Maxamillia Reynolds Davis Kekel - The Spitting Image Of Her [Adopted?] Daddy](https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh4MZnBb9J_f4zcbzXU77PbX9LRutVrB8BsGO98OgKuxPv7FXvYhO82_JxvkkDzpMbZ-p4JmRejHnedTKXbTLUR9eonC-zoXeF54K8fa_tFQwFTLLXueEg3HjkYXZlN9xG9fEUbTlEZEfxk/s1600/0+Daddy+n+Daughter.jpg "Side by Side Daddy and Daughter: Rodger Wilson Davis and Tanya Tanya Maxamillia Reynolds Davis Kekel - The Spitting Image Of Her [Adopted?] Daddy") |
| Rodger Wilson Davis and His [Adopted? Illegitmate?] Daughter Tanya Davis Kekel Note How Everything Is The Same: Hairline, Eyebrows, Nose, Cheekbones, and Chin Are All The Same -Even The Forehead Makes Us Think The DNA Stuff Jerry Springer Sends To The Lab - Is The Same Too! |
That God used a bad situation to give her the desire of her heart. Verna said she was upset about the existence of Tanya first until God showed her that Tanya was a gift from Him. Tanya when she first went to visit the Philippines found out more about her past then Davis would have her know.
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| Always Daddy's Girl - A Pic of Rodger Wilson Davis Overlays Photo Of Tanya Reynolds Davis Kekel His [ illegitimate? ] Adopted Daughter from Cagayan De Oro Philippine Islands |
This has given her a lot of leverage in this situation. He can run from adultery but this is too much proof of his sin so she holds it over him. It is why Kekel feels confident in throwing him under the bus because he knows what he knows. It is why Kekel can change rules without fight. It is why Tanya can’t be considered a sinner and she gets her way. She grew up spoiled but then she found something that helped her get her way in life. Now we have Grant. Grant had freedom other children didn’t have the privilege to experience. They didn’t feel they needed to consider him a sinner until he went away to college not being faithful to NTCC services. They use this to say they understand what other parents go through when they children leave Church “God”. They do this because they have seen parents leave at times after their children choose to leave. If they can show false understanding they will add to the blindness in people. They use phrases like “You know how young people can be, sometimes it takes them time to choose to do right before God”. Getting the parents to think that their children are just rebelling against God.
Something to understand about NTCC and why they change the rules. As people get out, with the internet it is hard to hide the sin that has been burdened. It is like a person giving a child a cookie to shut up. They realize people may find out their sin so they feel the need to hand out cookies. A cookie for them comes in the form of now babies are okay, now jewelry is okay, now sports is okay, now computers are okay, now movies are okay, and so on. It is like they are saying if we give cookies no one will pay attention to the spiders crawling near the plate of cookies but the cookies aren’t keeping everyone’s attention. There are some that are now seeing the spiders near the cookies. Everything they do is to hide their sin as they take people’s money. They are willing to do anything even if it means pretending to see that there is nothing wrong with some things.
Davis has always hated children. His sin brought a child; he didn’t want but the only way to hide was to lie about how it came into being. He would have never had a child without his sin. What his sin produced only made him hate children that much more. He protects people that know his sin. This is why some sin is swept under the rug and others are put to shame.
From the Archives of True Stories of Life in the NTCC:
Don and Angie said: His adopted daughter's Filipina ancestry is his ticket to owning land in the Philippine Islands...
Shared by MDR:
In the last conference we attended in the PI in '09, we were all sitting around the fellowship table at the missionary quarters one evening. RWD was discussing how the laws had changed in the PI and foreigners could now purchase property. Well, RWD shared how it didn't matter to him anyway about the laws changing because he could get land through other connections.
That's when I piped up and said, that's right, sir, you don't need anybody because you have Tanya, she's a Filipina. He looked over at me and gave me the scum of the earth look and said, "She's not Filipina". Need I say, you could hear a pin drop in that room. I think Tom Wright wet his pants when I said that. John Rodrigues turned beet red. My wife, unable to breathe at that moment, practically passed out on the couch. The rest of the brethren just looked at RWD as if to say, your move. I said, really, sir? I thought she was.
Maybe that's when RWD started to hate me! Nah, he hated me long before that.
Little did RWD know that in '03, we had met Lowena Montilla's brother out soulwinning one afternoon, he asked us if we were with the Ntcc/Pastor Davis group. The very next thing out of his mouth was a question, do you know Tanya? His wife then chimed in and said "You know she's one of ours, don't you?" When RWD said "she's not Filipina", my thought was, why the big cover up? What's the big whoopty deal?
I personally have always thought that this was a non-issue, but it evidently is a big issue. Hey Michael, I guess you need some tissues for that big issue, don't you?
You would have really needed some tissues, Michael, if I would have seen you get up in my wife's face unprovoked back in January when you glared at her and said, "what are you looking at?" I don't even talk to her like that. I was meeting with your father-in-law at that time, and your own wife saw it and called you paranoid and laughed at you as you blushed. My wife just thought you were plain weird. You seem really stressed out these days. Maybe it's time to see a doctor. And besides all that, Michael, didn't you tell a BS class that God had convicted you of that conduct and that you weren't gonna do that to people any more? Huh?
It's kind of like RWD bragging about his 2 PhD's. Not just one, he said, "I've got 2 of 'em". This was never an issue with me until he made it an issue. If you're going to brag about something like your credentials, then back it up with the university of study and the degrees on paper. When Paul boasted of his accomplishments, he could back them up. The Jews knew he had the credentials. In II Cor. 12:11 Paul was compelled... evidently RWD was compelled to boast too, so let's see the proof. He made it an issue, not me.
No, we're not bitter. We just got tired of being treated like trash. That's all.
M.D. Reed
April 28, 2011 3:15 AM
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This comment came in early this morning on our last post and we wanted to share it and our response:
Lisa said...
I. Want to say its good to chat wig you guys without getting permission. First of all I was raised in the church for 15 years it was horrible .. I was raped by Jhonny He was one offs is boy he was married to my sister Pam. He would always grab my butt I used to stay home from church because I was so sick all the time.. He would wait til my dad would be outside he would put his hand over my mouth and he would play with my virginia.. He did rape me I was a virgin I got pregnant by him thank God I lost the baby.. I told my sister she told Davis he said to her he was so sick of these girls lying on his boys moved Jhonny to Seattle Davis turned my family away from me I had no one I started drinking at 15. Prayed every. Ight for me to die. It was not until Jhonny was arrested recently for child abuse. That now my sister knows the truth.. Nobody understood me I became. Very sexually active because I did not care about my body. Davis always wanted to make excuses to spank me mash ire did spank me I could swear he looked up my dress the way he bent me over. I have blocked so much out because of the pain.. I am remembering he put his hand in my underwear and was rubbing me .... I can't believe this came back to me.... I think of all people that where aloud to spank me. This one lady watch me and pull my dress up and spanked me with a orange race car track that was plastic I remember It hurt to sit down there was whelks on my butt I would cry to sit down my mom said I was crying and deserved everything I got... There is so much I have to share with you group.. Them men are nasty old men I apologize if I misspelled some words my eyes are real bad now that. Is another story about my health
Hi Lisa,
We are very sorry for what you went through in the ntcc. Please realize that none of this is your fault. You did not deserve for any of this to happen to you. You are very brave for coming forward and sharing this. There are others out there that have suffered in silence and had because of the deeply personal nature it is hard to share these things. Many of the readers of our blog have been through similar things and we hope that this will encourage them to share also.
By sharing your testimony you are validating the testimonies of others. There are people who have given love and support to Julie and there are those who do not believe Julie. They would rather believe that she was making things up, but she has been very honest about everything she went through. Now that you have come forward, it verifies that there is a pattern in the ntcc. We know this from what people have privately shared. Now there are two witnesses that have come forward publicly, and we know there are others out there who might be emboldened to come forward.
We thank you, Lisa, for sharing what you have been through. I know it's hard but people really need to know this. So much has been done in secret and there has been a lot of cover-up. People have been living in fear because the ntcc left them no hope. We just posted a new thread and we are going to carry this forward into the new blog post so that others will see.
For those who don't know, the Johnny that Lisa is referring to is Johnny Jordan. Click the blue link above that cross references the Johnny Jordan story.
lisa I remember when you were young and beautiful and pure, we used to bring you to church. GOD, also remembers and He loves you, and we all feel with you the sorrow and pain that you endured. your own mother did not even believe your testimony because of the corruption of this group. it is a miracle that you have survived and that you're doing as well as you are hang in there and keep telling your story its difficult at first I'm sure but it gets easier. these people never hold anybody accountable for their filthy actions they should all be thrown in jail.
