Who Is The Liar?
If Johnny Jordan is not back in the NTCC and never made this announcement then Barbara is lying to cover up her sin of ignoring Lisa when she told Barbara that she was raped by Johnny. Barbara has been pitching a major hissy fit ever since she was exposed for physically torturing her children and ignoring the sexual abuse and rape that was committed by Davis against Pam, and for abandoning Lisa when she was pregnant by rape by Johnny Jordan when Lisa was only 15 and pregnant, to care for her handicapped brother Terry. Barbara would later turn custody of her handicapped son over to the state because she wanted nothing to do with him, but was having a good old time elsewhere. What a good heart Lisa had to cope with all of the terrible things that happened to her while trying to take care of her brother Terry. Either way you look at this, Barbara Norton Warwick is a liar and full of wickedness. She is a very evil woman and has no business masquerading as a Christian. You can put a dress on the devil and she still is the devil. Barbara Norton Warwick can dress up like a holiness Christian, but she is far from it; and the ntcc continues to hide her sin and the sins of Davis and Jordan. The best thing she can do is own up to her sorry lies and get saved, just like many others were often told in the ntcc. "You just need to get saved". How many times have we all heard that? Barbara needs to hear that. She needs a good dose of salvation.
Jordan is a Convicted Sex Offender; if in Washington, He Has Violated His Probation Terms From Florida, Call 911 !!!
If Johnny is in fact in Washington call the local police. He is a convicted sex offender and the authorities in Florida need to be notified immediately that the convicted criminal has violated the terms of his probation and they need to haul his sorry sexually deviant butt back to prison; and they should throw away the key. Also if it is true, then that means the ntcc is once again guilty of harboring another sex offender; and all of those board members should also be hauled off to prison for allowing that predator to prowl around the church without even notifying people. That puts your children at risk People! If they are considering him a 'brother' and having him make announcements that he never raped Lisa, then that means that they are extremely desperate and resorting to new levels of stupidity to cover up their involvement. It also means they are endorsing him, further endangering your children. They have reached an all time low on this. If any of you ntcc'rs have heard that Johnny Jordan made this announcement, would you take the word of a convicted pedophile and child molester to exonerate Davis from his history of molesting young girls?
Bend Over - You're Getting A Spanking!
And what is the deal with Davis and others in ntcc like kekel and other board members spanking other people's children? We heard this from many people now. More than 3 witnesses that are required by the bible have stated that Davis spanked many children that were not his own. Don't you ntcc'rs feel the slightest bit alarmed that Davis has a history of bending young girls over his knees and pulling down their underwear to spank them? Many of you out there were in the ntcc during this time and knew that Davis was spanking other people's children. Not only did Davis spank other children, but he taught other ministers to do the same. Barbara also has a history of spanking other people's children - like the little boy Caleb; who lived upstairs from the Nortons in St. Louis. If you allow your children to be spanked by Barbara, beware. She has been known to curse at children while she spanks them. It's got to be an evil spirit that resides in her to take pleasure in spanking children and it must be a horrifying experience to those children who have been spanked by her. If you need a church leader or another church member to spank your children then you do not love them the way you should. Don't allow this cult to destroy your child's life.
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Pedophile Pastors?
We are finding out that Davis was the worst kind of sexual predator. People have been abused as children by Davis; and now that it's public knowledge, you must wonder why your church and your leaders are trying so hard to cover all of this up. If you are so desperate that you need an announcement from a convicted pedophile to convince people that your Floundering Founder did not molest children, then you are truly misguided; and anyone who witnessed that or heard that Johnny Jordan made this announcement publicly, should be in a state of shock. But it appears that many of you ntcc'rs are more content to blame the victims of these tragic deeds. You are so blind that you would accept a pedophile as a 'brother' just to protect the name of your cult, oops I meant church; no I didn't; it's definitely a cult!
Snip Snip It's As Easy as 1 - 2 - 3 & More Kids Get Raped:
Maybe Barbara was lying about all this. From what we can see if she did lie, then she falls into the category of "All" Liars and shall have her part where? We all know where, it's the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, where the worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched. [Rev 21:8 here, Rev 20:14 here, Mark 9:44-48 here]. But if she told the truth, and convicted child rapist Johnny Jordan was or is in Washington, that puts more children at risk We know he raped his ex-wife's little sister Lisa (1), but was unpunished. We know he was convicted in Florida for forcing sex on another child (2). And we know that statistics say he is likely to offend again if he gets the opportunity (3). We also know from statistics, that electronic monitoring has limitations.
There is a high probablilty that the ankle bracelet was cut or removed [read more...] professionally for the right price, paid for by the wrong people; and the possibility that J. Jordan was brought to Graham during davis' funeral to refute Pam and Lisa's Testimonies. This seems a little far fetched in some ways; but let's examine it just for the sake of it being possible. Let's say Johnny Jordan is sitting down in Florida on house arrest with nothing to do; and he Googles his name and finds out about his sins of the past being made public. He calls Graham and finds out that Davis is on his death bed and was being eXposed by all of those X-ers who are eXposing davis for child molestation. Johnny Jordan sees this as an opportunity, and says to Kekel or Olson or his NTCC Board Member brother George aka "Bobby" Jordan, or NTCC Senior Staff and Seminary Instructor brother (Timothy) Paul Jordan, or NTCC Executive Board Member Brother-In-Law James Ross Ashmore: "For 80 Grand, I can get my ankle bracelet cut and have it put on my dog; who also is under house arrest; and, if you are willing to shell that out and some extra hush money, I will even deny that these horrible crimes were ever committed. But if you don't pay my way, and my expenses, and some extra money for my troubles, I will come out publicly and say that Davis was a serial adulterer; and that he molested my ex-wife." Sound like a conspiracy theory? We guarantee you that stranger things have happened. [Read More]
Having shared all that, we personally are more inclined to believe that Barbara Norton Warwick is a habitual pathological liar, who curses while she beats children; and that she will go down to the lower parts of the earth defending Davis before she ever were to acknowledge the truth.
