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This Is I - by Ange
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a newcreature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2 Corinthians 5:17
Now, I tend to think ahead. So I knew this paper would not be well received by the dirt-digger, davis. But I was set in my course. As it happened, the paper wasn't assigned while I was there.
Now we have the testimony of a woman whose allegations should land several people in the place they belong - prison for child abuse, neglect, assault, and attempted murder. davis too should be incarcerated; because he knew of abuse allegations, and failed to report it. That alone makes me believe the allegations against him of being an abuser himself. Note there are multiple victims making these reports of abuse against davis and barbara norton warwick. There are more voices too, who so far have remained silent. But they are witnesses just the same.
Here is a list of comments left on previous posts. We have embedded them into this blog post and made their font color yellow. Some of the comments are from other folks, but most of the comments in this post are by Lisa, and detail her living hell being raised in the NTCC by barbara norton (now warwick). We have taken the cue from Lisa and titled this post "This Is I" - Lisa's True Story About Barbara Norton Warwick's House of Horrors.
Lisa said...
I. Want to say its good to chat wig you guys without getting permission. First of all I was raised in the church for 15 years it was horrible .. I was raped by Jhonny He was one offs is boy he was married to my sister Pam. He would always grab my butt I used to stay home from church because I was so sick all the time.. He would wait til my dad would be outside he would put his hand over my mouth and he would play with my virginia.. He did rape me I was a virgin I got pregnant by him thank God I lost the baby.. I told my sister she told Davis he said to her he was so sick of these girls lying on his boys moved Jhonny to Seattle Davis turned my family away from me I had no one I started drinking at 15. Prayed every. Ight for me to die. It was not until Jhonny was arrested recently for child abuse. That now my sister knows the truth.. Nobody understood me I became. Very sexually active because I did not care about my body. Davis always wanted to make excuses to spank me mash ire did spank me I could swear he looked up my dress the way he bent me over. I have blocked so much out because of the pain.. I am remembering he put his hand in my underwear and was rubbing me .... I can't believe this came back to me.... I think of all people that where aloud to spank me. This one lady watch me and pull my dress up and spanked me with a orange race car track that was plastic I remember It hurt to sit down there was whelks on my butt I would cry to sit down my mom said I was crying and deserved everything I got... There is so much I have to share with you group.. Them men are nasty old men I apologize if I misspelled some words my eyes are real bad now that. Is another story about my health
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For those who don't know, the Johnny that Lisa is referring to is Johnny Jordan. Click the [blue] link above that cross references the Johnny Jordan story.
Julie said...
Lisa said....First of all I was raised in the church for 15 years it was horrible.
It truly isn't your fault. I am glad that you are finding the courage to speak out. You are an amazing woman. You are special in God's eyes and don't ever forget it.
Thank you for not making me stand out here alone. It gives me the strength to keep telling what I know about the secrets in NTCC. People need the truth. I hope and pray more will see us standing up will feel encouraged to step out too. There are people who's hearts grieve for what we have gone through and hate that we suffered greatly.
Hugs,
Julie
Lisa said...
There is a lot more I want to share please forgive me if my thoughts in my head is bringing so back tho the pain.. My mom was no saint God in Heaven knows this is the truth.. My mom was very abusive to us kids shee would get mad at us and rip our clothes off one time she hit me so much I prayed for God to take me and make her stop. I am crying so hard now the pain I feel right now is so deep.. She would go to church and prYeverybody loved her she would come home and get so angry it could be I spilled milk and sit on top of me and she would hit me.. I went to church one time in the summer wearing a sweater she dug her claws in my throat choked me and ripped my clothes off. This one member picked us up from church I was told to tell him or anybody else that wonder why my shoes did not much tell them my brother pushed me out the door no she took my high heel and hit me with it over and over until she broke my shoe.. She would tell me all the time how ugly I was and the first person that ever said they would marry me she would sign the papers to get rid of me. She was horrible I was a whore to her I never had sex. Had no ideal what she was saying at Tahoe locked me in the closet in the dinning room there was mice in there they crawled over me to this day I can't see mice I will freak out I can't sleep.. She would get mad at my brother he was handicapp. She would make him where a dress. If him and I got in fight she would make us hug and kiss each other on the lips......She would call the brothers over they would take a belt to Terry and hit him over and over again.. I hate them for hurting him like thAt. I can't handle this right now I will tell you the rest I promise
Julie said...