People forget children grow up and they remember what was happened.
They said Oh it is just a child no worries what they see and hear doesn't matter but that child grows up and they began to put the puzzle together for all to see.
For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad. Mark 4:22
Hugs,
Julie
Lisa said....First of all I was raised in the church for 15 years it was horrible.
It truly isn't your fault. I am glad that you are finding the courage to speak out. You are an amazing woman. You are special in God's eyes and don't ever forget it.
Thank you for not making me stand out here alone. It gives me the strength to keep telling what I know about the secrets in NTCC. People need the truth. I hope and pray more will see us standing up will feel encouraged to step out too. There are people who's hearts grieve for what we have gone through and hate that we suffered greatly.
Hugs,
Julie
DNA said....We are very sorry for what you went through in the ntcc. Please realize that none of this is your fault. You did not deserve for any of this to happen to you. You are very brave for coming forward and sharing this. There are others out there that have suffered in silence and had because of the deeply personal nature it is hard to share these things. Many of the readers of our blog have been through similar things and we hope that this will encourage them to share also.
By sharing your testimony you are validating the testimonies of others.
Thank you for the love you have shown Lisa in your comment. From my experience I know how important it is to see care in sharing this very personal stuff.
I pray that it will help others come out as well as help those that would think my story is just a rare thing for I know first hand it is not.
Hugs,
Julie
DNA said....For those who don't know, the Johnny that Lisa is referring to is Johnny Jordan. Click the blue link above that cross references the Johnny Jordan story.
Thanks for making sure everyone knew who she was speaking about in her comment. Thanks for caring as you both do.
Hugs,
Julie
We really do care about both of you, Julie and Lisa. It hurts to see human beings suffer. I suffered for almost 3 decades because of what I went through in the ntcc. When I hear of others that have suffered needlessly, it hurts. The truth is that every single person that has left the ntcc, and those that are still in are all suffering, and not for the right reasons. The type of suffering that takes place in the ntcc is not necessary for a Christian to go through.
What you ladies went through is not necessary for any human being on earth to go through for any reason at all. The leaders of the ntcc are very sick people. Davis has surrounded himself with perverts, predators and pedophiles and when he or they violate the one God's creation they betray their creator. These sick and heartless people have ignored the victims and made them feel less than human, when they are the sick individuals who have wrecked so many lives. They have taken what does not belong to them all so they can be gratified. This is not something that God would ever want anyone to endure.
Lisa you are important and we love you and care about you. These sick religious hypocrites had no right to touch you or hurt you in any way.
Those of you in the ntcc, should be utterly disgusted and confront your phony religious so called leaders about the actions of Davis and all the board members for allowing this to happen. If you are a church member, a pastor, a long time well respected and seasoned ntcc preacher or a board member, we have been telling you for 3 1/2 years about the perverse things that are happening unchecked. You board members are accountable for all these souls that Davis, Kekel, Ashmore, Olson has hurt, ignored and allowed to be destroyed. You pastors and long time ministers, you read this blog and you have been ignoring us for too long. You are guilty, for ignoring the testimonies that you have read. Now there are more witnesses coming forward and you have absolutely no excuse for being ignorant. Church members, take a close look at your leaders and search and study the hearts of those who are pleading with you to escape. It's never too late, but the longer you stay engrossed in the filth of the ntcc leadership the harder it will be for you to think clearly.
We are flesh and blood just like you. You know us and we know you. So many have left and so few have stayed. Were the people that left really unjustified? Do you have any idea what they went through. Some of you have been abused and you know it was wrong and yet you still suffer yourselves to be a part of this cult. Not everyone that says Lord, Lord, is pure. Not everyone who shouts Amen has a pure heart.
If you have suffered in the ntcc and you don't know where to turn, there are people out here that still care. I'm the same person that many of you used to call Brother. We are of like passions, we hurt and we suffer just like anyone of you. We are not here to drag you away from God into the bars or anywhere else you don't want to go. We are here to help you realize that what you are doing in the ntcc is damaging you more and more every day. You are following some very immoral people that are getting disgustingly rich off of you and they will use you until there is nothing left to use. When they are done they will not think twice about helping you in anyway.
We care and there are many others who also care. Don't allow anyone to steal another day of your life from you. It belongs to you, not them. They do not have God's best interest for you in their hearts and minds. You are a means to an end for them and it's all about money, greed and pride and unfortunately it's about sexual gratification being forced on others.
And you know what? God does still love you. In spite of what these filthy liars have put you through, there still is hope. Don't hate yourself, don't think of ways to end your misery. Get away from the people that make you miserable, and stop listening to the ones that only care about themselves. Everything you've been through has gotten you to this point, but none of the bad stuff has anything to do with God. God doesn't send people into your life to violate you or wreck your life. If that has happened to you and you are in the ntcc, get away from the abuse and the hate. Find a new environment to live in where you are not pressured to do things that you know are wrong. It's not your fault that these wicked people continue to abuse but if you are still in the cult, you can't be helped until you get as far away from them as possible.
Lisa, I know you have felt unloved and unimportant and less than human. I know there are times you felt like you didn't want to live. Please realize that we care about you, and your life is very important. I know the road is long and the journey to this point seems like forever, but please don't give up. You are standing for others who still can't stand for themselves. Julie the same is true for you. You have been a rock. You have stood in the face of all these sick people, outnumbered on the battlefield. Keep standing because our numbers are increasing and knowledge is increasing. People are finding out what the ntcc is all about.
It appears that the "smoking gun" has been discovered. Think: Davis is one letter from "David". There are many striking similarities in these 2 lives. Yet look at this: when the old, cold soul died... the kingdom split... part went way into false gods... the rest was wishy washy at best... look at the aftermath... I see a parallel... Denis and his ilk separated from the grand Poobah... this is a story of sin and its many cover-ups!
There is a reason they collect secret damaging info on EVERYONE... is it not to throw YOU under the bus when the right time comes?
No one will be immune to the castigation to come. I also see that God DID leave Tanya as the evidence for all to be forced with the truth about the origins of the borg. That history is the key to put the nail in the coffin.
The seed that planted ntcc was corrupted from the beginning. King David was forgiven. YET ALL WILL REAP THE SOWN SEEDS. That is God's inviolate rule. Truth be known, all the faithful ministers were sitting on a time bomb. The bomb has just exploded. NTCC must begin a regimen of humility and repentance or facecthe wrath of God. ICHABOD is not far behind...
Oh BTW, happy BDay, Grand Poobah, thanks for yes, destroying so many innocent lives! What a wonderful world...
DD said...
It appears that the "smoking gun" has been discovered. Think: Davis is one letter from "David". There are many striking similarities in these 2 lives. Yet look at this: when the old, cold soul died... the kingdom split... part went way into false gods... the rest was wishy washy at best... look at the aftermath... I see a parallel... Denis and his ilk separated from the grand Poobah... this is a story of sin and its many cover-ups!
The similarities between Davis and David's names. I thought I was the only one that noticed this.
Oh my the cover-ups are so many for sure.
DD said...No one will be immune to the castigation to come. I also see that God DID leave Tanya as the evidence for all to be forced with the truth about the origins of the borg. That history is the key to put the nail in the coffin.
DD I believe you are right about God leaving Tanya as evidence. They haven't been able to hid all the evidence of their sin in the least though they stupidly thought they could.
Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: II Peter 2:14
They have a lot to answer for and a lot more for hiding the sin of many.
Hugs,
Julie
DD Said....Truth be known, all the faithful ministers were sitting on a time bomb. The bomb has just exploded. NTCC must begin a regimen of humility and repentance or facecthe wrath of God. ICHABOD is not far behind...
Yes there are people sitting on a time bomb and that bomb has truly exploded.
I agree with DD that Ichabod is truly not far behind.
Their are the innocent and there are the guilty. There are those in NTCC that want to live for God with all their heart and there are those that are there because it is a place to hide their sin.
It isn't the victims' fault no one knew about it. It is the abusers and those that knowingly hide the abuse. Both of my parents are guilty; they both abused me and many knew it covering it up.
I did not give love, hugs, or praise growing up. I was labeled as a retarded child. They thought that label would hide what they were doing forever.
