Holiness or Hell? Part 1

During our combined twenty two + plus years in the ntcc, we have heard the term "Holiness or Hell" used from behind the pulpit, during bible studies, and in general conversation many times.  Without going into our own personal opinions and convictions that might agree or disagree with the ntcc on many holiness issues, we think that it is important to get down to the root of the problem or matter however you might see it.

My issue with holiness preachers has nothing to do with the content of holiness teachings but with the way it comes across.  With the ntcc every thing comes across the pulpit as:

• "Do or Die."
• "My Way or the Highway!"
• "Heaven or Hell!"
•  etc... 

But they also throw around the question,

• "What would Jesus do?"

That is a great question; and one we all should strive to achieve.  I do not ever remember Jesus saying follow me or you will die and go to hell.  It seemed to me that the ones that followed him did so more so out of love than fear.

The reason that the ntcc is so cut and dry on many issues is that they are a cult.
They use these teachings as ultimatums:

• to gain more control
• to create fear
• to make their group seem more elite
• to make it harder to obtain membership in their exclusive club

This is a very dangerous road to travel down; because the group that usually gets excluded are the people that are the opposite of proud, the least of God's children, and the ones that are the most easily offended. The ntcc have said in the past that "It's God's word that is offending them not our preaching."  By saying this they are displaying their lack of forgiveness and a judgmental attitude that runs many off; in spite of the fact that they do preach Christ crucified. It's counter-productive to introduce holiness or hell after you just got done preaching Jesus' blood or hell.

While there are many teachings in the bible that are the "do's and don'ts" of Christianity there are also teachings that we adhere to that are not all "cut and dry".  Many things in the bible apply to customs of the time and Old Testament Law.  Tithe is a concept that has absolutely no supporting New Testament Scripture; but it is a huge part of ntcc's teaching; because in ntcc tithe is used to separate Christians from sinners and to distinguish those that are saved from those who are not.  And, more importantly to the ntcc, tithe is used to gain revenue ($$$$$$).  Not only do they hammer tithe; but they add all kinds of offerings and use more cult loaded jargon to guilt people to give.  There were many times that I was encouraged to give more than I could; and it was done in a way that made me feel that if I didn't pledge money that I didn't have that I lacked the faith to trust God [manipulation].  Now, I'm finding out that what I did give was funding the higher-ups' lifestyle more than it was helping those for whom the money was designated.  I do not have any problem with somebody paying their tithe; but when it is preached as a stipulation to being saved it takes the blessing away from the giver; and I have to say that there is no scriptural evidence that supports this teaching.

The same applies with holiness teaching.  If someone is taught holiness or hell, it makes holiness an ultimatum and people live it out of fear instead of love.  Most of what the ntcc preaches and teaches is not necessarily un-biblical, although some of it is; but it is the way in which they erupt from the pulpit and spew out ultimatums that makes it wrong.  I could take a dog that dumps on the carpet and stick its nose in it and beat the dog until it can barely walk; and it fears me every time I come near it.  Or I can choose a method like putting a dog door in the house and showing the dog his mess, give the dog some verbal reprimand and possibly a small swat to get his attention and then put him through the dog door.  I wonder which method works the best with Christians?  I wonder which method would bring in the most money into the offering plates?  I wonder if holiness was not preached as a prerequisite to make it into heaven if you might find more takers?

Part of the problem that I have with the ntcc's preaching is that they add to and take away from true holiness.  The ntcc's stand on facial hair on men is not scriptural in any way and has no place being preached as a requirement to being a Christian whether or not it is implied or in the form of public rebuke.  Is not holiness an outward appearance for an inward work?  How does the ntcc's stand on encouraging divorce not apply to "holiness or hell" preaching?  It seems like this is allowed because it would call into question the legitimacy of the entire organization, its founder, and the reasons he started a cult instead of adhering to the principles of the organization that would not allow him to do his own thing.   I could go into how tanya kekel dresses and how michael c. kekel has conducted himself, and whether or not football pants are lascivious, and many other questionable doctrines of  the ntcc; but I think that we have covered this sufficiently.  The holiness or hell doctrine that was preached the entire time that I was in the ntcc, which was 1983 - 1997 [Don] and 1990 -1999 [Ange], has been broken and changed many times by the ntcc leadership to cover their own shortcomings [compromise].

We have found that serving God is not supposed to be this difficult; and that God is much more forgiving than the ntcc.  We appreciate all that contribute to this blog; but we especially recognize the X-ers for what they have had to endure over the years.  We were all made to live as slaves to a machine that tried to control our thoughts and actions by the use of intimidation, public embarrassment and humiliation.  I really believe as said before that there will be a special dispensation of grace for those that had to endure this kind of spiritual abuse; and that God has not forsaken us because we have left this evil and wicked organization; but rather it is the first step in a long process of healing and definitely a move in the right direction toward inward holiness without hell being rammed down our throats.

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A)  Sounds Like A True Description Of ntcc.

B)  ntcc Sounds Like A Cult.

C)  I Read This Post.

D)  Holiness Comes After Salvation So It Is Not A Prerequisite For Heaven.

E)   Holiness Comes From The Heart, Not From Rules.

F)  Create Your Own By Leaving A Comment:  Example:  "F"  ntcc preaches holiness to gain control of its members' lives and finances.