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| barbaric barbara norton warwick "The Talk Of The Town" who reportedly beat children while cursing them and blaming them. She claims Kekel personally told her to tell Lisa to "Shut Your Mouth!" When she told me this, Lisa also retorted, "WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? SPANK ME?" LOL She's not a helpless little girl any more! Is she!?! Nope. |
But if Barbara did slip up and accidentally rat out Johnny Jordan, we have done our part to protect the ntcc children from that convicted felon who is a sex offender.
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| UPDATED 3-4-2014 FDLE FILE PHOTO JOHNNY DEAN JORDAN CONVICTED SEX OFFENDER. LINK TO FLYER SHOWS NEW CONVICTIONS IN 2013 FOR FAILURE TO REGISTER SENTENCE-5 YR PROBATION CLICK HERE TO READ THE FLYER |
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ReplyDeleteWe do not have the BraveNet counter on this page; because it reveals the country and general area from which comments originate. In order to protect people who do want to comment, we have NOT used that counter for that reason.
People, you and your story are both very important. We understand how ntcc builds up a fear in individuals. But God does not want you to live in fear.
He gave you a voice for a reason. He gave you a brain for a reason. He gave you a heart for a reason. Don't be afraid. Use your talent. You could literally save a life!
2Tim 1:7 KJV - For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
utter shock and disgust might be another reason why people don't comment
ReplyDeleteIt truly is sad how we all have behaved to the stories of these women. I remember Julie and to tell u the truth , I never became acquainted with her for we were always coming and going like gypsies here and there and it was hard to get to know anybody that well.
ReplyDeleteI feel sad for all the stuff that these women suffered I can't even imagine how they survived!
All I can say is that they truly are overcomers!
I recall how some of th moms in bible school belonged to this website that would give them alerts and info on the whereabouts of these child offenders. Some were very serious on how they never let their kids go out and play outside and this and that. And to think that there's child predators in their midst and they won't do anything about it is unimaginable to say the least!
ReplyDeleteWhen Lisa talked with me on the phone, she told me how barb said that kekel wanted her to tell Lisa "SHUT YOUR MOUTH!"
ReplyDeleteI laughed so hard, knowing that was not going to go as expected for kekel and barb. But Lisa really cracked me up even more when she said she retorted,
"WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? SPANK ME?"
Oh! Wahahaha! That is so funny I can barely type even now as tears of joy stream down my face. These girls - Lisa, Lori, Pam, and Julie, are such a hoot. Each one is special and has a special place in our hearts.
Wow, this blog just never ceases to amaze me, if this man Johnny Jordan has returned to Graham, then no child is safe. This is a very sick organization to allow a convicted sex offender to return to the fold. Of course he will deny it, this is what pedophiles do. Very scary indeed. I guess you will see a lot more children sitting at n church with the parents when someone like this can have access to your child, or do they just live in a state of denial.
ReplyDeleteDisappointed - Your Yahoo e-mail may be hacked. Getting weird e-mails from it.
ReplyDeleteDon't click on the strange links in those e-mails.
ReplyDeleteIt's a shame. Too bad the children are the one's affected. Whether or not Johnny is in Graham is of little consequence. There is always another Johnny hanging around the NTCC. Many NTCC parents have lost the natural affection that a parent should have for their children. It happened to a lot of us to one degree or another. We were more interested in pleasing some stupid cult leader than effectively taking care of our own children. Warwick the dirt bag just took it to another level.
ReplyDeleteThe NTCC parents are so blinded by the cult leaders that they willfully allow their children to be exposed to NTCC predators and molesters. Taylor used to viciously spank children to include is own kid. I witnessed it. Looking back at it, he should have been arrested which eventually, (to my understanding) he was. I'll tell you this much: I wouldn't allow these NTCC creeps to get anywhere near my kid but more importantly I would allow my kid to be exposed to these NTCC creeps/leaders.
NTCC leaders are deranged human beings; that's for certain and they are anything but Godly. Maybe RWD was on to something. These NTCC dads should have all gotten vasectomies because no kid should be exposed to the type of creeps that regularly occupy positions of leadership in the NTCC. A lot of the regular brothers are pretty warped also.
If you are making your child sit in an NTCC church for 4 or 5 days out of a week, you suck as a parent and you don't even know it. If your kids are sitting in (children's church) in the NTCC for 4 or 5 days a week, you suck as a parent and your kids are being exposed to some seriously demented folks without doubt. All the leaders in the NTCC are demented to one degree or another. Kinson, Kekel, Ashmore and Olson are the bottom of the bucket. Some real dirt bags. The minds of (faithful) NTCC parents operate in a sick twisted fashion because they actually believe that the NTCC way is the right way and they couldn't possibly be more wrong and their kids childhoods are being destroyed.
I was at that conference where rev Taylor was passed through the coals about spanking kids . He was shamed in front if all of us to the point where I felt sorry for him. He wasn't the same afterwards, I could see it in his eyes. He was accused of beating his own child too. And now. We find out that this spanking other peoples kids was allowed in old days gone by and yet they made Taylor look like a monster !
ReplyDeleteCrazy indeed!
We are not saying that Johnny Jordan for sure did return to Washington. Barbara Norton is a very troubled woman and she told Lisa over the phone that Johnny was now a brother and that he announced during Davis' funeral that he never got Lisa pregnant. For all we know, he could have been there. If you read the articles that are linked into this story, the Florida law enforcement officials can't keep up with tracking criminals who cut their ankle bracelets. One murderer, cut his ankle bracelet and killed other people. They didn't even know his monitoring device had been cut until they started investigating the murders. Florida is one of the worst states. Too many criminals being monitored and not enough law enforcement to monitor them.
ReplyDeleteutter shock and disgust might be another reason why people don't comment.....
