BONCO (also spelled BUNCO, BUNKO, and BONKO) is defined as:
bun·ko (Source: Dictionary Reference)
(1) a swindle in which a person is cheated at gambling, persuaded to buy a nonexistent, unsalable, or worthless object, or otherwise victimized.
(2) any misrepresentation.
bonko (Source: Urban Dictionary)
(1) Used when showing an extreme amount of disgust; or disliking about something.
bun·ko (Source: Answers dot Com)
(1) A swindle in which an unsuspecting person is cheated; a confidence game.
(2) To swindle.
BUNCO (Source Merriam-Webster)
(1) a swindling game or scheme
Variants of BUNCO
bun·co or bun·ko
Examples of BUNCO
they were experts at that bunco, having fleeced wide-eyed tourists for years
Origin of BUNCO
perhaps alteration of Spanish banca bench, banking, bank in gambling, from Italian — more at bank
First Known Use: 1872
Related to BUNCO
Synonyms: fraud (or bunko), con, fiddle [chiefly British], flimflam, gyp, hustle, scam, shell game,sting, swindle
The game called BUNCO (Source Wikipedia)
There is a dice game that originated in England in the early 19th Century and was imported to San Francisco in 1855, where it gave it's name to gambling parlors or "Bunco parlors" and more generally to any swindle. During prohibition in the 1920's Bunco was re-popularized as a gambling game, often associated with a speakeasy. Law enforcement groups raiding these parlors became known as "Bunco Squads".
How fitting are those definitions? Seeing that many unsuspecting people were swindled out of their money and cheated out of their future, we have decided to share the truth with our readers. Hopefully ntcc'ers that are googling will stumble across this post and learn where their money really goes.
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| $$$ NTCC BONCO Mansions of Kekel (l) and Davis (r) $$$ Note the fences and gates across the road and driveways. Photo Above This Caption: View Looking West |
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| NTCC's Bonco Mansions and Bonco Rental Units Photo Above This Caption: View Looking West |
To see the mansions on this not-for-profit organization's land, one would have to drive a mile away to the top of a hill and take pictures with a camera that allows you to zoom in. Well we took such a trip and we have such a camera and we have some photos that we would like to share. Now our phone camera's didn't really do this justice because we had to go so far away to get a glimpse of these mansions; so the pictures are a little fuzzy. No doubt the location of the "Bonco" and the strategic placement of the mansions within the Bonco was chosen to keep the filthy rich leaders obscured from the prying eyes of the wondering public. Remember, this is a so-called "non-profit" organization that bunkoed or deceived or conned its people out of $millions$ saying that it was all going towards lost souls.
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| Kekel Mansion seen from afar - Note the white pillars in front. View looking westward. |
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| The Davis mansion as seen from afar - Mostly only the roof is visible. It is the highest structure. View Looking Westward |
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| NTCC BONCO - kekel kastle As Viewed When Looking East |
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| NTCC BONCO Davis Palace As Viewed When Looking East |
The Bonco is a double gated community with fences around it and not just anyone can drive into this cult compound. There is a secret code that must be entered in at the gate or someone has to be called and let you in. It has been said by those close to the borg leaders that if a person wanted to live in one of these houses, they would not be allowed to have their "sinner" family members visit them. I'm sure there are many other controlling rules that are in place also.
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| NTCC Bonco - A Double Gated, Guarded and Fenced |
We also took a video of this hidden community behind the fence.
BONCO NTCC VIDEO Click Here
Google Satellite Image Of BONCO:
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We also looked at the Bing Map Images for these coordinates. But the image is more dated and kekels' kastle does not show.
Here is that satellite image again (below), but including the neighbor's horse barn (the white structure) and some of the neighbor's horse pastures... This is the very pasture where we shot the video "In Memoriam - Maria Moreno". We did so because rodger wilson davis blasted Maria in a conference for stopping and admiring horses in a pasture while, in rwd's words, "Souls are lost and dying and on their way to hell." Now the day we shot that video the horses were in a pasture south of the barn. But had they been in the pasture north of the barn, davis would probably have a pretty good view of them from the back windows of his mansion, especially in the winter when the leaves are off the trees.... So is it davis who sits around in his mansion, looking at horses in a pasture while "souls are lost and dying and on their way to hell"? What a hypocrite davis is for blasting Maria Moreno from the pulpit to humiliate her in front of her peers in the conference!