G)  Glad To Be Out of ntcc

H)  Create Your Own

I)    I'm Thinking Of Leaving ntcc

J)  Create Your Own

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NTCC SAYINGS

In an effort to lighten up a little bit we have decided to do something that everyone can participate in. If you have a favorite ntcc saying that you would like to post, let it rip. Comments and graffiti are also welcome, but please keep it clean. We'll start off with a few of our favorite ntcc sayings:

If Mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. 

 IF MAMA AIN'T HAPPY . . . 
 AIN'T NOBODY HAPPY ! ! ! 

We feel this translates thus: "I's whipped."

There's always one good biscuit in the bottom of a slop bucket.
Is that really true?

That Man has a "cement head": thoroughly mixed and permanently set.

 A Cow Chewing Cud
 Looks Intelligent ??? 

 Calf Staring At A New Gate 

"What's the difference between a man chewing gum and a cow chewing its cud? The intelligent look on the cow's face. HaHaHa."

"Now why are you looking at me like a calf staring at a new gate?"

Don and Ange say:

??? Sounds like somebody is spending entirely too much time staring at cows!

Slicker than goose snot on a glass door knob. Eww. Gross.

A hypocrite is a person who is not himself on Sunday.

You must have taken a whole bottle of stupid pills. Especially true if you are still in ntcc.

I never did think that man was saved.  As if...

I never saw a ( _______________ ) [fill in the blank, such as Puerto Rican, homosexual...] get saved. [r. w. davis' quotes]

Children hinder the work of the borg, er, I mean Lawd...

And let's not forget this ntcc saying posted prominently on the bible school wall:

Rule # 1: The BOSS is always right!

Rule # 2: If The BOSS is wrong, see Rule # 1!

  Rule # 1 !  

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A) Sounds True
B) Sounds Cultish
C) I Read It
D) The photos "If Mama Ain't Happy" and "Rule # 1!" both remind me of ntcc
E) ntcc teaches more about their pet sayings than they do about SALVATION
F) LOL!

G) Glad To Be Out of ntcc
H) Create Your Own
I) I'm Thinking Of Leaving ntcc
J) Create Your Own

Pitchfork Religion or Fishy Doctrine

mike kekel put together a blog post from material written by others that he used in an effort to accuse Xers of wrongdoing just because they no longer attend ntcc and have stated why they won't follow hypocrites like kekel and davis.  What is sad but true is that kekel's blog post does a better job of condemning him and davis than it does of condemning  Xers.  Let's look at some things kekel quoted and his discussion:

"This is part 6 of the Secondary qualities (pages 41 to 81) It reveals the thinking behind people who leave and rise up against people they once revered."

Immediately following is an excerpt from practical theology class which is made up mostly of comments from non-ntcc Christians, these words are shared:

“No other man, but the retired millionaire, is such a monarch of his day as is the minister. He can read on Monday morning, or write, or walk, or mingle all three, just as he deems best. On Tuesday morning, he can attend to his correspondence, or catalogue his library, or eat the heart out of some new book, or meet a company of friends, just as he decides. The order of his going out and coming in is largely at his own discretion. Living within wide liberty is dangerous; it has spoiled thousands. He can adapt any style of preaching that he likes, he can follow whatever line of thought he chooses … and … (this) begets in certain types of men a tone of mind which says: “I am Sir Oracle, and when I open my lips, let no dog bark.” … Here is a true description of ministers not a few: ‘They love the chief places at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, and the salutations in the market-place, and to be called of men, Rabbi."

“In the realm of parish administration, a puffed-up shepherd exhibits symptoms which have been often deplored. He resents all divergence from his opinions. Men who do not agree with him are set down as his foes. He treats them as traitors to the cause of truth. All who will not carry out his wishes have the mark of the beast. He is irritated by the least opposition. He is mortified by the failure of a single plan. Any independence of thought he considers a personal affront."

Don and Ange say,

Does this sound like anyone you know?  To us all these negative traits being condemned by non-ntcc Christians are most often exhibited by the ntcc borg 'leaders' such as davis and kekel.

For example:

"No other man, but the retired millionaire, is such a monarch of his day as is the minister." "The order of his going out and coming in is largely at his own discretion."

That really describes the borg 'leaders' like davis and kekel.  Who determines when they go anywhere?  Or who even knows what they do all day?  They sit around all day and make rules that limit you - where you can work,  telling you not to seek promotion or higher education, requiring that you report how much income you make, what hours you can work, how often you have to be in church.  And all the while you have no idea what they are doing, or whether or not they are even in town or just skipping service.  I've seen davis lay out of church plenty of times when he was at the campground and in St. Louis.  Nobody dares to say anything to him about it either because:

"(this) begets in certain types of men a tone of mind which says: “I am Sir Oracle, and when I open my lips, let no dog bark."

You know what we're talking about.  Just try to raise your hand in one of those ntcc bible studies and see what happens.  You will get shot down.  They don't even want you to ask questions about the bible.  You definitely don't want to see their reaction if you question them about there whereabouts of their spending habits.  They are completely unaccountable to you.  They can go where they want, spend what they want, do what they want.  

But they hold the reins on your life.  Your wife can't work.  You can not go to school.  You have to meet every church service and obligation.  They know how much money you make and require you give them one tenth.  But they never prove where that money goes.  They are completely unaccountable to you.

Here is a true description of ministers not a few:  ‘They love the chief places at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, and the salutations in the market-place, and to be called of men, Rabbi." 

