Following is a comment made by Veronica Medina, former ntcc missionary to Puerto Rico, ntcc bible school / seminary instructor, and ntcc minister. This comment appeared on The Dispatch, a Washington state online newspaper that ran a series of 5 articles about the NTCC by reporter Bruce Smith.
http://dispatchnews.com/main.asp?TypeID=1&ArticleID=2569&SectionID=6&SubSectionID=6&Page=12 (Article no longer appears in The Dispatch archives.) Here's Veronica's comment:
Posted: Thursday, April 08, 2010
Article comment by: Veronica Medina
Hi Bruce,
My name is Veronica Medina. I attended NTCC from 1971 to 1985. My husband and I always used our own money to move where ever RW Davis thought we should minister. Our last move was to Puerto Rico. We were led to believe that the organization would support us as missionaries there. We sold everything we had, packed up our 2 very young children and went there with great hope. After we paid our own airplane fare there and spent all the money we had to get established, we asked and did get money from NTCC to take care of some deposits needed. It was around $700. Little did I know that there would be no more money. It came to the point where "we had no money", not even enough to feed our children. I will never forget my sorrow when we attended a church down the street and my son who was 5 years old, was brought to me from Children's Church because he had the "dry heaves". You see, he had no food in his stomach to vomit. To make a long story short, my husband got a job working for $25 a day. We ended up getting (and I am ashamed to say it) on welfare. I admit I didn't tell NTCC that part because I knew we would have to pay "tithes" on that money, but we needed it desperately. My husband and I both got very ill while in Puerto Rico and as a result did not have money for rent. I wrote to the leadership in NTCC explaining our plight. Did they respond? Oh yes, with a $100 LOAN. That was the last straw. We resigned and wanted nothing more to do with them. By the way, the explanation given to everyone was "the Medina's left for filthy lucre". I need to tell you, at the time I thought we were a single incident of their cruelty. But I have since learned that this is a pattern for them. They have no conscious when it comes to their ministers and missionaries. My story is just one story out of many.
By the way - life only got better after we left.
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Saturday, December 25, 2010
Veronica Medina's Testimony of Life as an Impoverished NTCC Missionary
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Saturday, December 18, 2010
Should We Be Afraid?
Super Piety In the ntcc holiness is a badge of honor. "LOOK WHAT MAKES US DIFFERENT FROM THOSE WICKED SINNERS". |
In the ntcc we were very legalistic. This is a word that I once thought was used only by God haters and reprobates but have since seen the true meaning behind the word. The Wikipedia definition below accurately describes legalism that is practiced by cults and becomes destructive to all that subscribe to it.
Legalism, in Christian theology, is a sometimes-pejorative term referring to an over-emphasis on discipline of conduct, or legal ideas, usually implying an allegation of misguided rigour, pride, superficiality, the neglect of mercy, and ignorance of the grace of God or emphasizing the letter of law over the spirit. Legalism is alleged against any view that obedience to law, not faith in God's grace, is the pre-eminent principle of redemption. Its opposite is antinomianism, which is the alleged view that believing in Jesus Christ is the only requirement for receiving eternal life.
While in the ntcc all of the sins and standards were emphasized much more than the Grace of God. People were kept in their places by the warnings of hell rather than being allowed to grow in God's grace and to serve God out of love. While Jesus did speak about hell it was mostly to the pharisees and hypocrites. To sinner's, his followers and his disciples, Jesus spake less about specific sins or hell and condemnation then he did to the hypocrites. Why are there very few if any references to Jesus preaching "holiness or hell" to his followers? I would have to say that holiness is not a prerequisite to being saved. In the ntcc holiness is a badge of honor. "LOOK WHAT MAKES US DIFFERENT FROM THOSE WICKED SINNERS". In all of the apostles' teachings and admonishments we never hear hell used as an alternative for those who don't follow their man-made policies. There are lots of teachings concerning holiness but never is there a threat that comes along with those teachings that you will go to hell for all eternity if you do not live by these teachings. In the ntcc we have "super apostles that know much more than the bible teaches and have added policies and new sins to the bible:
If you date someone you love without the approval of the super spiritual orator of the church you are living in sin. While in the past we have seen fondling and child molestation take place in the highest places in the ntcc, is this really God?
