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| Johnny Jordan sex offender Florida mugshot |
We are leaving Johnny's wife's name out on purpose although some are privy to this info. Johnny Jordan served 30 months of a six year term in a Florida prison for coercing a child to commit sexual acts. This offense took place in 1992. In November of 2009 and after subsequent non-compliance violations, including having a concealed weapon with ammo and failure to comply with sex offender re-register guidelines, he was again convicted on 4 separate counts. He is currently incarcerated; and his release date is registered as 06/03/2012.
These known violations took place after Johnny Jordan was in the ntcc. But how many took place when he was in ntcc that we don't yet know about? Dirty old men don't start out old, but do have long lives of offenses before they are caught. When did Johnny Jordan begin committing sex crimes? What did ntcc do to help him? From what we see, ntcc did not help him. Because the ntcc leaders, in our opinion, are either enablers who hide sex offenders or are themselves guilty of sexual misconduct, as alleged about Davis. Just look at how ntcc hid convicted child rapist Michael Fontenot (Story Link). And now we see the same pattern with Johnny Jordan.
There are some very disconcerting details of Johnny Jordan's actions while in the ntcc that reveal his true character. It was while he was in the ntcc that his wife came to him for help and confided in him that Rodger Wilson Davis had sexually violated her. Johnny did not believe her. She also went to then-time ntcc CEO Joseph H. Olson for help and was told to attend a different church. She also went to her mother, who was in the ntcc since 1969, for help and was told: Why would Davis do this to you when there are so many pretty women that he could have?
We can't imagine how much hurt and pain this young girl went through! Our views on this are that this woman suffered terribly for trying to get help and for reporting Davis' sexual misconduct. And that was just the beginning of her sorrows. We feel she was victimized by her mother, her husband, the ntcc CEO (Olson), and the ntcc President Rodger Davis. Our opinion is that as a reward for covering up Davis' illicit affair with this young girl, ntcc returned the favor and covered up Johnny Jordan's record of sex offense.
When this dude gets out of prison, it's possible he can end up right back in the ntcc community as others have - like Michael Fontenot. Johnny Jordan too could again become a danger to the ntcc children. How many people already had him in their homes and trusted him around their children? After all, two of his brothers have elevated positions as staff members of the ntcc. Naturally folks would be more prone to not think twice about trusting such a man. And statistically speaking, it is most likely Johnny Jordan was committing sex crimes from his adolescence, as is common of sex offenders.
** UPDATE **
Another story has come to light involving the abuse of ntcc children: Johnny Jordan raped a 14 year old girl. The mother of this 14 year old girl, in the ntcc, did not believe her. Rodger Wilson Davis also refused to believe her (in front of the mother) thus preventing police involvement; Davis did so to cover his own tracks, to hide Rodger Davis' own illicit sexual involvement with another young woman. RWD's solution for this tragic sexual violation and rape of a child was to move Johnny Jordan to Washington.
Our opinion of this story: We believe this story that was shared under conditions of anonymity. Unfortunately it fits an all too familiar pattern in the ntcc. When allegations of adultery were made against Davis in his previous church, Pop Gaylord told Davis to get out of town until things cooled down. Now we see Davis using that same technique in this 14 year old girl's story. Davis moved the raped girl's mother and Johnny Jordan out of St. Louis in order to let things cool down. We also saw Davis use this technique with Nichelle Tieman ~ moving their family to Portland, Oregon to hide her adulterous affairs. The pattern is way too familiar. The cycle of ntcc abuse started with its inception and has doubtless continued over four decades.
But even if Johnny Jordan wasn't caught until he left ntcc, it raises the question, what on earth is going on in the ntcc? When people leave other normal churches do they have the same ratio of sex offenders, adulterers, homosexuals and child molesters as the ntcc has? Do people start blogs when they leave the Baptist or Methodist churches, warning people to steer clear of them and telling story after story of the horrible things they went through as their result of trying to be a Christian inside of their corrupt organizations? We haven't seen that.
In our lives we've never seen an environment that is as bad as the ntcc; where people were so prone to become sexually deviant. There are so many divorces, so many adulterous relationships, instances of homosexuality, reports of rape, incest and molestation, sexual offenders, murder, triple murder suicide and the list goes on. We would venture to say that this stuff does not happen in the same percentages and ratios in other churches but does happen in cults like ntcc.