Using phrases like " If I saw dark clouds and rain but yet Davis said the sky was blue and sunny; I would believe Davis over mine own eyes." People they want to take over everything about you including your eyes so you will second guess yourself when you see the signs of their sin.
Their sin is before you; trust what you are seeing and what your system is so shocked to have to acknowledge. You are suffering the poisonous bites of the snakes. You did nothing to deserve these poisonous bites so do not deny yourself the right to healing from those bites. You are worth recovery. I pray courage and freedom on you that have been broken right now.
On you snakes and right hand men and women that keep it secret of these are poisonous snakes may you answer for all you have brought against God's creation. How dare you do what you do and have the nerve to tell us you are doing God's will to our face as you do your sick actions to us. Abuse is abuse no matter the form; it all destroys lives.
Hugs,
Julie
Oh BTW, happy BDay, Grand Poobah, thanks for yes, destroying so many innocent lives! What a wonderful world...
85th year....Davis your day of judgment is coming soon don't think for one minute your callous soul will be free from judgment. You must answer to God for your actions and reactions.
Hugs,
Julie
We sat under the great preaching of the self-described "pope" who wanted people to see Jesus through him...
Let us see:
Which of these qualities would cause you to think of the Grand Poobah or his minions?
Compassionate, caring
Approachable, humble,
Kind and understanding,
Transparent, honest, true,
Trusting, making others feel important, self-sacrificing, holding no grudges, filling your soul with inspiration, leading only by example never by just telling you how, but doing it first, never revealing a sacred confidence, never lording it over you, peaceable, easily entreated, compketely unselfish... on and on...
Oh yes, when he boasted of the day in which "hundreds of RWs would be all over the nation..." inside we gasped... oh the horror of such a possibility... I supposed we would produce little Christs to this nation.. NOT little RWs..
Again, happy 85th poobah, your reward draws nigh...hallelujah .. see Revelation 22:12
There is a lot more I want to share please forgive me if my thoughts in my head is bringing so back tho the pain.. My mom was no saint God in Heaven knows this is the truth.. My mom was very abusive to us kids shee would get mad at us and rip our clothes off one time she hit me so much I prayed for God to take me and make her stop. I am crying so hard now the pain I feel right now is so deep.. She would go to church and prYeverybody loved her she would come home and get so angry it could be I spilled milk and sit on top of me and she would hit me.. I went to church one time in the summer wearing a sweater she dug her claws in my throat choked me and ripped my clothes off. This one member picked us up from church I was told to tell him or anybody else that wonder why my shoes did not much tell them my brother pushed me out the door no she took my high heel and hit me with it over and over until she broke my shoe.. She would tell me all the time how ugly I was and the first person that ever said they would marry me she would sign the papers to get rid of me. She was horrible I was a whore to her I never had sex. Had no ideal what she was saying at Tahoe locked me in the closet in the dinning room there was mice in there they crawled over me to this day I can't see mice I will freak out I can't sleep.. She would get mad at my brother he was handicapp. She would make him where a dress. If him and I got in fight she would make us hug and kiss each other on the lips......She would call the brothers over they would take a belt to Terry and hit him over and over again.. I hate them for hurting him like thAt. I can't handle this right now I will tell you the rest I promise
Lisa, I can only say that what you went through was horrifying. It makes me sick because these people are living in million dollar mansions like nothing ever happened. They all need to be hauled off to prison. In the name of Christianity these people have done things that are so horrible to you. Your mother should be in prison right now. She was not a mother to you, Terry or Pam. A mother provides, protects and loves her children. I didn't have a father, and my mother smoked pot and hung out with some undesirable people, but she never beat me or neglected me. She provided, protected and loved me in spite of everything. She wasn't a Christian until I was in High school, but in spite of some really bad choices she cared for me.
The ntcc is a horrible place for families. People would be much better off being raised by pot smoking gypsies than being raised in the ntcc. Your mother was in the ntcc when it was first formed in 1969, from what I understand. They call them selves the last hope for mankind and this is the kind of family values they instill. You were abused as a child and you were helpless to do anything about it. I'm sure you were blamed over and over. It was never your fault. You were a child and your mother was supposed to love and protect you. Don't ever blame yourself.
Continue to share. Let this stuff out and allow yourself to heal. It helps to get these burdens off of your back and for other folks to share them. Always know that we know what these ntcc leaders are all about and we know that you are telling the truth. We will never side with them because we know too much and have heard too much. There are many others that know this also and the more you share the more others will have hope.
Darwin, You make everything so plain and simple. The list of qualities are not something you made up but they are in the bible, and Davis has none of these. He is opposite and so are most of the people who attend the ntcc. Why do people follow these deceivers when they live opposite to the bible?
They try to cover all their sin up by wearing dresses and Swedish knit suits. The time-bomb is exploding in their faces but I don't think any of them are going to repent. They are too proud and never have admitted any wrong doing. They continue to steal and to kill. They care not for the flock but they devour them while they get fatter and fatter. There are many ministers and church members who read this blog and they have read the testimonies of abuse. My guess is that they will do nothing and they will continue to pretend that nothing ever happened. They will continue to worship and adore the Kekels just like they did with Davis.
They have been taught to be heartless. They don't care when people leave the organization, they are just glad that it wasn't them. They don't try to reach out to any of the casualties that they have created, they just continue to do what's in their own best interest. They were taught by the best. They were deceived and brainwashed by the best and they will continue to think that they are doing a great work for God while they leave a bunch of hurting souls behind, so they can have the phony admiration of a bunch of narcissistic individuals that care not for anyone but themselves. "These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever." Jude 12-13
They are the opposite and do live opposite to the bible because they are of their father, the devil, and do his works. Satan is the opposer.
Lisa said......There is a lot more I want to share please forgive me if my thoughts in my head is bringing so back tho the pain.. My mom was no saint God in Heaven knows this is the truth
Oh Lisa I totally understand what it means for the thoughts to bring pan to one's head. It makes it hurt beyond hurt it's self.
No you mother was not a saint. I remember being in St. Louis I was about 5 years old. I was sitting waiting for one of my parents to find me for the rule in my family was if I didn't know where one of my parents was then I was to stay sitting until one found me. If I didn't do this I got a beating from my mother which then followed with a beating from my father it was just how it worked. Your mother saw me sitting there told me to come with her. I tried to explain the rule I had to follow. She got very mad and grabbed me by my ponytail and pulled me until she found my mother. No one around even tried to stop what she did.
She found my mother and said here is your daughter she was hiding in the other room from you.
I tried to explain to my mother what really happened. I was taken out and my mother took a stick from by the trees and whipped me for not following the rules. Then when I got home and my father was told of my disobedience he then beat me too. I was then given a spoonful of black pepper to eat which always burned my mouth. My parents didn't wash my mouth out with soap it was always a tablespoon NOT a teaspoon of black pepper in the mouth.
Your mother's actions were bad and should have never happened to you or any child, Lisa.
Hugs,
Julie
This one member picked us up from church I was told to tell him or anybody else that wonder why my shoes did not much tell them my brother pushed me out the door no she took my high heel and hit me with it over and over until she broke my shoe.. She would tell me all the time how ugly I was and the first person that ever said they would marry me she would sign the papers to get rid of me......
The fact that your mother would make you go to church with mismatch shoes is so mean.
I know the feeling about being told you are ugly. I use to wonder if I could ever be like the "Ugly Duckling Story" if there was a way to one day become beautiful then I would think I don't think I would ever be that lucky.
Oh the signing papers to the first person that agreed to marry now that sounds all to familiar to me for I lived it.
Lisa said...She was horrible I was a whore to her I never had sex. Had no ideal what she was saying at Tahoe locked me in the closet in the dinning room there was mice in there they crawled over me to this day I can't see mice I will freak out I can't sleep..
Lisa just because you didn't understand her words did not give her a right to lock you in a closet no action deserves that reaction. I understand being freaked out by mice with what happened in the past. I have things because of the past still freak me out even to this day.
Hugs,
Julie
Lisa said... She would get mad at my brother he was handicapp. She would make him where a dress.
Lisa this is just horrible. I bet she got the idea from Davis since I have seen him do it to other little boys. There is no reason in the world to do this to a little boy no matter what. Your poor brother.
Hugs,
Julie
What these girls have endured is cruelty. The word torture comes to mind.
