1Ch 16:22 [Saying], Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.
From this scripture, ntcc get's its often repeated cult thought-stopping jargon:
"TOUCH NOT MINE ANOINTED"
In ntcc this phrase is interpreted to mean something very different than what God intended. The ntcc says "TOUCH NOT MINE ANOINTED" means a person should never question the "MAN OF GAWD". [This is another cult jargon phrase that will require its own separate blog post.] But does the scripture really mean that it is a sin to question or even challenge a person who claims to have been anointed by God? Let's look at God's Word for answers.
David and Saul:
Both men were anointed by God.
- Saul: 1Sa 10:1 ¶ Then Samuel took a vial of oil, and poured [it] upon his head, and kissed him, and said, [Is it] not because the LORD hath anointed thee [to be] captain over his inheritance?
- David: 1Sa 16:13 Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah.
**Note the correlation between being anointed and having the Spirit of the LORD.**
Both men were appointed to be king.
But Saul insisted on hunting David down as a dog to slay him:
1 Sa 24 Link
David fled from Saul. But when he was cornered in a cave, a unique event unfolded. Saul entered the cave to "cover his feet". David's men thought God had delivered Saul to die at their hands. BUT DAVID STOPPED THEM:
1Sa 24:6 And he said unto his men, The LORD forbid that I should do this thing unto my master, the LORD'S anointed, to stretch forth mine hand against him, seeing he [is] the anointed of the LORD.
1Sa 24:7 So David stayed his servants with these words, and suffered them not to rise against Saul. But Saul rose up out of the cave, and went on [his] way.
This is a clear example that "touching" involves physical harm and is forbidden by the Word of God.
BUT look what the Word records in the very next verses. David goes out of the cave and TALKS to Saul:
1Sa 24:8 ¶ David also arose afterward, and went out of the cave, and cried after Saul, saying, My lord the king. And when Saul looked behind him, David stooped with his face to the earth, and bowed himself.
1Sa 24:9 And David said to Saul, Wherefore hearest thou men's words, saying, Behold, David seeketh thy hurt?
David then continues to TALK to Saul, while refusing to "TOUCH GOD'S ANOINTED":
1Sa 24:10 Behold, this day thine eyes have seen how that the LORD had delivered thee to day into mine hand in the cave: and [some] bade [me] kill thee: but [mine eye] spared thee; and I said, I will not put forth mine hand against my lord; for he [is] the LORD'S anointed.
More of David's TALK is recorded in the next five verses:
1Sa 24:11-15
Nowhere does David violate God's commandment to
Nowhere does David violate God's commandment to
"TOUCH NOT MINE ANOINTED"
Yet David does TALK to Saul and challenge him for hunting David.
This is a clear example of a man of God, David, verbally challenging Saul to explain himself. We know that God witnessed of David that he is a man after God's own heart [Act 13:22]. So David confronting Saul, the anointed king, for Saul's unrighteous behavior is clearly not a sin!
This is just one example of verbally challenging God's anointed that is not a sin. It is "TALK", not "TOUCH"! For other examples study God's Word recording Nathan challenging David regarding his adultery with Bathsheba and murder-by-proxy of her husband Uriah the Hittite [2 Sa 11 link, 2 Sa 12 link]. Read about the Apostle Paul rebuking the Apostle Peter, how Paul "withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed" "before [them] all" when Peter caused a "dissimulation", a schism in the body of Christ. Think about what God is really saying [Gal 2 link]. Talking does not equal touching.
Maybe if Roland Moreno had stood up and challenged r. w. davis when rdub was railing on Roland's wife Maria (for looking at horses in a field) they'd all be alive today. Roland, or even one of Roland's pastors who knew (about Moreno calling out the borg leadership about phil kinson's adultery with a hooker), could have stood up like David did to Saul and questioned r. w. davis thus:
Why are you screaming at Maria when she didn't do anything wrong?
Perhaps if somebody had defended the Moreno family they would still be with us today.
But, sadly, nobody defended Maria or Roland.
And now they and their baby in Maria's womb and their precious little forever-young son Franky (Luis) are all dead; because davis wanted to protect jim johnson's son-in-law and hide philandering-phil kinson's adultery and promote that whoremongerer!
Was it worth it?
We'd take the Moreno family back any day of the week rather than associate with you hypocrites!
No Private Interpretation:
Do you see why God admonishes us not to have private interpretations of the Word?
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
Do you see why we are not to add to, or take away from, or wrest the scripture? Violating these simple commandments from God will always bring death. That is the harvest of the ntcc CULTure and false doctrines. DEATH.
