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Please note that this lowest picture is a 2003 eight year old motor home for only
$230,000
Something newer, bigger, swankier, such as the ntcc 'leaders' will be driving, will cost much, much more!
There are eight (8) motor home slabs at the ntcc national campground and in the past (during the nineties) all eight slabs were occupied and three (3) additional motor homes, driven by olson, johnson, and davis were parked up at the Lodge on the slab behind that building.
That is a total of ELEVEN (11) MOTOR HOMES.
And remember, "If you have to ask how much it costs, YOU can't afford it."
But ntcc can. They just 'can't' afford to = "won't give any of gawd's money to the poor!!!" ??? Hello!
But ntcc can. They just 'can't' afford to = "won't give any of gawd's money to the poor!!!" ??? Hello!
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ntcc Missionaries Suffer Poverty While Board Members Live In Luxury Part_1 Link:
ntcc Missionaries Suffer Poverty While Board Members Live In Luxury Part_2 Link:
13 comments:
Those are the exact models of cars and pictures of the RVs that they use. Those RVs are as much as a house, let's say $100,000, then that means that they have spent at least $500,000 just on these gas guzzlers. You might get 8 miles to the gallon and you're going to travel all over the country for God and burn up tanks of gas. That's not an efficient use of money at all.
Then the BMWs are probably $30-50,000 cars as well, plus the premium gas, maintenance and additional insurance costs.
These expensive toys that for years the ntcc has purchased for its board members, writing them off as "business expenses" are only a drop in the ntcc money bucket.
The fact that they unabashedly parade their wealth tells us there is much more money flowing around, "unhindered, unaccountable, and unstoppable" behind the ntcc closed doors of finances.
How they qualify as a "non-profit" is a mystery to us. If members actually had a clue how much money ntcc has and gives to its board members, the members would start to wonder why they tie knots in their underwear to keep them on -- true story of a ntcc mother who was scrubbing ntcc toilets with her bare hands (inside the bowl with a scrubby-sponge) because she loves God and couldn't even afford to buy herself underwear that fit or $1/pair gloves to protect her hands; so instead she was tying knots in her panties to keep them from falling off her and scrubbing with her red bare hands! When the wealthy hireling for a pastor found out about her plight, he wrinkled his nose in disgust. Never cracked open his wallet or any ntcc funds to help. Bet that woman's family paid their tithes though, and gave in every offering yada yada yada. So sad.
Meanwhile tonya kekel eats 'bon-bons', does not clip coupons, and contemplates which $2,000 antique secretary desk she wants to buy; but she is too busy to go soul-winning... and the Philippines is too "filthy" for kekel to go there and work. Just wrinkle the nose at them Filipinos.
It's okay for you to sacrifice; but they get 'the best' Ahem.
What is ntcc really all about?
Open your eyes and minds and hearts. You will see the sad truth for yourself.
Don and Ange
They jeer and deride other ministries, but what did NTCC do during Katrina or Haiti? Ran away while other churches and organizations helped people out. They don't want to get their hands dirty, but God knows who is really working for His kingdom.
Anonymous said,
"They jeer and deride other ministries, but what did NTCC do during Katrina or Haiti? Ran away while other churches and organizations helped people out. They don't want to get their hands dirty, but God knows who is really working for His kingdom."
Don and Ange say,
That is worth repeating and re-reading! It's typical ntcc double-standards, just as you described what they do - mocking other churches, but never lifting a finger to help.
And for those few exceptions like Briggs in Pasadena opening up his building to be used as a distribution center after Ike hit that area, THAT was probably initiated and run by Briggs without the ntcc's prior (or later) approval.
Face it, helping people costs money. ntcc can't afford to do that. Money is obviously the ntcc's god. If you cost them money, you are not welcome there. If you bring in money, you will be praised even if you are the biggest reprobate. As long as ntcc can avoid a law suit, they will hide your dirt and keep you around no matter what sin you are guilty of. But if you even appear to be in a position of costing them money, you will be gone.
ntcc cannot suffer you to touch their true god, mammon.
Don and Ange
You are right! Churches today that are living/growing/exciting are those actually finding good to do in the community! Not just playing Christianity- but yes- doing the real works of charity! Not like NTCC! We know NTCC hates the poor, feeble minded... (oops! that would mean they hate themselves, 'feeble minded' oops!)
Maybe like those in Revelation 3 (read it) who appeared RICH and FULL were empty! and really poor by Jesus' own standards! wow! the Bible is really true when it condemns the hypocrites. Jesus said HE WOULD PUKE THEM OUT!
double-D said:
"You are right! Churches today that are living/growing/exciting are those actually finding good to do in the community!"
Don and Ange said:
I guess when you are "God's last move on earth" and you think that God only moves in your church and among the people that you brainwash, there is very little room for the poor and despised of this world. I'm glad that Jesus had room for these types of people because that is the category I fell into after leaving the ntcc.
After the ntcc is done with you and has used you up for all you are worth, you become nothing more than a proverb and an admonition. Not only do they not care for the poor and despised but many of them care very little about anything but their own wealth and circle of friends. Do you think they really love you? Do you think it matters what happens to you or your family? If they split up your family by running off the so called "unbelieving spouse and children" because one person questions their hypocrisy, they will absolutely drive a wedge if they can. When both husband and wife can't be persuaded to leave the other, they are both ran off. It happens all the time and there are many that can testify that it happened to them.