Do you still wonder why we warn people to leave the ntcc? They preach against every other church and mock them for their religion while the ntcc leaders are the worst offenders of all. They have a track record and a list a mile long of wrong doing, with no accountability and no financial disclosure, while a select few elite and pompous leaders are living large, with no want of anything, exploiting people in every way imaginable, answerable to no one on this planet Earth. Maybe if this stuff gets out in the public they will curb their appetites for sexual gratification; or at least they will think about consequences a little harder before they take advantage of people. Our guess is that as long as they can get away with this stuff, they will continue their exploitation and abuse of good people; and as long as they can benefit from a system that relies on people keeping information suppressed because of fear of reprisal or embarrassment, the outrageous behavior will continue.
Corrections Offender Network
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DC Number: 774815
Name: JORDAN, JOHNNY D
Race: WHITE
Sex: MALE
Hair Color: BROWN
Race: WHITE
Sex: MALE
Hair Color: BROWN
Eye Color: BROWN
Height: 5'06''
Height: 5'06''
Weight: 156 lbs.
Birth Date: 10/23/1962
Initial Receipt Date: 12/08/2009
Current Release Date: 06/03/2012
(Release Date subject to change pending gain time award, gain time forfeiture, or review. A 'TO BE SET' Release Date is to be established pending review.)
| Aliases: | |
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| JOHNNY JORDAN | JOHNNY D JORDAN |
| JOHNNY DEAN JORDAN | |
| Scars, Marks, and Tattoos: | ||
| Type | Location | Description |
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| TATTOO | LEFT ARM | CHRISTIE |
| TATTOO | LEFT CHEST | SCORPION |
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| Offense Date | Offense | Sentence Date | County | Case No. | Prison Sentence Length | ||
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| 12/31/2007 | SX OFFNDR FAIL COMPLY PSIA | 11/05/2009 | GADSDEN | 0800029 | 3Y 0M 0D | ||
| 04/01/2008 | SX.OFNDR.RE-REGISTR.VIOL. | 11/05/2009 | GADSDEN | 0800303 | 3Y 0M 0D | ||
| 05/01/2007 | FEL/DELI W/GUN/CONC WPN/AMMO | 11/05/2009 | GADSDEN | 0800310 | 3Y 0M 0D | ||
| 10/23/2008 | SX.OFNDR.RE-REGISTR.VIOL. | 11/05/2009 | GADSDEN | 0800561 | 3Y 0M 0D | ||
Note: The offense descriptions are truncated and do not necessarily reflect the crime of conviction. Please refer to the court documents or the Florida Statutes for further information or definition.
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| Date In-Custody | Date Out-of-Custody |
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| 01/18/1994 | 06/05/1996 |
| 12/08/2009 | Currently Incarcerated |
| Prior Prison History: (Note: Data reflected covers periods of incarceration with the Florida Dept.of Corrections since January of 1983) | |||||||
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| 08/01/1992 | SEX ACT COERCE CHILD BY ADULT | 01/12/1994 | GADSDEN | 9300478 | 6Y 0M 0D | ||
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It has been our position that the reason the ntcc has been so strict and that they have had so many rules is because the leaders do not trust folks to do what's right; because the leaders know if they were in that position, they would do the wrong things. For example, the reason why RWD has to give you permission to talk to another woman or to be around another woman is because he himself can not be trusted in a similar situation. He knows if he were allowed to be alone with a woman that he would try to seduce her and he would use money, twist scriptures to justify it and do anything in his power to achieve his selfish gratification.
The psychological effect of what the ntcc leadership has created, in my opinion, has fostered an environment where sexual misconduct is rampant and flourishing in the ntcc. The ntcc has a history of adultery, fornication, homosexuality, child molestation and child rape in addition to all of their history of financial impropriety and physical, mental, emotional and spiritual abuse.
What makes it all even worse is that ntcc covers up the abuse.