Taken from the scripture, the quoted material is speaking of hypocrites who require you to save them the best seats in the church, like on the altar, or front pew, and demand you call them a title like Pastor.  Hmmn.  Sounding familiar yet?  As if that doesn't paint a clear picture of the ntcc, this next paragraph does even more so:

“In the realm of parish administration, a puffed-up shepherd exhibits symptoms which have been often deplored. He resents all divergence from his opinions. Men who do not agree with him are set down as his foes.  He treats them as traitors to the cause of truth. All who will not carry out his wishes have the mark of the beast. He is irritated by the least opposition. He is mortified by the failure of a single plan. Any independence of thought he considers a personal affront."

WOW.  That so describes kekel and davis.  Listen to kekel's own crazy description of anyone who no longer attends ntcc.  kekel said,

"I consider them my enemies!" -- m c kekel "

HELLO!

The whole article that kekel strung together really condemns him.  Of course, he tries to pitchfork his condemnation off onto the Xers, stating that the material he's quoting:

"It reveals the thinking behind people who leave and rise up against people they once revered." m c kekel, ntcc CEO

Really, mike?  This entire writing screams out to that part of one's brain that houses common sense and logic. I wish that I had gone straight to the ntcc bible school and taken this bs class 27 years ago. I would have seen the ntcc leadership for the hypocrites they are and left, instead of ruining the last 27 years of my life. We think your blog smog more clearly reveals your own twisted heart thus:

"It reveals the hypocrisy of those who are highly revered towards people that leave because they disagree with ntcc doctrines!" 

or, as kekel stated, "I consider them my enemies!"  WOW!

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A) Sounds Like A True Description of ntcc.
B) ntcc Sounds Like A Cult.
C) I Read This Post.
D) kekel sounds bitter and hateful.
E) kekel is pitchforking.
F) I'm afraid to get caught commenting on this blog.
G) Glad To Be Out of ntcc!
H) I've seen kekel, davis, and many other ntcc preachers act like that proud, "I AM SIR ORACLE" spirit. That's why they don't allow anyone to disagree with them or even question them.
I) I'm Thinking Of Leaving ntcc.
J) Create Your Own
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NTCC Lies and Broken Promises from Deborah's Witness

February 5, 1997

Letter of Dispatch
Letter of Support

Re: Greg T. S.
508-1 Sang Yon Dong
P.O. Box 19
Tongduchun
Republic Of Korea

To Whom concerned,

This is to certify that Rev. Greg T. S. is an ordained minister in good standing with the New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. This is to further certify that Rev. Greg T. S. has been granted an appointment to Korea that he may serve as a Pastor and spiritual director of U.S. servicemen. His role as a servicemen’s director consists of providing a place of spiritual fellowship and relaxation, etc. for US servicemen. Also, New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. will be responsible for the financial support of Rev. and Mrs. Greg T. S. during their stay in Korea to include all expenses that relate to their meals and lodging.

Thanking you for your help and cooperation in this matter.

Sincerely,
//Signed//
J.R. Ashmore (Secretary)

Here’s the link to the original.

COMMENTS: I did not become an ordained minister until 2006. We never receive the promised financial support (yes, we asked).

We had to pay for all the mandatory conferences, and make up all the difference in the church bills. Again…Yes, I did ask for money from HQ (one time), citing this letter as authorization. We were told (by Rev. Olson) if the bills weren’t paid we would be replaced (or in his words...if you can’t pay the bills, your replacement will be bringing the check); this letter was just a formality to get us into the country (along with our visa, which was tourist). We had only been in Korea 6 months by this time.

Previous to this, Deborah and I were pastoring a self supporting work, we did not have to work secular jobs, liked where we were at, had brothers living in the home, and had only been there (Leesville) 9 months. Before we arrived in Korea this first time, we were told by Pastor Davis the work in Korea was self supporting, we wouldn’t have to work a secular job, and the Korean church had a sizable congregation; with brothers living in the home.

When we arrived, I was told by Rev. Stevens I had to get a secular job; that this was approved and encouraged by Rev. Olson. When I called Rev. Olson about this, he confirmed.

Rev. Stevens was in a hurry to do changeover/sign the books over to me (the day after we got there), but after we started some things didn’t add up (more on this later). At changeover about a week later the general fund had about $23 in it, with no escrow fund. The work was not self supporting, had a small congregation (less than 20), and no one was living in the servicemen’s home. I also did not get my pastor salary the entire time we were there.

The budget for this work, during this time (1997-2001), averaged about $5,000 per month year round.

Rev. Steven’s also told us it would be a good idea for Deborah to get a job (like his wife had), so we would have the additional money that was needed, and that HQ approved of this. I called Rev. Olson; he confirmed, and told me sometimes certain things were necessary in the work of the Lord. I resisted having Deborah work for as long as I could, but after our request to NTCC for money was denied, she got a job.

Please note: Rev. Olson assured me Pastor Davis knew and approved of all this. Rev. Stevens assured me Rev. Olson knew and approved of all this. Also, Rev. and Sis. MacDonald encouraged my wife and I in Deborah getting a job with the same company Sis. MacDonald (and Sis. Stevens) worked for each time they have been in Korea.

There are many more details to this account but this will do for now.

In His Service,

Gregory

[link to this article on Deb and Greg's blog.]

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C) I Read It

D) ntcc lied about supporting Greg and Deb financially. ntcc lied to the Korean government about Deb and Greg being "tourists". ntcc is dAVIS and oLSON and aSHMORE in this true story TELLING LIES.

E) ntcc is designed to make a few families at the top very rich while the majority of workers live sacrifice and poverty only to be threatened by ntcc 'leaders' who have been lying to them. !??!