This stuff is important. Think about what you have already seen in the ntcc. Don't be a part of this murderous corporation. They are not "of God". They do not love souls. They are just con-men on the take who don't care who gets used or destroyed or even murdered. Don't be a part of that! Instead, go to a church where the leadership exhibit the fruit of the Spirit [Gal 5:22-23] and demonstrate love for the brethren.
The bible says that all Christians are sealed by the Holy Spirit. That means we are all God's anointed. It also says that all Christians have the Spirit of Christ and the testimony of Jesus which is the Spirit of Prophecy. As such we are all anointed and have the Spirit of Prophecy. Additionally as Christians we are commanded to
Rom 12:10 [Be] kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;
When you do that then you can truly say you have fulfilled the scripture,
Psa 105:15 [Saying], Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.
Additional Scripture References:
Sealed by the Holy Spirit: 2 Cr 1:22, Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 link
Spirit of Christ: Rom 8:9
Spirit of Prophecy: Rev 19:10 ~ Which also contains the admonishment to worship only God, not mere men. That could be the topic of another blog post, NTCC IDOLS... *sigh*
Love One Another: Jhn 13:34, Jhn 15:12, Jhn 15:17 plus many more!
Related Posts:
To See A Mobile Summary Of All The Posts on one page, click this label: "The Moreno Family"
To See One Story per page, click the numbered post titles below:
1) Spiritual Homicide
2) Moreno Tragedy
3) Phil Kinson's Adultery Impacts Moreno Murders
4) Kill The Whistle-Blower, Promote The Adulterer
5) Touch Not Mine Anointed
6) The Last Hope For Mankind? ntcc's "Us Vs. Them" False Doctrine
7) Tour NTCC 4: The "Bonco" - Maria Moreno Video
8) The Moreno Family
This is a clear example of a man of God, David, verbally challenging Saul to explain himself. We know that God witnessed of David that he is a man after God's own heart [Act 13:22]. So David confronting Saul, the anointed king, for Saul's unrighteous behavior is clearly not a sin!
This is just one example of verbally challenging God's anointed that is not a sin. It is "TALK", not "TOUCH"! For other examples study God's Word recording Nathan challenging David regarding his adultery with Bathsheba and murder-by-proxy of her husband Uriah the Hittite [2 Sa 11 link, 2 Sa 12 link]. Read about the Apostle Paul rebuking the Apostle Peter, how Paul "withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed" "before [them] all" when Peter caused a "dissimulation", a schism in the body of Christ. Think about what God is really saying [Gal 2 link]. Talking does not equal touching.
There is a right time to speak up against hypocrisy and deceit.
Maybe if Roland Moreno had stood up and challenged r. w. davis when rdub was railing on Roland's wife Maria (for looking at horses in a field) they'd all be alive today. Roland, or even one of Roland's pastors who knew (about Moreno calling out the borg leadership about phil kinson's adultery with a hooker), could have stood up like David did to Saul and questioned r. w. davis thus:
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| Debbie Johnson Kinson |
- It is not a sin to stop and look at horses in a field.
- davis, did you scream at your wife or daughter when she went to the Sea-Tac mall to spend hours shopping for more new clothes?
- Weren't "souls lost and dying and on their way to hell" while tanya and verna cackled over the latest fashion faux pas they saw in some poor store clerk's or bible school student's attire?
- Did you rail on your wife when the borg paid for your vacation in Europe where you shopped for fine crystal?
- Did you scream at your wives for coveting more and larger diamond rings when that money could have been given to the poor?
- Why didn't you rail on phil kinson for going to a whore for sex when "souls are lost and dying and on their way to hell"?
- Do you think the women in that brothel will ever accept Christ knowing a so-called preacher, phil kinson, is a bigger whoremongerer than all their other 'clients'?
- Why didn't you blame debbie johnson kinson for being so fat that phil didn't want to have sex with her, his own wife? That is what you do to the wives of other men.
- Why the double standard r. w. davis?
- Don't you know that
WE SEE WHAT DOUBLE-STANDARD HYPOCRITES YOU AND YOUR NEPOTISTIC NTCC BOARD MEMBERS ARE!
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| Mourning The Loss Roland and Maria in happier times. |
But, sadly, nobody defended Maria or Roland.
And now they and their baby in Maria's womb and their precious little forever-young son Franky (Luis) are all dead; because davis wanted to protect jim johnson's son-in-law and hide philandering-phil kinson's adultery and promote that whoremongerer!