ReplyDeleteYes I can understand being shocked.....as for disgust I understand that even more for I along with these other girls lived the utter disgusting of it all. Reading it maybe hard but living it is far worse.
Hugs,
Julie
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteIt truly is sad how we all have behaved to the stories of these women.
Thank you for those words they really mean a lot. We in our journey to healing need much care from those that have been in this cult even if you or others haven't been hurt in the same manner; for all of us girls are sharing the wounds of our hearts.
Hugs,
Julie
Anon said.... I remember Julie and to tell u the truth , I never became acquainted with her for we were always coming and going like gypsies here and there and it was hard to get to know anybody that well.
ReplyDeleteYeah they made sure people didn't get to know each other. I am so glad we have the freedom to have friends now without permission or control in the middle of it all.
Hugs,
Julie
Anonymous said:
ReplyDelete"If you are making your child sit in an NTCC church for 4 or 5 days out of a week, you suck as a parent and you don't even know it. If your kids are sitting in (children's church) in the NTCC for 4 or 5 days a week, you suck as a parent and your kids are being exposed to some seriously demented folks without doubt."
DNA said:
Very well said. The ntcc has a history of allowing the biggest perverts to watch their children. They put Rudy in charge of the Day school. He was a cross-dressing tranvestite who was spanking and touching the children inappropriately! Spanking is a big time sexual fetish for control freak pervs like kekel and davis.
Listen, most normal people that don't belong to a cult don't even allow other people to spank their children. The ntcc leaders used to do it in private, like Davis taught them. The mothers would be waiting outside; or it would be done in the sick perverted church leader's bedroom.
It really seems evil to me. It reminds me of serial rapists and serial murderers; they literally get off on having power over the innocent and weaker victim.
You've got to wonder what kind of damage it does to the child! It seems like so many of the abusive jerks that beat women and children are often found in cults just like the ntcc.
Men say that the bible teaches Spare the Rod, spoil the child. While there is a place and a method for discipline, the ntcc have allowed this to get way out of hand.
Most of the problems that ntcc families have are related to not spending enough quality time together. They can not do this; because they are too busy doing really stupid cult-mandated things; because their schedule is micromanaged by control-freak cult leaders.
If a child is loved by both parents, and they are involved in their child's life, the child has a better chance of being raised right. If you provide a loving environment for your children and show interest in them, then they will want to do things right.
The problem is in the ntcc most of the parents don't have time to properly raise their children; and they are required to dump them off with some ntcc pervert teaching Sunday school; but they have no idea about the 'special' kind of love (sexual molestation and or spanking) that is being introduced to their children.
Others leave their children with people like Barbara Norton Warwick. That to me would be like leaving them with the 'Bride of Chucky' or reliving 'Friday the 13th'.
The ntcc leaders seem to share the belief that you can spank the devil out of children. That is not what the bible says.
The ntcc is chock full of perverts. There is no shortage. PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN!!! It is your responsibility, don't put your child in the position of having to deal with this perversion.
While you are in the 'adult' sanctuary praising God and shouting "Amen!" to perverts like Kinson and Kekel [who both molested teen girls (jail bait)], you have no idea what is happening with your children.
We wonder what Kekel would do if you all refused to leave your children in Sunday school? We think that "filthy evil" kekel would "throw a hissy fit" from the pulpit!
Find a healthy church. Go to a church where you don't have to worry about some pedophile fondling or spanking your child. At the very least, make sure that they do background checks on their employees! Even then it is still your responsibility as a parent to know what is going on with your child.
Anonymous said.....
ReplyDeleteThis is a very sick organization to allow a convicted sex offender to return to the fold. Of course he will deny it, this is what pedophiles do. Very scary indeed. I guess you will see a lot more children sitting at n church with the parents when someone like this can have access to your child, or do they just live in a state of denial.
Yes I agree it is a very sick organization and it doesn't care about children at all. I hope that parents will take the safety of the children serious for I would never want a child to go through even apart of what I went through for the pain of the abuse is there even now.
Hugs,
Julie
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteI recall how some of th moms in bible school belonged to this website that would give them alerts and info on the whereabouts of these child offenders. Some were very serious on how they never let their kids go out and play outside and this and that. And to think that there's child predators in their midst and they won't do anything about it is unimaginable to say the least!
Yes there is concern for those on the outside hurting their children but they need to check closer to home.
My second time around in bible school I remember someone's parent coming through asking if background checks were done on people and Kekel blow is top and said you only have to do that to sinners out there not in our church. The lady explained that other churches did this. Once again Kekel said that is because they allow sinners to be apart of their church we don't allow sinners in here.
At that time I had no idea what a background check was just knew from that conversation it was for sinners only whatever that meant.
Hugs,
Julie
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteIt's a shame. Too bad the children are the one's affected. Whether or not Johnny is in Graham is of little consequence. There is always another Johnny hanging around the NTCC. Many NTCC parents have lost the natural affection that a parent should have for their children. It happened to a lot of us to one degree or another. We were more interested in pleasing some stupid cult leader than effectively taking care of our own children. Warwick the dirt bag just took it to another level.
That is for sure there is always another Johnny Jordan hanging around and they don't care as long as that pervert is helping them on some level.
Children are treated little a bounce ball bounce here and there cult leaders training parents not to care where they land as long as the parents do what they are told.
Barbara Warwick did take it to a level that is so horrible and evil. She was and is one cruel woman. What she did to her children and allowed to happen to her children is wicked. She doesn't deserve the title of mom.
Hugs,
Julie
Anonymous said....
ReplyDeleteWe find out that this spanking other peoples kids was allowed in old days gone by and yet they made Taylor look like a monster !
Yeah spanking other peoples' children has went back to the beginning.
They have to shame those they think will not profit them so it appears they have standards they really don't have hiding the real monsters in their midst including themselves.
They openly rebuke someone fooling people into believing they are against something when in fact they are doing more damage behind closed doors then the one they claim is so horrible.
