I know I'm getting old and sometimes the possibility of dementia creeping in is a scary thought but are you kidding me? When all else fails it's time for the ntcc to have workshops about ministry related topics such as music, choirs, PA systems, Church Admin, Children's Church and more! These sound like very exciting times in the ntcc. Let's pack up our oil puking junkers and drive a couple thousand miles to Washington so they can give us campus tours and hand out information packets for potential students and aspiring ministers. Excuse me a second while I ram two fingers deep into my throat so I can puke at the thought of what the ntcc has turned into. While these people are continuing down this path of compromise and activities I guess that God is going to have to move through another organization and raise up another man so that His gospel of Christ being lifted up and glorified can be preached. It's just not happening any more in the ntcc.
In all fairness, I guess there's nothing wrong with skits and workshops, but come on! This is the very thing that Rev. Davis and Ashmore used to preach about. Worldliness and religion. If we can't get our numbers up by preaching old time salvation through the blood of Christ let's do something new. Activities, tours, skits, demonstrations and workshops and at the bottom of the list is prayer meetings. It's gonna be awesome!! It's gonna be fun!! It's gonna save you money on food and hotel expenses? Please explain this one to us mIke. Are you going to open up your homes and motor homes to church members so they can have a place to camp out? Or is attendance so far down that the dorms are empty? If for no other reason, come to conference because Washington is beautiful.
What really gnaws at my gizzard is the final disclaimer in this announcement. "Some things listed above are subject to change but the date and place of the conference is confirmed". That's just wonderful. You mean we are going to pack up our crayons, construction paper and scissors and drive all the way to Washington just to find out that the agenda has changed? You are going to lure us thousands of miles out to Graham in hopes of seeing skits and demonstrations, just to do what, take up a bunch of offerings? When will you realize that it's not working anymore? You can't change the house of God into a theater and expect people to come from all around to see skits and demonstrations. Or maybe you can if you are a cult and your members are so brainwashed that they don't know the difference anymore.
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18 comments:
I have a great idea Mike but I'm not going to send it to your email because we all know that you frequent these eX-er blogs quite a bit.
For a skit, you can dress up like count dracula and count the money taken up in each offering that you have sucked out of the wallets of your brainwashed victims.
Be prepared ntcc'rs. There is going to be a huge push for cash in this next conference. The flailing cemetery, I mean Seminary, is going to open up its doors to the rest of the organization so they can beg for your support and contributions. The money that you would normally spend on food and hotels is going to be required to keep the big ntcc ship afloat.
What's next, a bake sale?
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I was a little slow this time but now I know what people are talking about. I didn't understand what Bro Johnson was talking about over on the other blog. Oh this is definitely a push to promote the NTCS. Workshops about ministry related topics such as music, choirs, PA systems, Church Admin, Children's Church and more? What next?
Classes on hair curling / burning?
Budget second hand clothing store shopping?
How to wear jewelry without it being considered wearing jewelry?
What nail polishes are considered the "wrong" color?
Why it was ok for Jesus to wear a beard but not you?
When it's ok to wear makup and when it's not?
How to put up insulation without itching too bad?
How to become an NTCC professional sheet-rocker.
How to buy real-estate and rent it to your church members for maximum profit?
How to buy used cars and sell them to your church members?
How to play the piano in five easy steps so you can sound just bad enough to make your congregation cringe every time you sit behind the keyboard?
How to have your wife sing anyway when everyone knows she has no vocal skills so she can be embarrassed in front of everybody.
I am so totally disgusted that I was ever involved with the NTCC. All that stuff that we heard preached against for years is done. Hey there is nothing wrong with the change if it weren't for the fact that we were all placed in hell had we maintained this same so called worldly mindset. Workshops. RWD made a mockery about events such as "workshops" and everyone has heard him do it.
Jeff
Jeff, you said it! Can we get an "Amen!" up in here? This is definitely the ntcc trying to
RECRUIT NEW SEMINARY STUDENTS!