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In Memoriam - Maria Moreno Video Click Here
Another creepy coincidence? The remains of ntcc murder victim Cori Lewis were recovered approximately three miles from the entrance to the ntcc Bonco.... Click here to read more.
Take The Tour of NTCC: Tour NTCCA Click Here
To Learn More About The Loss Of
The Moreno Family Click Here
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We also looked at the Bing Map Images for these coordinates. But the image is more dated and kekels' kastle does not show.
Another way to get a glimpse into the secret lifestyles of the infamous Borg leaders would be from the road bordering the rear of their mansions. Here is one photo of that view:
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| Back Side Of Bonco Mansion Bordering Horse Pastures |
We mention the horse pastures because davis blasted one lady, Maria Moreno, saying she should love souls as much as she loves horses. davis was accusing Maria of sinning because she paused and admired some horses while "souls are lost and dying and going to hell". This accusation by davis brought against Maria in front of hundreds of her peers at the ministers' conference had her in tears. We believe the borg leaders' constant bullying of the Moreno family and false doctrines contributed to that family's triple murder and suicide. (To read more click here for Newspaper article or for related blog posts click here.) We bring this up again because both the kekel and davis Bonco mansions border a property with a horse barn and pastures. Check out the Google Satellite Image below and the video to see what we are talking about. Be sure to read the full description of the video for more info.
View Map On Google
In Memoriam - Maria Moreno Video Click Here
Another creepy coincidence? The remains of ntcc murder victim Cori Lewis were recovered approximately three miles from the entrance to the ntcc Bonco.... Click here to read more.
Take The Tour of NTCC: Tour NTCCA Click Here
To Learn More About The Loss Of
The Moreno Family Click Here
33 comments:
Normally we wouldn't begrudge anyone for having nice things. That's one of the benefits of living in America. We can even except a church leader having nice things in some instances. Although America has been churched to death, we still believe that there are honest Pastors that exist to serve and care for people. We believe that such Pastors live their lives in such a way that they honor God. Instead of demanding sacrifice from their church members they would more than likely be the example of sacrifice to those that they are charged with. Instead of accumulating wealth by demanding the sacrifice of others, they would sacrifice what they have so others could benefit.
The ntcc is backwards and is a perfect example of how not to treat God's people. Davis has many tales of sacrifice that he has regaled all of us with. Is there anyone alive in this organization that can verify the last time Davis sacrificed anything? And even if he did sacrifice back in the 40's or 50's and nobody is alive that can verify those sacrifices, does that give him the right to live high on the hog off of the backs of others and have people wait on him hand and foot? I can see church leaders being taken care of when they become old, but what we have here is an outright absurdity. And what kind of sacrifices has Kekel made that warrant him living in the lap of luxury?
We are talking about cult leaders here. If you believe that they have accumulated their large amounts of wealth honestly you are a sucker. You and I and others like us have given to a program and our money was funneled up to these crooks so that they can have every single thing they want in life. They would have you believe that God has blessed them. They would have also have you believe that if you continue to support their insatiable appetites that you will be blessed by God, just like they are. They are nothing but gargantuan sponges that soak up everything in sight and have nothing to give back to the ones that got them where they are today. In fact if you don't kiss up to them, they will think nothing of squashing you like an insect.
What suckers we were and what suckers some of you still are. You have to ignore 90% of the New Testament to justify the outlandish lifestyles of Kekel and Davis, and you have to ignore all of the teachings of Jesus on love and compassion to sit back and watch these narcissistic, lying and thieving crooked swindlers take advantage of those that you consider to be brethren.
I wish somebody from the ntcc would have the testosterone to come on here and show us in the New Testament where anyone was encouraged to get rich off of the members of the body of Christ. But you won't because you can't. There is no justification and you are all spineless and fearful of the ntcc leadership. You are afraid to accept the truth. It's so much easier to believe a lie and to live a lie. We are not insulting you to make ourselves feel better, but we hope that you will take a closer look at your situation and realize that you are being used, and stand up for yourself so you can salvage whatever years of your life that haven't been taken from you.