Lisa said......There is a lot more I want to share please forgive me if my thoughts in my head is bringing so back tho the pain.. My mom was no saint God in Heaven knows this is the truth
Oh Lisa I totally understand what it means for the thoughts to bring pan to one's head. It makes it hurt beyond hurt it's self.
No you mother was not a saint. I remember being in St. Louis I was about 5 years old. I was sitting waiting for one of my parents to find me for the rule in my family was if I didn't know where one of my parents was then I was to stay sitting until one found me. If I didn't do this I got a beating from my mother which then followed with a beating from my father it was just how it worked. Your mother saw me sitting there told me to come with her. I tried to explain the rule I had to follow. She got very mad and grabbed me by my ponytail and pulled me until she found my mother. No one around even tried to stop what she did.
She found my mother and said here is your daughter she was hiding in the other room from you.
I tried to explain to my mother what really happened. I was taken out and my mother took a stick from by the trees and whipped me for not following the rules. Then when I got home and my father was told of my disobedience he then beat me too. I was then given a spoonful of black pepper to eat which always burned my mouth. My parents didn't wash my mouth out with soap it was always a tablespoon NOT a teaspoon of black pepper in the mouth.
Your mother's actions were bad and should have never happened to you or any child, Lisa.
Hugs,
Julie
Julie said...
This one member picked us up from church I was told to tell him or anybody else that wonder why my shoes did not much tell them my brother pushed me out the door no she took my high heel and hit me with it over and over until she broke my shoe.. She would tell me all the time how ugly I was and the first person that ever said they would marry me she would sign the papers to get rid of me......
The fact that your mother would make you go to church with mismatch shoes is so mean.
I know the feeling about being told you are ugly. I use to wonder if I could ever be like the "Ugly Duckling Story" if there was a way to one day become beautiful then I would think I don't think I would ever be that lucky.
Oh the signing papers to the first person that agreed to marry now that sounds all to familiar to me for I lived it.
Lisa said...She was horrible I was a whore to her I never had sex. Had no ideal what she was saying at Tahoe locked me in the closet in the dinning room there was mice in there they crawled over me to this day I can't see mice I will freak out I can't sleep..
Lisa just because you didn't understand her words did not give her a right to lock you in a closet no action deserves that reaction. I understand being freaked out by mice with what happened in the past. I have things because of the past still freak me out even to this day.
Hugs,
Julie
Julie said...
Lisa said... She would get mad at my brother he was handicapp. She would make him where a dress.
Lisa this is just horrible. I bet she got the idea from Davis since I have seen him do it to other little boys. There is no reason in the world to do this to a little boy no matter what. Your poor brother.
Hugs,
Julie
Julie said...
Lisa, I can only say that what you went through was horrifying. It makes me sick because these people are living in million dollar mansions like nothing ever happened. They all need to be hauled off to prison. In the name of Christianity these people have done things that are so horrible to you. Your mother should be in prison right now. She was not a mother to you, Terry or Pam. A mother provides, protects and loves her children. I didn't have a father, and my mother smoked pot and hung out with some undesirable people, but she never beat me or neglected me. She provided, protected and loved me in spite of everything. She wasn't a Christian until I was in High school, but in spite of some really bad choices she cared for me.
DNA it is insane that they can live in their mansions like nothing has happened to many innocent victims young and old. What has made it hard for many of us is that it was done in the name of God. I remember being told "God told me I was to have sex with you today." They don't care that those words began to form an evil uncaring picture of God in one's head. It is horrifying beyond horrifying.
Thanks for sharing a little of your childhood it actually helps us victims it really does even though you received love.
When share even the littlest things in their life it helps us feel so alone.
People out there even if your story wasn't of physical abuse; we still need to hear it for it does help even those that were physically abused because your emotional or verbal abuse stories help us to keep spilling our stories.
