With permission we are sharing some more of Julie's amazing life. There is no commentary needed to go along with this, so we are just going to post what was shared. To see part one of her story previously posted:
I Have A Name Part 1
Julie shares:
I joined a bowling league and I am excited about it! I told my mom about it. She says they don't think bowling alleys are bad anymore. There use to be gangs, drugs, crimes, and sex happening at these places so the borg didn't want people in such places. REALLY!!!! There is more sex and crimes going on in the borg!! The bowling alley was a little unsure of me at first. You see I have cerebral palsy. I wear braces, walk with a cane, and have limited use of my left hand. I use a lighter bowl, only one hand, and do it totally different. I make it happen though much to their surprise.
What a lot of adults that have left the borg don't understand I didn't have a life before the borg so all I knew is what the borg allowed me to know. Complete with my 4th grade education that they so graciously let me receive.** I should count my blessings.
I was supposedly healed on cerebral palsy when I was young partly and then when I was a teen idiot Ashmore prayed for me and I was told my hand grew. I actually believed that lie for a long time. I had to hide my disability because my parents were ashamed that I had no faith as well as my sin in my heart. My disability is always been there and is worse since I didn't receive medical after my father joined the borg. My mother joined first and my father came later.
Mathew 9:2 - "And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee."
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| Forgiven and Healed when Jesus saw the Faith of Those Who Brought Him |
***Note - Jesus healed the man with palsy and forgave his sin, while the NTCC did neither. Ashmore claimed Miraculous healing by falsely claiming that Julie's hand grew; then her parents blamed their own disabled child for her lack of faith and sin instead of taking responsibility for their own lack of faith and sin.***
Oh I wanted to clear something up. I was not born in the group. I was 2 years old before my mother came in and 3 years old before my father came. So my cerebral palsy had nothing to do with the group.
I was almost a month late being born and my head had already taken birth form which made it too big to deliver. Since they didn't have the way to view the size of my head until I was coming out then it was too late. This is my understanding of my birth. This is why they don't want women waiting more than two weeks past due date. They were getting me help until the borg came into the picture. Of course I don't remember any of that it is just what was shared with me.
I was too young to remember but I was told davis said some insulting remarks (of course my parents didn't think them insulting just speaking the truth) about me when he first met me and my mother. He didn't like the fact that I was being allowed to crawl around the servicemen's home and I looked ridiculous seeing I was way too old for it. I didn't walk well yet since I was delayed. My mom explained my disability but davis didn't want to hear it. My mom said It opened her eyes to my need of healing and her need not to except from me any less. I fell a lot as a kid and I limped. I may not remember when I was real young but I do remember the ill treatment for my cerebral palsy as I got older.
When I was a kid I was told my left leg was shorter then my right. I have since found out through x-rays that it isn't shorter. My hip is actually shoved up my back and had a doctor and therapist worked on it when I was still a child it wouldn't appear short at all. It is now fused in place so there is no moving it without risk to my spine. I am not complaining I am just explaining. I went to 6 different doctors this year each one being told no information except asked to see if I had a disability or not. They all confirmed I had cerebral palsy. hmmm.
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**Abusive and child molesting parents often pull their children out of public schools to hide the abuse and make it impossible for the child to tell anyone. Who was Julie going to tell? Her teacher? (mother-fail) Her minister? (father-fail) Isolated and abused. The true life of an NTCC kid!**
To see part one of her story previously posted:
I Have A Name Part 1
Anonymous Mark G. said...
ReplyDeleteJulie....
At some point and time (not right now) my wife and I would like to visit with you, provided that you are comfortable with it. Not right now, of course, but perhaps later, much later when some dust settles, so to speak.
Right now, after reading what I've just read I have to go and take a walk. There are just to many things going through my mind right now about NTCC and R'Dub in general for me to say much else. Also, I think I've probably spoken to much as it is. I'll keep up with the thread but try not to say to much more. Right now I'm feeling things about NTCC and the main people there that I just don't want to share. Ever. I'll just leave it at that. Mark
ReplyDeleteJulie, I believe you, and I hope you will persue legal action against those filthy board members, and your "father", who is unworthy of that title. I am a father, and I couldn't think of a more demented, perverted, and un-godly thing than to sexually pervert that Holy relationship of a Christian father, and his son, and or daughter. We are charged by God, to be your protectors, your provider, your teacher, and above all, YOUR EXAMPLE!!! Sinners don't do those things, do they? No they don't. When phoney preachers do those things, they go to jail, their spouse divorces them, and their church excommunicates them, and their spiritual leaders hold them accountable, revoking their licences!!!!! And the congregations are warned!!! And they are shunned! Not the victim of this perversion. Who helplessly has no where to turn! And those who hide these deeds should also go to jail, because for money, and numbers in church, they chose to ignore this disgusting behavior. I could say more, but what would be the use. It only goes to prove once more, how this group is a cult, and they use the holiness message to control people who are sincere. I had no real knowledge of God before I came to these people. They used our love for God, and our sincerity, to make merchandise of us all! And one day, God will open the books on all of them. All our love, Anonymous, because I am not stupid.
The NTCC is being led by a bunch of enablers that have a history of allowing all types of abuse and this story proves it. The board members that were in on this made a decision to ignore an innocent victim of outright abuse and in doing this they set a precedent which would enable child molesters to be predators without any fear of reprisal. You see, it always has been and always will be about the dollar. The NTCC is corrupt beyond repair and the board members and all you NTCC preachers that are reading this are guilty of allowing your organization to allow pedophiles and perverts to lurk as trolls satisfying the lusts of their flesh by having their way with children. Seeing that there is little to no consequences for this type of behavior it has repeated itself over and over again and the victims are helpless children whom you are supposed to protect. There are many others that have come forward (not all publicly) whose lives have been devastated by perverts in the NTCC. These perverts have been allowed to coexist among those who unknowingly and ignorantly worship and adore the very ones that enable this sick behavior. All of you preachers in the borg who love and adore Davis, Kekel, Olson, Ashmore and others that knew this stuff was happening and did nothing to stop it or change it, you ought to be outraged at these so called self appointed apostles. These have taken your organization which could have been something pure and holy and they have corrupted it beyond the boundaries of decency and now you all are part of an evil group of people that masquerades as a church and exists for your tithe dollars. None of this is going to change as long as all of you complacent preachers in the NTCC keep turning a blind eye to the creeps that prey on the innocent and the board members who allow it. Guess what? God knows all about it and cares for the victims. All you are accomplishing by winning souls into the NTCC is you are creating a generation of future victims whose lives will be needlessly hurt and violated so that a sick pervert can satisfy and gratify himself. You all should be ashamed of your so called leaders and the organization they have built. At least you have real estate and your board leaders are living a life of smugness and have every nice thing money can buy.