These campus tours were
FORBIDDEN and PREACHED AGAINST
during our tenure in the ntcc!
ntcc is shrinking in s$$ize; so now they must try new desparate recruiting tactics like hauling folks out to the Graham COMPOUND, oops, campus to try and bolster their number$$s...
Holy Baking! hmmn... Bake sales are probably next indeed. They might even try to recycle some of the freebies they get from Fred Myers, just put on some new icing and no one will know [wink].
Blech!
Don and Ange
Maybe "mikey" could add THIS to the Spring Conference "Workshops" and "Skit List"! ?? !
Just a thought.
Break out the Srabble and Monopoly boards because this is going to be an awesome conference. You will have so much fun. We know that the conferences in the past have been boring so we have come up with some progressive ideas that are sure to draw people from the four corners of the world to "Rodger's Realm". Little by little, the ntcc is going to make things funner and maybe after all of the workshops, demonstrations and skits we might have time to squeeze in a quick prayer meeting. Pretty soon we'll be able to install a roller coaster in Graham, but we'll have to take up an offering for this and bring in the building crew. Since we are non-profit, we can save money by removing the safety features, who needs them anyway when we have God.
It'll be just like that little pig in the Gieco commercial that goes weeeeee all the way to the ground, I mean home.
Ha! Ha! Ha! Good article Don and Ange.
How ‘bout this one...conference is "voluntary of course" but NTCC's official site shares, "We're looking for a great time in God, and we all NEED (emphasis his) to be there." Ha! Ha! Ha! Sounds like ‘policy’ to me.
Let the Countdown Begin! Ha! Ha! Ha! Blah, blah, snore.
How ‘bout a workshop on ‘church PA systems’. Most NTCC churches can only afford a 'mister microphone', or are so small none is needed. So what is the workshop for, to showcase and brag ‘bout what NTCC Graham has? Ha! Ha! Ha! I’ll save my money and google it.
We already know what NTCC Graham has, "...ideal facilities since 1999, a large unpaid staff of trained workers, people contracted/required to pay tithe, and the man who knows ‘how to do it (Pastor Davis)’ local and available during this entire time."
And they only have 800 after 11 years, and counting many people twice. Ha! Ha! Ha!
What a flop. If any of us had all the advantages Graham has, and weren't running at least 5,000 after 11 years we would be labeled a failure, and moved to another work, or recalled to Graham for more 'training'. Ha! Ha! Ha! So much for Pastor Davis’ grand vision of the NTCC mega-Church.
Demonstrations? What can they demonstrate (see previous paragraph)? How to eyewash; how to kiss a minor? Ha! Ha! Ha!
Or, maybe demonstrations in ‘NTCC speak’ for picketing the internet. Ha! Ha! Ha!
Skits? Ha! Ha! Ha! The cross country drive may be worth it for this alone.
A workshop on church admin? On accounting? On paperwork? Management? Business/Busyness? Ha! Ha! Ha!
A Children’s Church workshop? They just had a whole conference on this a few years ago. Ha! Ha! Ha!
A campus tour? Does this include the Library? You can see the whole thing by driving on the OK highway, or by watching the video an Exer has posted online. Ha! Ha! Ha!
A workshop on music? Choirs? I didn’t know there were any bluegrass choirs. Ha! Ha! Ha! Maybe NTCC could call this conference ‘stillmoredamagecontrolgrass’.
Save money? Ha! Ha! Ha! How do you save money by spending it? Plan on staying with someone? You have to get permission to stay with someone (even family) during Conferences.
Food and fellowship? We have that at our local church, and don’t have to drive across the country to get it. Ha! Ha! Ha!
Services? Teachings? Prayer meetings? (see previous paragraph) Ha! Ha! Ha!
Since when does NTCC consider “music, choirs, PA systems, Church Admin, Children's Church” Ministries? Ha! Ha! Ha!
Because Washington is beautiful? Because it’s going to be awesome? Because of all the great things going on? Ha! Ha! Ha!