I have been totally forthcoming about my experiences in the ntcc and have included names:
My ntcc Experience:
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| Don (center) as a fresh-faced kid & another victim of ntcc sex abuses |
I had been in the ntcc for seven years when I arrived at Ft. Carson; and for some reason it seemed like everything I was involved in was prospering. I had everything a person could want except for a wife; and I longed for a wife. At 25 years old, I was an E-6 on flight status making good money; but I was still in subjection to a bunch of rules that prohibited me from having one thing that I really wanted: a normal marital relationship with a wife and family of my own. I had previously been told by ntcc ministers that I couldn't talk to certain women that were earmarked for bible school; which if you were not earmarked for bible school there was something wrong with you. In the prime of my life when I was suffering in ntcc imposed celibacy, the pastor's wife, (Nichelle Tieman) started making sexual advances towards me. At the first stages of this adulterous encounter, I failed (He that looketh on a woman to lust, hath committed adultery in his mind). It actually went further than lust (touching and caressing); but we didn't go all the way. I wanted a relationship so bad, but not at the expense of throwing away my salvation; so I repented for my involvement in this also, and put an end to it by refusing future unwanted sexual advances and eventually reporting it to the ntcc leadership (Pop Gaylord).
I looked at this as an overcoming victory and was thankful that I made the right decision. I then found myself in a perfect situation where I worked with a very attractive woman that was my same age; and we connected immediately. I eventually got her out to church; and we were seeing a lot of each other at work and at the servicemen's home. We enjoyed being around each other; and we talked about marriage and our futures which we thought could only be in the ntcc.
It was at this time that the unthinkable happened and our perfect situation was destroyed by the ntcc. I've mentioned all of this earlier; and I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here; but I was totally devastated. Everything seemed to slowly go down hill from this point; and after going through the ntcc motions for 6 more years I left, just about as messed up in the head as you can be. You know the story, as we have shared it more than once. That woman was Ange and after 20 years of separation we are now happily married for going on 2 years. I'm saying all of this and rehashing it again so that people will understand why we are doing this story.
The hierarchy of the ntcc don't admit to their improprieties; and they try to hide their sin by covering it up. Another sad but true story has emerged out of the sordid past of ntcc leadership; and I know that people are going to think that we are glorying in this stuff; and that we are evil for bringing this stuff up. But that is not true. What is true is that people need to know what the ntcc is all about and how they ruin peoples lives.
People that are still in the organization need to know this stuff, so they can protect their loved ones to include their children from future encounters with these people and their deviant behavior. People who are not in the ntcc need to heed the warning to avoid this group that has a proven track record of fostering and hiding abusers like Michael Fontenot [story link].
We take no pleasure in these true stories but feel that people need to know this stuff. Don't get mad at us, the messengers; but rather if you are going to be angry with someone, direct your anger to the perpetrators of this misconduct that committed the abuse and also to those that have been enabling it and covering it up for years.
Related Post:
Watch Out -- He's Out
Johnny Dean Jordan, convicted sex-offender
Released June 03, 2012
R. W. Davis and Barbara Norton arranged to have that girl marry that creep!
ReplyDeleteDon - just cruised on over here after not visiting your blog for awhile and the first thing I see is this story! The last time I was here I provided info on the Phoenix property for RWD-bag. As I read it, I had to do a rewind back to some things mentioned on Jeff's blog about the woman that went to Olson about RWD-bag and was told to find a new church. I re-read the story and the comments on your blog about Michael Fontenot and it is all sickening. The leadership of NTCC should be charged with failure to report a crime and harboring a criminal.
ReplyDeleteThe thing about NTCC is that they try to act so holy and pious but as far as I know it was never the practice in their churches to do a background check for their Children's Church workers / ministers. You listed alot of what has happened that has been unveiled through your, Jeff and other's blogs.
There is alot of sexual deviance that occurs in the NTCC, whether its the sexualization of prepubescent girls to be attractive to older men or the wife swapping that occurs fairly frequently, it is very ungodly. I'm not just talking about porn on the internet, but things that will come to light later on in the year...
Steakboy said:
ReplyDelete"The thing about NTCC is that they try to act so holy and pious but as far as I know it was never the practice in their churches to do a background check for their Children's Church workers / ministers."
DnA said:
That's because the ntcc thinks that they are pure as the wind driven snow. I believe that there are many children in the ntcc that are at risk every day from perverts. What the ntcc does to young men and women is not natural. When you manipulate a person's life to the point of forcing them into arranged marital relations that go against their own choices, you are asking for problems. When some match-making, adulterous, control freak decides who can date, and who has to remain celibate against nature, they create a situation where folks have no outlet whatsoever for what is supposed to be natural, sanctioned by God, marriage. When you get a bunch of men having to compete for women by first seeking the approval of a Pharisee, you get a lot of sexually frustrated, young people that are being deprived and pent up against nature and then you wonder why you have problems with all types of sexual perversion in your church?