You may say with what you read I don't know what to say. Your stories of your own experiences are medicine to our soul more than you might realize.
Hugs,
Julie
Photon DD said...
I remember taking Terry and that sunday school group to a park in western St Louis County, so Lisa there are people here who remember you and have compassion on your situation. I remember your mom's hair so long it almost reached her feet! It just seems that the teaching there was to observe outward holiness yet the inside was full of dead mens bones... and their spirits.. emitted harshness and downright cruelty. Back in those days all were so poor, living on the edge... yet pressurized to give more and more... 10% was not giving God anything to them... and they were right... giving NTCC a dime TRULY WAS giving God nothing! (get that?) Because they were unworthy!
Lisa said...
Lets do the this. Is I paper like we did in bible college. So Davis you like to have knowledge that you can use against us so let's chat. Let's talk about this day school you opened wear the teachers where not educated at all what a joke. How you made all of us kiss watch you spank Garry with a belt you would make him turn around you would swing. That belt make turn again swing the belt you hit him 20 times over and over again so you made him to be. A example for us ? Since you want to know everything l let's start off about how you found out I was pregnant you told me If I told anybody you would spank so severe. I would never talk again.... What. About how you would make up reason to spank me but you got delayed the joke was on you ... ''Well I told Mark,I told Lori, and now I am telling the world what you tried to hide I under e rug everybody will know about this... How you whee. The one who gave Jhonny money to leave St.Louis. .... How you tried to sleep with my sister Brenda oh let's not forget PAm she. Was a minor... Let go on about this is I mom what about you Choking me over. And over again Lori know she seen the marks on my back from where you took a rose Busch and kept hitting me over and over. She seen. The bruises you caused all over my body. Davis let's talk about when I was 11 years did old and you and my mom talked. About. Me marrying Jesus Rodregious. You talked in the office but you told Davis I would have. To wait 2 years I was only 11 I was still playing with dolls and roller skating whatever where you thinking.....You made me go on those dates with him he ended up marrying my friend Christina mom Linda. How gross I would spend e night we'll they would laugh at me hey my dad is in there with my mom where he could of been yours gross he was 27
Anonymous said...
Someone needs to start filling out affidavits out or sworn statements now. A crime has been committed.
It is time to take action.
Lisa said...
This is I. Instead of worrying how sick I was you where more worried about what Davis said the doctor told you to take me to a doctor and a ob gym doctor but you would not sign the paper work.. That is great I have had 24 stomach surgery . Let us not forget two years ago you seen me And made me feel so bad you kept telling everybody I was fat you can't get over this. I always so skinned I had Colin cancer and a life vest on my. Heart you know when you kept upsetting me at the monitor would go off its a monitor mom that. If your heart stops. The paddles come out and. Revive your heart. .. The doctors where telling my family I might die. My heart only functions 30 percent. If you. Would have taken me to the doctor I would not be like this but I forget let's go soul winning Or church we can't forget that
Lisa said...
I just want to let you know I lay her. In bed sometimes not able to move because of my. Heart. The pacemaker tries to slow down my heart. Avid defibrillator on my heart as we'll. there. Is no more chances for me it's all in Gods hands right. Now. Let's talk about my eyes you and Davis said let's take her to a blind school so we can get a check on. Her You knew I could see then. But. You whee the one the. Doctor went off on not me. Let me tell you mom I used to be in so much pain. Dad went to the doctor for me and told them it was his back he gave me the pills. Then I took more I never had. To love I was numb
Lisa said...
Legs go on about this is I. When I took sod pills I felt nothing you could hit me all you wanted it did not boer me .the day I looked at you and told you I hated you and run upstairs and locked the door you where taking the screws out I f I could have open that window I would have so jumped out and ran away. How you dragged me down the stairs by my hair like you where some cave women?.. And you kept asking me if I was on something because I couldn't. Cry I was pain pills the more I took the pin went way. Even Scott knew something was wrong because. Of my swings.......
Lisa said...