ReplyDeleteWe wonder if 'gawd', or, as he is called in the ntcc 'pastah', has had a revelation that Ralph St. Clair needs 'to pray about going' somewhere, uhm, (*taps forehead in deep thought*) let's see..... somewhere overseas.... far far away from inquiring church members and, (more importantly as far as the ntcc is concerned) even further away from the long arm of the law, and (most importantly to the ntcc) completely out of reach of those pesky individuals known as (1) REPORTERS and (2) ATTORNEYS! Because, 'heaven forbid', the organization could be eXposed as the pedophile-loving, child-molester-hiders that they are! And THAT could cost the ntcc fearful leaders MONEY and JAIL TIME. So 'pray about it', ralphie. And take your wife too. Because joan st. clair has been content to follow you as you abused your daughter. Let her follow you now to whatever third world rock the borg tries to hide you under... After all, you've committed a huge sin -- you've endangered the false image of the beast called ntcc and endangered their cash flow... those are the only unpardonable sins in the ntcc.
ReplyDeleteMaybe you think we are being harsh? Not as harsh as some. And really, the ONLY shot these people have at repentance is if they confront their sins honestly confessing them. Keep hiding it. You will not prosper. But don't say you were not warned.
ReplyDeleteLet us tell you folks something: We hate what the ntcc does to people.
ReplyDeleteBy 'playing church' and using the guise of religion to make merchandise of souls the ntcc has wrought unspeakable evil, not only enabling pedophiles like ralph st. clair, but actually strengthening them in their wickedness by attacking the victim and forcing her, an innocent girl, to lie. God hates it when the wicked are justified and the innocent are condemned! And, frankly, we do too.
It is a testament to God's grace that Julie reached out in a spirit of forgiveness to her 'parents'. We marvel at the Christ-like nature of that! Julie is to be commended!
And, for her sake, we are glad. Forgiveness does not mean that they have repented. It does mean that Julie is free from the prison of all they did to wrong her.
Now it's up to them to repent.
You know, borg people will try to say that we hate them. But that's not true. We hate what they DID. If we hated them, we would not warn them. But we speak to warn them. Just like God, Who chastens His sons.
ReplyDeleteMerry Christmas to everyone out there in the Blogosphere. Jesus is awesome and we are grateful to be able to celebrate his birthday. We love you all, even the NTCC'rs, to include ministers. We will not stop blogging against the NTCC, but we do it out of love because we know what it is like to be duped by religious hucksters. We want you to have your lives back, not without the Lord.
ReplyDeleteWe posted some music videos by the Talleys that we got from Julie that seemed fitting. We posted a video on Part one and Part two of Julies story. God has no Orphans is a great song but not sure if you NTCC'rs can get permission to listen to it as it has a fun and upbeat style that was preached against by many in the borg for many years. If you ever get to the point where you can enjoy your salvation without another man trying to steal your joy by telling you that God only allows old time southern Gospel music book style hymns as an acceptable media, you might just find that you can have a little bit of fun and tap your feet and maybe even jam out a little bit.
There is so much more to Christianity than what you are being allowed to accept and believe in the NTCC. I know they are slowly changing their standards to accommodate the changing times and to keep the money flowing in, but you don't have to wait for another decade to enjoy the freedom that we celebrate today. I mean think about it a little. 10 or 15 years ago you all were forbidden to go on the internet (sinnernet), and now you all have facebook pages and twitter accounts. You think God will change any more of those rules? The NTCC is changing before your very eyes and if you stay on their sinking ship, you will be in your 50's, 60's or 70's before you realize that you could have lived just like the disciples, who were not force fed a bunch of holiness or hell doctrine by Jesus.
We are really grateful to have met Julie and to be a friend of hers. She has brought hope to many people and she shines in her heart to all that know her. There are many that have been harmed by really cruel and unnecessary actions that make up the culture and are considered the norm in the NTCC. There are many hurt people that have left the organization and never got one call or had one concerned person contact them. We were all treated like the plague and were made to believe that the NTCC was our only hope for eternity. If they only would have emphasized Jesus as being our only hope and not placed so much importance on their ever changing rules perhaps the masses that have departed would still be living in that hope, but many have given up. It's depressing when you are isolated from friends and family for years and you leave the cult which is supposed to be a church that loves you more than your family, and they are so quick to rid you from their conscience and forget that you ever existed. You are left alone in the cold world in many cases without anyone to turn to and no possessions or money in your pocket because you gave it all to Davis and Kekel so they could have every creature comfort and amenity that a person can desire. Our faith was shipwrecked and we all thought that Jesus had forsaken us because we wrongfully believed that these money grubbing hypocrites were our only examples of what Christianity was all about. We are so glad that Jesus is not like that and we believe that there is hope for all those that have been cast away and forgotten. Merry Christmas!!!
DNA
Use the link above to view the previously lost, but recently found, video of kekels' mansion off 145th and 224th in Graham, WA. While lives of children are being wrecked, the kekels are bubbling away conviction in the jacuzzi your tithe dollars paid for, searing their consciences while soaking in the hot-tub your tithe dollars paid for. While ministers doing the field work for NTCC struggle to pay all the church bills plus provide for their families, kekels keep racking up new mansions, expensive automobiles, and costly musical instrument collections. Is there not a Christian way? Read more about kekels mansions at Part 2 of Tour NTCC 5
ReplyDeleteWe hope everyone had a great Christmas. We know that Christmas has been commercialized and Christ has been replaced with Santa and Reindeer in today's culture, but it still is a holiday in which most people get the day off and can reflect on the true meaning of Christmas. We are grateful to live in a nation that allows us the freedom to worship God and one that was founded upon Christian principles. People came to this land because they were oppressed and they wanted religious freedom.
ReplyDeleteOur forefathers came to this land because they were being told contrary to the bible how they must worship God and it included making their religious leaders rich while they were given a bunch of strict non-biblical rules that controlled them and made them miserable.
Cults are the same way in today's society. In the absence of spiritual freedom there is control and bondage that spills over into every aspect of a cult member's life. While the focus in a Christian's life should be Christ and love for the brethren and concern for the poor, stranger, fatherless and widow; we find that cults replace these frequently emphasized Christian concepts with control measures that had little or no emphasis in the bible.
What kind of church would allow a known sexual predator to continue in the ministry in a position of power over young people? Should a church with a history of sexual impropriety, that condones adultery and encourages divorce and remarriage be focusing on such things as women wearing ear-rings and make-up? Should a church leader that has become filthy rich off of the sacrifice of others be focusing on brow beating people for not giving enough? I would sure like to hear from some of you NTCC'rs how you justify the teachings of your church. I know that its probably a sin to come on our blog and share your views on why such perversion is the CULTure in which your multi- million dollar non-profit religious organization thrives, but if you are not allowed to give an answer publicly how do you live with it privately?