F) Create Your Own "F" ntcc 'leaders' don't keep the rules they make for others to keep. That is a double-standard and is wrong, just like the Pharisees/scribes/and hypocrites Jesus reproached telling us "They SAY and DO NOT." (ALL TALK, NO WALK)!

G) Glad To Be Out of ntcc

H) Create Your Own "H" ntcc should have to PROVE where ALL the (Mission Fund) money they collect goes. They say they are honest. We say PROVE IT or be found liars!

I) I'm Thinking Of Leaving ntcc

J) Create Your Own

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ntcc: A Money-Making Pyramid Scheme

In a comment on our thread titled "Dog Show or Winterfest" April said,

"BUT,have you really been called of God? Ntcc is a Organization based on FALSE teachers. So how can it be of God?"

That's a good question April. The answer is that they "have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof." I believe that there are people saved in the ntcc, and called to preach even; but there is so much other garbage going on that God can't move. God can't bless unrepented of sin. When people gather together and call on God, God moves. But this is all they have to hang their hat on is "a feeling."

When I was in the ntcc, I believe that I was saved; but it was a shallow, restrictive Christianity. We were too critical of everyone around us to be effective. This critical attitude was taught and nurtured by the pastors in the Servicemen's homes and imitated by the members. But guess what? Do you think that the pastors learned this behavior on their own? It was taught to them by davis, kekel and the rest of that bunch up in Washington.

I used to bring carloads and vanloads of people out to church; but what was I really doing? Not only were they run off by the Holier than thou attitude we had, but we probably turned them away from ever wanting God. People like you and me still got saved; but how could God have blessed us in an environment where so much tearing down of the brethren took place?

I know I had good intentions; and I'd like to think that I led people to Christ. But just about every person that I know of that I invited to church has been run off. Out of 13 years of work, and bringing thousands of people to church, can God not keep one person? I'm not bragging about how many people I brought to church, but just trying to figure out what happened to them all.

I think that the ntcc is built like a multi-level marketing pyramid scheme. The highly esteemed rdub was a salesman at one time and if you look at the model of AMWAY or NIKEN or any other pyramid scheme, you'll find that they are cults in and of themselves.

They introduce you into their sales gimmick without telling you all the details up front. You have to go out to one of their meetings first. (Sound familiar?)

Then they try to make you feel that you are going to be a part of something unique and special. (Love Bombing.)

They show you the success stories of the rich and famous within their organization. (Supposing gain is godliness. So that you can have men's persons in admiration because of advantage. [So you can admire them, and suck-up to them because of the money and power they have.])

And tell you that it's a numbers game. You don't have to do any sales yourself, all you have to do is get them out to a professional sales pitch meeting (church); and the ones that have the experience in convincing people to spend money on stuff they don't want will get the sales for you (preachers / hirelings)...

Oh, and by the way, there is an initial investment (building funds, church budget offerings) usually over a thousand dollars and a monthly investment that they now call autoship (tithe and offerings), where you buy $100 per month of their product to get to the next level. If you get ten people to one of their meetings, one person will show enough interest to get ten more people out to one of their meetings; and then it's supposed to multiply.

But what you end up with is:

• A bunch of suckers that have spent thousands of dollars on a bunch of worthless junk.
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• And 99% of the people involved never succeeding.
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• And 1% that are getting filthy rich off of the work off the backs of a bunch of suckers.

That's how ntcc works:

• You invite droves of people out to church.
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• And one or two might get genuinely saved.
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• But then after years of being beaten down they end up leaving.

What have you accomplished?

You brought thousands ($$$,$$$) in tithe to the church; so that the fat cats in Graham could support their lavish lifestyles!

They sing about victory in Jesus, but where is their victory? They might have some conferences that God supposedly moves in; but after the joy and the worked up frenzy is gone then comes the plowing and beating down of the brethren.

It's all about the very few prospering off of the very hard work of many. Let's say ntcc has 10,000 people in it now: 9,000 are just "playing church" and 1,000 are truly dedicated; and 900 of these 1,000 of them will be beaten down and left for dead. What you have left is 100 that are either the rich and affluent or the few hold outs that think one day "they too will be like mike" [kekel].

ntcc is a pyramid money-making scam. Nothing more, nothing less. It is evil of them to dress it in robes of religion; but that is what satan does. He acts like he knows God's word better than you do [Thou shalt NOT surely die.] he spins a lie, hoping you will bite into the forbidden fruit and perish.

But we don't have to fall for satan and ntcc's devices. We have the Holy Spirit to teach us the truth, inspiring men and women to expose these FALSE teachers in ntcc; just as April has pointed out.
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D) ntcc puts too much emphasis on money and numbers instead of souls

E) ntcc is a pyramid money-making scheme designed to make a few families at the top very rich while the majority of workers live sacrifice and poverty

F) Create Your Own By Leaving A Comment: Example: "F" ntcc leaders may preach Jesus, but they WORSHIP the 'almighty' dollar

G) Glad To Be Out of ntcc

H) Create Your Own "H" If you cost ntcc money, they will discard you to protect their true love, money.

