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| kekels drive luxury cars while ntcc missionaries struggle for basics |
This BMW looks like the one Casey Hayes described seeing the kekel's driving around in when Casey came back from being a starving ntcc missionary to Puerto Rico... Good to know the ntcc can afford to buy expensive luxury cars and motor homes for its Executive Board Members for their private benefit; but ntcc can not afford to take care of its missionaries' basic needs like food, shelter, furniture??? Who is scamming whom here folks? Keep paying those mission fund pledges. The "World Missions Director" needs another $325,000 Recreational Vehicle to drive around in while raising more money for ntcc, a ?non-profit? while missionaries report hardships like no food or furniture....
Missionaries' Testimonies:
1) Veronica Medina Reports Hardship While Missionary to Puerto Rico for ntcc:
Following is a comment made by Veronica Medina, Former NTCC Missionary to Puerto Rico, NTCC Bible School or Seminary Instructor, and Minister. Her comment appeared on The Dispatch, a Washington state online newspaper that ran a series of five articles about the NTCC by reporter Bruce Smith. The articles no longer appear in the Dispatch Archives.
Here is Veronica's comment:
Following is a comment made by Veronica Medina, Former NTCC Missionary to Puerto Rico, NTCC Bible School or Seminary Instructor, and Minister. Her comment appeared on The Dispatch, a Washington state online newspaper that ran a series of five articles about the NTCC by reporter Bruce Smith. The articles no longer appear in the Dispatch Archives.
Here is Veronica's comment:
Posted: Thursday, April 08, 2010
Article comment by: Veronica Medina
Hi Bruce,
My name is Veronica Medina. I attended NTCC from 1971 to 1985. My husband and I always used our own money to move where ever RW Davis thought we should minister. Our last move was to Puerto Rico. We were led to believe that the organization would support us as missionaries there. We sold everything we had, packed up our 2 very young children and went there with great hope. After we paid our own airplane fare there and spent all the money we had to get established, we asked and did get money from NTCC to take care of some deposits needed. It was around $700. Little did I know that there would be no more money. It came to the point where "we had no money", not even enough to feed our children. I will never forget my sorrow when we attended a church down the street and my son who was 5 years old, was brought to me from Children's Church because he had the "dry heaves". You see, he had no food in his stomach to vomit. To make a long story short, my husband got a job working for $25 a day. We ended up getting (and I am ashamed to say it) on welfare. I admit I didn't tell NTCC that part because I
knew we would have to pay "tithes" on that money, but we needed it desperately. My husband and I both got very ill while in Puerto Rico and as a result did not have money for rent. I wrote to the leadership in NTCC explaining our plight. Did they respond? Oh yes, with a $100 LOAN. That was the last straw. We resigned and wanted nothing more to do with them. By the way, the explanation given to everyone was "the Medina's left for filthy lucre". I need to tell you, at the time I
thought we were a single incident of their cruelty. But I have since learned that this is a pattern for them. They have no conscious when it comes to their ministers and missionaries. My story is just one
story out of many.
By the way - life only got better after we left.
2) Casey Hayes Reports Hardship While Missionary to Puerto Rico for ntcc:
Article comment by: Veronica Medina
Hi Bruce,
My name is Veronica Medina. I attended NTCC from 1971 to 1985. My husband and I always used our own money to move where ever RW Davis thought we should minister. Our last move was to Puerto Rico. We were led to believe that the organization would support us as missionaries there. We sold everything we had, packed up our 2 very young children and went there with great hope. After we paid our own airplane fare there and spent all the money we had to get established, we asked and did get money from NTCC to take care of some deposits needed. It was around $700. Little did I know that there would be no more money. It came to the point where "we had no money", not even enough to feed our children. I will never forget my sorrow when we attended a church down the street and my son who was 5 years old, was brought to me from Children's Church because he had the "dry heaves". You see, he had no food in his stomach to vomit. To make a long story short, my husband got a job working for $25 a day. We ended up getting (and I am ashamed to say it) on welfare. I admit I didn't tell NTCC that part because I
knew we would have to pay "tithes" on that money, but we needed it desperately. My husband and I both got very ill while in Puerto Rico and as a result did not have money for rent. I wrote to the leadership in NTCC explaining our plight. Did they respond? Oh yes, with a $100 LOAN. That was the last straw. We resigned and wanted nothing more to do with them. By the way, the explanation given to everyone was "the Medina's left for filthy lucre". I need to tell you, at the time I
thought we were a single incident of their cruelty. But I have since learned that this is a pattern for them. They have no conscious when it comes to their ministers and missionaries. My story is just one
story out of many.