Do you see how perverse organization looks to outsiders? You have grown men and women who are supposed to be God's ministers of the Gospel that live in the much coveted "Bonco" real-estate which can't even venture out of their homes for more than a day without getting permission from the Borg royalty. We are not your problem. We are not a threat to your freedom. You're biggest problem is that you can't even think for yourselves. You are so caught up in thinking that you are the only hope for a lost and dying world that you can't even see clearly what type of product the NTCC is cranking out. If you took an objective look at your own organization you would see the same thing we see and the same thing the "world" sees. Hypocrisy and perverse leadership that only cares about money and numbers.
All of you preachers in the borg who love and adore Davis, Kekel, Olson, Ashmore and others that knew this stuff was happening and did nothing to stop it or change it, you ought to be outraged at these so called self appointed apostles.
ReplyDeleteMaybe they did it themselves especially Davis - that's my assumption.
It should be everybody's assumption and perhaps more than an assumption. If you allow it, there must be a reason. There have been others that have come forward and attested to Davis impropriety and that he sexually abused them.
ReplyDeleteStatistics say that for everyone that comes forward there are dozens who are too scared and in a cult it's even worse because these same victims of abuse are persuaded that the abuse is okay with God by the abuser. They use scriptures to justify their perverted actions and they place fear in the hearts of the victims. It is unbelievable how that the vast majority of people will read this stuff and stay silent. Many refuse to believe that it went on right under their noses and others are busy trying to cover it up or discredit the persons that come forward.
When I left the organization there were lies told about why I left. I know this because I talked to a long time preacher in the NTCC face to face and he told me about the lies. There is a reason why people are smeared when they leave the borg. When that person gets on the blogs years later, the people that were around when they left will immediately have a biased opinion about them and will continue in their blindness. I have been completely honest as to why I left and I have been completely honest about what I went through while in the borg. There are many out there that have already suffered too much and they are trying to forget it all. It would have been easy to forget everything and continue on with my life but I was given a new lease on life and decided not to be silent about the abuses that I was a part of. I don't regret it at all, and because I've been honest about what happened, I don't have to worry about getting caught in a lie. Davis and Kekel however have to do damage control all the time to cover up their failures as organizational leaders and as so called Christians. They have so many skeletons in their closets that it sounds like they are playing yahtzee in their closets.
What's even worse about Julie's situation is that she was treated worse than a predator by the general board. The predator might have lost his license for a couple months but he is right back in that position of power in Tillicum. While the victim was told to lie to everyone that she had told. These filthy board members couldn't even do their own dirty work. After allowing and condoning the abuse they had to leave the victim feeling like less than a human being to maintain the delusion of Christianity in their cult. They had to set a precedence for future abusers. There is a sickening pattern in the ntcc that exists. Child molesters and predators are allowed behind the pulpit while the victims are shunned and left to work out their devastated lives by themselves. What great leadership! I hope you all are proud of yourselves! You compass sea and land to make one proselyte and when he is made, you make him two fold more the child of hell than yourselves. Way to go ntcc! You are creating monsters that hide behind pulpits and rip to shreds the weakest of the flock, just so you can satisfy your perverted fantasies.
ReplyDeleteAnon said "Maybe they did it themselves especially Davis - that's my assumption."
ReplyDeleteMore than assumption......That is why they use many scriptures to their advantage....like "forgetting those things which are behind."
Hugs,
Julie
Mark....I know it is hard to swallow the ugliness of the truth but I appreciate your concern.
ReplyDeleteHugs,
Julie
Julie said...
ReplyDeleteFor all those that say I shouldn't speak of a preacher sin in the open because of this next scripture. I have another portion of scripture to share.
Hebrews 13:17 "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm ."
The part I heard a lot as a kid was "Touch not mine anointed".
12 And the Lord sent Nathan unto David. And he came unto him, and said unto him, There were two men in one city; the one rich, and the other poor.
2 The rich man had exceeding many flocks and herds:
3 But the poor man had nothing, save one little ewe lamb, which he had bought and nourished up: and it grew up together with him, and with his children; it did eat of his own meat, and drank of his own cup, and lay in his bosom, and was unto him as a daughter.
4 And there came a traveller unto the rich man, and he spared to take of his own flock and of his own herd, to dress for the wayfaring man that was come unto him; but took the poor man's lamb, and dressed it for the man that was come to him.
5 And David's anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the Lord liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die:
6 And he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity.
7 And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;
8 And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.
9 Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the Lord, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.
10 Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.
11 Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.
12 For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.
If you noticed in verse 7 David was anointed but yet in verse 12 Nathan you did it in secret but it isn't going to be a secret no more.
Julie
Julie,
ReplyDeleteMy heart goes out to you sweetie! I remember when you and your family came to the bible school. I would pray for you secretly that God would heal you.
I am just appalled at how you were treated! We just never know what others go through.
Diana Lopez
Julie,
ReplyDeleteDon't worry about speaking out in public against these "So called - preachers/ministers" etc. #1 they aren't really men of God! If they were, we wouldn't have stories to tell! #2 this is a public forum. I mentioned things about my ex on my blog and someone said they knew him and said how he seemed different. The thing is, if I'm telling a lie (and I'm not and neither are you) then they have the right, IN PUBLIC forum to dispute it. They can't. They'll just talk about us to each other that are still dumb and numb enough to be left in the borg.
Kat said:
ReplyDelete"The thing is, if I'm telling a lie (and I'm not and neither are you) then they have the right, IN PUBLIC forum to dispute it."
DNA said:
They used to come on Factnet and sometimes on the blogs in a lame attempt to defend themselves but they kept getting their butts handed to them. They ended up looking so stupid that they eventually realized they were doing more harm to their cause than good. Even Kekel got on Factnet as the "Whirlwind" and made a complete idiot out of himself. Their problem is that you can't cover up lies with half truths. You can't hide the truth with lies and their shifty eyes betray their smiles. They were trying to defend their own indefensible actions.
If you look at the blog post on Chief's blog, you will find Kekel trying to make excuses for the way the ntcc treated people and changed the rules. Chief and others confronted Kekel on each issue and when it was all said and done, Kekel would have been better off if he never would have went public. His reasoning was lame and his defense of the borg was transparent and ineffective.
The cult will always have people that do not rationalize or take things at face value because in doing so, they must face the fact that they have been living a lie all along. They will continue to believe a lie because they don't want to admit that they have wasted decades of their lives. Now that doesn't mean that their aren't some people who mean well and some that are struggling to do the right thing, but it's like wearing brown socks with a blue suit or trying to stuff a 40 inch waist into 34 inch pants. Good people just never seem to fit in with the sleazy scoundrels and con artists in the ntcc.
Kat said....Don't worry about speaking out in public against these "So called - preachers/ministers" etc. #1 they aren't really men of God!
ReplyDeleteBelieve me Kat they are the least of my concerns. I am more concerned with the blinded. Thanks for your comment.