Was it worth it?
We'd take the Moreno family back any day of the week rather than associate with you hypocrites!
No Private Interpretation:
Do you see why God admonishes us not to have private interpretations of the Word?
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
Do you see why we are not to add to, or take away from, or wrest the scripture? Violating these simple commandments from God will always bring death. That is the harvest of the ntcc CULTure and false doctrines. DEATH.
This stuff is important. Think about what you have already seen in the ntcc. Don't be a part of this murderous corporation. They are not "of God". They do not love souls. They are just con-men on the take who don't care who gets used or destroyed or even murdered. Don't be a part of that! Instead, go to a church where the leadership exhibit the fruit of the Spirit [Gal 5:22-23] and demonstrate love for the brethren.
The bible says that all Christians are sealed by the Holy Spirit. That means we are all God's anointed. It also says that all Christians have the Spirit of Christ and the testimony of Jesus which is the Spirit of Prophecy. As such we are all anointed and have the Spirit of Prophecy. Additionally as Christians we are commanded to
Rom 12:10 [Be] kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;
When you do that then you can truly say you have fulfilled the scripture,
Psa 105:15 [Saying], Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.
Additional Scripture References:
Sealed by the Holy Spirit: 2 Cr 1:22, Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 link
Spirit of Christ: Rom 8:9
Spirit of Prophecy: Rev 19:10 ~ Which also contains the admonishment to worship only God, not mere men. That could be the topic of another blog post, NTCC IDOLS... *sigh*
Love One Another: Jhn 13:34, Jhn 15:12, Jhn 15:17 plus many more!
Related Posts:
To See A Mobile Summary Of All The Posts on one page, click this label: "The Moreno Family"
To See One Story per page, click the numbered post titles below:
1) Spiritual Homicide
2) Moreno Tragedy
3) Phil Kinson's Adultery Impacts Moreno Murders
4) Kill The Whistle-Blower, Promote The Adulterer
5) Touch Not Mine Anointed
6) The Last Hope For Mankind? ntcc's "Us Vs. Them" False Doctrine
7) Tour NTCC 4: The "Bonco" - Maria Moreno Video
8) The Moreno Family
29 comments:
One has to wonder if RWD was ever "anointed". As far back as his history goes, there are many testimonies of his lust for money, power and greed along with Adulterous affairs. If you go all the way back to his days with PCG: he left that organization under accusations of adultery, using the excuse that he wanted to start his own bible school.
"Touch not mine anointed" is a great scripture to shovel out to people when you want them to reverence you as a King of Israel, or a leader of a nation. The apostle Paul wrote many of the books in the New Testament and he never carried on like RWD, seeking the worship of men or elevating himself by demanding respect. Collections were taken up to relieve the poor in the church and people gave as God purposed in their hearts, not out of a mandate so that the royal "anointed ones" in Graham could live in mansions and drive expensive cars and Recreational Vehicles on all expense paid vacations across the country.
Maybe there was a time back in RWD's secretive past that he was saved and therefore "anointed", but those days are long gone. Nobody is trying to cause physical harm to him. Many of us that blog are chipping away at their financial empire by bringing awareness to their corruption, so people don't have to blindly walk into the trap that many of us did. Now that we have the internet, anyone who does a search on ntcc can find out about the many accounts of corruption that take place in the organization. The fire is going out in the ntcc and people are waking up slowly. The numbers are down and their bottom line is being effected. They might have enough real estate and financial assets to live happily ever after, but the quality of leadership has decayed, as they have compromised and corrupted themselves beyond ignorance.
You really have to turn a blind eye now a days to ignore what is going on. You have to be completely brainwashed and willingly ignorant to not confront the lies and hypocrisy that take place openly. I'm talking to the preachers that have been in the ntcc for 25 + years and you have seen the double standards and hypocrisy over and over and over again. The rules change to accommodate the sins of the leaders.
You ntcc'rs continue to stay in your place and don't question any thing. Continue to pay your tithe and offerings to these crooks and thieves who tell you with their lying tongues that they are anointed, so that you will follow all of their stupid rules that are designed only to conceal their hypocrisy and sin while their kingdom on this earth continues to increase and they lack nothing except for human decency and compassion.
DnA
mike kekel, if dvds were only policy and were never rules, why was it frowned upon and not allowed ?
why did you and others in the leadership have to hide the fact that you watched DVD's ?
If DVD's were ok for children such as your son to watch, why was it not ok for other children to watch ?