This is I the daughter you told on a daily basis you wish I was never born. Let's not forget you rage how you would tell. Us kids you would ram your fist down our throats.. This is the girl thAt you punched in the nose where blood was going al over my clothes and had to change clothes for church.. Pam and I are the girls you would. Lock us out in the winter on that porch there was no heat but let us get sick we got a beating for that... You locked us out there was snow on the ground we had no shoes and where in our slips......
Lisa said...
Let's take about how going to church you loved on everybody else's kids but not us... You screamed and yelled on a daily. We cleaned your house like we where slaves. Nothing ever pleased you... How dad would tell you he didn't care you went to church but don't run the gas out how you would get mad and throw a gallon of milk at him.. How you would punch on dad he was a little man and he worked his butt off it was never enough.... Davis. What about the N. Word that you called the black people that is horrible. But you sure where there when our African black brothers where handing out money to you.....i
Anonymous said...
If people did those things to adults, they would be in jail for assault and attempted murder.
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| Barbara Norton Warwick She may look innocent here. But the comments below tell A very different story of terror. |
Lisa said...
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| Johnny Dean Jordan Raped Lisa Norton, she alleges, getting her pregnant at 15; but nobody called the police to report this crime! |
It truly isn't your fault. I am glad that you are finding the courage to speak out. You are an amazing woman. You are special in God's eyes and don't ever forget it.
Thank you for not making me stand out here alone. It gives me the strength to keep telling what I know about the secrets in NTCC. People need the truth. I hope and pray more will see us standing up will feel encouraged to step out too. There are people who's hearts grieve for what we have gone through and hate that we suffered greatly.
Hugs,
Julie
Oh Lisa I totally understand what it means for the thoughts to bring pan to one's head. It makes it hurt beyond hurt it's self.
No you mother was not a saint. I remember being in St. Louis I was about 5 years old. I was sitting waiting for one of my parents to find me for the rule in my family was if I didn't know where one of my parents was then I was to stay sitting until one found me. If I didn't do this I got a beating from my mother which then followed with a beating from my father it was just how it worked. Your mother saw me sitting there told me to come with her. I tried to explain the rule I had to follow. She got very mad and grabbed me by my ponytail and pulled me until she found my mother. No one around even tried to stop what she did.
She found my mother and said here is your daughter she was hiding in the other room from you.
I tried to explain to my mother what really happened. I was taken out and my mother took a stick from by the trees and whipped me for not following the rules. Then when I got home and my father was told of my disobedience he then beat me too. I was then given a spoonful of black pepper to eat which always burned my mouth. My parents didn't wash my mouth out with soap it was always a tablespoon NOT a teaspoon of black pepper in the mouth.
Your mother's actions were bad and should have never happened to you or any child, Lisa.
Hugs,
Julie
The fact that your mother would make you go to church with mismatch shoes is so mean.
I know the feeling about being told you are ugly. I use to wonder if I could ever be like the "Ugly Duckling Story" if there was a way to one day become beautiful then I would think I don't think I would ever be that lucky.
Oh the signing papers to the first person that agreed to marry now that sounds all to familiar to me for I lived it.
Lisa said...She was horrible I was a whore to her I never had sex. Had no ideal what she was saying at Tahoe locked me in the closet in the dinning room there was mice in there they crawled over me to this day I can't see mice I will freak out I can't sleep..
Lisa just because you didn't understand her words did not give her a right to lock you in a closet no action deserves that reaction. I understand being freaked out by mice with what happened in the past. I have things because of the past still freak me out even to this day.
Hugs,
Julie
Lisa this is just horrible. I bet she got the idea from Davis since I have seen him do it to other little boys. There is no reason in the world to do this to a little boy no matter what. Your poor brother.
Hugs,
Julie
DNA it is insane that they can live in their mansions like nothing has happened to many innocent victims young and old. What has made it hard for many of us is that it was done in the name of God. I remember being told "God told me I was to have sex with you today." They don't care that those words began to form an evil uncaring picture of God in one's head. It is horrifying beyond horrifying.
Thanks for sharing a little of your childhood it actually helps us victims it really does even though you received love.
When share even the littlest things in their life it helps us feel so alone.
People out there even if your story wasn't of physical abuse; we still need to hear it for it does help even those that were physically abused because your emotional or verbal abuse stories help us to keep spilling our stories.