I) I'm Thinking Of Leaving ntcc

J) Create Your Own

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Driving Wedges Part 1: NTCC 'Leaders' Sow Discord and Drive Wedges, Breaking Up Marriages, and Families, and Friendships

In a recently deleted article that m c kekel was ashamed to have on his supposed church-blog, m c kekel said:


"creeping among you, ostensibly as your friends, while sowing discord and driving wedges." -- m c kekel, ntcc ceo


kekel made this false accusation against people who have left the ntcc.  It is a typically cultish,baseless, and broad-brush accusation with nothing to back it.  But kekel makes this accusation hoping to instill fear in his followers (and they are more aptly described as followers of mikey, than followers of Jesus)...  Yes, kekel makes these statements to drive wedges into the hearts of his followers to persuade them to forsake any friend or family member who no longer attends the ntcc.  And then kekel tries to deny that the ntcc is a cult?  Please, people, let's put on our thinking caps and consider this:


If your cult leader demands loyalty to him and his cult above all other things, you are in a cult that has become your idol and taken Jesus off the throne of your heart where Jesus should be.  If you say you are a Christian, your first loyalty should be to Christ.  You should keep His commandment to love one another.   Jesus did not say love those who attend only the ntcc cult!  


kekel is driving wedges and separating members of the body of Christ from one another; because he does not want you to follow your friend out the door to freedom in Christ, freedom from man-made rules, freedom from lying hypocrites who want full control over you and your friends and family.  No, kekel can not afford to lose you just yet.  Someone has to pay his bills for him.  (And clean his wife's house for her; and do his wife's grocery shopping for her; she is soooo busy shopping at Nordstroms and Macys!)  These are facts, friends.



Friends do not take advantage of you.  Friends do not play you by emotionally abusing you and accusing you of not loving God if you don't come and worship them by doing things for them that they can and should do for themselves!  Manipulators do that.  Despisers do that.  Let's get the facts straight!


kekel and davis are manipulators and despisers!  They only pretend to be your friend long enough to get what they want from you.  Then they despise you (literally set you at nought) and throw you away like a used diaper wipe.  Fact.

If the cash stops flowing, they will send an "Overseer" to find out why and get the cash rolling again, even if that means replacing you. 

When was the last time kekel or davis called you just to chat as friends?  When was the last time they helped you change the oil in your car?  Have they called and wished you a Happy Birthday or Happy Anniversary?  Do they even know what city you live in or where you have been working for them?  All they know is if the cash stops flowing, they will send an "Overseer" to find out why and get the cash rolling again, even if that means replacing you.  Facts.


Who is sowing discord?  kekel and davis sow discord between husbands and wives as they separate married couples by driving the wedge of cult-imposed sterility through their vasectomy 'policy' [rule] and devil-inspired man-made lie that they teach, claiming that "children hinder the work of GAWD."

kekel and davis sow discord and separate married couples by driving the wedge of cult-imposed sterility through ntcc's vasectomy rule... claiming "children hinder the work of GAWD" even though the man who taught that adopted a daughter...

creeping amoung you, ostensibly as your friends tanya kekel and verna davis will call your wife while you are out earning the money that pays them to make that call.  As you sweat and labor, they are whispering in your wife's ear that she should leave you to marry a "real man of God"....  


davis and kekel are promoting cult-endorsed adultery, encouraging your spouse to leave you and get a divorce for non-biblical reasons!  They want to make your spouse and the next person who marries your spouse adulterers; as the Bible clearly teaches that people who obtain divorce for reasons other than fornication and remarry are adulterers.  I did not write the  Bible.  You know that is what it says.

Leaving ntcc does not automatically make one an unbeliever!

Well what about the verse about "if the unbelieving depart the brother or sister is not under bondage"... True.  But leaving ntcc does not automatically make one an unbeliever.  Nor does it give the remaining ntcc spouse a green-light to remarry within the ntcc.  Face it folks, ntcc is not God.  Leaving ntcc does not equal leaving God.  Or it should not.  In fact, many find a much sweeter and closer walk with the Lord after getting rid of the ntcc false doctrines of devils.  

ntcc is not God.  Leaving ntcc does not equal leaving God!  Or it should not...

Furthermore verna davis and tanya kekel should never counsel you on who to marry or divorce.  There is no scriptural basis for that. I've never read in the bible of one person asking Paul the Apostle who they could talk to, date, or marry.  The bible never records one instance where Peter the Apostle told a single man he could not talk to a single woman; because she was going to bible school; and he was still in the Army.  


The fact that davis and kekel even get involved in these matters makes me think they are busy-bodies!  They have too much time on their hands; because you and your wife do all their work for them.   They limit whom you can and can't date by making rules about who talks to whom. They are match-making.  And when one spouse realizes what a farce the ntcc is, ntcc then starts to drive in those vasectomy and divorce wedges???!!!

They limit whom you can and can't date by making rules about who talks to whom. They are match-making!

And davis sows discord amoungst fellow building crew members to see who he can use the most, making fun of Russ Mears, saying, "That man has all the fire of a fire-fly."  Using this cheap-shot behind Russ's back to see who [Dustin Smart] is the most ambitious and willing to throw a friend under the bus by laughing at this comment in order to suck-up to davis.  Facts.  
  
Face it people, you are being played as fools every day you stay and pay your tribute to davis and kekel.  Friends don't talk bad about you.  Friends spend time with you.  Friends reciprocate.  And friends will tell you the hard cold facts and let you think about it.

• Friends don't talk bad about you.
• Friends spend time with you.
• Friends reciprocate.  
• And friends will tell you the hard cold facts and let you think about it.

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Originally posted with the audio and lyrics to "You Raise Me Up" by Josh Groban, the audio had to be changed due to copyright issues.  The lyrics remain on screen for "You Raise Me Up" (Groban); but the instrumental is a piano piece called "Rain" by Dax Johnson.

mike kekel Gone Country? Dog Show or Bluegrass / Winterfest

kekel said,

"Many years ago when our son was small, we took him to Frontier Park in Graham, WA. We noticed a dog show going on nearby, so we wandered over to watch. After a few minutes of witnessing the interaction of the people with their pets, it became clear to me that it was time to leave. I was uncomfortable and troubled in my spirit by the atmosphere.