NTCC is a Real Estate Company masquerading as a Church. Nothing more. All they do is combine the flamboyance of pentecostal preaching(and not very good preaching at that)with a sprinkle of Zig Ziglar,Napoleon Hill,Finis Dake,and some "word of faith" lectures. When I was younger, and much MUCH more naive I actually believed that R'Dub wrote all of that material himself. But, It turned out to be a bunch of BS (Don't anybody get all sanctified on me, I meant Baloney Sandwiches)I don't think he ever provided footnotes in the back of the pamphlet's or whatever it was that gave the authors credit. Of course, I thought that he had a bone-fide PHD also. When I met with Mike Kekel (With Tanya in tow, who came uninvited) about R'Dubs education, and pressed him hard on the matter, "supposedly" he "Did not know, nor did he care, because it was unimportant". I could get nothing but Clintonesque answers out of him for the 2 hours or so. And Tanya? What an absolute piece of work!!!!!!! She looks like the kind of person that has the ability to give somebody a good old fashioned "Country Cussing". My wife, who is a pretty good judge of character, made the comment afterwards she was very materialistic, and her only reason for being at the meeting was to defend the honor of her Daddy. The thing is, for all that money she is nothing but a puffy,swollen, bloated,loud,bawdy,overly opinionated preachers wife who wears her overly tight clothes and looks like a piece of sausage casing in them. I know that I've gone on record as being very harsh towards her, But she left a LASTING mark on me, and one I will never forget!
By the way, I enjoyed your photos, as well as the video's that you have provided concerning the NTCC empire. I hope that you-all do more in the future. Mark Perez and Ian Paul did a video of the Graham Compound back on Factnet. I don't know if you-all ever saw it, But it was really good. By now I'm sure it's been lost in cyber space forever, since it was around 2005 or so.
The expensive rv's, rolex watches, mansions, heated toilet stools, acres and acres of land, expensive vacations, private schools, BMW'S, big bank acount, What is it all for? Who are they trying to impress? Have ntcc lost it way? Have ntcc for gotten all the things that they onced preached against in the past? Have members of ntcc forgotten when davis use to preach against other preachers such as oral roberts, billy graham, jimmy swagget, and others for becomeing wealthy and selling out to the devil? What have gone wrong or have seemingly gotten them of track? so sad.
Mark G. said:
"When I was younger, and much MUCH more naive I actually believed that R'Dub wrote all of that material himself."
DnA said:
The ntcc provides us with a perfect example of Mathew 23:15:
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves."
Most of us had very little knowledge of the bible before we came in contact with the ntcc. The problem with cults like the ntcc, is that most of them use truths in the bible to lure people in and get people genuinely saved so that they can use them for their own greedy purposes. What is important to Davis is how he can use someone to benefit him. Because we had very little knowledge of the bible, many of us to include me, believed everything we were taught. In fact Davis, Kekel and the ntcc leadership targeted unlearned people so they could fill our minds with their own twisted version of Christianity. I'm not saying we were stupid, because many cult members have above average IQ's, but we didn't know the bible well enough to dispute any of their teachings. We hadn't been around the religious circles enough to know that most of their material was plagiarized. Kekel's blog consisted of a whole bunch of plagiarized material. He doesn't ever have any fresh messages from God because he is not a Christian and he does not treat people in a way that is consistent with Christianity, the bible or common decency. He condescends and dehumanizes folks to soothe his own conscience.
Mark G. said:
"The thing is, for all that money she is nothing but a puffy,swollen, bloated,loud,bawdy,overly opinionated preachers wife who wears her overly tight clothes and looks like a piece of sausage casing in them."
DnA said:
You had me roflol with that one. It's true, funny and sad. What amazes me about the whole fiasco, is that she dresses that way in front of all of the minions of the ntcc faithful that actually have bought into "holiness" as they were so brainwashed to do. They hold themselves to the strict standards they were taught, but they turn a blind eye to the appearance of her royal highness because they dare not point out the obvious. If any of the seminary women were to show up dressed like Tanya, they would be singled out for dressing like whores and would be publicly humiliated. I've seen this with my own eyes in servicemen's homes and with my own ears I've heard Davis preach it also. The rules only apply to people who are stupid enough to believe that they only apply to them and not to the ntcc board members.