You may say with what you read I don't know what to say. Your stories of your own experiences are medicine to our soul more than you might realize.
Hugs,
Julie
It is time to take action.
What you went through as a child and during the years when you are supposed to be learning how to succeed in life is tragic and sorrowful. I'm a grown man and it makes me cry when I read what you went through. As a child there is no choice. You were made to believe that all of this horrible stuff that happened to you was your fault. You were blamed and beaten down every time you didn't want to do something that was wrong. By sharing this openly we hope you can realize how wrong they treated you and how that none of this was ever your fault. Both you and Julie are raising awareness of how perverse the ntcc is.
If there ever was a time that folks like you needed to come forward, now is that time. You are literally saving lives. If one person googles ntcc and reads what you have written and decides not to go to this church, you have saved them from ruining their life. For those that have endured similar tragic childhoods as yours, you are letting them know that they are not alone. You are giving them hope and allowing them to realize that they were just children like you trying to grow up and if you can help them stop blaming themselves for what they went through, you are helping them beyond what a counselor could.
One of the big problems with being in a cult is that the cult leaders make people believe that all the bad things that happen to you are your fault because you didn't please them. They make themselves seem like they are God. Instead of realizing that the cult leader is not following God, they are manipulated into thinking that they themselves are being judged by God.
God is not like this at all. He is the opposite of what we all have learned in the ntcc. Anyway, Lisa and Julie, you two are helping so many people to include us. When we see what you've been through and how you are resolved to share the truth about these phony false prophets and perverts, it helps us and gives us more resolve.
What Davis is going through now at 85 years old is the least of his worries. He's done enough evil for them to haul him off to jail and rot for the rest of his miserable days. If this thing ever goes to court, the judge and jury should turn the bonco, Davis and Kekel's manisions and they entire cult compound into a cult recovery center and allow folks like Julie and Lisa to live in the mansions and in the houses for free. They should make the buildings and sanctuaries into recovery centers with medical facilities and counselors that are experienced in cult recovery. There would be enough money for the victims and their children to never have to struggle for anything again and they deserve that.
But most of all, these sleazy fake preachers have a debt that needs to be paid to society. It would be too good for them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.
He like to bump into me and touch my breasts .....I was married and so was he....I was told I was just paranoid but he did it many times. I tired to say how he was but no one wanted to listen they I told.
I thought I bet he is having sex with other women and children because he fit the actions of other men in my life.....I said that out loud to my mother one day on the phone and she told me I wasn't too old for Kekel to come over and spank me and give me black pepper. In the leaders' eyes I was a feeble minded child forever.
I have held this in for years; so not surprised at his other actions.
I warned but it fail on deaf ears.
Hugs,
Julie
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I would like to say that I've chatted with Lisa and Julie and I'm learning that they are really good people. We've quickly become friends. Now I know many of you that are in the ntcc, and some that still follow all of their rules might think that it's wrong for a man to talk to a woman but you need to shed the erroneous teachings of the ntcc and just get back to the basics of the bible. Davis made up those rules because he couldn't control himself around women and young girls. He wasn't satisfied with one wife. Ange and I both have conversations with Lisa and Julie and they are two of the nicest people that you'll meet. What they have been through is horrible and they have both been very brave to share their testimonies.
There are some really good people that have been hurt badly by the ntcc and it's hirelings. More folks are coming forward and they now realize that what they went through was not their fault. I will tell you right now that every single person that I've met that has a history in the ntcc blames themselves for a lot of what they went through. We were taught to do that. I'm still much harder on myself than I'll ever be towards others. If the ntcc can get you to blame yourself for everything, they don't have to take any responsibility for their actions and many people will live their entire lives blaming themselves for something that they experienced in a cult. I get it, it's much easier to say, "I made a huge mistake, it was all my fault and I'm going to get on with my life". That's great if it works for you, but what about the hundreds and thousands of people that have fallen into the same trap?