When they would rebuke people I would think they are doing this to me but they are rebuking others for doing it. This just led me to believe it was meant to happen to me by those doing it. With no knowledge I had no way of knowing things were wrong.
Hugs,
Julie
DNA said.....
ReplyDeleteVery well said. The ntcc has a history of allowing the biggest perverts to watch their children. They put Rudy in charge of the Day school. He was a cross-dressing tranvestite who was spanking and touching the children inappropriately! Spanking is a big time sexual fetish for control freak pervs like kekel and davis.
Yeah I was one of the children that Ruby got a hold of back then.
The way you describe Davis and Kekel fits them completely. They get to hide in a cult while others join secret spanking groups to do the very same things.
It is just so sick what these people do.
Hugs,
Julie
HOPCC Site - Thanks for the info on HOPCC. We found it in our spam folder and have forwarded it.
ReplyDeleteAnother sick thing is the way the late and not so great RWD promoted fierce and inhuman parenting, and then, when Tanya was a teenager, boasting about how he only spanked her six times. Most of the kids I knew around NTCC got that many every week, at least, because this phony apostle put the fear of hell and guilt for "blood on our hands" for "lost souls" into us for having "unruly children." But he was coddling his own, for sure. He used to also boast about how he whipped Eddie Mears. His departure from our midst caused far more rejoicing than mourning in the world.
ReplyDeleteif in fact JJ is violating his probation or not properly registered he has to be reported. even if he is just attending church .not just the minister's are obligated to this task. laity holding a professional license such as teacher, healthcare,social worker,etc.you can lose your license and/or be fined.
ReplyDeleteI remember that Davis used to pray: "God, give them members just like themselves!"
ReplyDeleteIt looks like God gave Davis a bunch of members just like himself. The ntcc definitely has it's share of adulterers, perverts, child molesters and other sexual deviants. Be careful what you pray for, God might give you what you ask for others.
For those who think that we take pleasure in this stuff, you are wrong. I hate it with a passion. I once held Davis, all the board members and the organization leaders in very high regard. There was a time when I probably would have died for any of them. I definitely wasn't living for myself in those days. Many of us gave up our lives, dreams and futures in pursuit of mirroring the lives of Davis and others because we mistakenly thought that they were pursuing God. They would often say, "Follow me as I follow Christ". Very few of them really followed Christ. Most of them followed Davis. That is why so few of them made it, and the ones that are still around are following in Davis' perverted footsteps rather than those of Jesus.
The board members in the ntcc are all corrupt because not one of them will do the right thing and try to make things right with some of the thousands of people that they have stepped on, kicked in the back, climbed over, stolen from and abused over the years. We are all just considered collateral damage as people like Kekel have become filthy rich and reached new heights in arrogance as they continue to trample the Saints. None of them will admit to any wrong doing and they will continue to hide their own sins along with the sins of Davis. So many warnings were given to the weakest Christians that were never adhered to by the ntcc elite: "God can not bless sin". "Be careful what you ask for, God might give it to you".
Maybe God wasn't blessing and keeping souls because people were striving so hard to be like Davis and forgot who they were supposed to be following.
I've been following this blog for a while. I'm an ex NTCC member. I've been gone for a while. I know what I went through and a lot of what I've read sounds so familiar. I admit sometimes the way things are said seems venomous but, really, how else can it be brought out? My heart goes out to all who have been affected by this church. I have been reading the comments about the parents in NTCC. The shame and stupidity I feel for allowing myself to get involved with this church and the restrictions I placed on my children unnecessarily causes me to feel great sadness. My children were never spanked by anyone else but I spanked more than I should have until the day I finally just said "no more". The evening I got my child and walked out and never went back was necessary but scary because where did I go from there? As an adult and a parent I feel like I should never have been gullible enough to get involved in this church. Not only did I cause myself so much grief but I hurt my children in the process. Forgiving myself is difficult.
ReplyDeleteI can totally relate. That's the biggest regret that most of us (who had children while we were with the NTCC) have about being involved with the NTCC. Especially with double standards that were not only allowed but promoted with the Kekel's son.
ReplyDeleteIt's an absolute slap in the face. I can't stand the NTCC. The NTCC leadership is comprised of crooks and criminals; everyone of them without exception. Low down bottom of the bucket dirt bags. Kekel, Kinson, Ashmore, Jones, and Olson. Dirty low down dirt bags.
Anonymous said:
ReplyDelete" I admit sometimes the way things are said seems venomous but, really, how else can it be brought out?"
DNA said:
I understand how you feel. When I first read the blogs, I thought that they were mini hate groups that were filled with bitter people. We were trained to think this way, and it's really easy to fall into that trap. Much of what we say, as negative as it may sound, is true. We are not making this stuff up. There are good people that were done wrong by some very corrupt and religious Hucksters.
They remain silent for one reason and one reason only. They are guilty and they want it all to go away. The stuff that we have shared on this blog is only a sample of what the ntcc is all about, and if we were to sugar coat it, then we would be just as bad as they are. We have to remember that they made a living off of blasting people and preaching against their sins.
Solomon sums it up:
"they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept." Sng 1:6
They are so fixated on correcting those around them, that they have let their own backyards grow over with thorns and briers. If they would expend half of the energy on restoring people as they do on tearing them down, they wouldn't be so obviously exposed by their own deeds.
We are often made out to be pretty bad people, because we shed the same light on them, that they shed on others and us. And if you really look at it closely, they are some of the worst offenders. I remember Rudy used to rail against Homosexuality, and he was one of the worst offenders. Davis would drop the Axe on many sincere ministers, without mercy, disgracing them in public for things that paled in comparison to the secret sins he had kept hidden for so many years.
Anonymous said:
ReplyDelete" Not only did I cause myself so much grief but I hurt my children in the process. Forgiving myself is difficult."
