A Closer Look at The Revelation of Ashmore

How deep does the hypocrisy run in Ashmore's church?  Let's refresh our memories with the little excerpt we got from Ashmore's Commentary blog. We are going to break this down sentence by sentence:

""COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! RUN FROM THE ANGER OF THE LORD!" Jer. 51:45

So, now, that Ashmore has left, we find him warning others through what appears to be some kind of prophesy of doom.  Run for your lives, he says in capital letters.  Now that I've left after 40 years of abusing people, You need to run like I did from the anger of the Lord.  Are we really supposed to run from the anger of the Lord?  How about Repenting and making things right with the Lord and the many people you hurt, JRA?  Come out of 'Her' my people.  What 'her' is he referring to? The whore is what he says later.  So now all of a sudden the ntcc is the Whore once he decides to leave for a bigger piece of the pie?

This Ex-Minister Flees the Great Whore of  NTCC to Follow The Great Ash-Whore: Out of the Frying Pan and Into the Fire.

"Thank God other ministers are coming to their senses and exiting the CULT!"

Now that you've decided to leave ntcc, it's all of a sudden a cult?  This whole paragraph sounds like much of it was plagiarized from the Xer blogs.  Thank God that "other ministers", (who cares about the church schlubs), are coming to their senses and exiting the cult, (in which I was an active leader of abuse for 40 years).  Thank God because now Ashmore can exploit them and use them to build HIS Cult's bank account from tithe and offerings.  You know, fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.  If you join up with this Exploiter of the Brethren, don't be surprised to find yourself just as broke and worn out as you were in the ntcc!

"We feel great sorrow for those who are still blinded by their sinister methods and for all the church members who still suffer mental and spiritual abuse under the KING KONG type ministries behind some of their pulpits."

That's enough to make my oatmeal hit the wall.  Wow, wow and double wow!  Those sinister methods?  Which sinister methods might those be James Ross?  The ones that cause mental and spiritual abuse?  Like the mental and spiritual abuse you caused to people like Lisa, Moreno, Ken and so many others that have such fond memories of how you abused them?  King Kong type ministries?  Really JRA?  What type of King Kong ministries might you be referring to? And why did you wait till RWD died before you got this revelation?  It seems awfully convenient that you hung around through all those abusive years and endured all of those sinister methods, and then just up and decided to leave after R-dub kicked the bucket?  SMH!

"Those who don't know what's going on are to be pitied for their ignorant continuance under the facade of a "holiness" organization."

Did you know what was going on during your 40 years of ignorant continuance under the facade of a 'holiness' organization?  What was your role in this organization during this 40 years of ignorance?  Do you really expect everyone to ignore your role in the ntcc and think that all of a sudden you've changed and now suddenly have everyone's best interest at heart even though you haven't admitted your role in the ntcc or taken responsibility for the many people you've hurt?

"We are hearing reports from many who have gone through hell on earth under the manipulative and controlling leaders they once trusted, only to find out later what they really were!"

Wow, James.  That's quite the narrative.  Where were you when all these reports were being issued about the manipulative and controlling leaders?  Many people once trusted you; I don't suppose that you put anyone through hell on earth, did you Jim?  We would ask the Moreno family; but you put them through such hell on earth they are now dead because of it!  "Only to find out later what they really were?"  Really?  What were you?  What are people finding out right now about what you really were?  It seems like you chose to be part of this bunch for 40 years until RWD died and there was no place for you among them any more.  Is that why you decided to 'run for your life'?!

"Spouses have been recycled under the sinister notion that one should leave and divorce their spouse if said spouse LEAVES the GROUP (even if they are still serving God!)"

Sounds like you've been reading our blog again.  Is this a new revelation about the spouses that were recycled?  What did you do for those spouses while you were in Board meetings witnessing the pressure that was being put on some of these families that made one person leave and another stay?  Who helped enforce this sinister notion, or who turned a blind eye to it for 40 years while so many families were destroyed?  Can you hear me now?

This String of Ntcc Ministers being Led by Ashmore are Walking out of the Ntcc and Into the Jesus Revival Ministries to Follow Ashmore who's Eyes were Opened After Forty Years of Walking Around Blind in Egypt, Or did he Really Have his Eyes Open the Whole Time?

"The Day of wrath awaits these "blind leaders of the blind" and may all whose eyes are opened flee this Whore while there is still time!"

It's a good thing that you were the only one that was pleasing in God's sight during your 40 years in the ntcc.  I guess the day of wrath is going to pass over you just because you left.  Were you not a blind leader of the blind yourself? Or were you different than all of your ntcc buddies?  When you make the recommendation that all whose eyes are open, 'flee this Whore', are you referring to the ntcc or its current leaders?  Were they considered to be a Whore while you were holding the bag and some of the highest offices and perks in the organization?  When did they become a Whore, after you left?