I can tell you first hand that what I went through was living hell. A large portion of my life was ruined and I'll never get those years back. What the ntcc does is very demeaning and when you are the subject of their experiments it creates mental and emotional wounds that take a very long time to heal. You feel trapped. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't. If you leave the church you have been warned of eternal damnation. If you seek a wife outside of the church you are warned about being unequally yoked together with unbelievers. If you seek a woman that is not your own race, you are warned about the intermingling of cultures. If you seek a wife inside the ntcc you have to do it with the permission of some warped individual that wants another feather in their cap for sending a sister to bible school.
People in the ntcc are used for whatever purpose they can use you for without regard for their own dignity. Prepubescent girls like you mentioned that are too young to make a responsible decision are fondled by older men and coerced into arranged marriages that often times last a couple years at best.
Preachers that treat their wives like slaves to the point that they feel hated and unwanted, they feel like their only purpose in life is to give sex to their ungrateful husbands all the time, so they lose their interest in sex and the man ends up looking at child pornography on the internet. Way to go ntcc, you just created another pervert.
To be continued....
Continued from above....
ReplyDeleteAnd then they bring this perversion into a Servicemen's home environment where the best of our entire nation are manipulated in the same way that the Overseer's in Graham manipulate bible school students. Some unqualified Pastor/Servicemen's Home director that has lost interest in his wife, decides to go the other way, and uses the young GI's that he is supposed to be shepherding, as a pool of potential victims for his own ungodly lusts. They systematically find the youngest and most easy to manipulate 18 or 19 year old GI's, many of which are still not emotionally and physically fully mature and place them in impossible situations, with no way out. As sick as this is, it's real and happens at an alarming rate.
If everyone knew about every Pastor or Servicemen's Home director that committed adultery with a young Female GI or college student, they would see the ntcc for what they are. If public knew how much danger the ntcc places children in, the doors would be shut and the ntcc would be the subject of an investigation and many of these ntcc perverts would be hauled off to jail.
I can tell you unequivocally that for every instance of sexual deviant behavior in the ntcc, that is made public, there are many more instances that are kept secret. It works the same way in the Catholic church. Some of the Priests that were molesting children, mostly young boys, were using their position of power to coerce them into sexual acts against their will, and many of these perverts molested and raped hundreds of kids before one would come forth and admit to being violated. How many young women were sexually abused that we don't know about in the ntcc? How many young men? How many children?
If anyone with any common sense googles the ntcc, I hope they find this thread and I hope it scares them into not getting involved with the ntcc, or it causes them to open their eyes and leave before ruining another second of their lives.
Steakboy said:
ReplyDelete"The last time I was here I provided info on the Phoenix property for RWD-bag."
DnA said:
Thanks for all the info you gave us and for the thorough research you did. People need to know all this stuff. We didn't know that it was you but looking back we can see that you have been contributing a lot to the blogs. As always it's a pleasure, and we appreciate your input.
DnA
5 or 6 of us spent the night at Mom and Pops house one week end,
ReplyDeleteand I was put in a room with one of the other GI's, in the same bed,
a double bed. I woke up about 3 am with some action going on, ON THE OTHER SIDE of the bed! I was horrified, and lay there, PRETENDING TO SLEEP, UNTILL THE ACTION WAS OVER.
A few days Later, I told the pastor about it, he didn't give me much consolation.
I had to deal with that event for years, not knowing what to do about it.
Many years latter, still troubled, I even shared the story with this SUCCESSFUL PREACHER? Trying to make sence of it. A fella that the NTCC leaders praised for HIS GREAT WORK, and all those students he sent to bible college?!?!?!
He told me I probably wanted some of the action, but was too cowardly to get it! He turned out to be another Deviant.
I have never shared this story, with anyone, exept as I've stated.
Bless you brother and sister. Thank you for the courage it took to put those words on this blog.
ReplyDeleteI have never read enough of the blogs to get the message that you have preached today! A-men, and A-men! Let it resound to the four corners of the world!