DNA said:
Don't be too hard on yourself because the mistakes you have made were also made by many others. We are glad you escaped to freedom with your children. That's more than many have done. I fear for the ones that are still in, especially those who have been in for many years. They are institutionalized. They are like prisoners that have been locked away in a penitentiary for many years and they are afraid of freedom because they have forgotten how to function without someone else manipulating their lives.
There are so many that will stay in even though they know it's a cult, but they will lie to themselves and continue to think that they are man's last hope, because they can't deal with the fact that they have wasted so many years. When we hear of someone escaping, we rejoice, because that is one more soul that will not be used or abused while people like Kekel get rich. I don't care how long you are in the ntcc for, if you can escape and start thinking for yourself, and live for God of your own free will, you are so much better off.
Don't beat yourself up too bad. We've all been there and you've done the best thing you could have possibly done for your family and that is to remove them from the abusers.
Anonymous said....My children were never spanked by anyone else..........As an adult and a parent I feel like I should never have been gullible enough to get involved in this church. Not only did I cause myself so much grief but I hurt my children in the process. Forgiving myself is difficult.
ReplyDeleteJulie says....
First of all I want to commend you for not allowing others to spank your child. I speak as a child that grew -up all my life in this insane place. This very thing saved your children from a lot more heartache that they could have suffered.
As a parent I praise you for the courage to leave when you did no matter how young or old your children this action shows how incredible person you are really.
As far as guilt I know how you feel. My heart aches for you right now. In this group they use the whip on you and when you leave you feel the need to take the whip with you continuing the beating on your own as you realize how insane they are and what they took of your life. They beat you up enough to last a lifetime. I hope that you can throw aside that whip and realize you deserve so much better. Believing you me I know the struggle.
To God you are special just as you are right now.
Hugs,
Julie
Anonymous Vic Johanson said...
ReplyDeleteAnother sick thing is the way the late and not so great RWD promoted fierce and inhuman parenting, and then, when Tanya was a teenager, boasting about how he only spanked her six times. Most of the kids I knew around NTCC got that many every week, at least, because this phony apostle put the fear of hell and guilt for "blood on our hands" for "lost souls" into us for having "unruly children."
Yes he did put the pressure on parents to spank their children. He taught to start when your children were babies. Like if you don't beat your child they will go to hell. Those evil people misguiding parents.
Hugs,
Julie
Vic said....
ReplyDeleteBut he was coddling his own, for sure. He used to also boast about how he whipped Eddie Mears. His departure from our midst caused far more rejoicing than mourning in the world.
Julie says....
Yes he did cuddle his own. I remember a few times where I or others would be at Davis' house in St. Louis something would happen all the kids would get in trouble but never Tanya. She was such a liar and tale-teller.
One time I was over there and she spilled a whole can of pop then blamed me for ruining some of Davis' papers. I got a spanking from Davis over it. Then she went and lied told him I said it didn't hurt and was laughing about the spanking. The second time around I felt like I had a sunburn on half my back, butt, and legs. It hurt so bad. Tanya thought it was funny.
Like clockwork I ended up being spanked by Ralph and Joan that night. I remember screaming through Ralph and Joan's spankings. I can actually feel the pain at this moment.
I had to wear dark tights until my legs healed up. I was told the reason for the dark tights was so I wouldn't embarrass myself by others seeing how bad a girl was actually. I didn't know they wanted to hide the marks least someone say something about them.
This was just one of the times I got in trouble because of Tanya's lies. She didn't care who got hurt from her lies. Davis never did anything when she would make fun of others in trouble either. I got in trouble one day because I said I didn't like her. Well Joan said isn't it fun that you get to spend time with Tanya? I said No. Joan asked, Why? I said I don't like her. She asked and I gave an honest answer yet I got in trouble. They tell me to tell the truth then get mad. Stupid people.
Hugs,
Julie
One time I was over there and she spilled a whole can of pop then blamed me for ruining some of Davis' papers. I got a spanking from Davis over it. Then she went and lied told him I said it didn't hurt and was laughing about the spanking. The second time around I felt like I had a sunburn on half my back, butt, and legs. It hurt so bad. Tanya thought it was funny.
ReplyDeleteHey Tanya Kekel Davis how about apologizing for this to Julie for all you evilness you have done to her??? Are you really a Christian or rather a wicked person? Apologize to Julie Tanya!!!! You can also apologize for the wicked ways of your father to her. Even some children of the Nazy's apologized to the jews for their fathers evil deeds to them! And you can too TK!!!
Good luck with that! It's a nice idea to have tanya apologize for her own faults, much less her dad's; but tanya's daddy dearest, rodger-dodger, never apologized to anyone for all his wicked ways. He pretended to at one time, from the pulpit. It wound up being an equally offensive statement in which he claimed he hadn't done anything wrong - ever. I still remember his insolent tone, and how he impudently stuck his chin out, mouth contorted in a sneer, daring anyone to challenge his ludicrous lie. Preposterous.
ReplyDeleteHey Tanya Kekel Davis how about apologizing for this to Julie for all you evilness you have done to her??? Are you really a Christian or rather a wicked person? Apologize to Julie Tanya!!!! You can also apologize for the wicked ways of your father to her. Even some children of the Nazy's apologized to the jews for their fathers evil deeds to them! And you can too TK!!!
ReplyDeleteApologize good thought but she will never do it. Even when confront with her actions she won't apologize or admit she is wrong for her self-righteous attitude and pride won't let her. It would have been nice if her evil ways stopped after she became an adult but they just got worse when she became of age. Some of the stuff she has done to me cruel is the closet word I can come up with to decide her actions.
Ralph and Joan's reactions to what she would do just made the wounds to my heart that much worse. It is one thing to be unaware of someone's actions but to be aware putting your stamp of approval that causes pain to the very core of someone.
Thank you for wanting an apologize for me from Tanya though that may not happen love and concern of people do make this journey a little bit easier.
Hugs,
Julie
What Joan and Ralph wanted, and received in exchange for access to "the appostle's" inner circle, Was To Sacrifice Julie On The Alter Of RWD. They both used each other to get what they wanted most. The SINclairs, gained prestige among the other "little people," and RWD got momentary satisfaction and escape from reality.