Hugs,
Julie
Diana said..My heart goes out to you sweetie!
ReplyDeleteThanks for your concern and your prayers.
You are a ray of sunshine for me. You have always been compassionate to people. I remember even as a child you didn't treat children like they weren't wanted. You were like a few others in my childhood that were so different. I wondered how you could be so kind while others were so cruel.
I love your sense of humor!
Hugs,
Julie
DNA said:
ReplyDeleteThey used to come on Factnet and sometimes on the blogs in a lame attempt to defend themselves but they kept getting their butts handed to them. They ended up looking so stupid that they eventually realized they were doing more harm to their cause than good. Even Kekel got on Factnet as the "Whirlwind" and made a complete idiot out of himself. Their problem is that you can't cover up lies with half truths. You can't hide the truth with lies and their shifty eyes betray their smiles. They were trying to defend their own indefensible actions.
I remember Factnet they were never good at defending themselves and the stuff Kekel has said on his own blog.
Like when he tried to explain sports I thought how dumb can you be. I didn't get a "F" in gym for failing to dress for P.E. for nothing.
Servicemen's homes got in trouble if they even had anything that related to sports on the property. I know I lived in servicemen's homes.
They tried to explain away the fact that they had TVs. Oh Julie that is something new in recent years. No it isn't I found their secret TVs a long time ago as a kid.
I found Davis' TV in St. Louis back in lets see 79 or 80 but yet he left his last church since they decided to allow the devil-vision. Hmmmmm
I was playing hide and go seek in his house when I found it. Yes it was hooked up. You should have seen that trying to be explained and yes I got in trouble for going to the area it was kept.
Hugs,
Julie
Back in the eighties I remember that we used to have to attach a disclaimer to every statement we made about seeing TV.
ReplyDelete"I was on sick call this morning and while in the waiting room they had a TV and we seen this or that on the TV set."
or
"We walked by a TV at Walmart and seen this or that"
Now we find out that Davis had a devil vision all along. One that was hooked up and in use. Boy, it makes me wonder why I listened to anything Davis ever said. That is just one standard we find that Davis has compromised all along.
I was just reading Romans this morning and 2:22 "Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?"
A hypocrite is a hypocrite is a hypocrite. If a preacher preaches against TV and has one, he is a hypocrite. He also preached against a whole lot of other things he didn't practice what he preached about. I hope he reads this so it can jar his memory about the statement he made: "I can't remember the last time I sinned".
No wonder Kekel was not afraid to allow Grant to do all the things other children were not allowed to do. The Kekels knew that their Pappy was a liar and compromised all of the doctrine he preached against. Kekel threw Davis under the bus a bunch of times and now we know why.
The rules only were there for your control. The rules don't apply to the royal families and they never have. Julie got F's in gym class because she was required to dress like She was going to church with the Waltons instead of gym class. Grant Kekel never got any F's in Gym class for not being able to dress a certain way. In fact all the rules were broken and excuses were made for Grant. Now Grant is referred to as a sinner by his parents and Grand Parents while Julie has managed to remain a Christian in spite of everything they did to destroy her life.
The ntcc is sick from the neck up. The head needs to be chopped off. That is the part that is infected the worse and as long as Davis or the Kekels are listened to, they are going to continue to infect their sick and religious organization.
TV is just a stupid manifestation of their hypocrisy. What is really troubling is that the ntcc leaders on many occasions have allowed innocent victims to take the fall for the sick actions of their clergy. Many of these victims have been children but there have also been many adults.
ReplyDeleteWhat we are talking about here is all the people who have been run off to protect the predator's, pedophiles and adulterers that are in leadership positions in the ntcc. It's just like Julie said. They love to quote the "Obey them that have the rule over you" part of the scripture but they do not watch for your soul nor do they act as if they have to give an account.
Julie said, "I found Davis' TV in St. Louis back in lets see 79 or 80 but yet he left his last church since they decided to allow the devil-vision. Hmmmmm
ReplyDeleteI was playing hide and go seek in his house when I found it. Yes it was hooked up. You should have seen that trying to be explained and yes I got in trouble for going to the area it was kept."
DNA Say,
Could it be that davis was the one watching pornography on his t.v. all these years that he was falsely accusing others of that?
For instance, when Ted and Jean Keys left the organization, davis started the old rumor that Ted was watching porn. The rumor got back to the Keys. Jean wrote me letter and explained how absurd it was. She said they didn't even know what porn was, that they were virgins when they got married.
davis is so busy pointing the finger at others. But the three fingers pointed back at him are telling the truth. He had the t.v.
He accused Maria Moreno of loving horses more than souls just because she stopped one day to admire horses in a pasture. But both of kekels' mansions border horse pastures. And davis' current mansion borders a horse pasture.
What a fat lying hypocrite!
DNA said ......Now we find out that Davis had a devil vision all along. One that was hooked up and in use. Boy, it makes me wonder why I listened to anything Davis ever said. That is just one standard we find that Davis has compromised all along.
ReplyDeleteNo he didn't follow half of the rules he created for others. Now it is just harder for them to keep people from finding out.
DNA said...For instance, when Ted and Jean Keys left the organization, davis started the old rumor that Ted was watching porn.
It use to be attacking ones character that had left or telling those that remained to dis-fellowship the one that left was enough but not no more.
Speaking of not living by the rules that were created. I remember when Tanya cut her hair it was claimed because of health reasons. Hmmmm that was same dumb reason give for clear nail polish I caught her putting on. People you forget children grow up and your dumb excuses look just that "DUMB". ( reasons give by her mother)
Boy I use to get myself in a lot of trouble so full of questions!
Hugs,
Julie
Speaking of not living by the rules that were created. I remember when Tanya cut her hair it was claimed because of health reasons.
ReplyDeleteWhen I saw Tanya Kekel the first time (Conference in Germany 85 or 86)I could never believe that she never ever cut her hair. Her hair wasn't very long. Some people (women) in the Servicemen's home in Tamm (Ludwigsburg, Germany) believed she never cut her hair since she was born, because her father Davis always knew holiness.
Speaking of not living by the rules that were created. I remember when Tanya cut her hair it was claimed because of health reasons.
ReplyDeleteWhen I saw TK the fist time on Conference in Germany I think it was 85 or 86, I could never believe that she never ever cut her hair, since it wasn't very long. Some people believed that she never ever cut her hair since she was born, because her father Davis alway knew holiness.
Yup. I always wondered too why tanya kekel's hair was soooo short. DUH! The truth about these phony liars was always there, slapping us in the face. All we had to do was open our eyes and admit it that the ntcc is run by religious frauds who exploit people.
ReplyDeleteAnother thing that bothered me was the obvious difference in appearance between tanya and her so-called mother, verna. They look nothing alike. (Though they both act the same - phony and catty.)