I would much rather go to a church where people have love and respect toward one another and actually practice Christianity, then to attend a strict holiness church like the ntcc or the Amish. If the love of Christ is present in a church where men wear shorts and women wear pants, I'd rather be around them, than to be around a bunch of hypocrites that preach their own version of "holiness" doctrine but could care less about you unless you pay tithe to them. The same hypocritical nepotists will impose standards and ridiculous rules on the masses, enforced by public humiliation while the ones in the highest places transgress their own commandments right under the noses of their victims.
Mark G. said:
"By the way, I enjoyed your photos, as well as the video's that you have provided concerning the NTCC empire. I hope that you-all do more in the future."
DnA said:
Thank you Mark. There is more to come and whenever we get around to it we will publish it. Cults like the ntcc use repetition to instill obedience and to keep people under their sphere of control and influence. We also can play that game and use repetition to hopefully break that influence and control. It's hard to teach an old dog new tricks and the most effective way to get someone to leave the cult is to let people like Kekel and Davis treat people the way they treated long time members that have departed and many others that reach the boiling point and shake the dust off of their feet. People in the organization do read the blogs and when they do, they have to confront the reality of what we share.
It's a very difficult task especially when people are married and one of the brainwashed spouses are hell bent on staying in. Hopefully their love for each other will help them realize that their Christianity does not hinge on the ntcc.
Disappointed said:
"Have members of ntcc forgotten when davis use to preach against other preachers such as oral roberts, billy graham, jimmy swagget, and others for becomeing wealthy and selling out to the devil?"
DnA said:
You hit the nail on the head with that question. People in the ntcc have tunnel vision. They only see things the way they were influenced to see them and they fail to see the obvious hypocrisy around them. Davis and his band of blind following plastic replicas would always preach against other organizations and preachers. It's easy to find fault with anyone. They would capitalize on the failures of others to make them look like they were the only ones that were right.
The ntcc is like a bunch of big fat playground bullies that make themselves feel better by putting others down. They scare people into submission and take advantage of them.
In elementary school, when I was 8 or 9, in downtown Denver, I used to go to school with people like Davis and Kekel. They were bigger than me and they would corner me in the hallway and push me up against the wall and demand that I give them my lunch money. I would give it to them out of fear. Who wants to get their butt whooped over 55 cents. I sure didn't. But one day they just kept picking on me and they followed me all the way to my class room antagonizing me and trying to humiliate me in front of all the other kids. I finally got to a place where something snapped inside of me and I picked up one of the chair-desk combos and started wailing on them. After that day, they never asked me for my lunch money again and I had peace for a season in that hostile environment.
One day Kekel is going to get belligerent with the wrong person. If he is not careful, he will find himself in a situation that he can not handle. He has been known to criticize ministers and their wives sarcastically and if he is not careful he might cause someone to snap like I did when I was a kid. There are credible accounts of Davis being held at gun point for his indiscretions with another mans wife and we have actually spoken with eye witnesses that seen this take place. This is not a threat and I'm definitely not a violent person that would attempt such an act, but in the world we live in, it's amazing that people like Kekel and Davis haven't had their heads pounded in. There are a lot of people that would not allow the likes of Davis or Kekel to ridicule their wives or families in front of them.
They discredit other people, churches and organizations by putting them down. They practice this bullying on everyone and anyone that will listen. They tell their racial jokes and they mock people when their Christian commitment doesn't meet their standards. They are put to shame by other denominations even the ones they call cults.
Disappointed asked...
What has gone wrong or has seemingly gotten them off track?
Chief said...
Nothing... They were always "off track". That's the misconception. The misconception is that they were ever "on track". They weren't. We were all just suckers enough to believe at one time that they were on track but it was always just a scam. I know because I've read the testimonies of how RWD was when the NTCC began. He was the same crook then that he is now.
You see, people hate to admit that the NTCC was always corrupt. When people admit and rightfully conclude that the NTCC was always corrupt, they are admitting that they were in fact suckers. Most people don't want to admit that. I'll admit it, I was a sucker. Here better yet; a stupid, blind, ignorant dummy who believed a bunch of blowhards perpetrating to as prophets when there were not. Anyone and everyone else in the NTCC is the same; other than Davis and a select few others. They are geniuses. They may be cold and heartless (which they are) but geniuses nevertheless. Real-estate tycoons. If I didn't have a heart, (which I do) I could do the same to young, dumb, ignorant, gullible folks. I just don't have the heart.
Chief said:
"They were always "off track". That's the misconception. The misconception is that they were ever "on track".