Facial hair on a man is wrong for what reason or reasons? I must be very rebellious because I purposely grow facial hair.
You are not capable of deciding who your own friends should be and who you can have over to your house because that is a decision that only a super apostle can make for you. If you are so flaky that you need someone to decide this for you, than you might just belong to a cult.
If you love God, you will do things for the pastor of your church, like clean his house, shine his shoes, wash his car, mow his lawn, etc. I submit to you that if your pastor loves you, he will be a servant of all and do those things for you.
Each church will extract as much money as possible out of its members' wallets and pocket books because large amounts of money are required to support the lavish lifestyles of the super god-like apostles in Graham that live in an entirely different world than all of their loyal subjects.
When there is no biblical justification for the rules or consequences that are preached in the ntcc they resort to the "end all, know all" scripture that is constantly being referred to over and over in the ntcc:
Hebrews 13:17 "Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your soul, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you." I've seen this used to their advantage more than for the good of the church member. What a great chapter to read and to take in context. I will never advocate that you should disobey your pastor if he is leading you in the truth; but if the dude is making up his own rules and threatening you with hell as a consequence of disobeying him, you might just be in a cult and would be served well by getting yourself and your friends and anyone who will listen to you out of there quickly.
Should we be afraid of these people and the doctrine they tried to ram down our throats? I would say absolutely not. We believe that they should be scared. There are many X-members of the ntcc that are so afraid to speak out against them; and I can understand that. But I will say this to those souls that are afraid. Do you think that they care for you? If you came back to them, do you think it would be a prodigal son moment? I know when I came back to God it was, but I would not even want to think about what it would have been like if I would have attempted to return to an ntcc church. Let's look at them for what they are. If they are right, than we need to take quite a few scriptures out of the bible and throw them away. If they are wrong, then we need to realize that and stop being afraid of them.
I am not advocating that informing current members of the ntcc that they are in a cult is going to help them. It wouldn't have helped me. But I do think that standing up for what we believe in and not being afraid to disagree with the false teachings of the ntcc is a step in the right direction. If we live in fear of the ntcc, it will not help anyone but them. They want us to live in fear. They don't want us to post things that bring attention to their corruption and would love nothing more than for us to go away. We will bring attention to their evil ways over and over and over again because they have built their kingdom upon the souls that they have discarded and they prosper because of the thousands that are no longer with them. Have they sought us out one by one to get us back? No. Neither will they. They don't want us back because we have been used up. They want new blood that has many more years of life that can be shaped and formed into what best serves them.
We are X-ers and we feel it is our moral responsibility to bring to light what the ntcc wants to keep in darkness. We will continue to shine the light into the abyss of the ntcc and maybe others will see the light and escape. From thirteen years of experience written by an ex cult member we continue to warn and admonish current and ex cult members to escape for your lives while you still can. There is life outside of the ntcc; and we are are determined to live it.
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Friday, December 10, 2010
kekel, kekel, child molester!
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Some time ago a former ntcc minister, Vic Johanson, shared on a public blog how mike kekel had molested a 14-16 year old girl kekel was dating when kekel was 23-25 years old.
In a normal environment kekel's boasting would have earned him a mug shot and life-long registration on the sex-offenders' registry.
But in the New Testament Christian Church, kekel was promoted to Chief Executive Officer and President of the Orgnization, New Testament Christian Churches of America, Incorporated.
The groped girl's father was well aware of this incident and rather than reprove the action and defend his daughter from such abhorrent behavior, sanctioned this behavior. In our opinion that is so perverse.