We know now that there have been multiple instances of people coming forward and sharing the abuse they endured in the ntcc. Do you think that there might be a pattern here? When the first witnesses of the Sandusky case came forward everyone tried to discredit them and the school was involved in a huge cover up. But once someone came forward and publicly shared their story, others began to come forward. Same with the scandals involving Catholic priests. If you think that Julie and Lisa were the only two involved, you are naive and gullible. If you think there aren't people going through the same thing right now in the organization that is run by the same people, you are blinded.
Julie and Lisa have started the wheels rolling in a big way. The ntcc has hidden their dirty little secrets for way too long. They have tried to bury their secrets along with the spiritual carcasses that they have left behind. That's okay, because God can raise up the spiritually dead and give them new life. Maybe He'll raise up a whole army of people who you have left for dead, and cause them to have new life, so they can all testify against you.
These comments are carried over from the previous blog post about Tanya
Lisa said...
As I. Continue. The rest of this is I ...... Just remember. I was. The girl. You used to spit on me and kick me? I called you write after you left. I told you I admit I was a horrible child. If you could admit to me your where not the best mom you said no you told me you never loved me and you went off on me. Then you wonder why us kids never call you. Could it be when Johns home you talk sweet when Johns gone you are so meAn. You used to tell the church ladies you and I where so close when was thT when you where choking me and we had a life and death experience......
Wednesday, February 12, 2014 9:01:00 PM
Mark G, Julie and I went through a horrible experience that you can't understand because you are blinded you live in darkness. It takes many years and lots of counseling to deal with this. .. What if this was your child that was raped and spanked? Davis and St.Clairs. Sit in. The church with others with. Smiles. Thinking they got away with this. The truth will set us free and will show the inside of them and that is hate greed and lust. Men can't touch there bodies because that is unholy but let's. Molest the children. Do you know. What it feel like no you have to cover the mirrors in your house because you are ugly and nasty inside and out
Wednesday, February 12, 2014 9:15:00 PM
Mark G they took the one thing from you that is gone .. It was a hateful act. Julie I understand and thank God you have the courage to stand up and defend yourself..we are not there prisoners anymore. Johnny Jordan you are going back to jail! I will fight to the day I die to make you pay. Davis you hell you will welcome because I will be there for Julie my sister PAm and Brenda we are not taking it anymore,!, Mom you are going to die a lonely death in jail or all alone.. As for Heaven I will be there and I will help them lock the gates you are not welcomed. You have lied and beat us dragged us down .. I am her to say that it's over ....
Wednesday, February 12, 2014 9:33:00 PM
Mark G they took the one thing from you that is gone .. It was a hateful act. Julie I understand and thank God you have the courage to stand up and defend yourself..we are not there prisoners anymore. Johnny Jordan you are going back to jail! I will fight to the day I die to make you pay. Davis you hell you will welcome because I will be there for Julie my sister PAm and Brenda we are not taking it anymore,!, Mom you are going to die a lonely death in jail or all alone.. As for Heaven I will be there and I will help them lock the gates you are not welcomed. You have lied and beat us dragged us down .. I am her to say that it's over ....
Wednesday, February 12, 2014 9:33:00 PM
Lisa said:
" It takes many years and lots of counseling to deal with this. .. What if this was your child that was raped and spanked?"
DNA said:
That's exactly what many people don't understand. They overlook the horror of what you went through. Your Mom didn't believe you or Pam. We believe you. We hate what you went through but the sad thing is that even people who no longer attend the ntcc, are still brainwashed into defending them. They did a really good job of deceiving people. There are many people that will read this, especially in the ntcc, and they will dismiss it, until they are humiliated, and then they will remember your testimony and Julies and Pams. Sooner or later another pedophile, another predator, another sick narcissistic child molesting pervert will attack an innocent child and it will hit too close to home for them.