Another time a few years ago we went to an annual event in Tacoma called Wintergrass; basically one hour acoustic music lessons/workshops taught by professionals. Iʼve played guitar since 1966 and Iʼm always trying to improve, so it was an absolute treat for me to listen to these pros play and teach. Later in the evening when things started jumping, and started to get crazy, we looked at each other and said something like, “letʼs get out of here!” These are just 2 examples of many kinds of situations that we as Christians may find ourselves in and no one can hit the brakes but us! Here’s another scenario; Restaurants that serve alcohol. If you refuse to eat at such places, youʼre left with McDonalds and the BK; but the environment is quite different on Tuesday afternoon than it is on Friday or Saturday evening when the crowd is rockinʼ and prowlinʼ. So then, is it the PRESENCE of alcohol, or the activities INVOLVING it that is wrong? For that matter, alcohol is present at the supermarket, but walking near it should not be a temptation for a Christian. If there is no lust (desire) for it in your heart, there should be no temptation (James 1:14-15)- “But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.” Even if you WERE tempted by it, you still have a brake pedal beneath your foot. Use it! If a certain place put you in a position to be tempted, then you should avoid even going there."

Don and Ange say,

This clearly illustrates the warped thinking of mike kekel and the cultish teachings of the ntcc. Come on, the leisurely walk through the park and stumbling into a wicked dog show?  A dog show is such a terrible atmosphere to have to endure?  I bet it really vexed your spirit. Maybe it was the fact that the dogs were not wearing modest apparel?  Or one of them committed an indecent act in public? I know what it was. It must have been the dog owners dripping with pride?  Or maybe the dogs were proud?

When I read this, I almost fell out of my chair laughing. It brought back so many ntcc memories. I thought of disclaimers that we used to use at ntcc. 

"I was walking through the barracks and stumbled across a tv; and there just happened to be some sinful event on there; and I felt convicted for even watching 30 seconds of it."

kekel said, "we noticed a dog show and wandered over to watch".

If kekel got convicted I would imagine that the conviction he was experiencing had something to do with the double standards that ntcc has been preaching for years and years.  Maybe he realized what a hypocrite he is for going to a Bluegrass Music Festival after years of teaching that all such  music is "worldly".

Maybe he just got done telling the bible school students that if their toenails where hanging over the threshold of their doorstep at 10:00:01pm they would be breaking curfew and would forfeit their semester; and ntcc would keep all the proceeds so that the kekel kid could purchase a new football uniform for his extracurricular sporting event that nobody else in the history of ntcc ever got to participate in without getting raked over the coals for wearing lascivious tight clothes and playing sports that could take them away from the work of the borg, oops, lawd.

That might bring a little conviction; but I bet he stayed there a few more minutes and pondered over all the members that were told they couldn't have dogs or that cats were of the devil. That must have brought a lot of conviction. But I bet he lingered a little longer. It wasn't until he reflected back on the time that his father-in law davis had a certain preacher, elliot f. gesang, execute certain German Shepherds named Wendy and Lion by taking them out in the woods and shooting them; since davis and kekel were not being responsible pet owners and didn't want to build fences big enough to properly contain their dogs.

Or maybe kekel remembered that time his father-in-law had a certain preacher take an axe and chop off the heads of a litter of  puppies (read more>>). I also would be convicted if I were at a dog show and belonged to an organization like ntcc that has no respect for the sanctity of the life of a defenseless dog.

If you are cruel to animals, you also will be cruel to people. It's a statistical fact that a lot of murderers start out by hacking up dogs and cats and other animals "to see what it feels like to kill something". They learn to develop a lust for blood. I'm not saying that kekel or davis have murdered people, at least not physically (that we know of), but what about spiritually?

Can a preacher be cruel enough to a person by blasting them publicly and rebuking them openly on something that has no scriptural basis to make them commit spiritual suicide? What is it that causes a person to walk away from God? Is it always their desire to go back into sin? Do we take the same amount of care with a person's spiritual health as we do with their physical health?

When they wrongfully accuse those whose souls they have been entrusted to watch over, and instead gang-up on them when they should be the ones that demonstrate love, is there any culpability or accountability to restore those souls as brothers or sisters? I've seen people trampled on and cast out of churches for disagreeing with the highly esteemed so-called pastors of the ntcc over issues that the ntcc taught as gospel but were not backed up by scripture; what happened next was that this innocent questioning or disagreement was used to spiritually separate young tender church members from the only source of reality in God that they ever knew.

For some reason it was important for kekel to point out that this stroll through the park took place "many years ago when their son was small". This is a psychological disclaimer; that was used as a defense mechanism for something that kekel thought was wrong. The point is that if the place that he went was so bad he should have never gone in the first place.

I remember one time I bought a boat and restored it and parked it by the servicemen's home. I didn't feel any conviction until a certain overseer was scheduled to come by. I just knew that my fields were going to get plowed. Being a member of ntcc and having a boat is just asking for hot coals to be heaped on your back and searing flames licking at your heels. After all, how can you be a Christian and have time for a boat? Was I convicted by the Holy Ghost for having this boat? Or perhaps was there a certain precedent that had been set at the ntcc about doing things that are fun? Whatever the case may be, when the overseer came by I made it a point to explain that I had purchased the boat to fix it up and make money by selling it so that I wouldn't get plowed. Here I was, making up lies, which is a sin, to cover up doing something that is not a sin. No wonder I was so "convicted". Perhaps if I were a member of a normal church, I would never of felt guilty for having a boat and would have never made up a lie about it.