This entire latest Pastor Kekel conference post reads like a flyer for a sock-hop.
Posters to promote attendance? Really? Door to door isn’t working? Ha! Ha! Ha!
A chance to visit Graham? Ha! Ha! Ha! When was the last time you visited secular family for a week?
Got ideas? Ha! Ha! Ha! Good one. Submit in writing; in triplicate; to Pastor Kekel’s last known address.
Exciting? Ha! Ha! Ha!
Priceless,
Gregory
Fun Fact: If you’re going to use ‘Bout, ‘Bout is spelled ‘Bout not Bout’ (or B’out for that matter). Ha! Ha! Ha!
Gregory said,
"How ‘bout a workshop on ‘church PA systems’. Most NTCC churches can only afford a 'mister microphone', or are so small none is needed."
Don and Ange said,
Why would you need a microphone to scream at 5 people, especially when 4 of them are your wife, 2 kids and associate pastor? Most of the churches in the ntcc can't afford to buy light bulbs for their sanctuaries and now we are going to expect them to drive thousands of miles to a conference so they can attend a seminar on church PA systems?
WE ARE WINNING!
Mike was soliciting ideas for other topics that they can present during their workshop style conventions. We really would like to help Mike so we've compiled a list of subjects that you can use to have skits and demonstrations about:
1. You can take the whole group to your local Goodwill or Salvation Army store and have a workshop on how to buy clothing at a kook store so they can continue to give large amounts of money in all the offerings.
2. Here's a really good one: Have a budget seminar. Show the brethren how they can pay tithe, give in offerings, make world missions pledges, budget offerings, revival offerings, provide food shelter and clothing for their families, pay utilities and car payments, gas and groceries, all the necessities of living and how to be a good steward and put aside at least 10% in the bank for a rainy day, all on an income from an entry level job that pays close to minimum wage that doesn't interfere with church services, bible studies, prayer meetings, soul winning, picking people up for church and fellowship and allows you to take two weeks off for mandatory conferences. Oh I forgot they are no longer mandatory but if you love God you'll be there. And while you are teaching us this you might as well teach us how to invest in swamp land on Pikes Peak.
3. A skit on the proper way to conduct a church yard sale or bake sale so that they can supplement their incomes. Perhaps have Gesang give a demonstration on how to make money on the side raising reptiles or one of his other 4 or 5 businesses that he has on the side.
That's just three ideas for now. We will continue our list later because we have more ideas to help out. If anyone else would like to help Mike out feel free to post your ideas because they really need to come up with something good to keep the big ship steaming into the future.
Don and Ange
Don and Ange said...
Most of the churches in the ntcc can't afford to buy light bulbs for their sanctuaries and now we are going to expect them to drive thousands of miles to a conference so they can attend a seminar on church PA systems?
Jeff said...
THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. Yeaaaaaah Boooooooy. LOL. Ha, ha, ha, ha.
Yeah I'm going to fly to China to attend a workshop on putting a role of toilet paper on a spool and then peeling it off so that I can wipe my butt.
Drive thousands of miles to attend a workshop on PA systems. That is down right insulting. Like folks ain't got a life. I'd rather go visit my family who I hadn't seen in 7 years in the NTCC. I rather spent my time on an X-ER blog thank you. At least I'd be doing something constructive. "Hey Pastor Kekel, can I be the first one to turn the knob"? "Oh pretty please, pretty please, pretty please"? What a joke and I'm not joking.
Jeff
Yo Bru Kekel. Can I be da first one to flip the switch, Homeboy? What do you say Home Skillet? Let me kick da beat with dat chill PA system and pump up the volume Homey. Dat way, da chill church membas can get down to da lyrics. You know what I'm sayin Homes? Let's kick it Kekel.
What is interesting. Mike puts out this LAME information. Trying to peek folks interesting. So they will WANT to come to Washington. For what? You go to the store and buy a product. You want that product to last for the money your paying. So what are folks getting in return if they pay for the trip to Washington. I am going to assume also find sitters for there kids. In the past,no kids have been allowed.