I'm not buying it.  I would have believed you if you would have left and sought forgiveness from the many people that you have hurt; but I'm not buying it now.  Instead it seems like you weren't getting the praise and payroll from kekel that you expected after davis departed.  It sounds like you weren't getting your piece of the pie, so you took your ball and went home.  Now you want to drag a bunch of duped ministers to follow you so you can continue to exploit them and won't have to work.

A Letter To J.R. Ashmore

Very recently I wrote a letter to J.R. Ashmore's Facebook account. To be fair to him it was sent just yesterday to his James Ashmore's Facebook account; and because we are not Facebook Friends these types of letters can go unnoticed and they go into a Message file that's labelled as "Other" messages, as opposed to going into the regular "Inbox" message file. At the time of this post it doesn't appear to have been read yet by JRA; which I don't hold against him. I do think that the letter needs to be public, however; and I also believe that the questions that I asked are questions that many people have and deserve to know the answers to.

The first set of questions that I asked were in reference to finances; which I believe everyone has a right to know, even people who aren't current members now, but that might be considering attending JRA's Jesus Revival Ministries in the future. I'm trying to be objective in this letter and allow him to address the questions that we might have. We've all been burned really bad in the ntcc; and James Ross Ashmore was a high ranking Board Member of that group that we all respected. I held JRA in very high regard even after getting out and during part of the time that I was blogging until some really bad allegations came out against him; at which time we started blogging about him.

Some very good friends who we respect a lot have recently suggested that we should not be so hard on him; because he, much like us, was also under the same brainwashing just at a higher level. We see a major difference. Ashmore had been a Board member of NTCC since it's inception in 1987 and was a Board Member of NTCC's predecessor, NTCG, since 1975. Basically Ashmore became the Secretary Treasurer of NTCG, replacing L.G. Parsons, presumably after allegations of Davis having an affair with Parson's wife caused a split in which the bible school relocated to 2170 Forest Ave. Since Ashmore was such a heavy hitter for NTCG/NTCC, and was privy to much more info than us average church schlubs, we have a very hard time with this simplistic brainwashing theory. Ashmore helped mold these organizations, sitting on the Boards and giving his approval to their doctrines and actions. As a result of his and other Board Members' actions (or lack thereof) most of us have paid very high prices for our ntcc experience.

Additionally, from all accounts, James Ross Ashmore has profited financially and seems to be very well off in his new church. This is remarkable when compared to the commonplace poverty endured by other long-time ntcc ministers. At any rate, I wanted to invite him to answer questions that I have and also any questions that you might have. I would appreciate it if people refrained from name calling for the purpose of being objective. If any of James Ashmore's current members or current supporters would like to say anything in his defense, they are also welcome to do so. I realize that I have been one of his biggest critics; and I have sided on our blog with people that have accused him of some pretty bad things.

In the second section of this letter I have asked him questions relating to the alleged misconduct that others have brought forth and these allegations are concerning Moreno, Lisa Norton and Lori Kelley, Kenneth McPherson and Julie St. Clair. I'm using maiden names because the incidents that involved these people happened a long time ago and the alleged involvement of James Ashmore occurred during that time period. It's been shared that you can't expect someone to go public about things that could implicate them in what may be considered criminal activity, but David did, and he was King of Jerusalem and God allowed him to keep his office. Perhaps if James Ashmore is sincere, God will do the same for him if he admits that he had a part in any of these incidents. My guess is that Ashmore probably won't address any of this. I would hope that he would address at the very least the first six questions that have to do with financial transparency. I feel that because of his position in the ntcc, which he refers to as "The Whore", he owes at least some honesty and transparency to the people who once followed him and believed in him in the ntcc. If anyone else has any questions for him they are welcome to ask in the comment section; however, I would not be surprised if he does not answer. I do want folks to consider that James Ashmore is now holding church services in a building that has a present real estate value of close to 1.5 million dollars and appears to be living in a very nice house which most likely is in an expensive area in San Diego, which is more of an educated guess on my part just from what I've seen from his Facebook videos recorded inside his house and the places he's filmed teaching. Is this wrong? I believe that he should be open about it with the people he formerly profited off of and with his current followers and members. The letter I wrote to him is verbatim as follows:

 We sent a message to James Ashmore's Commentary on
 Facebook asking for some simple answers.  Feel free to
 add your questions about why he left NTCC and started
 his own group that he calls Jesus Revival Ministries. 

Hello, just a friendly letter to say congratulations for leaving the ntcc, but after what we all went through it's pretty hard to believe that you have changed. I think it's great that you seem to have had a change of heart on the holiness movement which seemed more to be a doctrine of control than an indicator of faithfulness. By the way, this is Don and I'm sure you've heard of our blog and much of what we blog about. We run a blog to help folks that have been hurt by the ntcc. He have blogged about you extensively and I'm sure that is no secret either. We have close friends that have recently told us that you have changed and that we should not include you when we blog about the ntcc. Up until now, we have been very vocal about you because of the testimonies of not one or two or three witnesses but more than that. Some of the things that you were allegedly responsible for in the ntcc were terrible and definitely not Christ like. I understand that people can repent and that people can change and I would like to believe that about you and Helen, but I have seen no evidence of change. I have been telling folks that if you changed that they would see that change. We all were burned by the ntcc. We gave of our time, money and sweat until we had nothing else to give and we did it as unto the Lord, for nothing in return. Many were kicked to the curb and never visited one time after they left. Many paid their tithe faithfully and were loyal to every church function, every fellowship meeting and every conference but God forbid that we should ever ask or know where our money went. I'm trying to convince people that they should exercise caution before jumping on board with you because I don't see any difference. I want to give you a chance to answer if you will. I'm pretty sure you will just discount everything I say and chalk it all up to the devil and handle this in the same way that the ntcc would handle it.

