tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post7904997536111362790..comments2023-04-28T04:15:15.576-07:00Comments on ntcc Xer blog: New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. eX-Ministers' and eX-Members' Site: Today's Subject: All are Welcome!Don and Angehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-20756586626381351392010-09-16T20:22:10.503-07:002010-09-16T20:22:10.503-07:00Don and Ange. For all it's worth because it&#...Don and Ange. For all it's worth because it's often not worth much, I'd take what Vic wrote in this thread and post it on the cover of your blog as a new thread. <br /><br />Then watch what happens to your hit counter when you do it. I could be wrong but it's my experience that people like to read first hand testimonies and Vic has quite the way of putting his thoughts on paper. Of course this topic has been covered about a thousand times but repetition is a good teacher and Vic's testimony was written quite well and quite compelling. <br /><br />Just a thought.<br /><br />JeffChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01684473689297810236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-46862995102135802902010-09-16T04:59:29.178-07:002010-09-16T04:59:29.178-07:00Thanks Vic,
I had absolutely no doubt that it hap...Thanks Vic,<br /><br />I had absolutely no doubt that it happened the way that you said it did; if 2 or 3 witnesses would testify in a court of law or even just yourself in this case against a sleazy organization like ntcc it would most likely be enough to convince a jury. I guess I worded it the way I did to bring out the point that at ntcc they preach how that we are to walk on egg shells when it comes to keeping our testimony. Here comes mc kekel who gets a pass for groping the teenage daughter of rwd who is the commander in chief of ntcc. Why would he even put himself in a position to be accused of this and then brag about it to his peers? <br /><br />My reference to board members fondling the teenage daughter of the founder was written as an exception to the not welcome rule and could be misconstrued as an accusation of misconduct about a current board member and it does not specifically accuse kekel as a future board member. I think however, that this is a small mistake in comparison to all the misrepresentations that kekel makes. He implies that us X-ers are devils hanging from our tails by trees. And then he tries to draw a parallel between ntcc'rs in cyberspace on facebook as being in the garden of eden. This is a warped individual that uses ntcc bs to shape young minds into drones that will go out and recruit new drones. It's a vicious cycle. <br /><br />I have absolutely no respect for these people because they have destroyed the best years of my life and are doing even worse to others that are in their cult. If I can help one person through this blog to see how evil this group is, I think it's worth it all.Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-90877199131499138532010-09-15T13:30:50.867-07:002010-09-15T13:30:50.867-07:00I reiterate: Mike Kekel, my old BS roommate, did b...I reiterate: Mike Kekel, my old BS roommate, did boast to me and another brother that he was regularly making out with Tanya while he dated her. If it didn't happen, he's a liar, because he waxed rhapsodic about the powerful physical sensations that coursed through his body during these sessions.<br /><br />As I have previously stated, the fact that he succumbed to this temptation was understandable, but what I and the other brother (who did go to RW about the situation--to no avail) found shocking was the absolute lack of any kind of conviction, and the vehement declaration that he had no intention of desisting, despite our remonstrations to him that such activity was inconsistent with the role of 'holiness preacher.' He was right in our face about it, and the other brother felt so guilty he narked him out. But nothing happened; there was some anonymous wrist slapping from the pulpit about not playing footsies under the table, blah blah blah, and the status quo endured.<br /><br />One inaccuracy in your description, though: he wasn't a board member at the time, but a BS student. But the skids were being greased.Vic Johansonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-55176773478064880172010-09-04T11:43:41.767-07:002010-09-04T11:43:41.767-07:00I'm sorry I have to laugh at the charismatics ...I'm sorry I have to laugh at the charismatics don't get saved comment. NTCC is the biggest group of charismatics I've ever seen!!!<br /><br />JMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-8524083759367532222010-09-03T18:02:26.757-07:002010-09-03T18:02:26.757-07:00Anonymous said "What does being afflilated wi...Anonymous said "What does being afflilated with the Charismatic churches have to do with a person not being saved?