Ange
Lisa, I can only say that what you went through was horrifying. It makes me sick because these people are living in million dollar mansions like nothing ever happened. They all need to be hauled off to prison. In the name of Christianity these people have done things that are so horrible to you. Your mother should be in prison right now. She was not a mother to you, Terry or Pam. A mother provides, protects and loves her children. I didn't have a father, and my mother smoked pot and hung out with some undesirable people, but she never beat me or neglected me. She provided, protected and loved me in spite of everything. She wasn't a Christian until I was in High school, but in spite of some really bad choices she cared for me.
DNA it is insane that they can live in their mansions like nothing has happened to many innocent victims young and old. What has made it hard for many of us is that it was done in the name of God. I remember being told "God told me I was to have sex with you today." They don't care that those words began to form an evil uncaring picture of God in one's head. It is horrifying beyond horrifying.
Thanks for sharing a little of your childhood it actually helps us victims it really does even though you received love.
When share even the littlest things in their life it helps us feel so alone.
People out there even if your story wasn't of physical abuse; we still need to hear it for it does help even those that were physically abused because your emotional or verbal abuse stories help us to keep spilling our stories.
You may say with what you read I don't know what to say. Your stories of your own experiences are medicine to our soul more than you might realize.
Hugs,
Julie
Part 1
The blog post said……It's kind of like RWD bragging about his 2 PhD's. Not just one, he said, "I've got 2 of 'em". This was never an issue with me until he made it an issue. If you're going to brag about something like your credentials, then back it up with the university of study and the degrees on paper.
Well some things never change like the fact Davis lying and being dumb enough to brag about his lies. When I was a child I was present for two different conversations where Davis was confronted about this very topic; that was his degrees. Though I had seen others bring it up these two conversations had a different outcome. I will share the first one for now.
The first conversation was between a father of a bible school student and Davis. The father came up to Davis saying ‘Sir I have a question for you. My son says that you as the leader of the organization have two PhD which qualifies you to be in charge. I was just curious where you got them both. I like learning and always like hearing where other people have picked up their degrees.”
Now this would sound like a pretty simple question not an attack at all. Well Davis immediately got upset. He said He didn’t tolerate being questioned about his degrees and it wasn’t the place of anyone to question where he got them. Davis seem to have forgotten he wasn’t talking to a man he was already controlling.
Things turned pretty ugly. The man told Davis if you are afraid to tell me where you received your degrees it makes me question if they are even real. Davis got really heated. This man then said “You can tell or I can find out for myself because these type of things can’t be kept a secret.” By this time Davis looked like a steamboat with smoke coming out his nose and ears though the smoke might have been a sign of a fire there as well.
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Part 2
The man continued to press. Finally Davis admitted the first was from some bible school nothing fancy and the other was given to him as honor degree it was not something he earned.
At this point he looked at me. My mouth had dropped for the thought that went through my head …. Does this mean Davis had not told the truth before?
That night I asked my father why Davis’ answer was different from what he had said before. Why did he change his answer when this man questioned him? My father’s response was To call me by my full name and tell me no one is to question what the “MOG” says or does because he has been put in the place he has for he does only right before God. I remember laying in bed that night wondering why Davis had different rules from everyone else. I thought maybe I was too dumb to understand deep things as this.
A couple or so days later I was at Davis’ house. I hated that place and hated his bedroom even more. He told me I needed to come with him to the bedroom. I thought there is only two reasons I go to his bedroom that is to either be a whipping beating spanking whatever title you want to give it or sexual dealings. I followed him and we went into the bedroom. He made me strip from the waist down and go over the bed and his lap as I was a big child at this point.
He then told me I have to punish you for calling me a liar. I do not sin and you must pay for telling others I do. ( I had not call him a liar but I found out my father had told him I did)
He began beating me until I was black/blue and very sore. It took me over a week before I could sit without being reminded of that pain. He told me to stand up and then he got in my face telling me if I ever questioned his authority that God had given him; it would be far worse. He said little girls like you find themselves in hell for you cannot be allowed in heaven acting like this. I knew the far worse was sexual things because he knew that I hated sexual stuff with him more than being beaten. To think that day he made me think he controlled whether someone was in hell or heaven.
Beating me silenced me for a while but He couldn’t erase the memories.
Hugs,
Julie
Julie and Lisa, your comments brought tears to my eyes! How could a mother allow others to spank her children? My God! I get really angry thinking about this! Shame on those parents that allowed others to hurt their little ones!
I also want to say that your comments have brought out some memories of incidents that happened while I too was in bible school. I will share as soon as I get some time to sit and put my thoughts together.
It's kind of like RWD bragging about his 2 PhD's. Not just one, he said, "I've got 2 of 'em". This was never an issue with me until he made it an issue. If you're going to brag about something like your credentials, then back it up with the university of study and the degrees on paper. When Paul boasted of his accomplishments, he could back them up. The Jews knew he had the credentials.
Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him. Proverbs 26:12
Hugs,
Julie
LOUISIANA . REV. STAT. § 14:42 Aggravated rape
Punishable by life imprisonment at hard labor without benefit of parole, probation, or suspension of sentence
Forcible rape
Punishable by imprisonment at hard labor for not less than 5 nor more than 40 years
Simple rape
Punishable by imprisonment with or without hard labor, without benefit of parole, probation, or
suspension of sentence, for not more than 25 years
Time limitation
for certain sex offenses
For the following offenses committed against a
victim under 17, 30-year time limit which begins to run when victim attains the age of 18:
18 year old + 30 = victims age 48
Missouri Statutes,
18 + 20 = victims age 38
Google it! and call the Attorney Generals, today.
Julie said:
"That night I asked my father why Davis’ answer was different from what he had said before. Why did he change his answer when this man questioned him? My father’s response was To call me by my full name and tell me no one is to question what the “MOG” says or does because he has been put in the place he has for he does only right before God."
DNA said:
And this is the problem in the ntcc. They worship the creature more than the creator. They put themselves so high on the pedestal that nobody dare question anything they do. This gives them a license to get away with anything. The problem is, even though the brainwashed cult members are oblivious to what is going on, God sees everything. It's been hidden for quite a few years, and folks have been able to dismiss any isolated incidents, but now it's coming full scale into the light. The ntcc predators and perverts are being stood up to by the very ones they took advantage of so many years ago.
Julie and Lisa, if you continue to share the truth there will be others that will join in. Predatory behavior is usually manifested in a string of incidents. Predators like Davis don't ever seem to stop at one victim. They have to keep gratifying their own selfish and perverted desires. When everybody in the organization reveres a predator like Davis as the next up to the throne of God, they are all afraid to confront him about any wrong doing. When victims come forward and speak with Olson or other borg leaders they immediately are demonized and treated hatefully.
Hopefully people will open their eyes and stop enabling these sick old perverts to get away with their filthy deeds. It might take a lawsuit or some good investigative reporting to peel back the layers of secrecy and to reveal the sexual abuse that took place for years in the ntcc.
They committed their wicked deeds in private but now their dirty secrets are being shared publicly. Davis has exhibited a pattern, and because he has put fear into the hearts of the victims, many continue to suffer in silence. Lisa and Julie, you have done the right thing. Continue to be strong and others will join. It's hard to stand alone but we become united we can help each other stand. There are people out there that have been in the organization for so many years and they have information, that supports what you have shared. Davis has made obvious sexual advances and inappropriate gestures to many, and he has committed lewd and degrading sexual acts to minors and adults as testimony shows.
Those of you who keep this stuff to yourselves you can help. There are others that are following in Davis's footsteps. Davis not only committed evil deeds but he took pleasure in others that did the same. Don't allow these perverted individuals to get away with their sick deeds. Don't allow others to suffer without a warning, without trying to help them.
NTCC won’t support any cause but their own. People you validate killing people. You say no I don’t; I would never support such a cause like abortion but yet you give to people that destroy lives on a daily bases.
When you give to these people you are saying it doesn’t matter the insults, the humiliations, the mental attacks, the physical abuse, the sexual abuse, you support it all. That every time I was beaten, you approve. What Kekel does done to me, you approve? What Ashmore has done, you prove. What Olson has done, you approve. My father’s sin is known but yet they allow him to be behind a pulpit, you approve. The way these people mistreat women, you approve. The way they make men think they are dumb and their brains don’t work, you approve. Punching men in the arm at times bruising them, which is no better than spanking a child’s bare butt they just know they can’t go that far with an adult, you approve. Destroying marriages, you approve. Making parents think God wants them to hate their children, you approve. Making children go hungry, you approve. Children not receiving medical care because of church bills, you approve. The bible speaks of the importance of friends but they divide people so they can’t speak stopping friendships, you approve.