Christians should protect their little girls from wolves, not throw them to them!
**Please Note How One Man Sought To Protect His 15 Year Old Daughter**:
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To be clear, we are not advocating violence. It would have been better for the father to call the police; and allow them to handle this. But, most normal men would respond strongly against any adult man making the moves on his 15 year old daughter. **Normal Men**
Vic Johanson's testimony follows. Note how he was disgusted with kekel's lack of remorse for his illegal behavior. Impenitent kekel was boasting of it and making a declaration he would not repent!
Why would such a person as mike kekel be promoted in the ntcc unless their leader, r. w. davis, the groped-girl's father, was the same type of wolf, preying on innocent victims as some have alleged.
Why would anyone stay and be part of such an orgainization that condones and promotes such child molesting predators?
The Bible admonishes us against these type of reprobates stating:
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. (Romans 1:32)
Not saying such an act constitutes an automatic death sentence. But that davis seems to have taken pleasure in kekel's molestation, promoting him to be ntcc's CEO.
In a comment on a previous discussion of this topic,
Vic Johanson said:
"I reiterate: Mike Kekel, my old BS roommate, did boast to me and another brother that he was regularly making out with Tanya while he dated her. If it didn't happen, he's a liar, because he waxed rhapsodic about the powerful physical sensations that coursed through his body during these sessions.
As I have previously stated, the fact that he succumbed to this temptation was understandable, but what I and the other brother (who did go to RW about the situation--to no avail) found shocking was the absolute lack of any kind of conviction, and the vehement declaration that he had no intention of desisting, despite our remonstrations to him that such activity was inconsistent with the role of 'holiness preacher.' He was right in our face about it, and the other brother felt so guilty he narked him out. But nothing happened; there was some anonymous wrist slapping from the pulpit about not playing footsies under the table, blah blah blah, and the status quo endured.
One inaccuracy in your description, though: he wasn't a board member at the time, but a BS student. But the skids were being greased." -- Vic Johanson
Sadly the "other brother" who went to r w davis to report this matter has stayed with the ntcc. Why?
Would you let a 23-24 year old man grope your 14-15 year old daughter? How would you respond?
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Friday, December 3, 2010
Why Delete The Truth?
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Don and Ange said...
Greg, we are glad you don't have time right now to delete Kris's comments.
Kris wrote such good comments with real insight to how ntcc operates based solely on his personal experience and growing knowledge of the bible. It seems counterproductive to remove these true stories.
We wonder if Kris has left the ntcc only physically, but is still held captive by the ntcc spiritually.
ntcc uses fear to control people. ntcc even twists a natural fear or reverence of God into an unnatural fearful spirit that makes people do strange things. People are too afraid of God; we wonder if that is the case here too.
God did instruct not to touch His anointed; yet God also records instances of His anointed being corrected and even rebuked.
The bible admonishes us to study the word so we can rightly divide the word of truth.
God never intended our reverence of Him to cause us to hide hypocrisy. Jesus clearly openly rebuked the hypocrites, warning them of impending judgment.
We don't need to fear eXposing ntcc's rampant hypocrisy, and double standards, and blatant sin. We should see it as our duty to sound the trumpet to warn others of the ntcc's false doctrines just as the apostles clearly warned Christians of false teachers; writing letters that are now the books of the new testament. They constantly detailed the differences between real Christianity and hypocrisy. There is no shame in the truth and no need to delete or hide our comments or articles based on real life experiences and knowledge of the truth.
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Tuesday, November 23, 2010
ASSIMILATION
This first video, taken from excerpts of Star Trek, explains why The Borg considers The Collective Consciousness to be better than individuality:
" So much like the borg, the ntcc also creates drones that serve one purpose and one purpose only: to build an empire. "
"The ntcc is not building a church where people love God and serve Him freely. The ntcc is building a financial empire where people are expected to give every drop of sweat and every dime they have so that the elite few ntcc 'leaders' in Washington State can benefit [$$$]."