ReplyDeleteBarbra Warwick - Norton did the same thing, all of her children were sacrifice do for the Lard...
The fall out of this sinful, and disgusting conduct is still felt today.
For all of us who have experienced the abuses of this group, I am praying for you, and hope with time, we can all move forward.
DnA, Thank you for the work that you do, and i hope that you stay encouraged in exposing this as well as other corrupt church organization. For years i use to wonder why did God not use the Chief Priest or any of the religious leaders to speak for him, but he would rather raise up Prophets from without to speak for him. Well, it was revealed to me that it was because the religious leaders was corrupt just as some of the church leaders are today, so God raise up some from without to speak of the corruption within. For whatever reason those within ntcc are afraid to speak out of the corruption within, it takes those without and as you have said before i to would have done anything that ntcc would have asked of me, but glory be to God for delivering me and others. Once again thank you for your work and keep up tthe good work.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous makes an excellent point about the exchange. Just sacrifice your children on the altar of the child molesting perverts, and you too can be part of that inner circle. Some of you are doing so right now. You read the blogs, and you know in your heart that this group is wrong. Yet you remain. Your children are growing. You know your daughters will be married off too young with not enough education and no skills to care for themselves. You know your sons will be slaves to the borg, confined to menial labor, always told they are never good enough. You've seen yourself and your spouse change over the years, hardening your hearts, justifying the sins of the wicked leadership. Yet you remain. It's sad. Your sowing a bad crop and we fear your children will reap the harvest. We hope it is not so; but would it be any surprise? For you have sat back and watched the abuse and turned a blind eye. You have listened to the board members and know what's really going on, and do nothing to change it all. Shame on you. How will you answer to God for what you've become and what you've allowed in your life? Don't you know that doing nothing can be just as much of a sin as doing the dirty deeds? You've become a partaker in other men's sins. We fear for you and your children.
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ReplyDeleteThat's interesting about the prophets being raised up. I hadn't paid attention to it that way; but it makes sense. The prophets usually suffered too. Look at their lives, the circumstances they faced, being told by God to rebuke a king. You better be sure it is God telling you. Right? Not an easy job. But there are those who are willing to do whatever God wants.
Maurice, we are so glad you escaped NTCC! And thank you for your kind words. And thank you to the many people who write to us and thank us and encourage us. It means a great deal to us; for we love your souls. We do not seek to profit from anything on this blog. Our sole purpose is to warn, educate, and liberate souls.
You brought up another good point, Maurice, about exposing other corrupt church organizations. Though they are not our focus, the same principles apply. Sharing the truth about these groups is meant solely to point souls back to Christ as the Head. He is our Savior. He paid the price and finished the work. Alleluia! Without Him, we could do nothing.
So many groups have lost the focus on Christ. They strive to win souls, but lose the relationship with their Savior. The groups slowly turn into organizations with programs rather than groups of individuals with lively relationships with the Lord. He has to be the first. He has to be your first love. He has to be your guide. Without that, your work is in vain. Or worse, like in the NTCC, it becomes a vehicle of exploiting others.
That, Dear Ones, is not what Christianity is all about.
Just want to clarify. We know there are some of you who want out and are waiting for God to open the eyes and hearts and the door. That's fine. We know you want to keep your vow to God and save your family and our hearts go out to you with full compassion. We don't mean to make you feel worse about your terrible position. We understand that. We want you to win and get your family out whole. That's Christ-like.
ReplyDeleteOur previous comment was more of a directed-shooting-fish-in-a-barrel comment meant for those who refuse to move, to pray, to act on what they've witnessed for decades.
God's given each of us a heart. It's up to us to respond to His tugs on that heart, or to harden it. Please consider what we've shared. Is your heart soft for God? If it is, we pray that God comforts you and continues to direct you.
May His grace shine on each of His children as they seek and follow Him.
Maurice, we thank you for your continued support of this blog. We thank all who have taken up the same cause. We are all voices that speak out against the ntcc leadership and the egregious treatment of those who were once considered Saints, chosen by God, but called according to the auspices of corrupt men. We become stronger when our voices are joined by others. Many still live in fear because they were ruled in fear by the ntcc.
ReplyDeleteWe are probably the least or the last of all people that you would expect to speak out against the ntcc executive board members, but we as a collective group will stand against them. We hoped that somebody like Rev. J.P. Rodriguez who has spent much of his ministry in true work on the missionary field, would see through the hypocrisy and lies, and stand against the corruption, the double standards and the outright, obvious, two faced dissimulation of the leadership of this corrupt organization.
Too many people have remained silent. Many have been hurt and their wounds are so deep. We hope people will see through the stain glassed masquerade and realize that the head is sick and the whole body is sick. We have done what we could to expose the ntcc, and others have shared the abuse they suffered. Some will keep their secrets hidden inside until the day they die, and those who sacrifice and share will be labeled as liars and God-haters by the brainwashed masses.
That's okay because we are not making this stuff up. We are not lying, we have not invented the testimonies that have been shared, but everything we speak of has been done out in the open. You ntcc'rs have all witnessed the changes. What happened to your God? Is he on vacation? Perhaps he took a journey? Does God continually change His mind? We are here not to lie about anyone, we are just relaying a message that is found in what you claim to be the infallible Word of Truth, The Word of God.
ReplyDeleteHow many times have we heard the MOG say, If you don't like it, take it up with God? Do you remember when they used to preach against women working on the job? What happened? Did God change His mind about that one? People were ran off and women were blasted for that. The preacher would say, "I didn't write the bible, if you don't like it, take it up with Gawd"!