DnA said:
Very good analysis. I've had the same opinion especially as of late. Every account we have of Davis confirms that he was messed up when he started the ntcc, and there is no reason to believe otherwise. People hold him in high regard fearful of saying anything against him. The "touch not mine anointed" scripture is used because people think that at one time he was right with God, but all accounts of RWD's history with the ntcc show that he was never a godly man. He claims that God called him to start the ntcc, but the organization has always been set up contrary any model that we see in the New Testament. Davis has always used people to acquire wealth and God has never called him to do that.
Since these blogs have started appearing, the leaders of ntcc have probaly started tighting up the ship. However its much much to late because the damage that have done to current and past members cannot be measured, some folks have lost alot and some have lost little but all have lost something because of the lies, and deceit by ntcc leaders. If a brother or sister have been truthfully called or anointed to be an evangelist then why dont they step out on faith and do what God has called them to do? They dont need ntcc to twist, and mislead them from preaching the truth or really caring for lost souls.
Disappointed said:
"Since these blogs have started appearing, the leaders of ntcc have probaly started tighting up the ship."
DnA said:
Rest assured, the ntcc has a strict rule against anyone participating in the blogs. All they have to do is blast people and tell them how everything we write is ungodly filth, and all of the workerbee ministers will pass that along to their 5 member congregations and pretty soon everyone in the ntcc knows it's an unforgivable sin to participate in the blogs. Before the blogs there was FACTNET and there were hundreds of ntcc'rs that would get on line and stick up for the ntcc. The problem was that they would get their butts handed to them by Xers. The positions that the ntcc takes are indefensible so they ended up looking really stupid. Even Kekel the cult leader used to get on FACTNET as "the Whirlwind" and he would make the ntcc look really stupid. Kekel also had a smog blog that was pretty active at one time, and he would write some ridiculous stuff on there and we would copy and paste a lot of his narcissistic comments and posts. He would get his butt handed to him very frequently and he started to delete the stuff he wrote because it made the entire organization look really stupid, even though they don't need a lot of help in that arena. People like Kekel can not help themselves because they are on a serious power trip. Even though they have enough money to buy anything they want, they are miserable inside when they are proven wrong in public. In Kekels dreamworld, he is always right and nobody is allowed to dispute him. That's how cult leaders and even communistic leaders require absolute control of their followers. While Kekel might be the king of his domain out there in Graham it burns him up on the inside that anyone would dare contradict anything he says. Once he begins to stew in his juices he gets extremely arrogant, hateful and he begins to say things that show his true colors. His rules for fools get exposed as phony and hypocritical.
LOL! DNA That last comment was hysterical!
Whenever my wife and I met with him,(Mike Kekel) he was the perfect gentleman. He was very respectful, and nice. When my wife and I "happened up" on RW Davis and his wife eating at the Black Bear Diner a few years ago in Phoenix he was very nice. He got out of the restaurant in a hurry, but he was nice to me. I have to say, I genuinely like Sister Davis. I always thought of her as a very sweet person. I know that there are people who have had some very critical things to say about her as well, and I respect that, But my experience with her was not bad at all. In her day, I thought that she was very pretty. Why her husband would look somewhere else is beyond me. OK, I'll shut up, because I could get into some trouble with what I want to say next.
Wolves in Sheep's clothing. The whole slew of them and that includes their wives. They can be as sweet as they want but they know their hypocrite husbands as well as anybody. In addition, they enable their hypocrite husbands. It's a front. I'd be sweet also if my husband and or daddy gave me an endless supply of cash to use during my daily shopping spree. I'd be especially sweet knowing that my endless supply of cash ultimately came from all the church members. Oh, I'd be real sweet. There is no way I'm getting ugly with my bread and butter. No Sir.
Give my husband an endless supply of money so I can go shopping whenever I want and I'll be real sweet also. God bless you brother, praise God all the way to the bank and the shopping mall. I'll even give you a big hug and press my boobs against you like Tanya does. Make you feel real good about parting with your hard earned cash. The NTCC scheme wouldn't work without the sweet harmless wives. That's what makes it all believable. The sweet wives and guys like Olson. They couldn't possibly be in on the whole scheme, right? Just keep smiling and raking in the dough for yet another day of shopping and run around saying yes sir to your husband. Who would suspect that?