Mike puts this out. And what happens. We can blow Holes through this facade the size of Canonballs! They got NOTHING to draw folks anymore. Just like the folks that stay in ntcc because there AFRAID to leave! They get the same folks to these conference's every year. With a smidge of church folks. Who are different folks each year for the most part. In a years time. The ones that went to one conference will wake up and leave a local church.
April
I have been posting on my FB something I am thankful for in the month of November.
Something I am thankful for since leaving ntcc. Is the use of the internet. It got me out of the brainwashed ntcc fog I was in. And know it is here so I can help others not get involved in this cult!
Why ntcc has to double count there attandance in Washington. Which is the capitol of the internet! With Microsoft in there backyard! Folks are going on more and more. Researching before they even step foot inside a ntcc building!
That is something to be thankful for!
April
In our continuing effort to help out the ntcc and Mike Kekel with ideas to make conference more exciting we are here to deliver as promised. This is not an empty promise or a lie that we put out but we are actually here to help out.
4. Demonstrations on how to save money in Servicemen's homes. We know that servicemen in the ntcc don't have nearly enough to do, so in addition to all of their military and ntcc obligations we can have them "pitch in" around the servicemen's home. They can paint, mow the lawn, rake day leaves and stuff, run da vacuum cleaner and other stuff to make it easier on the no-count pastor so he can "study for messages".
5. Have a workshop on how to manage our automobiles. What? I heard it from the man himself! Don't ever let a GI work on your car. This is actually one of the most useful tidbits of information that I've heard while in the ntcc. But where are we going to get the money to fix our oil puking junkers at todays mechanic labor rates? We need to manage our automobiles like the ntcc manages our lives. You get what you pay for. Plow your members for buying junkers even though they couldn't possibly afford a new car. Keep them under your foot so they know their place in the pecking order of the ntcc food chain.
6. Another really good idea to make conference really exciting is to practice screaming at the top of your lungs. This will wake people up and solve the PA system problem all in one foul swoop. Screaming and shouting practice can enhance prayer meetings, bible studies, meetings before soul winning and even fellowship. You can carry your pulpit around with you anywhere you go and scream your head off during any occasion; what an innovative and progressive idea. You can have a skit where Rev. Davis gets behind the pulpit and screams at people while they grovel and squirm in their seats. Oh, I guess this is not a new idea after all because it's what he's been doing for the past forty years.
We hope these ideas have been helpful to the ntcc leadership and we would like to extend our right hand of fellowship to any and all that are interested in making conferences more exciting to lure cash carrying folks up to Graham for the entire weekend before conference where they are going to have "conference style" services and take up "conference style" offerings.
This is such a wonderful time to be a part of the ntcc. For such a time as this are you called. Make that journey so you can get an information packet and a tour of the unaccredited cemetery, I mean seminary. Good luck to you all, er, I mean good fortune because there is no such thing as luck.
A simple multiple choice test. The comments on this page express..
1. An attitude of love
2. An attitude of hatred
What a difference it might make, if everyone spent as much time in prayer for their enemies, as they do in reviling them.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you. Mat 5:44
Personally I try not to lose focus of the fact that one day I have to stand before a holy God.
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. Mat 12:36
God is still LOVE.
Mr. Riley: Do not your NTCC preachers blast people in their churches while reviling their congregates regularly? Is all that done out of an attitude of love or hate? What say you?
Mat 21:24 And Jesus answered and said unto them, I also will ask you one thing, which if ye tell me, I in like wise will tell you by what authority I do these things.
21:25 The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?
21:26 But if we shall say, Of men; we fear the people; for all hold John as a prophet.
21:27 And they answered Jesus, and said, We cannot tell. And he said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.