I have to ask you a few questions and I hope you would answer them honestly before I am willing to believe that you changed at all, (which probably isn't much of a concern to you, but I thought I'd try anyway). The questions that I'm asking should not offend you if everything is right between you and Jesus. In the ntcc everything was done secretively and without transparency and we were all burned. I'm hoping that you are willing to be open and honest about these topics. If you do decide to answer any of these questions please give real answers and don't tap dance. Just answer them straight up. We think people have a right to know and a lot of our readers believe that they have a right to know also. Thank you.

1. Do you believe in or teach people to pay tithes? If you do, what New Testament Scripture do you use to justify it.

2. Do you believe that people have a right to know where their tithe dollars go after being burned for so long in the ntcc?

3. Do you believe that a preacher of the gospel has a moral obligation to be financially transparent?

4. If your church members are paying for your church rent and your home expenses, do they have a right to know how much of their money is going to support you?

5. Are you willing to go public with the financial information that we have asked you about so that former ntcc members that might be considering joining your church can trust you? We believe that a church leader's supporters should know how much money they spend at restaurants, while they sacrifice and budget their grocery bills to pay offerings and tithe to the church. They should know how much of their money goes into your transportation costs while they budget themselves to drive around in oil puking junkers to support their church leaders. They should know how much they are paying for your home and your church while they sacrifice to pay for their church leaders to live the good life. The ntcc leadership has always been secretive and they get very sensitive when you ask about where money goes.

6. Why is it that your blog is private? Shouldn't people that might be considering joining your church have access to the things you teach? Why the shroud of secrecy?

The above questions should be public information and should be available to anyone who attends your church especially if you are being supported by your church members. The following questions are for the victims of abuse that have reported you on our blog. We feel that they have the right to ask you these questions. If it were one or maybe two, I would consider that possibly they could have been lying, but there are too many that have come forward. Below is a list of questions pertaining to the more serious accusations.

1. Did you sexually abuse Julie in any way, did you touch her inappropriately, did you do anything that might be construed as sexual in nature? If you did, did you repent and ask God to forgive you and are you willing to attempt to make things right with Julie?

2. Were you involved in any way in the Phil Kinson Cover up that took place in Japan? Were you sent there to reprimand Roland Moreno or his Family in any way? Did R.W. Davis or Kinson or anyone tell you that Phil Kinson had Roland Moreno drive him to a whore house to retrieve his wallet? This incident resulted in one of the greatest tragedies in ntcc history. If you do admit to this, did you repent and ask Jesus to forgive you?

3. Did you do anything or say anything to Lisa Norton and Lori Kelly to run them off after Johnny Jordan got Lisa pregnant and R.W. Davis moved Johnny and Pam to Graham? Lisa and Lori both claimed that you called them sluts and whores from behind the pulpit after Davis influenced Barbara Norton to abandon Lisa and her special needs brother around Christmas time. If you did have a part in this did you repent? Did you ask God to forgive you and did you do anything to make this right with Lisa and Lori?

4. Did you know that Ken McPherson was raped by Johnny Jordan? Did you allow two confessing homosexuals to attend different churches while trying to run Ken out of the church? Ken says that he could do nothing right and that you criticized him and asked him to just leave the church, while people like Batson and Peters were protected by you. If you did treat Ken unfairly in anyway, did you repent and make it right with God or attempt to make it right with Ken?

Finally just between you and me, do you really believe in the blood moon doctrine that Meinecke is talking about? It hasn't been until very recently that people started calling Harvest moons, blood moons. He said that this past blood moon was the third of four and I looked it up and it's really the first of four, but to use something like a harvest moon to convince people that it's the end of times seems to be a stretch even for you.

 Some people try to use "Signs Of The Times" 'preaching'
 to frighten people into doing whatever the so-called
 'preacher' wants them to do. Don't be fooled!  Jesus
 plainly stated that only the Father in heaven knows
 when the coming of the Son of Man will be. 

Note To Our Readers:
Don't be misled by some who try to act like they know when the coming of the Son of Man will be. Jesus plainly stated that only the Father in heaven knows that:

But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Mat 24:36 KJV here

But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Mar 13:32 KJV here

Don't Fear Those Presumptuous Prophets:
When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that [is] the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, [but] the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. Deu 18:22 KJV here