Mark G. said:
"OK, I'll shut up, because I could get into some trouble with what I want to say next."
DnA said:
The saying goes, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all".
I, am beyond that, myself. I look at the RWD and VD as very sinister people. They are in it together and they both have caused a lot of needless pain and suffering. On more than one occasion, Verna has tried to drive wedges between wives and their husbands. I know for a fact that Verna with Tanya in tow has attempted on numerous occasions and has probably been successful at splitting up families by convincing women to leave their husbands. Now, Davis and Kekel and their wives might appear nice in public, but we know better than that.
The whole deception that they create is to appear as ministers of light. Verna was really nice to me and even hugged me at a conference. I'm grossed out at the thought of it now because I know how dark her soul is and how dark her husband's soul is. They are pretty heartless and I'm just being honest. The Davises and Kekels are not good people and there are a lot of people whose lives have been damaged because of them. The pictures in this post are clear evidence of what they are about.
I guess it's good to try to find the good in people but Jesus never had much good to say about the Pharisees, and that's how I see RWD, Kekel and their wives. They are nothing more than a bunch of side winding, forked tongued copperheads.
That's my opinion for what it's worth, but my better half might have more to add on this topic.
Well, here's the other half's opinion:
Behold, every one that useth proverbs shall use [this] proverb against thee, saying, As [is] the mother, [so is] her daughter. Ezek. 16:44
In our innocence we often assign good attributes to others long before we have proven them. But the bible says to Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 1 Thess. 5:21
We know we have to let go of the ntcc; because they are nnot good. They have turned their backs on God and He has witnessed against them as in Jer 2:27 ... for they have turned [their] back unto me, ... In fact, the remainder of that chapter is rather telling. Especially Jer 2:34-35 Also in thy skirts is found the blood of the souls of the poor innocents: I have not found it by secret search, but upon all these. Yet thou sayest, Because I am innocent, surely his anger shall turn from me. Behold, I will plead with thee, because thou sayest, I have not sinned. Sound familiar? *smh*
Sister Davis hugged you at conference? Wow, the fellowship is much, much different in that respect. Back in the day ANY kind of touching of the opposite sex was STRICTLY FORBIDDEN. My wife and I went to visit Ralph and Joan St.Clair a couple of years ago when we were in Washington and he gave my wife a hug upon leaving. I almost jumped out of my seat. Don't get me wrong, he didn't do anything wrong and I thought that it was a nice gesture on his part. Me and the St.Clair's go back a long,long way. Back to about 1978-79 or so. But back in the day, hugging of the opposite sex there was forbidden. Even to this day, because of what I was taught at NTCC it's been hard for me to hug a woman, even in a most casual way. I suppose it's all for the best though, because people can take the most well meaning of gestures and pervert them. Anyway....
Mark G. said:
"Sister Davis hugged you at conference? Wow, the fellowship is much, much different in that respect. Back in the day ANY kind of touching of the opposite sex was STRICTLY FORBIDDEN."
DnA said:
During my last few years in the organization, I was in pretty good favor with RWD and Verna or so it seemed. I was sort of like a Mascot to them it seemed like. "You've been around longer than dirt" Davis would say. We were fellowshiping after conference and unexpectedly while walking out, there was Verna with her entourage and she actually greeted me with a hug and a big plastic smile.
While hugging between opposite sex was frowned upon, none of the rules applied to the ntcc royalty. They could get away with anything. At the time that this occurred it never even dawned on me that rules were being broken and that hypocrisy was manifesting itself. I wonder how many people were run out on a rail for hugging members of the opposite sex. If Davis punched you in the arm, and he did that to me on different occasions, it was an honor to receive any kind of attention from him. We were brainwashed cult members. One time he punched me just hard enough in the right place in the gut and almost knocked the wind out of me. He'd have you gasping for your next breath, but we were dumb enough to see this as love.
Anonymous wrote,
"Wolves in Sheep's clothing. [...] Who would suspect that?"
DNA say,
This was a great comment! Right on the money (pun intended). It is easy to behave nicely when everything is going your way, all your bills are paid by somebody else, you don't work, you shop 'til you drop, play in Europe and Hawaii and have sunfilled winters in Arizona. No problem. The real character comes out though when the ntcc cash flow is threatened. That's when you'll see their truly ugly colors and claws. Sad but true. The borg was and is just a front to get money and power. Touch those gods (idols) and the wicked nature of the "organization's" (borg) leaders will show itself. The wool coats will drop from the wolves and you'll hear them growling and howling about their money and their power.