Oh you find excuses for all those. Well how about Davis having sex with me ripping me causing me to bleed to the point I thought I was dying; you are still giving money to them, you approve. When you give to them you are spitting in my face saying it doesn’t matter what has happen to you or anyone else I will still support them with my money. You are putting your stamp of approval on what has happen to me and others.
People you are against abortion but yet you support this. You say can’t give to someone in need or any other cause because they preach that these charities and other organizations abuse the use of the money they have given not using it to help others.
Do you really think NTCC is a worthy cause?
Hugs,
Julie
Dear office of the Attorney General of the state of Louisiana,
Greetings, I am a friend of a young woman who was sexually molested and or raped by her father, and her father's associates, while living in the state of Louisiana more than 20 years ago.
At the time that these crimes were committed, she was a minor under the age of 17.
This woman had very little contact with the outside world being raised in a "holiness church."
Her father was the pastor of this local church assembly located in leesville louisiana.
The name of the church at the time was called the New Testament church of God, later became New Testament Christian churches of America incorporated.
Other sexual misconduct by elders and pastors of this congregation located in Leesville Louisiana became known to the boards of directors of these two churches. Most of this conduct was ignored by the boards of directors of these organizations.
The victims of this conduct were mocked and ridiculed and disparaged publicly and privately.
I believe that it has been less than 30 years ago. I'm writing on the behalf of this young woman in order for me to inform her of her options legal, and otherwise, what is your advice that I may relate to my friend. she no longer lives in the state of Louisiana.
The perpetrators of these crimes no longer live in the state of Louisiana either.
Thank you for your time and attention to this matter.
Sincerely
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I remember taking Terry and that sunday school group to a park in western St Louis County, so Lisa there are people here who remember you and have compassion on your situation. I remember your mom's hair so long it almost reached her feet! It just seems that the teaching there was to observe outward holiness yet the inside was full of dead mens bones... and their spirits.. emitted harshness and downright cruelty. Back in those days all were so poor, living on the edge... yet pressurized to give more and more... 10% was not giving God anything to them... and they were right... giving NTCC a dime TRULY WAS giving God nothing! (get that?) Because they were unworthy!
Also I recall thecGrand Poobah was going to get Sister Mitchell's husband saved... he told us to watch and see... well, he didn't have success.. in fact I don't recall him getting anybody saved... yet he blamed me (once late for soul-winning.. I was the soulwinning director ...) he blamed me as the cause for no people getting saved. Anyway he was sure he could get both sis mitchell and you mom's husbands saved.. never happened...
Lisa, I never knew the abuse you endured but I recall all were encouraged to whip their kids... one brother (Mears) had a really rowdy son... and went out got a switch and was whipping him during church. I wobder if Tanya ever did this to Grant their now admitted sinner-son.
Oh, by the way, I heard that rdub got a degree from some university in Nebraska. He did take college classes seemingly weekends, or nights, that phd allowed him to start a day school, which he preached so much that our kids needdd so desperately... and urgently... at least UNTIL Tanya graduated... then he figured the other kids could go across the street to the Baptists Day school. Sistrr Norton used my Southside NTCC for dsy school... secretly...
So much for trying to do planning for OUR lives!
Photon said:
"I remember your mom's hair so long it almost reached her feet! It just seems that the teaching there was to observe outward holiness yet the inside was full of dead mens bones... and their spirits.. emitted harshness and downright cruelty."
DNA said:
I know. How ridiculous is it to preach how long someone's hair is supposed to be when you have a church full of child molesting perverts? They were focusing on all the wrong things. The one ever constant doctrine that you could always depend on was tithe and offerings, you can't out-give Gawd, The Lawrd loves a Cheerful giver and on and on and on. Not only did you have to give till you were poor, but you had to be happy watching Davis pull up in his new Cadillac.
Don't you dare wear ear rings or jewelry but send your teenage daughter into my room so I can discipline her with her clothes off. Let's tell women in our congregation that they are going to die and go to hell if they wear make-up, meanwhile don't say anything about the MOG raping his daughter.
Let's whip our children and beat them with high heal shoes, lets rip the clothing off of them and put them in the closet with mice, lets hurt them and blame them until they hate being alive and meanwhile we are going to preach holiness without which.... and all Christians pay tithe and give in offerings. Don't ever speak about the atrocities, don't ever do anything that's going to reflect bad on the St. Clairs, Barbara Norton-Warwick, R.W. Davis or M.C. Kekel, Tanya or Verna, because they are God's chosen vessels, and they are above reproach and should never be questioned about any of the sick, wicked and evil deeds they did. They had a 'special' kind of love.
What a bunch of sick perverts and child molesting freaks. They all deserve to be hauled off to prison for the rest of their lives. That would be too good for what they did to these girls.
Now for the second conversation I also witnessed. This one ended in a way that is hard to even write. Some of Davis’ or Verna’ family was visiting. One of the relatives was small talking but Davis soon regretted allowing me to be present. This man spoke of Davis’ pretend degrees even calling them as such. This man said, Rodger why do you lie about high degrees to these people? You preach it is a sin to lie but yet you lie yourself. (I sat there in shock silence) This man said you can get away with a lie but it one day always comes to haunt you. You did go to school so why are you so shamed of what school you went to; most of the people that go to this organization don’t have high degrees so why does it matter so much. Davis was really squiring then because they weren’t alone. Davis said, People must know I have authority to be in charge. This man shook his head and said Have it your way but mark my word you can live in a lie forever.
As my mother was in another part of the house doing so sewing I sat there in silence taking all this in my mind. I didn’t want to sit there because I knew from last time I was going to pay for what my ears heard that day.
And people use to say I was so lucky to get the privilege to spend so much time have the “MOG” house. Hogwash!!!
A few days later like clockwork I was brought before Davis as my mother was over their house. He took me to his bedroom. He told me that man had be confused about his schooling. Davis told me that He had never lied and had never sinned and unlike other people he never had to ask God to forgive him because he had never sinned in his life.
He then said I must pay for the fact that I didn’t leave the room during this private conversation. What??? I was told to sit there by my mother; he never said to leave the room and go to my mother even once. He then pulled down his pants making me use my mouth to bring him pleasure. Yuck!!! This was such a disgusting experience. I began to spit right on the floor and before I gave much thought to the fact I was talking aloud; I said, that tasted worse than any of man. I grabbed my mouth at that point knowing I was wrong and in trouble. He swatted me a few times but he didn’t seem in a mood at that point to beat me as was common. He told me I better not tell anyone of my shameful ways and what happened in that bedroom or I wouldn’t be around for long. I wondered if that would mean death because I knew my father wouldn’t leave the group.
Davis got dress and told me to clean up and to come out. I will let your parents know you will be out in a few minutes. Yes my parents were in the house.
Lies last for a while but truth last for eternity!
Hugs,
Julie
That would be too good for what they did to these girls. -- Had to put that again.
I haven't yet read the book, "Finding Fish" by Antwone Fisher. But I saw the movie named after him. From what I remember, the abuse he suffered that was revealed in that movie paled in comparison to what these girls have gone through! These ladies should start writing their life stories and get movie deals of their own! The pain and suffering alone should be recompensed. Plus the public would support them and their stories would help untold numbers of people! Anyone who knows what they have suffered and sees that they overcame it will be filled with hope!
Lets do the this. Is I paper like we did in bible college. So Davis you like to have knowledge that you can use against us so let's chat. Let's talk about this day school you opened wear the teachers where not educated at all what a joke. How you made all of us kiss watch you spank Garry with a belt you would make him turn around you would swing. That belt make turn again swing the belt you hit him 20 times over and over again so you made him to be. A example for us ? Since you want to know everything l let's start off about how you found out I was pregnant you told me If I told anybody you would spank so severe. I would never talk again.... What. About how you would make up reason to spank me but you got delayed the joke was on you ... ''Well I told Mark,I told Lori, and now I am telling the world what you tried to hide I under e rug everybody will know about this... How you whee. The one who gave Jhonny money to leave St.Louis. .... How you tried to sleep with my sister Brenda oh let's not forget PAm she. Was a minor... Let go on about this is I mom what about you Choking me over. And over again Lori know she seen the marks on my back from where you took a rose Busch and kept hitting me over and over. She seen. The bruises you caused all over my body. Davis let's talk about when I was 11 years did old and you and my mom talked. About. Me marrying Jesus Rodregious. You talked in the office but you told Davis I would have. To wait 2 years I was only 11 I was still playing with dolls and roller skating whatever where you thinking.....You made me go on those dates with him he ended up marrying my friend Christina mom Linda. How gross I would spend e night we'll they would laugh at me hey my dad is in there with my mom where he could of been yours gross he was 27
Someone needs to start filling out affidavits out or sworn statements now. A crime has been committed.