Borg Assimilation:
The Borg were a species of drones that were made up of mechanical and organic parts. When a person or persons came in contact with the Borg and were thought to be 'worthy' of assimilation, the Borg would assimilate them by injecting into the victims' blood stream nano-probes; which would attach themselves to the victims' red blood cells. These nano-probes, in turn, would continue to replicate and construct mechanical parts within the victims' bodies; that would cause them to be controlled by the collective consciousness of the Borg. The victims would then be assessed to determine if their "biological" or "technological distinctiveness" were 'worthy' to be added to The Collective's 'perfection'.
The Borg were a species of drones that were made up of mechanical and organic parts. When a person or persons came in contact with the Borg and were thought to be 'worthy' of assimilation, the Borg would assimilate them by injecting into the victims' blood stream nano-probes; which would attach themselves to the victims' red blood cells. These nano-probes, in turn, would continue to replicate and construct mechanical parts within the victims' bodies; that would cause them to be controlled by the collective consciousness of the Borg. The victims would then be assessed to determine if their "biological" or "technological distinctiveness" were 'worthy' to be added to The Collective's 'perfection'.
The Collective considered the victims' will in the matter to be irrelevant.
The Borg would first identify themselves by saying, "We are the Borg". Then they would tell the victims that they were to be assimilated and also remind them that their situation was hopeless by making statements like:
- "Existence as you know it is over."
- "Resistance is futile."
- "We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own."
Once assimilation took place the victim would turn into a machine with a mind that was controlled by the collective consciousness of the Borg. This individual who had been transformed into a drone would then be driven to assimilate others ['soul-win'] into the collective in the same manner. This process would take place without mercy over and over again until an entire species was added to the Borg collective.
Cult Controls:
A close parallel can be drawn between many elements of this assimilation process and many of the techniques and tactics used by the cult we refer to as ntcc. One distinction that we will make is that people are not taken against their own will; rather they are lied to and shown a future of "Gawd blessing them" with "wisdom" and "financial security" after they have willingly submitted, not to God, but to the desires of the collective consciousness of the ntcc. Fear is then instilled in these members as the Borg leaders scream at the top of their lungs about the consequences of leaving ntcc, painting the dire picture that hell is the only alternative for those who leave the cult.
Breaking Your Will:
When this assimilation is accomplished, victims also become totally controlled and manipulated by the leadership of the ntcc. The first thing the ntcc 'leaders' go after is your will. Your will must be completely broken down before you can be added to the collective. They can not accomplish their objectives in your life unless you completely succumb to their will and follow their teachings without question or forethought.
'Subjection' Means The Borg Has Full Control:
This systematic breakdown of the individual which is assimilation can take place quickly in some cases depending on a person's background. A person that has been abused all of his or her life and is shown this wonderful future of eternal tranquility will often surrender quickly; because all of the sudden they are made to feel important and part of something fantastic. Others need to be openly rebuked and humiliated in public in order to 'bring themselves into subjection'. Ahem.
'Subjection' Means The Borg Has Full Control:
This systematic breakdown of the individual which is assimilation can take place quickly in some cases depending on a person's background. A person that has been abused all of his or her life and is shown this wonderful future of eternal tranquility will often surrender quickly; because all of the sudden they are made to feel important and part of something fantastic. Others need to be openly rebuked and humiliated in public in order to 'bring themselves into subjection'. Ahem.
Control of Finances:
After your will is broken then the ntcc goes after your pocketbook. In order for them to exist they need your finances. Not only do they want your money, but they don't want you to have any to spend on yourself. This is a very important step in assimilation into the ntcc. This will make or break you as a "Christian". In the ntcc if you pay tithe, you are saved; if you don't, then, according to ntcc:
ntcc Money Grubbing:
I remember many instances in which 'pastors' [hirelings] would come to me and ask me how much money an E-4 or an E-5 earned in the Army. Or these 'pastors' [hirelings] would even cut out the pay-scale from the back of The Army Times to make sure that each soldier was paying every penny expected of them! In ntcc the emphasis placed on tithe was many times equal-to or greater-than the importance of the blood of Jesus in a person's life. According to ntcc twisted theology, you could not have one without the other.