1 Corinthians 13:1-8 shows alot of what ntcc leaders are missing and lacking.(CHARITY) However he has led and showen his followers how to become wealthy off the backs of the unsupecting.
Davis has led and shown his followers how to get wealth off the backs of the unsuspecting (MY BAD)I really need to get myself a Webster.
DnA although i can't remeber ever meeting you guys, i was a member/student of ntcc 1978-1984. I really thank you for your work in trying to shine a light on ntcc in hopes that others will think twice before getting involved with ntcc.
Disappointed said:
"DnA although i can't remeber ever meeting you guys, i was a member/student of ntcc 1978-1984. I really thank you for your work in trying to shine a light on ntcc in hopes that others will think twice before getting involved with ntcc."
DnA said:
I started attending in the fall of 83 during AIT. The first conference I went to was in St. Louis in 84 while stationed at Ft. Bragg. I invited my wife out to church in the late spring of 90, and even though we both wanted to get married, we were separated and driven in different directions by the manipulative ntcc control mongers and future board members, Nichelle and David Tieman. We ended up getting in touch with each other 20 years later and we've been married for 2 1/2 years now, making up for lost time.
We keep this blog going in hope that it will get through to people in the ntcc and that the words of all the contributors like yourself will help people realize that they are wasting their lives in the ntcc. We also hope that people that google the ntcc to find out if they are a legitimate church will glean enough info from this and other websites to realize that they would be throwing their lives away by joining the ntcc.
We appreciate your participation in this blog and we definitely enjoy your comments. You have brought up a lot of great subjects that have evoked some great responses.
Went to this cult back in the 90 with my now ex husband ted gapinski( who went back there after a period of timeout) and agree 100 % with you. Every single day me and my children eat mac and cheese and if we were lucky, once in a while we could afford hot dogs. One day mac and cheese with ketchup other day with mustard you get the drift. One time mc donalds had the burgers on sale for a few cents and it was pure luxery that he actually bought us some.A burger never tastet this good. All because the money he made working went to the cult. He was allways in a rush, barely ever home after work we had to tippetoe around him and I was the devil this and the devil that. I was never saved and the first one to admit this and never pretendent to be saved or a Christian no matter how hart some womans tried to get me saved. I admit I was rebelish. I was upset that we had nothing but mac and cheese day in and out while this so called wanna be pastor preached about how he took his wife the night before to apple bees and how big the steak was. Back then I never even had the taste of a steak before,This turned me so far of the church I knew I will never be saved I was to bitter in my heart. I found most of the people in this cult fake as fake can be. For example: Wannabe davis told a not funny joke, nobody laught because I assume most of us did not get it that it was suppose to be a joke.He then yelled it was suppose to be a joke people and all of sudden every body laught and clapping their hands like it was the funniest thing they ever heard. I was disgustet and wanted nothing but leave. His fav words all Christian pay tithes if you don't pay your tithes you are stealing from Gawd. It still rings to this day in my ears. To me it was a joke that all of this pastors pretendet to give their tithes and bills to the offering basket when in truth it went right back to the church and into their pockets.
Hi Kerstin, Thanks for your comment. You really did a good job describing a typical ntcc church, preacher, and marriage. The sad thing about all that is that it has little to do with real Christianity. Jesus died to set us free from sin and that we might have life more abundantly. Why would God give us gifts and talents like brains and hearts if He didn't want us to use them? If you are smart enough to earn the money, aren't you smart enough to figure out how to spend it? The ntcc does nothing but bring people into bondage to men and slavery to a system. God said where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But ntcc is the opposite- man-made rules that bind people and turn sincere seekers away from God.
How can you believe God is love when a church binds such a heavy burden on the man who says he loves you that he turns into an abusive tyrant? That is not of God. Continued below.