Mr. Riley reasoned within him self saying, if I say out of love they will say what they are doing is out of love, but if I say out of hate, then I am condemning not only myself but the preachers that I idolize? So Mr Riley answered Jeff and said, I can not tell with what attitude NTCC preachers have abused and blasted their congregates for decades, and Jeff said unto the Pharisee, I mean Mr. Riley, neither tell I you by what attitude we chasten your NTCC leadership for all the wrong doings that everyone knows they've committed.
Jeff
By the way Mr. Riley. No one is impressed with your scripture quoting. We are all quite capable of doing that in case you haven't noticed. You should spend more time quoting scriptures to your abusive and greedy NTCC ministers and when you finish quote a few to yourself. Oh I forgot, God sent you on here to rebuke us, right? You must have not been listing to God when he saw it fit for you to rebuke a whole bunch of your hypocritical NTCC ministers. Oh I forgot. You just pray for them but you rebuke us right.
When is the last time you rebuked one of your superior NTCC ministers? Partiality is a sin also or did you overlook that part of the Bible? Or are you telling me that you never felt that one of your NTCC leaders acted in an inappropriate or abusive manner? It's called partiality.
1Ti 5:21 I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.
See I can quote scriptures also. Big deal. That means nothing. I can just about bet that you've never rebuked one of your NTCC leaders. Partiality baby, partiality. Look it up.
Jeff
Jeff, once again you are "spot on" in your observations. Let's help out all our readers with a link that defines Partiality:an inclination to favor one group or view or opinion over alternatives. Source: wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
As for quoting scripture, like Jeff said, we too can do the same. Here are some scriptures that M. Riley may need to consider and apply TO HIMSELF...
The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits. (II_Tim 2v6)
Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things. (II_Tim 2v7)
It means you have to practice what you preach, M. Riley. So how 'bout it? Do you walk the walk? Or are you a typical ntcc - pitchforker who preaches hard at everyone else the message that God is unsuccessfully trying to send them?
Maybe, M. Riley, your strong desire to tell everyone else these verses is your way of running from the Holy Ghost conviction of your own sin in failing to abide by these verses?
Too many times in the ntcc you would see the red-face preacher: He stands pointing a finger and accusing others of the sin that he is guilty of committing.
r.w. davis is the biggest offender in this category. He is the king of pitchforking:
davis says it's wrong to be a match-maker; but he match-makes every couple who goes through the bible school by maintaining permission over who does and does not talk or 'date'.
davis tells ministers it is wrong to be an "independent" preacher; but davis is the biggest "independent" preacher we've ever met:
He started his whole group so he could be independent of the Pentecostal church who allegedly disfellowshipped him for committing adultery.
Then davis taught all his followers not to have any fellowhsip with any other Christian group.
That is independent! And davis is a hypocrite for doing the very thing he tells others not to do. "Period."
So, M. Riley, are you a hypocrite too? Are you practicing what you preach?
Think about who you represent.
Are you called by God to defend hypocrites?
Christ called hypocrites hypocrites.
Christ was not confused by hypocritical cult jargon. He was and is the real deal.
Christ denounced the hypocrites because they refused to repent and stopped other people from going to heaven just like the ntcc hypocrites do. Is that what you want to help and be a part of?
If you truly love your neighbor, you want him or her to know the truth, no matter how ugly it is, so they can be set free from the deceiver and father of all lies.
M. Riley, please think about what you really stand for. Pray about it and act accordingly. You might make a better blogger when you do!
Don and Ange
Thank you, Don, Ange, Jeff; I could not have said it better.... hypocrites simply need to turn around "repent" but they won't/can't if their conscience is SEARED. Spot-on comments. Jesus always decried those who lay big burdens on people that THEY THEMSELVES would not lift with their little finger.
Hmm... lets see- who that means? oh, if you are in a "personality cult" you are deceived, drinking the kool-aid, you are "blind leaders of the blind". A tree is known by its fruit.
Unmerciful screaming, caustic, horrific sermonizing, ouch! No love, no mercy... what group might this describe? thimk. (sic)
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