Praise God, that God doesn't forget. That God still has preachers, who are not spineless. You took the message to the one NTCC leader who was not CORRUPT,and who would not let it go, and bury the truth,
POP GAYLORD.
All the labors of love by the righteous saints of God, that these people have tried to destroy,
Either directly, or indirectly. We were thrown out into the world, un-prepaired, and un-equiped, to face the wiles of the enemy. It was only the grace of
God, that brought us through.
RWD was quick to mock the Bapists,
who preach about the sins of omission, or the sins of commission,
These ungodly people have commited both, and God is going to dismantle these 501c3 orginizations. Wake up to the truth, people, it is time to exit.
I was in denial for years, and finally my eyes were opened.
Wow! Sounds to us like you had the right and normal reaction ~ horrified! That was really deviant action to take place. No wonder that you were traumatized by it. It just shows how the ntcc environment, especially in the servicemen's homes, breeds sexual immorality! Any decent Christian would know how wrong that whole set-up was! I'd rather sleep on the floor with a blanket than in the bed like that. Shocking. It's really good that you shared this. We think there is so much healing that takes place when people can tell the truth. You can always e-mail us too if there's stuff you don't want to bring out on the blog. But seriously, it's good for you to have gotten that off your mind!
ReplyDeleteClearly that fella was a deviant for falsely accusing you. He showed his true colors just in that one statement! We hope you can get some healing and peace about this now, knowing that you were a victim of a screwed up system!
To the Anonymous thanking us for posting,
ReplyDeleteYou're welcome. To us it is very painful to hear of and write about these gross lives of sin! It really grieves us to learn how screwed up this org has always been and how they have caused more damage then good for people who are already hurting and in need of good Christian counsel to bring them into a forgiven and loving relationship with Christ.
Statistically, it is most likely that Johnny Jordan himself was a victim of sexual abuse. Most children who are abused know the abuser; who is often a family member or close friend of the family. That could mean all the Jordan children were victims. This is supposition based on patterns that are commonly seen in these cases.
But in ntcc, these guys weren't going to get help. Instead they were going to get played and exploited. davis, like any other predator, chooses his marks carefully. He looks for those who are young, vulnerable, already hurting. Those who have been trained to follow orders without question. Those who are seeking approval. Then the exploitation begins. Some people are purchased at such a cheap price ~ a smile, a phony kind word hiding true malice, a slap on the back, a trip to the clothing store and these guys who were love starved are hooked. davis buys them one barfay plate and they think they owe him their lives and their prodigy - even getting vasectomies to please his sick fetish to have other guys get snipped. It's deviant. Truly the head is sick in the ntcc, and like olson boasts, "davis IS the organization"!
You want to know what is really sad here? These guys, the Jordans and those like them, will rally around davis, insisting that they love their pastor.
ReplyDeleteYup. We know you do. The sad fact is
HE DOES NOT LOVE YOU!!!!!!!
He is a hireling who is getting fat off of your hard work and sacrifice and throwing you scraps to keep you busy.
If you really knew your worth in Christ, you would not let the likes of davis have any place in your lives!
But it's hard to reason with abuse victims. They really do love their abusers and defend their abusers. Just like battered wives, they keep going back for more.
But they don't have to.
There really are other Christians OUTSIDE of ntcc. There really are ministers who serve the flock. There really are people who love unconditionally. Oh we wish you would taste and see that the Lord is good and break out of your ntcc bondage! How have they helped you? By beating you down so they could puff you up and repeat the cycle? They say "Jump!" and both your feet are in the air as you ask "How high?" - still children in men and women's bodies. Still seeking the favor of the ruler. Still ensnared.
But it doesn't have to be that way. Why not seek the Lord and His approval above all? Look at the Apostle Paul and how he ministered because God called him. He didn't run down to Jerusalem to get permission from the other apostles. God called him; and he acted on that. That's all the approval you need. Accepted in the beloved!
Yes the NTCC is one seriously twisted organization which throughout it's history has attracted some seriously twisted people. That story about the 5 or 6 who spent the night at Mom and Pop's was pretty sick to say the least. I'm not trying to drag Mom and Pop through the mud but my goodness it's wild that all that stuff took place right under their noses.