It is time to take action.
Many crimes!
This is I. Instead of worrying how sick I was you where more worried about what Davis said the doctor told you to take me to a doctor and a ob gym doctor but you would not sign the paper work.. That is great I have had 24 stomach surgery . Let us not forget two years ago you seen me And made me feel so bad you kept telling everybody I was fat you can't get over this. I always so skinned I had Colin cancer and a life vest on my. Heart you know when you kept upsetting me at the monitor would go off its a monitor mom that. If your heart stops. The paddles come out and. Revive your heart. .. The doctors where telling my family I might die. My heart only functions 30 percent. If you. Would have taken me to the doctor I would not be like this but I forget let's go soul winning Or church we can't forget that
I just want to let you know I lay her. In bed sometimes not able to move because of my. Heart. The pacemaker tries to slow down my heart. Avid defibrillator on my heart as we'll. there. Is no more chances for me it's all in Gods hands right. Now. Let's talk about my eyes you and Davis said let's take her to a blind school so we can get a check on. Her You knew I could see then. But. You whee the one the. Doctor went off on not me. Let me tell you mom I used to be in so much pain. Dad went to the doctor for me and told them it was his back he gave me the pills. Then I took more I never had. To love I was numb
Legs go on about this is I. When I took sod pills I felt nothing you could hit me all you wanted it did not boer me .the day I looked at you and told you I hated you and run upstairs and locked the door you where taking the screws out I f I could have open that window I would have so jumped out and ran away. How you dragged me down the stairs by my hair like you where some cave women?.. And you kept asking me if I was on something because I couldn't. Cry I was pain pills the more I took the pin went way. Even Scott knew something was wrong because. Of my swings.......
This is I the daughter you told on a daily basis you wish I was never born. Let's not forget you rage how you would tell. Us kids you would ram your fist down our throats.. This is the girl thAt you punched in the nose where blood was going al over my clothes and had to change clothes for church.. Pam and I are the girls you would. Lock us out in the winter on that porch there was no heat but let us get sick we got a beating for that... You locked us out there was snow on the ground we had no shoes and where in our slips......
Let's take about how going to church you loved on everybody else's kids but not us... You screamed and yelled on a daily. We cleaned your house like we where slaves. Nothing ever pleased you... How dad would tell you he didn't care you went to church but don't run the gas out how you would get mad and throw a gallon of milk at him.. How you would punch on dad he was a little man and he worked his butt off it was never enough.... Davis. What about the N. Word that you called the black people that is horrible. But you sure where there when our African black brothers where handing out money to you.....i
If people did those things to adults, they would be in jail for assault and attempted murder.
Lisa it is hard to comprehend what you went through as a child. You are very courageous for sharing this. Most of us experienced abuse in the ntcc as adults and we have a hard time processing it. Many have come on the blogs and shared life stories of how they gave so much money to the organization and never got anything in return. Grown women were abused by their husbands in the name of God, and out of fear they kept silence for years.
What you went through as a child and during the years when you are supposed to be learning how to succeed in life is tragic and sorrowful. I'm a grown man and it makes me cry when I read what you went through. As a child there is no choice. You were made to believe that all of this horrible stuff that happened to you was your fault. You were blamed and beaten down every time you didn't want to do something that was wrong. By sharing this openly we hope you can realize how wrong they treated you and how that none of this was ever your fault. Both you and Julie are raising awareness of how perverse the ntcc is.
If there ever was a time that folks like you needed to come forward, now is that time. You are literally saving lives. If one person googles ntcc and reads what you have written and decides not to go to this church, you have saved them from ruining their life. For those that have endured similar tragic childhoods as yours, you are letting them know that they are not alone. You are giving them hope and allowing them to realize that they were just children like you trying to grow up and if you can help them stop blaming themselves for what they went through, you are helping them beyond what a counselor could.
One of the big problems with being in a cult is that the cult leaders make people believe that all the bad things that happen to you are your fault because you didn't please them. They make themselves seem like they are God. Instead of realizing that the cult leader is not following God, they are manipulated into thinking that they themselves are being judged by God.
God is not like this at all. He is the opposite of what we all have learned in the ntcc. Anyway, Lisa and Julie, you two are helping so many people to include us. When we see what you've been through and how you are resolved to share the truth about these phony false prophets and perverts, it helps us and gives us more resolve.
I remember people sharing about having to write their "This is I" papers. Ange said that she didn't have to write one, but if she did she would have wrote: "If any man be in Christ, he is a new Creature". I probably would have spilled my guts like everyone else did. God doesn't care about your past, and neither should Davis.
What Davis is going through now at 85 years old is the least of his worries. He's done enough evil for them to haul him off to jail and rot for the rest of his miserable days. If this thing ever goes to court, the judge and jury should turn the bonco, Davis and Kekel's manisions and they entire cult compound into a cult recovery center and allow folks like Julie and Lisa to live in the mansions and in the houses for free. They should make the buildings and sanctuaries into recovery centers with medical facilities and counselors that are experienced in cult recovery. There would be enough money for the victims and their children to never have to struggle for anything again and they deserve that.
But most of all, these sleazy fake preachers have a debt that needs to be paid to society. It would be too good for them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.
Oh I so remember this is I am paper. I paid dearly for mine. When I wrote mine writing was such a struggle. My this is I paper didn't make sense at all but I did try to write how I felt.
I was brought before Kekel, Davis, and a couple other people. I knew I was in trouble. I said I know we aren't suppose to be angry or sad only happy but you said to write the truth so I wrote what I felt about my life.
This was the wrong answer. Why these people ask for one thing but yet what another thing is ludicrous and totally crazy.
Davis began raising his voice at me insulting my intelligence. Then began to say how I dare I make a mockery out of this class and that I was still a child that he could whip with his rod. Like always there was a chuckle from Kekel and the faithful person with that evil laugh.
Hmmm....so they tell me I am adult able to marry but a child when they want to whip me. People they can't have it both ways.
It wasn't my fault I had issues with writing; I was a product proving what and who they really are truly. They thought keep her dumb so the truth will never be found.
Davis tried to make a statement about me but intern made a fool out of himself.
"One can hide the truth for a while but they can't erase it."
Hugs,
Julie
After rereading Juiles story and now Lisas. It is very clear that ntcc is operating in a very cold and dark place, and have been for awhile. Society hold churches up to a very high standard, and churches are given a lot of perks and breaks and even more so if they say that they are a Christian Church as ntcc proclaim. However society does not exspect churches to violate the laws of the land or to cover up a crime that have been committed by its members. Ntcc leaders is not walking in the light, and they have not been for a while if at anytime at all, and if they are not walking in the light, then how can they be walking with Jesus who is in the light? Ntcc should out from behind closed doors and allow they whole organization to be scrutinize. Where are the adults in the house? Where are the monitors the light bearers? Surely everyone is not intimated by davis, kekel, and the other leaders who are guilty of covering it all up. So So sad.
I worked in the Florida Department of Correction during the time that Jordan was incarcerated and all though I don't recall ever seeing him at the prison where I worked. I do remember him and his brother when I was a member of ntcc. Also It would not be a surprise to me if ntcc of America change its name again.
Many of you have stepped out in support of Lisa, myself and the other victims yet to speak out. I want to say thank you it is medicine to the heart and soul.
To know we don't stand alone in how we feel is a burdened lifted. DD, Disappointed, and the many supporting anons, you are greatly appreciated and may God bless you for showing support in this time. Every time you speak you help the healing God is doing in our lives.
Hugs,
Julie
Lisa I am so proud of you for stepping up. This is hard I know from my own feelings and experience.
I know it is hard to know your health problems could have been prevented. You are a strong and brave lady! Thank you for coming forward. I am forever grateful to you.
Hugs,
Julie
As I read the Michael Fontenot story the other day, it brought back the memory of being in Graham and something he did.
He like to bump into me and touch my breasts .....I was married and so was he....I was told I was just paranoid but he did it many times. I tired to say how he was but no one wanted to listen they I told.
I thought I bet he is having sex with other women and children because he fit the actions of other men in my life.....I said that out loud to my mother one day on the phone and she told me I wasn't too old for Kekel to come over and spank me and give me black pepper. In the leaders' eyes I was a feeble minded child forever.