All along verna knew tanya was adopted, but willfully deceived others into thinking tanya was her daughter by birth. rodger davis added to the deception, blathering about "cutting the umbilical chord"...
And verna sat idly by letting rodger davis convince other men to neuter themselves, saying how "children hinder the work of the Lawd."...
What a sick bunch of double-standard hypocrite lying sneak thiefs!
First of all, it is a lie to teach that children hinder the work of the Lawd. God said children are a blessing. Secondly, rodger davis is a hypocrite for adopting a child; who is probably his own illegitimate daughter thru an adulterous affair with a Filipina. Thirdly the mother-wife, verna "I think I'll call myself Victoria so everyone will think I'm a queen" davis lives a lie trying to convince everyone that tanya is her daughter and at the same time says nothing about rodger telling everyone else that children hinder the work of the Lawd.
These folks are really a piece of work! We fell for it. Hook, line, and sinker. But you don't have to be taken in by these hypocrites and be played like a sucker like we were. You can just read the truth right here and free yourself from the snares of those ntcc devils! John 8:32
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
What I've heard recently of someone who worked at the townhall in Grossbottwar, Germany, where ths Servicemen's home moved after Tamm. That they (Ramirez or sb. else???) sent the soldiers to beg from door to door and asking the german residence for donations. This was reported to the Mayor of that german little town, but they couldn't do anything against it, since there was no law against that (asking for donations). The home was probably short of money and the Pastor needed money to pay the rent. And Davis lives in luxury. What a bad testimony.
ReplyDeleteShe TK should open her big house for the Syrien refugies.
ReplyDeleteAnon said...
ReplyDeleteWhen I saw Tanya Kekel the first time (Conference in Germany 85 or 86)I could never believe that she never ever cut her hair. Her hair wasn't very long. Some people (women) in the Servicemen's home in Tamm (Ludwigsburg, Germany) believed she never cut her hair since she was born, because her father Davis always knew holiness.
Yes they want people believing the lies It makes me think about to when Davis use to say "What is good for goose it good for the gander" Back at you Davis
Don't make rules unless you plan on keeping them yourself. Of course Davis knows nothing about leadership basics 101.
Hugs,
Julie
DNA said...
ReplyDeleteAnother thing that bothered me was the obvious difference in appearance between tanya and her so-called mother, verna. They look nothing alike.
No they don't.....I remember when she came with her parents to Texas on one of their visits. She told me she had just found out she was adopted.
I was later told it had been kept a secret because they didn't want others to be asking about the details of the adoption. At that time I was too young to question it. When I left the borg and began to learn more about adoption I began to wonder what was the big deal.
When I heard about it on Factnet I was shocked to realize it had truly been kept a secret all this time.
Tanya Kekel has lied to a lot of people. She does know about her roots in the Philippians for she went there when she was 18 to see where she came from yet she only wants to share the hogwash Davis shares.
Hugs,
Julie
And verna sat idly by letting rodger davis convince other men to neuter themselves, saying how "children hinder the work of the Lawd."...
ReplyDeleteYes so true. I was suppose to get married until after my 17th birthday which at that point this would have been done. We had trouble getting the money together and it just never happened. No one realized it hadn't happened until my son came along.
Hugs,
Julie
Anon said...The home was probably short of money and the Pastor needed money to pay the rent. And Davis lives in luxury. What a bad testimony.
ReplyDeleteYes that would be a bad testimony. Bad thing about Davis it is it is other people's money that he spends.
Hugs,
Julie
Davis and Kekel both says that they work hard for their money. If we would work hard we could have had money too. No Davis/Kekel you steal our money as fast as we made it!
ReplyDeleteThe bible says "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel. ( unbeliever) I Timothy 5:8
It says your own household. If you are giving to Davis/church leaders and your household is in need you are worse than the sinners you preach against.
Hugs,
Julie
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteShe TK should open her big house for the Syrien refugies.
Well I would say only if she is not present otherwise they would be come just slaves to her.
Thanks for your comment! :)
Hugs,
Julie
Julie said:
ReplyDelete"It says your own household. If you are giving to Davis/church leaders and your household is in need you are worse than the sinners you preach against."
DNA say:
This is the culture in the ntcc. Everyone is expected to sacrifice and give to God. It is the most important indicator to the ntcc leadership. Your salvation in the ntcc is gauged upon how much you give. If you are a big time money earner in the ntcc, you will be forgiven, your sins will be hidden and the victims of your predatorial behavior will be discredited and disparaged. Anyone who come between the fools, (ntcc leaders) and their money will be demonized and kicked to the curb. It doesn't matter if you are a child or if you are a pastor in the inner circle of borg leaders. If you do anything to publicize the corruption that has taken place in the borg, than you are the devil. You are taking money out of Kekel and Davis's pockets. They haven't obtained enough riches yet, so even if you tell the truth about their abuse, you will receive a spiritual beat down and most likely you will be run off and labeled a God hating sinner.
The ntcc has a long history of sexual abuse and harboring known predators. These predators should be in jail but they hold licenses in the ntcc and are in positions where they can use their power to manipulate and prey upon the innocent. Their love of money is more important than the pain and misery that they cause.
Here we go. We are fit to be tied this morning. I know that there are people on both sides that don't agree with what we are doing. We have reached the boiling point or the fever pitch or critical mass, whatever you want to call it.
ReplyDeleteIf you are out there and you know about ntcc abuse and do nothing to warn others about it, than there are people that will continue to suffer in the ntcc. I know that sharing intimate details is not an easy thing, but there are people that are going through some pretty bad things in the ntcc and they blame themselves. The ntcc makes sure that when a person leaves that they blame themselves for everything that went wrong and the abusers and predators keep right on abusing and preying on the weak. They take no responsibility and they go about hurting and causing pain by wreaking spiritual havoc in the lives of people so they can live in luxury.
Meanwhile everybody sits back and "takes the high road". "Touch not mine anointed". You might have felt God at one time in the ntcc, but the ntcc leadership have all been corrupt for many years. They have not exhibited Christian behavior and it goes all the way back to their roots and their beginnings. Davis is not a Christian and has never exhibited Christian behavior. If you read GS/DS blog you will find that they have been corrupt in the 70's and if you read factnet you will find they have been corrupt ever since they began.
ReplyDeleteIf you have been the victim of abuse, you should come forward even if it's anonymously. If you have been abused in any way by preachers that are still in the ntcc, and you keep it to yourself, they will continue to hurt others. Abusers very seldom recover. Wife beaters very seldom change. Sexual predators almost never change. If they abused you, they will abuse others. It's a statistical nightmare and it happens over and over again. It's even worse in the church. Rape victims very seldom come forward. In the ntcc, when abuse happens it is covered up and the abusers might get a slap on the wrist but they continue in the "ministry" which is not a ministry but a vehicle to gratify themselves. When a person comes forward and does nothing more than share the truth, they are demonized by everybody, even those who have been through the same things.