ReplyDeleteSimilar stuff happened in the Catholic church. When you insist that a dude goes too long without a woman, it seems that these kind of occurrences become entirely too common. If I had to choose and I was a pastor, I'd rather that these frustrated dudes go out and find a woman then have nasty sex with other dudes right in my house for crying out loud. It's either that or the serviceman's homes simply attract gays. I've read too many stories about this same kind of thing happening in the NTCC. That kind of stuff is not for me and that is for certain. I ain't into dudes and it's just that simple. The NTCCs moral history is worse than that of the Catholic church. Had I ever known this kind of stuff was going on in the serviceman's homes I would have left the NTCC for good the first day I ever visited that crooked organization.
Chief
Chief said,
ReplyDelete"Had I ever known this kind of stuff was going on in the serviceman's homes I would have left the NTCC for good the first day I ever visited that crooked organization."
Amen to that!
UPDATE - After publishing the story about Johnny Jordan being incarcerated in Florida as a sex offender, we updated the story with the information in red and green.
ReplyDeleteIn that update we see that a 14 year old girl was raped by Jordan. At that time he was 18 or older. Despite reporting this rape to her mother and Rodger Wilson Davis, nothing was done to protect other children. Davis swept the report under the filthy ntcc carpet and moved the girl's family to Washington to keep the heat off. As we see from the Florida prison system charts, Johnny Jordan continued to force sexual acts on children.
We believe the mother of this girl needs education and counseling. And that is putting it politely. In ntcc-speak, she "needs a a check-up from the neck up"! When your daughter says a man raped her, believe her and report it.
We believe Davis, as the President of the org, was CRIMINALLY NEGLIGENT for not reporting this matter to the police.
Our advice to the girl involved would be to contact the authorities where this happened. Keep good records of calls and e-mails and forms. Then take those to a lawyer and see what the lawyer says.
Our advice to anyone who has been a victim: Get support. Report the abuse to authorities.
We recommend this for many reasons:
It gives power back to the victim.
It lets the authorities do their job.
It gives the perpetrator a chance to acknowledge their fault and repent.
It deters repeat offences, thus protecting others.
"5 or 6 of us spent the night at Mom and Pops house one week end,
ReplyDeleteand I was put in a room with one of the other GI's, in the same bed,
a double bed. I woke up about 3 am with some action going on, ON THE OTHER SIDE of the bed! I was horrified, and lay there, PRETENDING TO SLEEP, UNTILL THE ACTION WAS OVER."
That's gross. Was this like the guy was having too much fun by himself, or was there like a third (dude?) involved? Freaky!
Say what? asked if the action involved a third party.
DeleteWe gotta say, we weren't sure if the action on the other side of the bed was masturbation or something else. Either way it's deplorable. That is just one more reason why your church experience should not involve sleepovers!!!
Steakboy said: I'm not just talking about pron on the internet but things that will come to light later on in the year....."
ReplyDeleteYou mean there's more!?
I'm speechless!
What about the mother and girl that was raped by this jordan guy?
Are they still "in" ntcc?
Just horrified!
Also Don, are those people that you knew back then, still part of the ntcc?
It is shocking!
Anonymous asked,
Delete"What about the mother and girl that was raped by this jordan guy?
Are they still "in" ntcc?"
DnA say,
The mother is still "in" ntcc.
Anonymous asked,
DeleteAlso Don, are those people that you knew back then, still part of the ntcc?"
DnA say,
Some of the victims are still part of the ntcc. With all the secrecy in ntcc it's hard to say who stayed and who left; but at least one is presently "a minister in good standing" in the ntcc.
Don said..."If you seek a wife outside of the church you are warned about being unequally yoked together with unbelievers. If you seek a woman that is not your own race, you are warned about the intermingling of cultures. If you seek a wife inside the ntcc..."
ReplyDeleteYou're welcome on the other items. Pretty sick on the events mentioned with Mom and Pop Gaylord and even still seemed like the most sincere out of the bunch. I doubt if they ever would bother checking on some guys in the home after "lights out" and may have been on the other side of the house. I'm not saying that to excuse or make light of it, but I'd give them the benefit of the doubt because Pop reported things to RWD-bag when no one else would and would even call him out on things because he was older. Imagine a retired Air Force senior staff NCO subjugating himself to these guys?
What I quoted from Don is an interesting way of putting it and all of it is a way of systematically controlling your natural desire to be with a woman. With that being said, (getting nasty) I wonder how many of their pastor's taught that it was OK to masturbate in order to avoid fornication? That is a common teaching among their pastors, but constantly denying a young man or woman from getting married to "not burn" is also wrong as well.