I have held this in for years; so not surprised at his other actions.
I warned but it fail on deaf ears.
Hugs,
Julie
Davis would always preach that he was accused of sleeping with women. He would say it was Satan. No. We never wanted you . And he talks about those dresses. No but in the days Jesus had long hair and they wore robes. So if we are to be correct you are sinning.... It is more important that you win a soul over to Christ then dress and suits. You have the never Davis to call us whores. When behind close doors you sleep with the children. Julie and I are not the only ones. There where many others... In the end God is the one you will answer to as each day goes by your getting older and older. Your end is near...
I do recall when I as a kid. We gave tithe money in the basket. Then they where asking people to give more money to buy him a Cadillac. Davis needed a Cadillac. . Then when Davis came we had to go outside. So Olson could brag. Like he came up with the money....there hearts where filled with greed Anne lust. Please listen to me you can't be healed or on the right path Ntcc members because Jesus has to be in your heart... They are the blind leading the blind.
WOW I'm just getting to read these comments - Lisa, another brave trooper! I'm so sorry dear for all that you endured. You and Julie are doing an amazing job with sharing your stories. We are here for you. We love you both and support you! None of this is any of your fault and I just pray you heal and love yourself and see yourself the way God loves you. I also pray you know that none of this is of God. Human kind (Adam & Eve) brought death, sin, & sickness into this world. Idiots such as RWD and the borg-gang just like to capitalize on it. They WILL have their day!
I just don't know how they sleep every night, KNOWING they preach against all of this, they KNOW the end and yet they have all these skeletons in their closets. I will never understand how they feel good fooling humanity but knowing their final resting place. It shows me this is all just theatrics for them - I wonder if they even actually believe in God! I'm just saying!
I would like to address charities and give everyone some food for thought.
If you look up the word charity you will find it to mean love like the bible has shown it to be.
Keeping this in mind, we see that helping organizations are called charities. Charities mean organizations of love. Charity is an organization that raises money for the unprivileged by donors of the wealth and those not lacking in need of anything or by time from voluntaries. If you have ever done much work with charities as I have you will find that one charity is always willing to help another charity if they see a way because they understand they have the same goal that being, wanting to help others for love equals selflessness and giving to another. Charities don’t look to make themselves wealthy.
Now let look at what is the opposite of love. The opposite of love is hate. When a hate group arise one thing you will notice about them is unlike the organization of love they will not help another hate group or organization of love for hate equals taking from another and selfishness.
Hate group are smart though for they know if they want money they must give a front of love by show they are right above all other organizations and groups thinking this is a way to show they care even if it is a false care. They must show without them the world will fall apart. People give and give to them thinking they are helping to stop all wrong from the rest of the world, organizations, and groups not realizing that giving to the hate group is only taking money from where it is needed most.
Two questions I would like to leave you with today.
1. Which organization or group are you in, love or hate?
2. Which of the above do you think NTCC fits in, love or hate?
Hugs,
Julie
Lisa said...I do recall when I as a kid. We gave tithe money in the basket. Then they where asking people to give more money to buy him a Cadillac. Davis needed a Cadillac. . Then when Davis came we had to go outside. So Olson could brag.
Their cars were the accessories to the idols they made themselves out to be.
Yes my parents gave money towards Davis get his Cadillac but they couldn't buy me proper shoes that fit. No it was more important the car the "MOG" was driving then the fact my shoe were way too small and messed up.
Hugs,
Julie
Hugs,
Julie
Lisa said...You have the never Davis to call us whores. When behind close doors you sleep with the children. Julie and I are not the only ones. There where many others...
I still remember asking my mother what is a whore? She said, It is a woman that like being in a bed with men more than anything else.
As I got a little older and Davis would refer to me as such....I would think there is no way I am a whore for I don't like being in a bed with any man ever.
Lisa said....When behind close doors you sleep with the children. Julie and I are not the only ones.
No we are not the only ones....sick people yet they think they deserve honor.
What is your definition of honor or what do you defined deserving of honor?
Hugs,
Julie
Hugs,
Julie
Kat said...WOW I'm just getting to read these comments - Lisa, another brave trooper! I'm so sorry dear for all that you endured. You and Julie are doing an amazing job with sharing your stories. We are here for you. We love you both and support you! None of this is any of your fault and I just pray you heal and love yourself and see yourself the way God loves you. I also pray you know that none of this is of God. Human kind (Adam & Eve) brought death, sin, & sickness into this world. Idiots such as RWD and the borg-gang just like to capitalize on it. They WILL have their day!
Yes Kat I agree Lisa is a trooper and one smart lady to see that what they did was wrong.
Thank you Kat for showing your support to Lisa. Support even through comments go a long ways.
Thank you also for the support you give me as well it is such a great help and blessing to me.
Prayers for both of us go along ways.
The only way they can sleep is with a harden heart towards God in my opinion.
Hugs,
Julie
I am going to send this to the aclu, these girls civil rights were
Violated beyond anything I have ever known.
We send you both, all our love, and honor you both, you are the voices of those who Jesus defends. The least of these...
How could these things have happened? Where were all the Holy Men, and women of God?
What you suffered is beyond comprehension. ...I wish I had known,
But I knew none of this, nor did I think it was possible. Lisa, maybe you in time, could get brenda to put down what she knows, I love you both, and I pray for you both. Your in Christ always...anon
I want to thank everyone for giving us. Love and support. I am willing to do anything to see that they go to jail. My sister Pam, told her story. Davis. Use to tell her lies about Johnny and. He tores us apart for a long time.. I. Kept telling her the truth would come out in the end. Thank God. the truth came out. I despise everything he ever did to me. Davis I hate. For helping Johnny, for thinking. He could spank us touch my family and friends you are a nasty old man.. My prayer God please close down Ntcc. Stop letting him hurt more families and children..
I want to thank everyone for giving us. Love and support. I am willing to do anything to see that they go to jail. My sister Pam, told her story. Davis. Use to tell her lies about Johnny and. He tores us apart for a long time.. I. Kept telling her the truth would come out in the end. Thank God. the truth came out. I despise everything he ever did to me. Davis I hate. For helping Johnny, for thinking. He could spank us touch my family and friends you are a nasty old man.. My prayer God please close down Ntcc. Stop letting him hurt more families and children..
Someone should ask Mary Gesang about what happened to her.
Anon said...We send you both, all our love, and honor you both, you are the voices of those who Jesus defends. The least of these...
Thanks for your love it is both amazing and appreciate.
To be loved amazes me for to be loved is still something I find is hard to wrap my mind around. For to be unloved for so long it is hard to understand why one could love me now. Even the love of others is shocking still to me.
Then you say you honor me. Respect is something I give but am not use to receiving. As people are starting to show it, I find myself look at everything going what is there to respect when I feel so much like a used up piece of garbage. Yet I am trying to learn to respect myself realizing that maybe I am on this earth for purpose. Maybe I can be a voice even if I have so little in life to offer.
Things are changing for good but it is a very long journey for I don't get here in the blink of an eye and it won't all change in the blink of an eye either.
Anon said...How could these things have happened? Where were all the Holy Men, and women of God?
They were busy listening to the false "MOG".
I thought even at 16 and older people in the org knew what happened and believe it was meant to be in my life. I would at 16 look at people thinking wonder if this one thinks I deserve it, I caused it, or do they think the purpose of me beginning born was to satisfy men.
During this time I would have never thought not everyone knew what was going on.
After I left just like others things were said of me.
Some were told nothing, some were told I had a lying issue and had left God, some were told I died giving birth to my daughter and that my daughter died, then you have those that came after I left that were told my parents only had one child and it was as if I was never born to my parents.
Why those that truly knew the truth,did nothing, I can never understand?
I am thankful to find God does care about me.
Trust is not an easy thing for me and sometime it seems like I go 1 step forward and 4 steps back but I continue to work on it; healing just a little more each day.
Hugs,
Julie
Lisa said.... I. Kept telling her the truth would come out in the end. Thank God. the truth came out.
Thanks Lisa for speaking up and for continuing to speak. You are amazing person and such an important voice to the truth.
Hugs,
Julie
I was reminded of a time when pastor Davis. Had a men's meeting to discuss. The time when Paul Jordan was caught master bating. Davis told them it was a sin .. He called m out made him come upfront. How awful... Every time you give them money you are telling them it's ok to molest children, it's ok to call people out, Please take heed. Members ask your leaders and board members. How dose that have to do with Christ?