You ask a very good question: "What if it was your child, would you believe them?" A similar question was asked about Tanya Davis when she was a minor and Mike Kekel felt her up when he was in his mid twenties. Some people made excuses for him but what kind of a sick Father would allow this to happen to their daughter? In the ntcc the culture is to marry them off before they become old enough to think for themselves and taste of freedom from the cult. It's more important than treating them like human beings and allowing them to freely make their own unbiased decisions pertaining to their own lives. Davis is about as sick as they get. The Kekels are sick people too. No one in their right mind would dismiss the cries of their own children when they are in distress. A loving mom and dad would listen to their daughter and ask questions. They would care enough not to allow them to be around inappropriate adults who can't control themselves and if one did rape or molest their daughter they would go to the police and turn the child molesting pervert over to the authorities so they could not destroy any more lives. I know some will say that Tanya willingly participated in the make out session that Mike bragged about, but that doesn't release their Dad from his parental obligation to protect that child from a sexual predator. Anybody in their right mind who loved their daughter would have put an end to that relationship, but like we said, Davis is a sick demented predator.
Lisa said:
"Men can't touch there bodies because that is unholy but let's. Molest the children."
DNA said:
I've heard ntcc Pastors preach against masturbation and I've heard Davis speak against it also. He is a forked tongue double standard hypocrite. All of the Pastors in the ntcc are clones of Davis. They worship and adore him to the point that they do everything exactly the way he taught them to do it. One group of bible school students will hear one thing and another group will hear a different double standard. I had 14 pastors in 13 years in the ntcc and some of them encouraged masturbation and others discouraged it, and others said it was a sin. What does the bible say? Does that even matter to anyone? Are these brain dead preachers are so brain washed that they can't find the answers in the bible? I know that forcing sex on an innocent child when you are married to someone else is not something that pleases God. If you are having any sex outside of marriage it's called fornication. What a bunch of stinking hypocrites.
Lisa said....Mark G, Julie and I went through a horrible experience that you can't understand because you are blinded you live in darkness. It takes many years and lots of counseling to deal with this. .. What if this was your child that was raped and spanked?
Yes it takes years of getting help and classes to understand the basics so you know how to even think for you don't know how to even you your brain properly after such childhood abuse.
If you could truly see I how I was and how long it took me to even learn how to even write down what is going on in my head....then maybe you would get it but to truly understand you would have to open your heart just a little wide. You have got to except that even in a so called church their are sickos that care more about their desires than who is hurts to get them what they want in life.
Hugs,
Julie
Lisa said....Julie I understand and thank God you have the courage to stand up and defend yourself..we are not there prisoners anymore.
Lisa you make tears come to my eyes. You are so kind in your words about me. Thanks for defending me....you are so amazing wonderful and may heaven shine on you. We are truly not prisoners anymore....Thank God someone cared enough to show us how truly free we are now.
To understand freedom you must first understand you are a prisoner that was falsely arrested for it was they that were meant to be the prisoner not you. God says to the abused "not guilty" you are found not guilty before God. It is the abuser's fault not the victim, plain and simple.
Hugs,
Julie
Lisa said...Just remember. I was. The girl. You used to spit on me and kick me? I called you write after you left. I told you I admit I was a horrible child. If you could admit to me your where not the best mom you said no you told me you never loved me and you went off on me. Then you wonder why us kids never call you.
This speaks abandonment loud and clear. Why any mother would do this to her child, I don't understand? She wanted to run from the sin that had been done to you. There was no use for Terry in their eyes as a handicap individuals. The greed scum bags. Boy this just makes me think of more and more these people did.
They ruined our lives and what it should have been. Yet they want to throw out scriptures about how we should be.....ugh!
Lisa thanks for being brave enough to stepping out!!!
Hugs,
Julie
Lisa said:
"You have lied and beat us dragged us down .. I am her to say that it's over ...."
DNA said:
There you have it folks. I agree with Lisa. Amen!! This is our pulpit and this is our time to speak out against the evil cult. They had their day. They have had their chance to repent, to acknowledge their evil ways, to admit they were wrong and to make things right but they have chosen to hide their evil deeds and to run greedily after filthy lucre. They have chosen to destroy the children which God loves dearly. They have demanded every monetary gift they could get their hands on and they have lived like Kings, but their time is coming to an end. Davis is coming to an end.