If video games were ok for your son to play and it was not a rule but only a policy why did people get blasted for playing video games ?
Asked, "mike kekel, if dvds were only policy and were never rules, why was it frowned upon and not allowed ?"
DnA say,
Because mike kekel is a liar, flat out. He's just like Clinton, who said, "I did not have sex with that woman." But the proof was on the dress. [ewww, gross] Shmucks.
The rules were never kept by the borg 'leaders'. All those rules in ntcc are just there to control you and prove your loyalty to the borg.
The borg leaders always minced words. They flat out blasted people for watching "devil vision" and dvds were included. They can lie and say it was policy and not a mandate, but they would threaten people with hell and eternal damnation for many things that were not so condemned in the bible, all the while we are learning that these self proclaimed super apostles were engrossed in far more greivous sins.
don and ange, could you put the recent comments somewhere on your blog ? i don't know if i am missing out on discussions on other topics.
thanks.
This blog has the "Recent Comments" widget installed on the right sidebar. If you don't see them, it probably means you are using the "Mobile View". Look at the bottom of the page for the "View Web Version" link and click into that. You should see pictures of the campground's back lake. There will also be many pictures / links to featured blog posts. And the Recent Comments should also be visible. Please let us know if that helps. Thanks.
lol,
mckekel.com
kekel can have as many blogs as he wants. It still doesn't change the fact that he is a lying hypocrite who says one thing but lives something else.
Maybe kekel posted this link, in a desperate attempt to drive traffic to his lame websites. Anybody else recall his boasting about reaching 100,000 before conference? That did not happen. Yet Jeff's blog exceeded that number. It's a sad testament to kekel, who has a captive audience of churches and bible school students' yet he still couldn't produce anything worthy of their attention. Sad, but not surprising. kekel's blog is as he looks, dead - flat dull eyes, no smile, no warmth. The dude, like his blog, is spiritually dead.
You know, the thing is, kekel is wrong; but he doesn't have to stay that way. Repentance is a mere prayer away. There was another person to whom I gave that same message. I really felt compelled to warn him. As it is written, knowing the terror of the Lord, we persuade men. Not long thereafter the man passed away. Honestly, I don't know if he changed or not. I hope he did. The Lord is longsuffering, not willing that any should perish. His mercy is as swift as a whispered heartfelt prayer. One way or the other, the Lord delivered that man's family from an emotionally, verbally, spiritually, physically, and possibly sexually abusive alcoholic who held this ungodly power over his wife and daughters for close to two decades. And though I did not like it, I did not blame the man as much as the religious people around that family who looked the other way and allowed the abuse to continue. God knows.
I've been mulling over another blog topic about why we do what we do.
The bible does speak of not keeping company with someone if they say they are a brother/sister/Christian, yet partake of certain sins continually. That scripture if preached and correctly applied in that man's case could have delivered not only his family, but possibly the man himself. There's something about being upfront about sin and not tolerating hypocrisy that helps people find God.
Anyway. We are trying to do our part. How others respond is between them and God.
i personally think Kekel has allowed himself (like many of us have) to get sucked up into the ntcc mess and doesn't see or realize the path he is on. That, and/or plus a mix of being afraid of the wizard of ntcc named davis.
kekel, go take some time off somewhere alone for a week or two. Start fresh, forget about what all you have done or want to do and start out fresh with God.
It can't hurt.... maybe you'll realize some things, maybe you won't but either way, it wont hurt.
Tell davis he should do the same....we all should do that as time allows in ones life... just put the brakes on everything absolutely and think and talk with God.
Nice thought, Anonymous. But kekel is a deliberate predator. He get's no free pass from us. The dude lies like a rug about everything, just like davis. Sugar coating it won't help them. Jesus called hypocrites hypocrites.
Drove by the compound in Graham, the other day, who should I see, Mr Grant Kekel driving his dads BMW sportscar, one of two I think they own. He of course was by himself. Must be home for the summer vacation.
The Lord saved our souls... not ntcc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1RiF2rU6UI
Anonymous said:
"Drove by the compound in Graham, the other day, who should I see, Mr Grant Kekel driving his dads BMW sportscar, one of two I think they own. He of course was by himself. Must be home for the summer vacation."
DnA said:
I have to wonder what kind of message this sends to some of the ministers that raised their children in the ntcc. We all observed many kids whose childhood was taken from them and they were all expected to live by strict rules, except Grant of course. Very few ntcc children stuck around after they grew up. Most of them wanted to get away from the ntcc as soon as they were legally able; and this is why board members allowed their young daughters in their mid teens to marry men that were almost old enough to be their fathers. Being married to a borg member makes it that much harder to break away, especially when you have no work experience or higher education [college].