Their money is going to perish with them and they are not going to be able to take their mansions and motor-homes with them. I take no pleasure in saying these things and we wish no evil upon anyone but when money is your god, you become an idol worshiper and you despise the ones that God came to save. This is what is going on in the ntcc.
People think they are part of something special and then years down the line they are forced to choose between the true God and the ntcc. It's very diffiCULT to co-exist as a Christian among the leadership of the ntcc. Eventually you find yourself making concessions. You cross lines that you never in a million years thought you would cross and you do it for a man.
I think God has mercy on many that are spinning their wheels in the ntcc because even though they are not able to reach His potential and do what Christ did for others, He knows that they are trapped. It seems like the majority of X-ers find comfort in God and this is true for many that I know. There are people that get so tired of going through the motions that they just get fed up and go headlong into sin. That's what I did and it was a dark chapter in my life, but although I was taught in my mind that there was not hope for me outside of the ntcc, I never felt like God had forsaken me. I don't believe that there are very many people on this planet that God forsakes. I don't believe that God or Jesus sit up on their thrones and say, "Oh, too bad, another person left the ntcc, lets take their name off of our list and forsake them for all eternity". I'm so thankful that God doesn't have that critical attitude. I guess when you are rooted and grounded in the love of money it becomes easy to write people off and sear your conscience.
The sad thing is that the X-ers probably care more and pray more for those in the ntcc than the leadership does. We do not want folks to leave the ntcc and go into sin and forget God. We also do not judge anyone that leaves and has problems adjusting or lives their lives contrary to ntcc teaching. Most of what they taught was a stretch and was taught for the purpose of control.
Don and Ange
The NTCC must have at least $10-15 million dollars in real estate in Graham alone. You start factoring in church and personal properties throughout the US, overseas, their campground and other assets (e.g. RVs) and you might be closer to $25-30 million.
Anonymous said,
"The NTCC must have at least $10-15 million dollars in real estate in Graham alone. You start factoring in church and personal properties throughout the US, overseas, their campground and other assets (e.g. RVs) and you might be closer to $25-30 million.
Fri Apr 22, 01:51:00 PM"
Don and Ange say,
Now you know why they fight so hard against the Xers eXposing the truth about them... ntcc wants to protect their a$$et$!!
Any scandal that comes to light could devalue their property. Any one who sues and wins could take a serious chunk out of those a$$et$.
Real estate is definitely davis' idea of making money. So he has built his empire around that.
We think your estimation is low. (no offense.)
Look at those two hotels on the campground parked not even two miles from the Mark Twain Lake's South Fork. That could be turning some real profit if they went commercial!
The whole camp could be rented out as a convention center or used by other churches for their conferences. Can you say cha-ching?
As for the other properties all over the world: Just think of all the work the typical ntcc minister does improving whatever building he is in. Once he gets it improved, ntcc moves him out, moves a 'dud' in, closes the church, then sells the building for a profit??? All the escrowed money disappears. All the building improvement pledge funds disappear.... WHERE DOES THE MONEY GO???
We think to be a non-profit, the ntcc should be REQUIRED TO DISCLOSE ALL FINANCES!!!
It's a simple and reasonable request.
Don and Ange
Anonymous said...
and you might be closer to $25-30 million.
Jeff said...
Are you kidding me? It's probably more like $100 - $200 million. I think your estimate was way off.
Jeff
We agree Jeff. Real-estate assets that are mostly paid for tally up very fast and knowing how long they have been at it we'd have to say you are right and it might be even higher toward 1/2 billion mark if you consider liquid and non-liquid assets.
Buying crystal in Europe? More likely managing tax-free Swiss bank accounts!
Anonymous said:
"Buying crystal in Europe? More likely managing tax-free Swiss bank accounts!"
Don and Ange said:
Of course they are going to make a quick stop at their swiss bank to "beef up" the accounts a little bit. The davises and the kekels are real tycoons. They probably have a bunch of money tied up in off shore accounts in the Cayman Islands and all over the place so they don't have to pay taxes on it.
The statement in the original body of this post: ntcc ... "won't give any of gawd's money to the poor!!!" is a reference to one woman's testimony about what made her decide to leave ntcc: Here is a portion:
"1. There was a lady (I’ll call her Sue) who we had been working with to get out to church. Sue finally came one Sunday night and heard Rev. Davis preach. And unfortunately she heard him relate a story about how a poor man had come to him asking for a “handout.” And she heard Davis boom over the pulpit, “I’m not going to give him any money! That’s God’s money!” Sue didn’t say anything that night. But the next time we visited her she asked us, “Just what does he do with God’s money?” And we honestly didn’t have an answer for her. You see, we had been taught not to bring homeless people to church. There was a minister we knew who was bringing a woman to church and she dared to ask if maybe the church would be able to help her out a little. Do you know what that minister did ? He stopped the car and dropped her off in the parking lot of another church! The current NTCC members can deny this all they want, but we were specifically taught not to bring homeless or weird or crazy people to church. It could be that they might be a distraction to others there. And while we were taught not to bring “undesirable” people to sit down front, there were rows in the front that actually had “reserved” signs on them for the “chosen” few. Now correct me if I am wrong, but this seems to be a direct contradiction to James "
There was much more shared by this woman who attended the ntcc bible school. We will furnish a link later to more of her testimony.
Don and Ange
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