If you have been in the ntcc and you have been wrongfully abused by any minister in anyway, now is your time. Stop blaming yourself for something that you had no control over. Don't let the ntcc ministers that hurt you get away with it. Don't let them go on hurting other people. We know that what the ntcc and it's false ministers have done is horrible and it hurts to relive it, but if you ever want to be free from it, you have to get out from underneath the burden that you have been carrying all alone for so many years. We are all hear to support you and we can tell you that when you confront these hypocrites they can do nothing but hang their head in shame. They are the ones that should carry the guilt that you have been carrying for so long. They are the ones that should be suffering and condemning themselves for their own wicked actions.
None of what you had to endure was caused by God. Remember the beatitudes. Blessed are the poor in spirit, they that mourn, the meek, They that hunger and thirst after righteousness, the pure in heart, the peace makers, they which are persecuted and blessed are you, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. Mt. 5:3-12
God is not throwing his blessings out there for those that have become filthy rich off of the poor in spirit. Jesus didn't bless the phony hypocrites, or the child molesting perverts. He didn't bless the tithe collectors who buy new Cadillacs every year and upgrade their mansions. He didn't bless those who preach one thing and do another. It's our time to shine. We have suffered long and we have had mercy on those who nobody has thought of for so long.
Find your voice and share your testimony. Lay down your heavy burdens and allow yourself to heal and enjoy the life that we have been given. If you find that nothing else has worked, try letting go like Julie and Lisa have learned to do. It feels so good to be free.
I would like to say that I've chatted with Lisa and Julie and I'm learning that they are really good people. We've quickly become friends. Now I know many of you that are in the ntcc, and some that still follow all of their rules might think that it's wrong for a man to talk to a woman but you need to shed the erroneous teachings of the ntcc and just get back to the basics of the bible. Davis made up those rules because he couldn't control himself around women and young girls. He wasn't satisfied with one wife. Ange and I both have conversations with Lisa and Julie and they are two of the nicest people that you'll meet. What they have been through is horrible and they have both been very brave to share their testimonies.
Julie said,
Don this is one of the nicest things you could ever say. Reading this just brings tears to my eyes to think you would speak of us this way no less in a public form where all can see.
Ange and You have display God in a more loving and caring way then I have ever seen before the both of you cross my path. Thanks for being a someone God could use. For truly walking the walk of God so that others can know the truth.
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. John 8:32
Freedom something in the past I thought I would never see.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. John 8:36
I still have to be reminded I am free.
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Galatians 5:1
It is wonderful to know we have people that are here to care and protect us on this blog as we heal. Its a long journey and a safe place is so important to have a long the way.
And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage: To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you. Galatians 2:4-5
Don and Ange don't lift themselves up or claim to be high and mighty. They just show the love of God to the hurt people that come to them and on this blog. God is definitely in them and flows through them.
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, Luke 4:18
They are people like you and me that care about people. Simply people caring about people. This is what it is all about here.
Hugs,
Julie
She looks familiar, does this woman go to the Graham church and does she have a tall thin husband who appears to be younger than her?
Anonymous of Tuesday, March 04, 2014 2:58:00 PM
Are asking about Barbara Norton Warwick? If so, then, yes he is taller than she is. She is not very tall. He is also thin. We did not include his photo at first because he was not married to Barbara until she moved to Washington. We believe her running off to Washington constitutes abandonment of both her husband in St. Louis - Mr. Norton and two of her children that did not go with her - Terry - the special needs lad, and Lisa who was 15, pregnant after being raped by her brother-in-law Johnny Dean Jordan who is the brother of both NTCC Seminary instructor and office staff member (Timothy) Paul Jordan (wife Venetta), and NTCC Board Member George Jordan (wife Kathy); who is the brother-in-law of NTCC Executive Board Member James Ross Ashmore (wife Helen "Ninn" sister of Kathy Jordan [George]). To say the least, Johnny Jordan was "Plugged in" or "Connected". That's one reason we believe davis moved him and his wife Pam, Lisa's sister, to Washington - to hide his rape. It is stunning that Barbara left her daughter Lisa and special needs son Terry and her husband in St. Louis to follow davis to Washington. It makes me wonder if she had "a thing" for davis! He wasted no time matchmaking Barbara with John Warwick before she was even divorced from her St. Louis husband. (If I have correctly remembered the details.)
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