ReplyDeleteWe are going to draw as much attention to this evil as we can, because we know the sacrifice and hurt that folks like Julie have been through and we don't want it to be for naught. It's just wrong, plain and simple. There is nothing right about it. The ntcc is a filthy and wicked organization that gets away with this foul behavior because they know that people will shut up and stay in their places where they have taught them to stay. There are people in the ntcc that are witness to or have knowledge of many sick things that should never have happened. By sharing this stuff even anonymously it gives hope to those who have suffered needlessly for the same reasons and it also brings their filthy secrets to light and warns future victims of the sickness surrounding that individual.
ReplyDeleteI would ask you one question? Are the ntcc leaders that are guilty of such things better than David? David's sins were publicized for the whole world to see and he suffered publicly but he repented. As long as these ntcc hypocrites hide everything and keep secrets they will continue commit the same.
Do they deserve to repent? Perhaps, but the last I heard, repentance involves making things right with the people you have wronged. Do they deserve to be back in the pulpit in a position of trust? Absolutely not. They have used their position to horrify others and degrade them beyond what is acceptable. And the ones that allowed this to happen are just as guilty as the ones that have committed the awful sins.
ReplyDeleteThat's right, Davis, Kekel, Olson, Ashmore, Johnson, and all the board members, you know this stuff has been happening for years and you have sat by and watched as you get richer and richer. You are just as guilty and even more responsible. If you are a board member in the ntcc and you know this stuff has been going on you are an enabler. If you are a preacher in the ntcc and you know that your leaders have turned a blind eye to this behavior and you continue on as though nothing has happened and nobody has suffered, than you are also an enabler. What good does it do to preach all of the holiness doctrine and tell people how to dress, how to wear their hair, who they can date or if they can date, who they can talk to or who they can hang out with or what funerals or weddings they can go to or to control every aspect of their lives when your organization has betrayed the weakest members of the body of Christ? There are lives that have been ruined forever and you just keep ignoring it all like it never happened. Somebody please take a stand and grow a spine and stand up against all this evil.
As this New Year begins I don’t know where you are at in your journey. You may be at a point of hopeless. Well I want to offer you hope. You may say there is no hope for me Julie. If you are reading this there is hope for YOU!!
ReplyDeleteI don’t care how low you have gone you can still go to the top. My heart has cried to the Lord for you this morning. You say you don’t know me. How could you have prayed for me? I prayed for every hurting soul that reads this and God knows your name.
Spiritual abuse can be one of the hardest abuses to recover from because though people can blame God for any abuse, God is more attached to spiritual abuse in people’s mind like no other form of abuse.
You may say I am so mad at God. I have a dog and there has been times I haven’t seen her I step back ending up stepping on her paw. She will make a noise but yet in her unconditional love she wants to still love on me. That is awesome thing about God is he has the unconditional love just like my dog.
You can hate God and he will still love you. I John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
You may be sinking as you read this. It may feel like quick sand to you but I want to offer this to you.
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. Matthew 11:28-29
You say that is nice but you don’t know what I have done. I am so shame of being stupid to fall for things I did. I preached to people in a way I feel so guilty for it. Julie, I have said and done things I can’t even bring myself to mention. God has something to say to you.
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. Isaiah 1:18
Though the error of your ways seems great, God still says he can wash them clean. You don’t have to carry the burden of your mistakes anymore.
And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled. In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight. Colossians 1:21-22
When you repent you become once again “Holy, blameless as you stand before your Heavenly Father without a single fault.
We have a very patient God that lovely waits for us to come to him. He will be there whenever you are ready.
I think of a line from a movie that goes like this “ Yous kind, Yous smart, Yous important”. I know it isn’t good English but you are important to God don’t ever forget it.
May this be truly a New Year for you and a good one too!
Hugs,
Julie
Many are called. Few chosen.
ReplyDeleteJulie, you are the daughter of Ralph St. Clair?
ReplyDeletePlease forgive my ignorance here.I ask this because I didn't know he had a daughter. At first reading I thought you were his daughter-in-law. But you are his actual daughter. My brain can't wrap around this.
Anon a mouse said...
ReplyDeleteJulie, you are the daughter of Ralph St. Clair?
Please forgive my ignorance here.I ask this because I didn't know he had a daughter. At first reading I thought you were his daughter-in-law. But you are his actual daughter. My brain can't wrap around this.
Yes I am Ralph and Joan St.Clair's daughter, Julie. When you say I can't wrap my mind around this, are you referring to me being his daughter?
Hugs,
Julie
Good Morning! Without being specific we know there are some out there that are outraged at Julie for sharing her testimony. We know that the very highest and lofty ones of the ntcc read this. To all those that would be arrogant and hypocritical enough to direct your anger and hatred towards the victim of your cult doctrine and it's leaders:
ReplyDeleteTake a step back and process what you are doing and why you are doing it. Read what Julie writes about salvation just 3 comments above this one, and let those words sink down into your calloused heart. She still loves you enough to share the only possible source of redemption for your darkened souls. I say this because you feel no responsibility and that you have done no wrong. You continue to hide the truth behind lies and make believe that everything is alright. While you sit back and relax in your mansions and collect all the monetary blessings from people that work for a living, you are without mercy and love for the very souls that you have allowed to be hurt the most. You have established a pattern of unthinkable abuse and enabled the worst predators to hold positions of leadership and trust while ignoring the devastation they caused to the victims of their self gratification. There are many that haven't spoken yet but when they see they are not alone, they too will come forward and expose you for what you are. You hide the secrets and the deeds of the corrupt while you rebuke and chastise the ones who you have allowed to be hurt. Then you have the audacity to get mad at those who speak the truth?
I'm so glad you can't hurt any of us anymore. We no longer fall under the influence of your mind control. People are realizing that they can be saved without you and that salvation is more abundant when it is received from a source that isn't hiding a bunch of corruption and filth behind their facade of phony holiness.
Julie said,
ReplyDeleteWhen you say I can't wrap my mind around this, are you referring to me being his daughter?
My brain can't wrap around the fact that, it's like they hid you. When I was around them and around those who had been around them much, much longer a daughter was never mentioned. Just their son.
To hear they had a daughter and what happened to you
just kills me. To think what I know of them and then hearing this is just...I don't even have a word for it. Wasn't he even a teacher in their seminary for a time? And they had to know and allow him to still teach? (or their equivalent of teaching)
I am not doubting what you are sharing, nor upset you are sharing. I am just in shock. Since you can share what you have been through, I hope it will bring others the courage to share as well.
wow, I haven't been out to look at the NTCC's "dirty secrets" but it just doesn't end. I left over two years ago, and I never regretted my decision. Julie, I don't know you and I don't know your parents either.