Remember when people were told not to participate in sports, or not to go to the gym? They would be blasted by the preacher and even their children were expected to dress like Quakers in their gym classes. Not Grant Kekel. What happened to God? Did God change his mind about this topic also? After so many people were jacked up and preached at? Don't blame me, take it up with Gawd? You all witnessed this hypocrisy, and yet we are the devils for pointing it out??? Please grow a spine and stand up for what is right. They married off the little girls to a bunch of perverts and that generation is finally speaking out. Maybe God is sick of you all hiding your sins and pretending like they never happened.
If Elijah was here to witness this I hate to see what he'd do to the prophets of baal, I mean the ntcc. You all are lucky that you aren't living in the old testament, because you'd probably all be gathered up. Don't get mad at us, we didn't write the bible, we are just messengers. Take it up with God!
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ReplyDeleteWhat Joan and Ralph wanted, and received in exchange for access to "the appostle's" inner circle, Was To Sacrifice Julie On The Alter Of RWD. They both used each other to get what they wanted most. The SINclairs, gained prestige among the other "little people,"
Yes they were willing to do whatever it took to be thought highly of not caring about the cost to the one being sacrificed.
It saddens me to think that so many children are sacrificed in many ways so the leaders will look on them as doing great for God. Yet if people stop and think about they still tear you down in some ways even if you think you are please them. Nothing you do will ever be enough for them. They will always want more.
Hugs,
Julie
Barbra Warwick - Norton did the same thing, all of her children were sacrifice do for the Lard...
ReplyDeleteThe fall out of this sinful, and disgusting conduct is still felt today.
Yes Barbara sacrificed all her children not caring what it did to any of her children.
The feeling of the disgusting behavior truly lingers. I feel for all the victims of all the abuse suffered of any kind.
I will pray until I know every soul is safely away from this so corrupted group forever. People don't deserve the pain they cause to adults, children, and families. My heart grieves for the hurting people.
God's love is freely given. It isn't something one has to earn. If only people could see how simple it really is that God's love is unconditional.
Hugs,
Julie
I was in this group for many years. We were discouraged from having children. My wife was told, to encourage me to get fixed, but she refused the advise. The overseer who was advising my wife, had abandoned his children, and never paid child support to his children. Some example. If we slipped and had children, were taught that if we loved them, we would MAKE them attend church, as many as 5 or more times a week. If they DID NOT OBEY, we were encouraged to beat them. We were told that we failed God as a parent, if our children didn't attend B.S. and we also did not qualify as a preacher, if our children did not attend every service. Church time, IS family time, we were told. We had to ask permission, even during B.S. break holidays, to take a few days away from their control for REAL family time, and we're excoriated for not asking, even when nearly the entire student body was gone for a few days at Christmas. We finally woke up to the fact, that, "it was always, about the money!"
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ReplyDelete"We finally woke up to the fact, that, "it was always, about the money!"
DNA said:
Were sorry for what you had to endure as a family in the ntcc, but we are glad you got out. It really is about the money and control in the ntcc. They are a big time cult and they get rich while you get poor. Rich people are often like that and that is probably why Jesus spoke against those who have riches on many different occasions.
You and your family are much better off with out them controlling your lives and telling you what you can and can't do. Kekel is a big time cult leader just like Davis was. They control every aspect of your life that you will allow them to control, so they can use you and manipulate you in various ways. Don't feel bad or look back, because you have done yourself and your family a whole lot of good by leaving. Jesus never looked down on folks for having kids, nor did he encourage anyone to get snipped. This is false teaching, by false prophets, who are control freaks.
Most of the ntcc leaders have a history of abandoning their own family members, or raising them wrong. Davis, Olson, Ashmore, Johnson, Wright and Kekel all have had serious issues raising their children. And that's just the ones we know about. Ashmore's only attempt at child rearing resulted in his step son "going out into sin". Davis allowed Kekel to grope Tanya while she was in her teens. She was rebellious as a child wearing make up and 'devil stirrups' according to those who grew up with her. Johnson's Daughter was also bragged about by Kinson who admitted to groping his teen bride. Olson, Johnson and Davis all married off their daughters before they were old enough to decide for themselves to escape the cult. Tom Wright, had children that were not raised or provided for by him also, and that was shared by his own daughter on the blogs.
This is the culture in the ntcc. This is why we constantly have to point out their double standards and hypocrisy, because the people that are a part of the ntcc, think that they are part of the last move of God on earth, but in reality they are in a cesspool of filth and lies. These double standard board members will preach one thing out of one side of their mouth, while they have done the opposite. They have no business telling anyone how to raise kids. Kekel couldn't even keep Grant out of 'sin' or the 'world', and he allowed grant to break all the rules that everybody else had to abide by. What a bunch of hypocrites they are.
If you are in the ntcc, and you have someone telling you to get a vasectomy, or telling you that you are not right because your kids are doing this or that, just ask them about their own children. Tell them if they would have spent more time raising their kids right and less time worrying about everyone else's kids, perhaps the ntcc wouldn't be such a horrible place to raise children. What a bunch of stinking hypocrites, telling folks how to raise children.
I got the old snip...thankfully an "accident" occurred before that, or they'd have quenched my only coal. It wasn't long after I escaped the borg that I had it reversed, because I didn't want any artifacts of that dismal period in my life to persist. My kids didn't even have a childhood. Yeah, it's my fault for letting the jerks deceive me into going against my own better nature and acting like the dad from hell, but that doesn't let them off the hook as the instigators of that misery. Lately whenever I've felt out of sorts I've thought of the fact that the apostle of disaster has finally departed the face of the earth, and immediately felt more cheerful. Too bad the next generation is working hard to ruin lives, though. But one day they'll be gone too.
ReplyDeleteYou young women who have come forward with your testimonies regarding the sexual assault, and corruption that you experienced as young people are very courageous indeed! I appreciate the fact that you took that step in faith, believing that someone would hear you.
ReplyDeleteI thank God, that Don, and Ange had a place for you to be heard. This blog is faithful to its mission. To shine the light of truth, upon those false leaders, who have corrupted themselves, and brought shame to Christ, and all that He stands for.