By the way - life only got better after we left.
2) Casey Hayes Reports Hardship While Missionary to Puerto Rico for ntcc:
3) Deb (B.) [now S.] and Greg S. support ntcc and themselves in Korea:
ntcc Lies And Broken Promises
ntcc Lies And Broken Promises
Old Comment by Vic Johanson concerning ntcc receiving Missions Pledge monies for a mission that was CLOSED!
Vic Johanson said...
Well, I know that I paid for months on a pledge for Panama, only to find out that the work had been closed and NTCC had no one over there. When I busted them out, they acted all offended and came up with an interesting yarn about "escrowing" the money.
Seems like these "escrow" accounts are quite lucrative for them.
April 03, 2009 5:18 AM
More Related Stories:
1) Escrow Label: Click Here or on the word "escrow" in the "Labels" Section (below the voting boxes) to bring up a mobile series of stories related to NTCC escrow account funds that reportedly disappear into NTCC Corporate coffers.
1) Escrow Label: Click Here or on the word "escrow" in the "Labels" Section (below the voting boxes) to bring up a mobile series of stories related to NTCC escrow account funds that reportedly disappear into NTCC Corporate coffers.
Oh dear, the comments on the thread that started it all have a correction:
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| grant kekel's 1st car was reportedly a 2006 Mercedes-Benz SLK 55 AMG ROADSTER |
Casey Hayes said...
OK, it was a Mercedes SLK 55 AMG. This is a top of the line model. Officially it is a "roadster" and not a "convertible"-- but the hardtop comes off. I'm sure Kekel was just confused about the definition of convertible. It retails for $65,000, has a 5.5L V-8 with 355 hp. I'm sure he needs all that horsepower to pick up all the people he's bringing out to church...
APRIL 02, 2009 8:45 AM
APRIL 02, 2009 8:45 AM
After reading this blog and Jeff Collins blog I can identify with pretty much everything that has been said.
ReplyDeleteMy ex-husband and I were involved with NTCC for 14 years and after years of mental, spiritual, and verbal abuse me and my daughters finally left. Upon leaving I realized just how badly I was controlled by my ex-husband and the organization. For example, we were isolated from our family and friends. The only thing I was allowed to do was babysit and home school my children. We were expected to be in church 7 days a week. We were expected to pick up and move whenever and wherever the organization sent us. We lived in constant fear that we would go to hell if we dared question anything we were told to do. We moved from the East Coast to the West Coast in an old pick-up with all of our belongings in the back of the truck with all 4 of us in the front seat traveling days and not stoping as we had no money and sleeping in the truck until we made it to our destination. Once there, we had no furniture, no job, until my ex-husband found something. We were expected to find a building or place to have church, (even though we had no money). We basically lived paycheck to paycheck, barely making ends meet. That's no way to live, and I don't believe that's how God wants His children to live.
Sincerely,
C.G.
C.G. Said:
ReplyDelete"That's no way to live, and I don't believe that's how God wants His children to live."
Don and Ange said:
You are so right. We thank you for posting and sharing the experiences that you went through. It's through stories like your's that we are reminded that we were right for leaving. It's also stories like yours that people will read and realize that God has very little to do with the ntcc.
It's very sad and troubling what you had to go through. While you were struggling and going through this, there were people in Washington that could care less what you were enduring. Most organizations with that kind of money would have paid for your moving expenses. They chose to spend their money on their own lavish lifestyles and to sit on that money and invest it in real-estate.
They don't care. They just don't care and that's all there is to it. There is no Christian love, just the love they have for your money. They also love the adoration they get during conferences. They love being praised of men. They love being feared and revered. Nothing would make them happier than to see folks like you giving everything they ever had to them so they can hoard it in Graham and use it for their own selfish wants and needs.