"You need to get saved!"
ntcc Money Grubbing:
I remember many instances in which 'pastors' [hirelings] would come to me and ask me how much money an E-4 or an E-5 earned in the Army. Or these 'pastors' [hirelings] would even cut out the pay-scale from the back of The Army Times to make sure that each soldier was paying every penny expected of them! In ntcc the emphasis placed on tithe was many times equal-to or greater-than the importance of the blood of Jesus in a person's life. According to ntcc twisted theology, you could not have one without the other.
In ntcc "All Christians pay tithes and give in offerings!" This was required to be announced in each of six mandatory services per week. If you did not pay tithe, then according to the ntcc:
"You need to get saved!"
Loss Of Individuality:
Once the ntcc has broken your will and taken your money, the ntcc begins to strip you of every bit of individuality that you have ever had. Not only do they not pay you, but they don't pay you to think. You are expected to obey every extra-biblical man-made rule without question, even if it contradicts God's Word!
You have to dress the way they want. You must conform or you will be shown the door. That means no make-up for you ladies. And you must wear only dresses or skirts. Men, shave those whiskers, or be thought a reprobate. Put on those suits; but don't even think about a double breasted suit. That means you have a double heart. And when you are in a suit, you men may only wear a white shirt. Anything else might clash or be a sign of Pride. Shoes must be Wingtips. Ties must match your socks. Never wear blue with brown. Souls are dying and going to hell.
Causing Confusion:
In the ntcc many times you are literally damned if you do and damned if you don't. I know this sounds like cursing but damnation is a huge part of what ntcc uses to keep its members living in fear and complete subjection. One favorite battle cry of the ntcc founder was "If you don't like it, there's the door. I was here first. I'll be here after you're gone." And you know what happens to anyone who leaves the Borg, right? Hell. Reprobation. (According to ntcc.) Damned if you do; damned if you don't. And the rules keep changing.
Shifting Doctrine:
I'm going to get very plain here and introduce a subject that many consider to be perverse and disgusting; but it is real and illustrates this point. I can not count the times that I've heard members and the leadership of the ntcc talk about masturbation. I've heard preachers and members joke about it and condemn it. I've heard ntcc pastors that were married say that they masturbate. [Why?] And I've heard ntcc pastors preach to single brothers that masturbation is a sin.
If you were to ask the question you would be blasted; but if you were to be guilty of 'doing it' you would also be blasted. This in itself illustrates how much control the ntcc has over people.
Sex In The ntcc:
Why is this even relevant in the ntcc? Is it realistic to think that the ntcc would control what a person does in private? Or that ntcc would manipulate a person's sex life? Well, ntcc does! I know single brothers in the ntcc that have been involved with the ntcc for twenty years; but because these men allegedly "are not bible school material" they are living in celibacy against their own will. And the ntcc has convinced these poor men to blame themselves or think that God is not blessing them. But the reality is that ntcc has rules in place forbidding men from marrying any woman 'who does not attend ntcc faithfully'. That means she has to conform to all the ntcc dress codes and pay tithe and give in offerings and attend church each time the doors are open. Needless to say, many ntcc men are forced to remain single due to the ntcc forbidding to marry.
These examples of the shifting doctrine on masturbation and the forced celibacy illustrate the degree of control ntcc has in a person's life. It is not pretty what the ntcc does to people in exchange for their unwavering loyalty. The question can also be asked on many other topics: "Where does the ntcc stand on this issue or that issue?" In many cases the ntcc straddles the fence, causing confusion, guilt, and unnecessary hardships.