When you woman were younger, you cried, and it seemed like no one was listening. Jesus was listening, and He saw your pain, and He has stirred our hearts, to believe you, and stand with you in prayer, and support you through all that you have endured. Thank you, thank you, for your courage. Thank you for your stand, thank you for standing up against this Empire built on a Man. It is going to crumble away, and one day they'll be nothing left.
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ReplyDeleteIf they DID NOT OBEY, we were encouraged to beat them. We were told that we failed God as a parent, if our children didn't attend B.S. and we also did not qualify as a preacher, if our children did not attend every service. Church time, IS family time, we were told.
Yeah the beating if they didn't obey. When I was growing up some of children and I would talking about getting whippings. One of the many things we would discuss would be the fact that so many times we would get a whipping having no clear idea why we were in trouble. I have heard this from other children that grew up in NTCC as well. Now first of all beating is not a form of instructing a child. I do wonder what parents think they are accomplish if their children have no idea why they are upset with them. Oh I know it is more important to please some so called man of God because of course everyone knows children have no feelings.
I know it is hard to realize how wrong their teaching. It sickens me that they had me so twisted up on my thinking of what a family was suppose to be.
I am so glad you got out and I am so sorry for how they treated you.
Yes they do teach church is family time. It is more like insult sessions, guilt trips, and all many ways can we make people feel like dirty yet they say it is the best way to direct your children to serve God. When in fact it makes children want nothing to do with God because God is been made out to be someone that is mean cruel and uncaring.
Thanks so much for your comment.
Hugs,
Julie
Was Davis and Barbara Norton having an affair? Why else would a women who claim to be a Christian leave her family, for a man who claimed to be a Christian?
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ReplyDelete"Was Davis and Barbara Norton having an affair? Why else would a women who claim to be a Christian leave her family, for a man who claimed to be a Christian?"
DNA say,
That's a very good question Maurice. We have asked the same thing.
When barbara's daughter Pam told barb that davis was molesting her, barbara said something really weird. barbara said, "With all the pretty girls, why would he pick you?"
Why did barbara norton say that? She sounds jealous. It sounds like barbara is really wondering, "Why isn't he having sex with me? (anymore?)
HELLO!
Of course, that's only speculation. But you really have to wonder.
Who says such a thing to her daughter?
If your daughter tells you a man is molesting her, what would you do?
Hopefully you would believe her and support her.
But not barbaric barbara. Her first action is to defend the molester.
It seems like babs had a thing for davis. And maybe even had a thing (or a fling) with davis. Ya gotta wonder.
Why did babs dump her family and chase davis up to Washington? Was she one of many of his extra-marital affairs? To davis these women and girls were just another piece of meat to use and dump. He was a real piece of work.
So why did babs jump like a dog for a biscuit and follow him to Washington, abandoning her pregnant-by-rape 15 year old daughter, Lisa, and her mentally challenged special needs son, Terry, and her husband, Mr. Norton, who lay on the ground sobbing when she left?
Mr. Norton obviously loved the babs-monster. Why'd she cut and run? Why not be a mom and protect and raise her family? Why follow davis to Washington? Was it "An Affair to Remember?"
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ReplyDeleteYou young women who have come forward with your testimonies regarding the sexual assault, and corruption that you experienced as young people are very courageous indeed! I appreciate the fact that you took that step in faith, believing that someone would hear you.
Thank you for your encouraging words. Yes it was a huge step for each of us to come forward.
Anonymous said....
When you woman were younger, you cried, and it seemed like no one was listening. Jesus was listening, and He saw your pain, and He has stirred our hearts, to believe you, and stand with you in prayer, and support you through all that you have endured. Thank you, thank you, for your courage. Thank you for your stand, thank you for standing up against this Empire built on a Man. It is going to crumble away, and one day they'll be nothing left.
It makes me cry tears of appreciation that you say you believe us, support us and prayer for us. We need it so much.
I do pray that one day that there will not be anymore people hurt by this group.
Yes I am greatly thankful for this blog. It is a place of safety and love. Don and Ange's faithfulness is valuable to each of us with their unconditional love.
Thanks for commenting.
Hugs,
Julie
Maurice said....
ReplyDeleteFor years i use to wonder why did God not use the Chief Priest or any of the religious leaders to speak for him, but he would rather raise up Prophets from without to speak for him.
It is an interesting about God raising up the prophets. I guess it is like God using the donkey to speak in Numbers. When one fails to do what is right God will always raise up someone else willing to do the job. Standing against evil isn't a easy job but I am thankful for those willing to stand up not willing to be silent about the suffering people are enduring at the hands and words of evil leaders.
Hugs,
Julie
Maurice I really appreciate your comments on this blog. You really do my heart a whole lot of good with every comment you make. Thanks for taking time to write on this blog it is valuable.
ReplyDeleteHugs,
Julie
Anonymous Vic Johanson said...
ReplyDeleteI got the old snip...thankfully an "accident" occurred before that,
I am glad you were able to have children. It saddens me that so many missed out on that and it saddens me even more than so many children missed out on childhoods because of these evil leaders.
Vic I really appreciate your honesty on this blog it really helps me as I try to work through everything that has happened including my own children's lives. It helps me know I am not alone in the heartache and frustration of it all. I am sorry for everything that this borg caused you to endure putting a religious stamp of approval on it like that makes it okay. It is so twisted how they are to people.
Hugs,
Julie
Hello all,
ReplyDeleteI'm Michael Johnson... I attended back in 97-01... Clearly I didn't make it that long. I'm sorry for all the abuse that happened. I met Rev Davis just once at FT. Campbell and was taken aback at how "awesome" I thought he was. Is it possible that there are some false stories out there? I hate to think that all of this is true? I have needed to heal for along time and maybe this is the go to site for real information. I know some of you may have seen my postings (I can't find the threads in some cases) but I'm trying to come to grips with all of this info. I don't want to believe any of this but it seems more real as I go over it and over it again... Lost and confused...
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