ReplyDeleteI am amazed that Davis and his ilk are so ignorant that they don't realize cerebral palsy is congenital, and not something that can "go away" or heal it away. And to think that your parents let Davis bully and verbally abuse their daughter is so typical of this cult. What is wrong with these brainwashed cult members? Do they have no brains or conscience to tell them this isn't right.
Anon a mouse said... When I was around them and around those who had been around them much, much longer a daughter was never mentioned. Just their son.
ReplyDeleteTo hear they had a daughter and what happened to you
just kills me. To think what I know of them and then hearing this is just...
I appreciate you writing again to help me better understand your earlier response.Yes in recent weeks I am finding out stories that have been told about me including that I had died giving birth and the child died too ( both of us are very much alive) while others were only told of my brother and his little family. People would make a comment about me to my mother and she would act as if she had no idea who I was or would say Sorry you have the wrong person I only have one child.
For many years I carried the shame of the sexual stuff done to me as a child. I am not done telling my story there is more to come. The truth must get out.
Yes he has taught in their college and is currently a pastor in one of their Washington churches.
The leaders are aware of his behavior but they chose to pretend it didn't happen except giving him a slap on the wrist.
Yes I hope this does bring out others because I know there are others for a fact.
Hugs,
Julie
Anon said...wow, I haven't been out to look at the NTCC's "dirty secrets" but it just doesn't end. I left over two years ago, and I never regretted my decision. Julie,
ReplyDeleteI am glad you left. Yes there are a lot of dirty secrets out.
Anon said.....And to think that your parents let Davis bully and verbally abuse their daughter is so typical of this cult.
Yes it is typical of this cult.
Thanks for your comment.
Hugs,
Julie
DNA said....I'm so glad you can't hurt any of us anymore. We no longer fall under the influence of your mind control. People are realizing that they can be saved without you and that salvation is more abundant when it is received from a source that isn't hiding a bunch of corruption and filth behind their facade of phony holiness.
ReplyDeleteYes I am so glad to be free from the control of these people. It is thrilling to have salvation and know for sure I can go to heaven outside of the borg.
I appreciate you stand up for me. Thanks for your comment.
Hugs,
Julie
A message to the New Testament Christian Churches of America, INC. and it's leaders:
ReplyDeleteWe know that you are not a church, but a cult and that you have been masquerading as a wholesome church for decades now. We also know for certain by your own actions and behavior that there is nothing more important to you than money. When the truth becomes public and people in your own ranks begin to question your motives it effects your bottom line and the river of money that you love so much becomes constricted.
If any harm comes to Julie because of this, it will heavily implicate you and give the authorities a clear motive. We would hope that you would not be stupid enough to do anything to harm her, but if anything were to happen to her we would go straight to the authorities and we would share every testimony of every person that you have abused and hurt over the decades that we have record of. We also would expend all of our energy and resources to shine the light on your so called "non-profit" money making cult and real estate empire and we will go to every media outlet in the country and share all the dirt we've ever received on you.
Again, Kekel, I don't think you are stupid enough at this point to try anything, but just in case, we want to put this out there for everyone to read. You all have brought this upon yourselves, and we would love nothing more than to see you never harm another soul on this planet. You have had so many opportunities to make things right but you have never attempted to repair any of the damages you or your Father in Law have caused. You have made excuse after excuse and tried to cover it all up and in the process you have hurt some very good people that God still loves.
I don't think they'll go after Julie. Not now. But I could imagine them inviting ralph st. clair and his wife joan st. clair over to the mansion for dinner. Flattering themselves, thinking it's a show of support. Meanwhile phil kinson or some other flunkie will be out in the garage draining the master (brake) cylinder, rendering their brakes inop for that final drive into eternity. Afterwards davis or kekl could cry some crocodile tears from the pulpit like davis did after deliberately running off mike marshall. The ntcc pulpiteer could claim the st. clair deaths as "the judgment of God", in true ntcc style, while lying and claiming that "pastor didn't know anything about child abuse". Ahem. Yeah, right, whatever; you liars.
ReplyDeleteWhat will they say about these musings. Simple. They will say we are inventors of evil things.
Well, this is, of course, speculation. But Julie's story is the truth. She was abused. The ntcc leaders did know about it. The ntcc let ralph st. clair and joan st. clair abuse their daughter. The ntcc leaders allowed the abuse to continue and gave ralph st. clair a minister's license.
Those are evil things that the ntcc leaders have done and are doing. What comes next? That may be up to you and your response. Will you let them keep abusing kids and hiding the abusers? That's what happens when you stay and pay your tithe to these reprobates. Why would you be a part of such a group?
Oh boy, I bet kekel and his other pulpiteers are preaching up a storm about the "ungodly filth" and "conspiracy theories" on these blogs. Well, these are just are opinions. Of course, we base our opinions on observing their treacherous behavior over the past four decades. Do you still really think that Moreno took his own life after shooting his pregnant wife and young son??? Or did Moreno have some "help" with those murders?
ReplyDeleteWhat would the organization do to protect their cash flow?
Well, we know for a fact that they would allow a couple to abuse an innocent special needs girl for her entire life.
Is that really what Christianity is all about? You make the call.
One more thing. The ntcc really needs phil kinson. After all, kekel has never been anywhere or done anything. So the ntcc needs philandering phil to present a front of legitimacy for kekel. Just like davis had olson as a hype man to build up davis as if he was some great apostle; kekel needs phil to kiss his butt. Why? Because the phil and debbie have been out in different types of ministries in the States and overseas. So kekel needs that to make him look as if he knows something (even though he's never pioneered a church, never run a servicemen's home, and has always had davis telling him what to do).
ReplyDeleteWhat would the organization do to protect front-man phil kinson?
They ran off Moreno for exposing phil's trip to the whore house. Who knows what else happened?
Something to think about.