You have to dress the way they want. You must conform or you will be shown the door. That means no make-up for you ladies. And you must wear only dresses or skirts. Men, shave those whiskers, or be thought a reprobate. Put on those suits; but don't even think about a double breasted suit. That means you have a double heart. And when you are in a suit, you men may only wear a white shirt. Anything else might clash or be a sign of Pride. Shoes must be Wingtips. Ties must match your socks. Never wear blue with brown. Souls are dying and going to hell.
Causing Confusion:
In the ntcc many times you are literally damned if you do and damned if you don't. I know this sounds like cursing but damnation is a huge part of what ntcc uses to keep its members living in fear and complete subjection. One favorite battle cry of the ntcc founder was "If you don't like it, there's the door. I was here first. I'll be here after you're gone." And you know what happens to anyone who leaves the Borg, right? Hell. Reprobation. (According to ntcc.) Damned if you do; damned if you don't. And the rules keep changing.
Shifting Doctrine:
I'm going to get very plain here and introduce a subject that many consider to be perverse and disgusting; but it is real and illustrates this point. I can not count the times that I've heard members and the leadership of the ntcc talk about masturbation. I've heard preachers and members joke about it and condemn it. I've heard ntcc pastors that were married say that they masturbate. [Why?] And I've heard ntcc pastors preach to single brothers that masturbation is a sin.
If you were to ask the question you would be blasted; but if you were to be guilty of 'doing it' you would also be blasted. This in itself illustrates how much control the ntcc has over people.
Sex In The ntcc:
Why is this even relevant in the ntcc? Is it realistic to think that the ntcc would control what a person does in private? Or that ntcc would manipulate a person's sex life? Well, ntcc does! I know single brothers in the ntcc that have been involved with the ntcc for twenty years; but because these men allegedly "are not bible school material" they are living in celibacy against their own will. And the ntcc has convinced these poor men to blame themselves or think that God is not blessing them. But the reality is that ntcc has rules in place forbidding men from marrying any woman 'who does not attend ntcc faithfully'. That means she has to conform to all the ntcc dress codes and pay tithe and give in offerings and attend church each time the doors are open. Needless to say, many ntcc men are forced to remain single due to the ntcc forbidding to marry.
These examples of the shifting doctrine on masturbation and the forced celibacy illustrate the degree of control ntcc has in a person's life. It is not pretty what the ntcc does to people in exchange for their unwavering loyalty. The question can also be asked on many other topics: "Where does the ntcc stand on this issue or that issue?" In many cases the ntcc straddles the fence, causing confusion, guilt, and unnecessary hardships.
'Soul Winning' = Assimilating Others:
To complete this vicious cycle, once you are assimilated, you are expected to assimilate others. Not only are you now in a cult, but you are expected to produce fruits: More cult members. So much like the borg, the ntcc also creates drones that serve one purpose and one purpose only: To build an empire. The ntcc is not building a church where people love God and serve Him freely; but ntcc is building a financial empire where people are expected to give every drop of sweat and every dime they have so that the elite few ntcc 'leaders' in Washington State can benefit [$$$].
Human Devastation:
Many people were buried inside the great wall of China when it was constructed. And, we fear, many souls are also being destroyed in the building of the New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. financial empire and real estate holding company.
Human Devastation:
Many people were buried inside the great wall of China when it was constructed. And, we fear, many souls are also being destroyed in the building of the New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. financial empire and real estate holding company.
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Tuesday, November 9, 2010
Old Time Preaching Replaced by Skits and Workshops
What is this madness? I guess things are just not working out for the ntcc anymore. Not too long ago they used to have old fashioned Camp Meetings and Holy Ghost filled Conferences, or so it seemed; preaching and teaching and fellowshipping is now to be replaced by a new and progressive style of religious antics. A spiritual feast? The foolishness of preaching is being replaced by the foolishness of conference-style services and activities while the "power and demonstration" are to be replaced by skits and demonstrations.