These people are tyrants of the worse kind. What they do is not biblical. It was shared earlier in Jeff's blog there are two classes of people in the ntcc. The rich and the extremely poor. The filthy rich leaders have no problem with folks not having anything and living way below the poverty line. While folks like you can barely make it from town to town and have to pile up four people in the front of an old pick-up truck, they vacation across the country in their absorbently expensive motor homes which use enough gas in one trip accross country that they could have paid air-fare for all four of you and had your belongings shipped to Washington. They don't care and they lack human decency.
We hope you and your daughters can be healed over time. We are so glad that you had the courage to get them out of the ntcc when you did. When you share your stories on these blogs you are helping many folks see that they are not alone. There are people that have been hurt for years and psychologically manipulated for many years and it helps us all when we know that we are not alone.
Don and Ange
I can relate to what CG wrote too. When someone becomes born again, they will do anything for the Lord, and this group uses and abuses people. We endured some very unnecessary situations, thinking that was what the Lord expected, but it was man's rules and commandments that made things so hard. It's not right.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous wrote,
ReplyDelete"it was man's rules and commandments that made things so hard. It's not right."
Don and Ange say,
That is a very good summary of the ntcc and why we blog about them!
Salvation is a free gift that leads to life more abundantly! IF that does not describe your situation, seek Christ uncomplicated without man's tradition You'll be glad you did!
Look at this COMMANDMENT / WARNING:
ReplyDeleteBeware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Col. 2v8
The word spoil literally means
a) to carry one off as a captive (and slave)
b) to lead away from the truth and subject to one's sway
I'll gladly be a love slave for Jesus. But ntcc wants you to be a slave to men and their traditions. But you have the power to free yourself:
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
(from the Gospel According to John 1v11&12)
Note he said, nor of the will of man...
Man didn't give salvation to you. Man cannot take it away from you.
God gave you His Son so you might have ETERNAL LIFE. Ask Him to show you what that really means!
I'll gladly be a love slave for Jesus. But ntcc wants you to be a slave to men and their traditions. But you have the power to free yourself:
ReplyDeleteno one put a gun to their head!
Anonymous wrote,
ReplyDelete"no one put a gun to their head!"
Don and Ange say,
What ntcc does is worse than putting a gun to someone's head! If someone puts a gun to your head you know they are your enemy and can respond properly to save yourself harm.
ntcc is run by wolves in sheep's clothing who pretend to be friends and shepherds; but are only in it for the wool, the fat, the meat they can take off of the sheep.
Jer 23v1: Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
Jer 23v2: Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.
Jer23v11: For both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in my house have I found their wickedness, saith the LORD.
Jer23v14: I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.
Eze 34v1: And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Eze 34v2: Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds; Woe [be] to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?
Eze 34v3: Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: [but] ye feed not the flock.
Eze 34v4: The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up [that which was] broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them.
Eze 34v5 And they were scattered, because [there is] no shepherd: and they became meat to all the beasts of the field, when they were scattered.
Eze 34v6 My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek [after them].
God has seen the wickedness of the ntcc 'leaders'. He will gather his flock out of their mouths.
Don and Ange
Then God will cause the ntcc lying mouths to be shut up:
ReplyDelete1) to shut up, stop up
a) (Niphal) to be stopped, be shut up
b) (Piel) to shut up, give over
As joey olson used to stress in conference (along with
**"No Compromise!"**
yeah, right whatever!) and
**"No women in the war room!"
unless they have a [ahem] nice rack, shall we say; then those women can come and go to/from the war room as they please ... ) ...uhm...
joey olson used to love to emphasize:
Psa 63v11 (partial): ...the mouth of them that speak lies shall be stopped.
Yes, joey would pound out the code:
"63 - 11 - 10 !!! ... Psalm 63, verse 11, the last ten words, the mouth of them that speak lies SHALL BE STOPPED!" -- joey olson
Guess joey decided to override the Holy Ghost (again) and pitchfork that message intended for him onto the sheep. After all,
1) **joey olson lied when he claimed davis did not know about denis.
2) **joey olson lied when he told ntcc missionaries they should fill in their VISA applications as 'tourists'.