Next we find kekel telling us about his trip to Winterfest. This time we have no disclaimer before he told us that he went because there must have been no conviction to go in the first place. But the psychological disclaimer came afterwards as another defense mechanism, "Iʼve played guitar since 1966 and Iʼm always trying to improve, so it was an absolute treat for me to listen to these pros play and teach." He doesn't even realize that he is making excuses for his behavior.

Now here we have the CEO of ntcc feeling convicted by being at a dog show within a few minutes of being there; but he can sit at a bluegrass festival for an entire hour before being convicted??  I personally don't think that either activity is a sin in itself, unless, like kekel, you preach double standards. However, if you look at the teachings of ntcc, and if you compare a bluegrass festival to a dog show, I would have to think that a bluegrass festival would be more of a sin than a dog show.

I do think that if it were common knowledge that a bible school  student were participating in events like that, there would be unreasonable spiritual retribution toward that individual. They might not come out and say that it was a sin to attend an event like that, although they have in the past; but what they would more than likely say is that souls are dying and going to hell and here you are wasting time at a worldly music festival.  Same exact thing. Same effect. Same judgmental double standards. It's okay for the elitists in the ntcc to basically do whatever they want; but when it comes to the least of God's children, it's a sinful event.

Why are we so hard on the ntcc?  Because the leadership should  set a good example of what they expect others to do.  But instead the ntcc leaders break the rules they have created and do the exact opposite of what they expect otherss to do.  They say and do not.  Hypocrites.

Mathew 23:4 "They bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; and they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers".

If you are preaching strict adherence to a set of values to the least of the brethren, then you better live by it yourself; or you are a HYPOCRITE. Don't you borg 'leaders' feel the least bit guilty about the double standards and hypocrisy that is rampant throughout the ntcc? You should. kekel, you don't need to learn how to use the brake pedal in your spiritual car, you need to learn how to use the steering wheel. If you would have turned your steering wheel in your sin-mobile a little to the left or to the right, you wouldn't have created so much fodder for us to write about. You should step down from your lofty position and turn it over to someone who lives what they preach, loves God and does not ADD TO or TAKE AWAY FROM the Word of God. Until next time, we are the X-ers and we stand united.

GO HANG YOURSELF ERIC J. BARDEN or UNITED WE STAND

Eric J. Barden

This page is a tribute to

Eric James Barden EJB

Apr. 2nd, 1962 ~ Dec. 7th, 2008

While at the NTCC National Campground one year, Eric and I had a rare opportunity to see a Snowy Egret. This beautiful bird landed at the western edge of the camp's lower lake which was partially shrouded in the foggy mist that rises from water in the autumn as the ambient air cools to temps below the water temperature. It was a special treat to see such a glorious creature on the camp; and Eric and I both treasured the event. The song below seems perfect for reflection on Eric, his life, and the things he cherished.

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Fare Thee Well ~ 10,000 Miles

by Mary Chapin Carpenter

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Fare Thee Well by Mary Chapin Carpenter 10,000 Miles Lyrics

Fare thee well

My own true love

Farewell for a while

I'm going away

But Ill be back

Though I go 10,000 miles

10,000 miles

My own true love

10,000 miles or more

The rocks may melt

And the seas may burn

If I should not return

Oh don't you see

That lonesome dove

Sitting on an ivy tree

She's weeping for

Her own true love

As I shall weep for mine

Oh come ye back

My own true love

And stay a while with me

If I had a friend

All on this earth

You've been a friend to me.

Obituary:
Eric James Barden (EJB)

Eric J. Barden, age 46, of Stevens Point, passed away on Sunday, December 7, 2008, in Wausau. He was born on April 2, 1962 in Rhinelander to Erwin and Bernice (Maciejewski) Barden.

Eric graduated from Rhinelander High School in 1980. He attended Gogebic Community College for two years before entering the United States Army. He married his wife, Marilynn (Armstrong) on August 30, 2008 in Rhinelander. In his spare time, Eric enjoyed scuba-diving.

Eric is survived by his wife, Mari, his father, Erwin (Susan) Barden, of Pipe Creek, Texas; his step-son, Jason (Jen) Masch of Mauston; his brother, Keith Barden of Harshaw; his sister, Cindy (Rick) Weyenberg, of Hortonville; and his grandchildren, Jema, Holden, and Dakota. He was preceded in death by his mother, Bernice.

A Memorial Service for Eric will be held on Sunday, December 14, 2008 at 1:30 P.M. at Our Savior's Lutheran Church in Bundy with Pastor Al Montgomery officiating. Visitation will be held at the church from 1:00 P.M. until the time of services. Inurnment will be in Union Grove Cemetery at a later date. A memorial has been established in Eric's name and contributions may be directed to the family. Hildebrand-Russ Funeral Home, 715-365-4343, is assisting the family with arrangements and all are invited to share memories of Eric on-line at hildebrandfh.com.

Eric was also a minister in the New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc., faithfully serving that organization for over 13 years.  During that time he married Angela. Below she shares about the events that led up to Eric's decision to leave the NTCC.

And the king lamented over Abner, and said, Died Abner as a fool dieth?

Thy hands [were] not bound, nor thy feet put into fetters: as a man falleth before wicked men, [so] fellest thou. ...