I know I'm getting old and sometimes the possibility of dementia creeping in is a scary thought but are you kidding me? When all else fails it's time for the ntcc to have workshops about ministry related topics such as music, choirs, PA systems, Church Admin, Children's Church and more! These sound like very exciting times in the ntcc. Let's pack up our oil puking junkers and drive a couple thousand miles to Washington so they can give us campus tours and hand out information packets for potential students and aspiring ministers. Excuse me a second while I ram two fingers deep into my throat so I can puke at the thought of what the ntcc has turned into. While these people are continuing down this path of compromise and activities I guess that God is going to have to move through another organization and raise up another man so that His gospel of Christ being lifted up and glorified can be preached. It's just not happening any more in the ntcc.
In all fairness, I guess there's nothing wrong with skits and workshops, but come on! This is the very thing that Rev. Davis and Ashmore used to preach about. Worldliness and religion. If we can't get our numbers up by preaching old time salvation through the blood of Christ let's do something new. Activities, tours, skits, demonstrations and workshops and at the bottom of the list is prayer meetings. It's gonna be awesome!! It's gonna be fun!! It's gonna save you money on food and hotel expenses? Please explain this one to us mIke. Are you going to open up your homes and motor homes to church members so they can have a place to camp out? Or is attendance so far down that the dorms are empty? If for no other reason, come to conference because Washington is beautiful.
What really gnaws at my gizzard is the final disclaimer in this announcement. "Some things listed above are subject to change but the date and place of the conference is confirmed". That's just wonderful. You mean we are going to pack up our crayons, construction paper and scissors and drive all the way to Washington just to find out that the agenda has changed? You are going to lure us thousands of miles out to Graham in hopes of seeing skits and demonstrations, just to do what, take up a bunch of offerings? When will you realize that it's not working anymore? You can't change the house of God into a theater and expect people to come from all around to see skits and demonstrations. Or maybe you can if you are a cult and your members are so brainwashed that they don't know the difference anymore.
I know I'm getting old and sometimes the possibility of dementia creeping in is a scary thought but are you kidding me? When all else fails it's time for the ntcc to have workshops about ministry related topics such as music, choirs, PA systems, Church Admin, Children's Church and more! These sound like very exciting times in the ntcc. Let's pack up our oil puking junkers and drive a couple thousand miles to Washington so they can give us campus tours and hand out information packets for potential students and aspiring ministers. Excuse me a second while I ram two fingers deep into my throat so I can puke at the thought of what the ntcc has turned into. While these people are continuing down this path of compromise and activities I guess that God is going to have to move through another organization and raise up another man so that His gospel of Christ being lifted up and glorified can be preached. It's just not happening any more in the ntcc.
In all fairness, I guess there's nothing wrong with skits and workshops, but come on! This is the very thing that Rev. Davis and Ashmore used to preach about. Worldliness and religion. If we can't get our numbers up by preaching old time salvation through the blood of Christ let's do something new. Activities, tours, skits, demonstrations and workshops and at the bottom of the list is prayer meetings. It's gonna be awesome!! It's gonna be fun!! It's gonna save you money on food and hotel expenses? Please explain this one to us mIke. Are you going to open up your homes and motor homes to church members so they can have a place to camp out? Or is attendance so far down that the dorms are empty? If for no other reason, come to conference because Washington is beautiful.
What really gnaws at my gizzard is the final disclaimer in this announcement. "Some things listed above are subject to change but the date and place of the conference is confirmed". That's just wonderful. You mean we are going to pack up our crayons, construction paper and scissors and drive all the way to Washington just to find out that the agenda has changed? You are going to lure us thousands of miles out to Graham in hopes of seeing skits and demonstrations, just to do what, take up a bunch of offerings? When will you realize that it's not working anymore? You can't change the house of God into a theater and expect people to come from all around to see skits and demonstrations. Or maybe you can if you are a cult and your members are so brainwashed that they don't know the difference anymore.
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