Anyway we felt compelled to throw a few theories out there for the borg leaders to chew on. Paul said "For to me to live is Christ and to Die is gain Phl 1:21. The Moreno story was a very tragic one and many aspects of it didn't make sense. Others have expressed concerns about that story also, but the majority of the X-er community might think we went overboard by sharing those thoughts publicly. We don't care. We just want a public record of these things just in case they decide to do something drastic. We feel that it wouldn't be the first time but if it's out there for everyone to read it will make things difficult for them to do anything really stupid or drastic. Moreno's story was suppressed and never became public until after his death. Moreno supposedly did something that nobody believed he could do. There were no witnesses except for an ntcc preacher that was on the phone with him when he supposedly killed himself and his family. Not sure how detailed the police investigation was, but the media had no details and it was treated like an open and shut case. So sad. The borg spun it and used it as an admonition to keep people living in fear. "This is what will happen to you if you leave the borg". Meanwhile all the details of Moreno catching Kinson trying to retrieve his wallet from a whorehouse and how they treated Moreno and his wife for doing what was right and coming forward and standing up to them were suppressed. Moreno was treated like he committed an unforgivable sin and all he wanted to do was go to bible school and become a preacher. He had more character than they did and we are expected to believe that he just decided to hate God one day and kill his family? Who knows what really happened that day? God does. To this day the ntcc does not deny that Kinson was frequenting a whorehouse and even Kinson himself would not come out and deny it, but in a very Clintonesque way, he said that "The only woman I've ever 'slept' with was my wife." We all know that you don't go to a whore house to sleep. Kinson was promoted and prospered while the one who stood up to him ended up dead and his family with him. Now, we believe in mercy and true repentance and there are many that betrayed their wives or husbands and committed adultery. If they confess their sins and truly repent, they can and will be forgiven. But the ntcc and it's leaders and folks like Kinson feel no obligation to make anything right nor to confess their sins. Many people died because of David's sin, but he confessed and found mercy and forgiveness. What makes Kinson so special or Davis? They hide everything and at the expense of others they prosper.
ReplyDeleteI said the media had no details. I meant to say they had no details of the forensic investigation.
ReplyDeleteWell I missed quite a bit while I was down sick. Julie as your story unfolds, just know I too am here for you my dear!
ReplyDeleteAlso, I wanted to add to the part about the hair - This is how they justify it (reading the comments reminded me of this!!): When I was in AZ, Sister Hall was worried about wearing various 'hair pieces'. I'll never forget the big to do about it. So they contacted WA. The answer came back to them about wearing various lengths of hair pieces. Sister Hall went on and on over how since she had (only recently mind you at that time) but been wearing LONGER hair pieces, it made her LOOK like her hair and grown and she would always need to wear longer ones now only because if she went back to HER regular hair/hair length, it would APPEAR as though she cut her hair! HA I knew they were pieces - everyone knew! COME ON I remember thinking! SO I'm sure little miss TK would have to keep trimming hers to make it continue to look like it was that length and never would grow any longer. I remember many professing her hair just stopped growing. HOG WASH. I don't believe it! So . . . . there you have THEIR justification.
Kat said....Also, I wanted to add to the part about the hair - This is how they justify it (reading the comments reminded me of this!!): When I was in AZ, Sister Hall was worried about wearing various 'hair pieces'. I'll never forget the big to do about it. So they contacted WA. The answer came back to them about wearing various lengths of hair pieces. Sister Hall went on and on over how since she had (only recently mind you at that time) but been wearing LONGER hair pieces,
ReplyDeleteOh your comments make me think of the poofing the front of women's hair. I remember they said It was important for women to look older so minister's wives wouldn't be looked down upon for being so young.
So having a 14 yr old poof their hair is going to gain more respect no that just gained more guys looking at them. It does no good trying to make a 16 or 20 year old look like their 35. It is like an 85 year old trying to dress like a 15. It looks insane and for those that have trouble poofing their hair it makes them look stupid. So I look my age or younger then let me do a happy dance.
It also makes me think of the big deal about knowing a minister's age is such a bad deal. Well if you know the minister is 23 and he says something stupid then you can chalk it up to his age. If you think the 23 year old is 35 then you think worse of him then you would if you knew his age.
I will never forget the day I had to start poofing my hair. I was 14 years old. I had already been wearing pantyhose and high heels since 11 years old. Tanya Kekel came over and took me up to the sttic in the Lakewood house which was my room. She sat me down and without warning began poofing my hair. I began to cry for I didn't want the hair do. I was told I would get the belt if I didn't stop and go forward with a willing attitude. I feared who would be giving it so I numbed the pain away. (My father or Kekel) The next month I was told who I was going to date and eventual marry.
As far as hair pieces many many women wear them in the borg. There is so much to say.
Thanks for your comments and support. Please continue to comment. It is greatly appreciated.
Hugs,
Julie
How many remember how your purse had to match your shoes. If it didn't people's lives would be destroy.
ReplyDeleteOkay who didn't match their purse and shoes? I remember the first time I was brave enough not to match. I thought it was really going to kill me or hurt someone. Ihad no idea others had been doing it for years. People outside the group thought I was crazy but that was all I knew.
I can't count how many times I forgot something in another purse. I would be humilated because I was told if I wasn't so dumb/retarded I would forget to put things from one purse to another. How hard can that be?
Now it is said that was never a rule. Well I am here to say I got in trouble by Davis himself for failure to match.
Hugs,
Julie
Julie said,
ReplyDelete"they said It was important for women to look older so minister's wives wouldn't be looked down upon for being so young"
Angela says,
Ha! That's such a lie. What is really going on here is the organization is trying to hide the fact that they promote or force young girls to marry older men! Many girls who were only 16 were married off to men who were much older.
Now, if you were a dude who grew up in ntcc, my heart goes out to you. Because of their weird CULTure and isolationistic policies you really may not have known how freakish this is. You were probably struggling like all young men with a healthy amount of hormones driving you to seek a spouse.
But for you guys who grew up outside the organization:
WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?
Come on, man! Can you honestly say that your buddies who knew you before you sucked into the ntcc would understand you getting hitched to a 16 year old?
DOES THE TERM JAIL-BAIT RING A BELL?
HELLO!
Seriously, guys. Imagine telling your Army buddies that now that you have joined a cult, you have to wait for your fiances' parents to sign a permission slip for you to get married. DUH!
They are rightly going to call you Chester, Chester, child molester!
"Well, it's not against the law." Maybe not in Missouri, where the ntcc does the marriages since it has such a backward law that it allows this to happen.
But seriously? You are supposed to be a minister, called of God to lead men and women to Christ. Can't you use some self-restraint and common sense, and good judgment to govern your own life and see how unwise it is to "date" a 14 year old so that you can get her hitched as soon as she hits her sweet 16 birthday?
If it's too late, and you already let the ntcc matchmakers convince you to take the plunge, honor God by honoring your vows. But if you are single, stop letting the organization convince you it's okay to be lusting after an 11 year old girl with her hair poofed when you are a man in his twenties.
I'm just saying!
Please think about it.
With Love,
Angela
"Well, it's not against the law." Maybe not in Missouri...
ReplyDeleteYou can probably marry your cousin in Missouri too!
Its legal to hunt deer with a machine gun in Arkansas too but that don't make it right!
It's also legal to beat your wife in Arkansas. That for sure ain't right. Check it out-
"Women are also a popular subject for laws. Some old Arkansas laws are archaic. There is a law that states female teachers who bob their hair cannot be given a raise. Even more degrading is an old law that states a man can beat his wife in Little Rock provided he does it with a stick no bigger than 3 inches across and not more than once a month."
Stupid Laws said,
ReplyDelete"You can probably marry your cousin in Missouri too!"
DNA say,
If you are in NTCC, you probably ARE marrying your cousin!