3) **joey olson lied in the letter ntcc gave missionaries saying the ntcc would financially support them.
1-2-3 examples of joey olson lying.
Sure hope he didn't steal any ntcc paper-clips too! joey olson has enough to answer for just with his football call, "63-11-10" hut hut hike!
Don and Ange
We're not done yet with your lame "no one put a gun to their head" bs comment.
ReplyDeletentcc has used all ten tactics of the Mind Control Tool Box
We dare you to click the link and read so you may educate yourself about Mind Control and how ntcc uses it.
See for yourself how much MIND CONTROL goes on in the ntcc! Unless you are too cowardly to learn the TRUTH.
Don and Ange
Don and Ange said,
ReplyDelete"ntcc has used all ten tactics of the Mind Control Tool Box"
you are your own destiny!
Anon said,
ReplyDelete"you are your own destiny!"
Tell that to the Jews in the Holocaust.
If a girl is invited to a bbq and the men there turn on her and rape her, is she her own destiny?
ReplyDelete"you are your own destiny!" Anonymous seeks to free the borg from their guilt in abusing others.
ReplyDeleteThat's a dangerous position to hold when you follow a man who preaches so much accountability (while being completely unaccountable to anyone for anything).
"You are your own destiny" tell that to Job:
ReplyDeleteAnd the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath [is] in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand...Job 1v12(partial)
"you are your own destiny!" -- Anonymous, we think you are either willfully ignorant or purposely deceitful.
ReplyDeleteIt's called MIND CONTROL for a reason. Look it up and read the examples given. Then try to come back with something of substance.
What we already know, anonymous, is that you have no substantive argument. That is why you resort to your cult code phrases that have been used by all who have come before you. Soon you will announce that we are not playing by your rules; and you will say you are going to take your ball and go home (sniffle, sniffle, wahn, wahhhn, wahhhn). You will say you won't say anymore; because we won't change.
ReplyDeleteBut the truth is that you won't say anymore because your arguments are lame and don't hold any water. You cannot use the scripture to back your cult's abusive ways; you will run out of catchy cult phrases; and you will run.
But keep reading, anonymous. Maybe God will have mercy on you and allow the truth to sink down into your soul despite your desire to quench His Holy Spirit by overriding the conviction you feel when you defend these evil men that run ntcc and make themselves financially wealthy while abusing people to do so. Keep reading and maybe God will have mercy on your soul and enlighten the eyes of your understanding that have been too dark for too long. Or harden your heart again if you want. In that choice "you are your own destiny".
Don and Ange
Romans 1:29–32! try that cult saying!
ReplyDeleteTo the pure, all things are pure; therefore the scriptures in Romans do not frighten me; because Christ is my righteousness; and I am accepted in the beloved.
ReplyDeleteAs for the characteristics listed in Romans 1v28-32 you can look at the ntcc 'leaders' and see those sins in their lives.
Thanks for the new thread topic you've provided us, anon. We will be posting it when we finish writing it.
Don and Ange
It is quite imaginative of you to post as anonymous, and then answer the post as Don and Ange.
ReplyDeleteAt least it gives the appearance that someone takes what you write somewhat seriously.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDelete"It is quite imaginative of you to post as anonymous, and then answer the post as Don and Ange.
At least it gives the appearance that someone takes what you write somewhat seriously."
Don and Ange say,
Apparently many take us seriously enough to have, as of 5-30-11, slightly over 16,000 pageviews since beginning this blog on 8-16-10. How is your blog doing? That is not counting the 4,711 or so hits acquired prior to us removing the Brave-Net counter from this site-wouldn't want kekel threatening borg members with a list of compiled IP addresses, as he has illegally done in the past. Additionally the excessive smear campaign run by the borg against us and all blogs proves the very great results that these truth blogs have had. Many borg members have been liberated to serve God without the ntcc shackles. And many more will follow them to freedom. Think on these things.
Looks like anonymous quickly ran out of arguments to defend his ntcc, took his ball and ran home... Here is the link to that related blog post as promised:
ReplyDeleteNTCC Is A Cult Just Based On What They Are Saying Story Link
By the way, today is the one year anniversary of that first comment, written by CG. It's just a coincidence that I noticed. :o)
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