2 Samuel 3:33-34

GO HANG YOURSELF, ERIC J. BARDEN

Following is the true story of events leading up to Eric's leaving the New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. If you knew Eric as I, his wife of 8 years did, you would know what a difficult and painful decision this was for him. But rodger wilson davis' callous treatment of Eric, refusing to provide safety equipment for him or let him work on a different project than a steep roof, despite Eric's 13+ years of faithful service to the NTCC was too much for him, so he left. Here is what happened:

In the past ntcc has successfully runoff various people by cutting them out one at a time and sending them packing. The ntcc knows that one person alone is less of a threat to their money-making empire than a whole group of people who demand to know where does the money go and what do the so-called leaders really do all day.

How davis saw you!

When Eric Barden struggled with working on a roof because he had no safety gear -- something the law requires the ntcc employer to supply -- davis told Eric, in effect, to go hang himself. davis had russ mears, Eric's friend and building crew foreman deliver the message to "tie a rope on" and george keener added "yeah, put it around your neck!"

Safety Gear

Each building crew member was put at risk that day to be forced to work without safety gear or "to go hang yourself".  davis won a dirty battle by singling out one person and forcing them to choose to do it his way or hit the highway.


The sad fact is that Eric was run off because he expected ntcc to pay for safety gear as the law requires of employers.

The dirty fact is that rodger w. davis was trying to force Eric into buying the safety gear from Eric's measly ntcc wages. [More on that scam later.]

For weeks Eric had worked on getting the ntcc building crew in Washington to send safety gear to the Missouri ntcc Campground. He wanted the building crew members there to be able to work safely without falling off the steeply pitched roof of the two-story-plus-high, hotel-style building that they were erecting for ntcc next to the main conference building (tabernacle) at the camp. Eric's persistence paid off, in part. His continual calls convinced the borg to send two small safety harnesses for a project that had four men working on it. So the two skinny, younger men, dustin smart and russ mears, got their safety equipment thanks to Eric's conscientious effort.  george  'dad' keener, being much older, was expected to work from the ground and would not need a harness. But Eric, who was not a small man, was not going to benefit from his labor [a pretty common theme for the workers in the ntcc, a multi-million dollar real estate corporation masquerading as a non-profit church]. There was no way either of the small harnesses would fit him or protect him.

So, the night before going up on that steep roof, Eric called rodger w. davis to plead one more time for safety gear, or the opportunity to work on another project. As usual, davis refused to answer the request at that time. [People in the ntcc and some reporters who have tried to speak with the ntcc leadership know that stonewalling or refusing to answer legitimate questions is a common stall and divert tactic employed by the borg 'leaders' and their cronies.]

The next morning russ mears had instructions from davis to tell Eric to "Tie a rope on!"

Those were the general's orders!

Though he was too much of a wimp to deliver the message himself! Instead davis decided to see if russ mears would still be loyal to rdub, even if it meant burning his long-time friend, Eric. Well, now we know the rest of the story. mears delivered the message, plunging the knife in and george keener gave it a twist, adding "Yeah, put it around your neck!" Does that sound like the love of God to you readers? I didn't think so either.

Eric worked that day, and was forced to risk injury and death because davis refuses to spend one penny on anyone but himself! What a selfish hypocrite davis is. He can demand that the ntcc buy him a new Cadillac every year; or when the odometer reaches 50,000 miles (whichever comes first); but don't you dare ask him to dip into the multi-million dollar coffers of the ntcc to buy safety gear. davis wants you to buy it yourself. Or, "If you don't like it... "Tie a rope on." and "Yeah, put it around your neck!"

People in ntcc should band together to give davis and his a strong message that mistreating one person is the same as mistreating them all.

People should band together and force ntcc to change or force ntcc to go on without them.

Divided people are conquered.  United people stand and win freedom.

What r w davis did to Eric James Barden was illegal! 

He got away with it and other atrocities because others stood by and allowed their friend to suffer without anyone standing to help.

When we choose to do nothing to help, we are becoming a partaker in the sins of those who are hurting our brothers and sisters.

Think about it. Think about what davis, and kekel and those who run ntcc really represent. Think about their selfish lifestyles and large incomes and mansions and compare it to the lives of sacrifice lived by the many brothers and sisters around you and ask yourself: What is really going on here? Why are you helping the rich get richer?? while brothers and sisters who work faithfully every day go without basic necessities so davis and his can satisfy their lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh, and pride of life.

Will you continue to abandon hurting brothers and sisters and those who stand up against the evil? Or will you stand up for Jesus and the Christian way and do something to send the message to ntcc that hurting "the least of these" is the same as hurting Christ?

And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me. Matthew 25:40

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It is your choice.  Remember:

UNITED WE STAND

Don and Ange said...

Who says ntcc should provide safety gear for workers whose ultimate boss is r w davis?

Well, the law of the land does.

OSHA inspectors enforcing laws.

But ultimately the real authority comes from God who specifically instructed us about this very thing in the scripture:

When thou buildest a new house, then thou shalt make a battlement for thy roof, that thou bring not blood upon thine house, if any man fall from thence. Deuteronomy 22:8

THIS IS THE DAY THE LORD HATH MADE

In the middle of July, 1991, Eric asked me to marry him.

I remember praying that God would allow R. W. Davis to perform the marriage for us.

He did.

Psalm 118:24

Was the theme of our wedding:

This [is] the day [which] the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.

Over the years (and still today) I would learn the significance of this verse.

Praise God Who sees the end from the beginning!

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