I feel sorry for kids that had to endure the ntcc experience. Proverbs 22:6 says, "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it." We see that the ntcc has done a bang up job of "training up" their children. Is the bible incorrect? Or perhaps the ntcc has it all wrong? I would say the latter is more likely. If they were training up their children right, there wouldn't be such a mass exodus among the ntcc teenagers to escape when they come of age.
The ntcc is a very sick and unhealthy CULTure for kids. Not sure how all of you old time ministers that raised your kids according to Davis doctrine can sit by and watch Prince Grant drive around in BMWs and not feel a tinge of guilt for the way you chose to raise your kids by following devilish Davis doctrines. It's a sick world and the ntcc is a sick cult.
DnA
Thanks for the video. If you like Blues you will want to check it out.
Off the topic a bit, I want to make another point about the Graham compound. It truly is a compound, on the side where Davis and Kekel lives, there was about 4 houses that where not "inside the fence", I remember a few years back Kekel made mention over the pulpit that there was talk of "if your home was outside the fence" that you where not as saved as the people who's houses where inside the fence! What? Really? Of course he said that wasn't so however, low and behold, a few years later, after Kekel moves next door to Daddy, theres a fence around those houses too. Go figure. I remember them saying the reason they need a fence around the compound, {that's what I like to call it} is that they need to keep the criminals out. Yeah right...
Yeah right. If they wanted a fence to keep the criminals out, they would have to live outside that fence. Crooks. Child molesters.
Anonymous said:
"I want to make another point about the Graham compound. It truly is a compound"
DnA said:
It absolutely is a typical communal cult compound. The ntcc uses the fear of hell to keep people there. It's actually pretty sick if you think about it. The leadership lives in absolute luxury right under the noses of their cult members. RWD, Kekel, Olson, Ashmore and the rest live lavishly while expecting their congregants to exist way below the poverty level. They preach strict adherence to rules that they break without question or accountability. If someone does question them or disobey them, that person becomes an example through public humiliation.
Every waking moment of the bible school students life is controlled to shape them into obedient cult members that don't question their cult leaders. They also learn very well how to become cult leaders and treat their own cult members. Servicemen's homes are often satellite versions of the cult compound in Graham. If you "love God" you will live in the home and abide by it's rules.
A servicemen's home is the perfect environment for a perverted preacher who thinks he is God to abuse his cult members or followers. They learn from the "master" (RWD), how to abuse people and they follow in his footsteps, and in many cases they commit adultery and practice homosexuality and abuse children and women while demanding respect and barking out ultimatums with threats of hell and eternal damnation keeping people in their places.
Ntcc preachers are some of the most perverted and wicked people I've ever met. I'm not saying that all of them are this way but quite a few fall into the category of "abusive jerks". They are not servants of all, but demand to be worshiped as they hide gross sins and abuse people around them. They are followed blindly and they get away with it because they are good at brainwashing people and they are gods of their own little universes which are miniature cult compounds.
DnA
Exactly!
I have said this before and I will say it again, if members know all this stuff and still stay, I think it is because their lives with their families is so nonexistent, knowing that if they leave they will lose this so called "NTCC family" that they have acquired. It is a HUGE mistake to stay if you know the truth. They have to live with the decisions that they make, and how their children and wives are affected by their decision to stay.
Some people sell themselves at such a cheap price.
one reason people stay though is the fear of going to hell. the ntcc pimps in the pulpit say if you leave, you're leaving God, castastrophe will strike, you wont be able to get back to God.
All of which is a lie. God doesn't only respect christians who attend ntcc, get your brain back on.
you'll find when you leave, the God is there waiting for you. Jesus said he'll never leave you or forsake you.
Even in Jesus day the parents of the blind son said they don't know how he was healed because they were afraid of getting put out of the synagogue.
The pharisees were clean on the outside and greedy on the inside.
I can never get enough of this video
Pimps in the Pulpit
LOL!
LOL!
Yes, they do pimp the minds of the WEAK, and I was one of them. Sadly, I can't get back those years. But with Gods grace and help I can move past the grief I suffered as a result of serving a Godless church. I'm out.
they have an offering for this
and an offering for that
everytime i turn around
the pimp is passing his hat
:Anonymous said:
Christians should not judge.
"Oh, they are not judging; they are just fruit inspectors."
Ever hear that line before?
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