So here you have an environment where you are told that you cannot date any woman outside of NTCC because that would destroy your "testimony" and be unequally yoked or joined together with a "sinner". Those women that are in the NTCC where you are at have to go through the process of meeting the pastor's approval of being "faithful" (tithe paying regular attender) and then you have to be "faithful" before you are able to talk to her. That may only be during fellowship times and chaperoned on a date (18-20 year olds being chaperoned?). When / if you go to their Bible school its even more strict with only allowing to talk on "the Wall" when RWD-bag is in town. Unless you're a minister and want to talk to a church member, you won't get her phone number and you can only talk and communicate (no email, Facebook, etc.) during those times.
Of course all of this will change when Grant comes back to Graham, gives his life back to God and doesn't even have to go to the seminary school to get a minister's license because "Hey's his dad is MCK and his momma is TK and his Grandaddy is RWD!" He'll be the youngest one on the General Board and will help reap the rewards of the family business...
Anonymous said.."Also Don, are those people that you knew back then, still part of the ntcc?"
ReplyDeleteNot to steal from Don but he already mentioned that the Tieman's are still in and actually have been promoted within NTCC since then as an Assistant General Overseer. His wife Nichelle is the one that Don has mentioned in the past as making sexual advances to him while he was in the Servicemen's Home in Colorado. He'll have to verify if any of the pastors that made homosexual advances or where he observed those types of activities, if they are still in NTCC at this time.
Thanks, Steakboy, for all your contributions! You really are dishing up some strong meat! Lol
DeleteLike I've been telling everyone for years now. The NTCC is one seriously sick organization. It is the exact opposite of what it was make out to be all along. Perversion and greed reigns in the NTCC.
ReplyDeleteChief
Chief, ntcc is sick. And they took it to a whole lower level. We think they are criminal.
Deleteif any ones here today im looking for steve monkton is he still about
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We don't know Steve. Did you work together?
DeleteAnonymous said,
ReplyDelete"You mean there's more!?
I'm speechless!"
There's always more. We personally know of more. And we know others who have alluded to more. But even if nobody said any more, life teaches that there are always more victims that don't report. Nttc trained people to "Keep your mouth shut and pray!" (quoting r. w. davis). Plus, by their actions, ntcc let ypu know they did not want you to report anything. By their actions ntcc would punish and castigate the whistle-blowers. Just look at what happened to Moreno!
I wonder what that tatoo with the words "christie" on the child molester is all about!
ReplyDeleteI'm heartbroken because I know what it feels when you are a victim and you are young and there is nobody that will believe or they will excuse it with: it was probably your fault that it happened! :(
Heartbroken,
DeleteFirst of all, we are sorry to learn that you suffered in a way that never should have happened and that it was made worse by people not believing or worse blaming you! That happens far too often. We hope God heals all those wounds!
But we are thankful for your comment. We were hoping people would pick up on that fact.... These folks were victims of the deviants who used them and then victims all over again because the ones who were supposed to love and protect them instead attacked them with unbelief and accusations , blame, silence cover up, etc. The victims' innocence was stolen. Their rights were violated. Their ability to have normal sexual relations was now compromised by sick pervs; and their trust in others shattered by selfish motives of those who should have protected and suppprted them. Aside from the physical violation involed, the carnage caused to the soul and conscience of these victims is terrible. Each time they are asked to trust or to involve themselves in a valid relationship they have to overcome these old wounds and broken trusts. Only God can truly heal such damage. And we pray He does!
Anonymous asked,
ReplyDelete"Also Don, are those people that you knew back then, still part of the ntcc?"
If you are referring to the homosexual pastors, you can read the full account at the following link:
Homosexual Pastos in NTCC - Names Included
Also if you were asking about Nichelle Tieman's adultery or if she is still in the borg, the answer is yes. As Steakboy stated, the borg promoted her husband, David Tieman Sr. to be an Overseer, despite his inability to rule well his own house. Full story here:
Nichelle Tieman's Lying and Adultery - NOT Overseer Material
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What to do if it happens to you.
ReplyDeleteThe address says it all:
Deletehttp://www.cafemom.com/articles/in_the_news/142474/teen_girl_allegedly_gang_raped