God came to set the captives free; but ntcc is a craftily devised system that enslaves people. While every-day members and front-line workers struggle to meet the pressures of working on a low paying job that fits into the overly demanding ntcc schedule and they have to pay all the church bills out of pocket plus care for their families, the fat cats who run ntcc get richer and richer. The pictures here tell the tale of where your grocery money wound up! It is sickening because the ntcc has misrepresented God. We are sorry that you suffered on account of them They really do more harm than good. Jesus never went around calling people devils. In fact, the devils knew Who He is and He would cast them out of people. The only ones that Jesus rebuked were the phony religious hypocrites. Continued below
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.John 8:44
Now look at this verse:
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.John 10:10 Which half does the ntcc fall into? They steal. They kill. They destroy. God gives life. He died so we could live, not so some fat cats could get rich by putting us down, calling us bad names, breaking up families,...
The good news is that you can read here and know that you are not alone. We too saw what was wrong with ntcc. For some like us, it took a long time for us to stop blaming ourselves and realize that it is the ntcc that is wrong. For others, they left God when they left ntcc. We understand why they felt that way. Especially if that was the only church experience they had.
But we can say with 100% accuracy, God is not like the ntcc phonies. He really does love unconditionally. He really did die on a cross so we could live.
Boy, Oh Boy, Kerstin. You really got me thinking about all of this! Folks might not get on here and comment, but we are all reading it nodding our heads saying, Yup, Yup, That is EXACTLY how it is in NTCC! Mac n Cheese and Ketchup, Mac n Cheese and Mustard. LOL! But it's really not funny. It's pitiful. And we were not being wasteful. The so-called 'leaders' of this so-called non-profit - they are the ones who are wasteful! They buy whatever they want, whenever they want; and they are using your money to do it! Just look at the photos in this post. They should have an open house of those mansions so you can see where your grocery money went! Don't you know, tanya reynolds davis kekel needed another mansion with a jacuzzi and hottub and oh boo-hoo the walk in closes isn't as big as the walk-in closet in her last mansion...
Are you kidding us? Then davis has the gall to lie about people who get sick of the hypocrisy and leave ntcc. And davis tries to tell everyone that they left because "that man loves a house more than gawd" SERIOUSLY? That describes davis. Look at all the real estate he controls. DUH!! HELLO!!!
The ntcc members really should stop giving money to that bunch. If the ntcc refuses to give a report they should not be trusted with the money. That is simple common sense. Believe me, ntcc counts every dime. They need to report that to the members: How much comes in. How much goes out. What is spent on. Who decides. Who has access. Don't give them a dime if they aren't willing to show that. They are hiding something if they refuse to give you straightforward honest answers about ALL the money, reimbursements, benefits, real estate, and other assets. Don't be foolish. Use the brains God gave you. Require accountability or leave.
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Okay. That's it for us for now. Time to get some shut eye! Good Night, Folks!
kerstin straub said....Every single day me and my children eat mac and cheese and if we were lucky, once in a while we could afford hot dogs. One day mac and cheese with ketchup other day with mustard you get the drift. One time mc donalds had the burgers on sale for a few cents and it was pure luxery that he actually bought us some.A burger never tastet this good.
Oh I can so relate to this. I remember eating the same things over and over in NTCC as a kid then as an adult. It makes you hate that food with passion. Eating hardly nothing but yet having to give to the "man". I remember at one point having only rice and powdered milk in the house to eat for days. It was luxury to have sugar to put on the rice not because there was no money but the money was going to pay for a building.
Kerstin I really appreciate seeing your comments. Thanks!
Hugs,
Julie
When Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, was there any attempt by NTCC to provide support for those affected to include their own church members?
Has NTCC provided Typhoon relief for the Philippines just like this (http://www.mtw.org/Pages/DisasterPhilippines.aspx)?
I am not sure if there is anyone with that information.
Giving to any Charity other than the ntcc is frowned upon by the ntcc leadership. In their statement of beliefs they require all tithe to go to headquarters and none of it to be used for charity.
In the aftermath of Katrina the NTCC moved their church from Louisiana to Memphis and bought a $600,000.00 church building. They probably got an insurance settlement and rather than staying in the community and helping their own hurricane victims they took the money and ran, investing it in something that would benefit the Organization and it's leaders. Who cares about the church members who were too poor to move to Memphis.
Now the church in Memphis is being led by the hireling Crain who stands out on the street with a puppet trying to get people to come to his church.
The ntcc has never really cared much for any kind of Charity and if it was up to Davis or Kekel not a dime would go outside of the ntcc. All other charities have always been spoken against by the ntcc hierarchy and many of it's pastors.
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