I do want to say I and Lori where planning on leaving anyway I told Lori I would rather die and go to hell then to live like this. My mom heard the conversation and started smacking me. She was saying bad words she got even more mad saying I made her say God name in vein.. She was so hot She kept cursing. Saying she can ask God forgiveness. While she punched my back and was kicking me...... Lori and I where younger and I learned to make humor out of everything. I would tell her Rhinos. Really do charge at random. We would laugh...
Paul Jordan didn't get caught masturbating; what happened is that someone apparently had stated it was sinful, and he got under a bunch of "conviction" and ran away. George Jordan found him at the bus station and brought him back. RW called all the men (except Paul wasn't there) downstairs at Forest Avenue and raked us over the coals. He told us the bible doesn't say anything about that and he was the pastor and no one else was to do his job (blah blah blah, etc.). I bet there was some jacking off going on that night! WooHoo, something fun isn't a sin, can you believe it--we don't have to live like ascetic monks! Strange doctrine for a "holiness" church, but I have to commend RW for at least not piling that on top of all the other fake guilt they imposed on us. That place is a demented circus, and we were jumping through flaming hoops at the ringmaster's whim. Send in the clowns! Oh wait...they were already running the show.
Vic said:
"Paul Jordan didn't get caught masturbating; what happened is that someone apparently had stated it was sinful, and he got under a bunch of "conviction" and ran away. George Jordan found him at the bus station and brought him back. RW called all the men (except Paul wasn't there) downstairs at Forest Avenue and raked us over the coals."
DNA said: I'm not doubting either account. I wasn't there, but I've also heard Davis preach against masturbating. He has been known to be a double standard hypocrite. You have to question the source, Davis, who is a child molesting pervert, and harbors those who he allows to do the same. Lisa was fairly young when all this happened and she heard about it, so you gotta figure people were talking and Paul Jordan was probably in the awkward position as one who silences the gossip when he enters a room. Maybe Lisa got her information from her pervert brother in law Johnny Jordan who also was a child molesting freak. You gotta wonder about all of these Jordans. Lisa said he got caught masturbating and if a person ran away because they were doing something that was frowned upon in the ntcc, it's just like getting caught. Maybe Davis wanted some more of his tithe money, before he got on the bus. Who knows. But this one thing I know is that the ntcc is one seriously messed up freak show and those who claim to be the leaders are all guilty of allowing it to become what it is.
Lisa said:
Every time you give them money you are telling them it's ok to molest children, it's ok to call people out, Please take heed. Members ask your leaders and board members. How dose that have to do with Christ?
DNA said:
If an adult were to buy a case of beer and invite a bunch of highschoolers over to their house, the police would haul the adults off to jail. If the adult were smoking pot with the children he would get hauled off to prison. In a cult, the cult leaders get away with molesting young girls because they and their parents put fear in their hearts. Look at all the kids that Warren Jeffs molested, before someone stood up for themselves. The ntcc is the same.
If you are giving money to these perverts you are financing their sexual deviance. I wonder whose money it was that Philandering Phil Kinson spent at the whorehouse. I'm sure it wasn't his own money that he had smartly invested. Anyway I'm sure he is in line for a mansion of his own.
I wonder how much of our money and your money made it easier for these predators to molest girls. Hush money, bribes and settling out of court. Oh, you don't think that happens? People aren't stupid, they know Davis has unlimited cash flow and is answerable to nobody. I bet he's paid his way out of a lot of situations, that the average person would have done hard time for.
Lisa said:
"I do want to say I and Lori where planning on leaving anyway I told Lori I would rather die and go to hell then to live like this."
DNA said:
How sad is it that a child would rather die and go to hell than to hang around some church and get physically and spiritually abused. I'm so glad that you got away from these sick people.
Lisa said:
" I would tell her Rhinos really do charge at random. We would laugh..."
DNA said:
That about sums it up. I'm glad that you and Lori were able to survive to tell about it.
As I. Continue. The rest of this is I ...... Just remember. I was. The girl. You used to spit on me and kick me? I called you write after you left. I told you I admit I was a horrible child. If you could admit to me your where not the best mom you said no you told me you never loved me and you went off on me. Then you wonder why us kids never call you. Could it be when Johns home you talk sweet when Johns gone you are so meAn. You used to tell the church ladies you and I where so close when was thT when you where choking me and we had a life and death experience......
Mark G, Julie and I went through a horrible experience that you can't understand because you are blinded you live in darkness. It takes many years and lots of counseling to deal with this. .. What if this was your child that was raped and spanked? Davis and St.Clairs. Sit in. The church with others with. Smiles. Thinking they got away with this. The truth will set us free and will show the inside of them and that is hate greed and lust. Men can't touch there bodies because that is unholy but let's. Molest the children. Do you know. What it feel like no you have to cover the mirrors in your house because you are ugly and nasty inside and out
Mark G they took the one thing from you that is gone .. It was a hateful act. Julie I understand and thank God you have the courage to stand up and defend yourself..we are not there prisoners anymore. Johnny Jordan you are going back to jail! I will fight to the day I die to make you pay. Davis you hell you will welcome because I will be there for Julie my sister PAm and Brenda we are not taking it anymore,!, Mom you are going to die a lonely death in jail or all alone.. As for Heaven I will be there and I will help them lock the gates you are not welcomed. You have lied and beat us dragged us down .. I am her to say that it's over ....
Mark G they took the one thing from you that is gone .. It was a hateful act. Julie I understand and thank God you have the courage to stand up and defend yourself..we are not there prisoners anymore. Johnny Jordan you are going back to jail! I will fight to the day I die to make you pay. Davis you hell you will welcome because I will be there for Julie my sister PAm and Brenda we are not taking it anymore,!, Mom you are going to die a lonely death in jail or all alone.. As for Heaven I will be there and I will help them lock the gates you are not welcomed. You have lied and beat us dragged us down .. I am her to say that it's over ....
Iam so embarrsed by all of this,I personally didn't like davis was totally terrified of him,and I kept my distance from him..I feel bad for all the horrifying thing's that happen to the men,children,and women in there.I looked up to Ashmore he was my favorite his kid's and my brother;s and sister's grew up together,and I honestly have to say nothing like this ever happen to my family,Thank God My Mother WAS A Mother to her kid's and wasn't caught up in this cult,I'mdeeply sorry for all of the sadness in many of the kid's lives the way they were treated and mistreated,the day will come!!!!
I want to ask a question to Barbara. Norton, I won't call you mom anymore you don't deserve that name... How is it that Davis, you think is your friend and Pastor? When you have to pay him for counseling, and to walk in that church door? Me I don't have to pay my friends and they don't pay me. No matter what they need they always know they can call me anytime of the day or night. Lori we grew up sometimes went our own ways but the sec her and I are on that phone it is like we have been to gather we know each other that we'll.. My new friends I am opening my heart to them so they will know I love them and I will be here for them........Davis is not your friend
There is a a apology to my friend who spent the night with me at 10yrs. Old. .. I can't tell her name I promised. You spent the night with me God I hope you are reading this.. You Told me that Davis when your bad makes you get naked and if you don't have oral sex with him he spanks and plays with you while you sight the prayer Now I lay me down to sleep I pray The Lord my soul to keep.. I am so sorry I did not believe you. ..You told me to be good Davis was telling people he wanted to spank me... Please I am begging you leave that church please. God doesn't want you sad... Friend this bothers me I did not believe you forgive me please forgive me. Call me I will help you
I always took there heads off Pam would go and put the heads back on .. Davis told my mom every. Time I do that To smack me as hard as she could because. I was acting like a crazy person that is embarrassing barb Davis and the church ....... Lori and I would always play church we would first find the biggest sticks we could we would pick our dolls out and set them by us we would take turns preaching my doll was always taken out to get a spanking then her doll would get spanked.. She asked me why I punched her doll in the nose I told her because she said bad words Lori pulled her hair , I pulled the rest out told to listen. We'll barb. You where the reason I was crazy
Yes Lisa we did do that ,but at that time we thought that was the thing to do ,cause we were thought that,was the way we should treat our kid's and if they were out of line we were to punish them for not listening,Yes they were only doll's but can you omagine what would of happen if thoses were real children they would of been beaten ,and damaged...This really didn't cross my mind till we was on the phone the other day and I was like WOW REALLY that's why we did that because the church taught us that we never knew that till just recently....Hmmm makes me wonder...
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