<br /><br />If God saves someone in whatever Christian church (Pentecostal, Charismatic, Baptist, Methodist, Anglican, Catholic), that individual does not need to start attending some cult like NTCC in order to get "saved" again.<br /><br />That's like saying there are two sources of salvation: God's way and the NTCC way.<br /><br />God is the source of salvation, not NTCC."<br /><br />LURCH says .............................PREACH!!!TC-Lurch The Church Lizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12524461636366173997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-65279910744723685012010-09-03T17:58:26.727-07:002010-09-03T17:58:26.727-07:00Anonymous said "God is the source of salvatio...Anonymous said "God is the source of salvation, not NTCC." <br /><br />LARCH SAYS ..............................AMEN!!!CT Larch The Charch Luzardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08357224622810750719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-56966238731658559862010-09-03T09:17:05.140-07:002010-09-03T09:17:05.140-07:00What does being afflilated with the Charismatic ch...What does being afflilated with the Charismatic churches have to do with a person not being saved?<br /><br />If God saves someone in whatever Christian church (Pentecostal, Charismatic, Baptist, Methodist, Anglican, Catholic), that individual does not need to start attending some cult like NTCC in order to get "saved" again.<br /><br />That's like saying there are two sources of salvation: God's way and the NTCC way.<br /><br />God is the source of salvation, not NTCC.<br /><br />In response to what that pastor said about never seeing a Charismatic saved, I'll just say that I'd attend a Christian Charismatic church over a cult like NTCC any day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-66759163381009498692010-08-30T04:50:59.745-07:002010-08-30T04:50:59.745-07:00On your welcome and not welcome list you indicated...On your welcome and not welcome list you indicated that "Tithe Payers" are welcome. You better believe that is true. A person could violate virtually all the not welcomes and as long as they pay tithes, many NTCC pastors would over look the rest. I've seen it. Now of course in all fairness, NTCC pastors would push to convert the tithe payers into adhering to NTCC's ways and rules, but they would be a WHOLE lot more patient with a tithe payer then a non tithe payer. <br /><br />With the NTCC leadership it is all about money; bottom line. The love of money drives their messages, decisions, attitude, etc. I've seen NTCC pastors happy as larks but as soon as the money pit started running dry, they would get flat out nasty and beside themselves. I watched it happen with Ramirez and Mayers. Now both of those two guys regularly displayed the propensity to be nasty anyway, but they got real nasty when the money started running short and they would preach about it in a very dogmatic fashion. <br /><br />These NTCC guys are no more than a bunch of money grubbers and that's a fact. This fact has been proven and is evident because NTCC pastors teach more and more often on the subject of tithe paying then any other subject by far. The problem is the scriptures in their doctrinal statement such as 1 Cor 16:2 don't back it up at all. In fact such scriptures teach the opposite and this shows me that these NTCC guys are crooks. I can't stand them. I feel the same way about the NTCC leadership as Jesus felt about the Pharisees. Those two groups are of the same breed.<br /><br />JeffChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01684473689297810236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-25065019484190794102010-08-30T04:26:32.393-07:002010-08-30T04:26:32.393-07:00Don and Ange wrote...
As for # 15 on the list of ...Don and Ange wrote...<br /><br />As for # 15 on the list of don'ts I would like to leave the following disclaimer. While I believe it happened and that the eye witness accounts are reliable, I haven't seen irrefutable evidence that proves it actually happened. <br /><br />Jeff wrote...<br /><br />I talked to Vic extensively and I'm convinced beyond any reasonable doubt that Mike Kekel did some serious groping on Tanya and or visa versa before they were married and when she was quite young. Vic said that Mike bragged about it. Vic is probably the most fair and balanced writer I've seen on any of these blogs dating back to the Factnet days. As you know, Vic and Mike were contemporaries in the NTCS and they knew each other quite well. <br /><br />I've also talked to Mike on the phone about 1 1/2 years ago and Mike definitely has a double tongue. To put it plainly Mike Kekel is probably the NTCC's biggest propaganda, smear campaign perpetrator that I've ever met. Plainly put, Kekel is a flat out liar as you know. Of course I know you feel the same way as I do but if Victor Johanson said it, old Mikey did it. <br /><br />JeffChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01684473689297810236noreply@blogger.com