tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post6900043178957579695..comments2023-04-28T04:15:15.576-07:00Comments on ntcc Xer blog: New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. eX-Ministers' and eX-Members' Site: The Hidden Secrets Of NTCC - Part 4 of I Have A NameDon and Angehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comBlogger124125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-52439900971125070262014-08-17T12:57:11.886-07:002014-08-17T12:57:11.886-07:00Mike said:
"I read the entire I have a name ...Mike said:<br /><br />"I read the entire I have a name article and am kind of in a bind. I want to believe it but holy cow what are the chances of all that happening to one person. I think because I grew up in a good home I don't have the understanding of what it's like to be in a circle of people like this."<br /><br />DNA said:<br /><br />The chances of it happening to 1 person were increased by the number of sexually deviant people in the ntcc that were able and willing to take advantage of a handicapped young girl. What made it easier was the fact that Julie had parents that were not only willing to molest her, but that were willing to make a profit off of others who wanted sexual gratification. R.W.D. has a long list of young women and girls who claim that he took advantage of them. He started the ntcc under allegations of adultery when he was with the Pentecostals and there are many ministers and old time members from the 70's that have testified of R-dubs adultery.<br /><br />They have so much power over young girls that it's amazing that anyone has been able to come forward and share the details of the horror they have suffered. For every one that has come forward there are many that are too afraid to share. They keep it inside and live in fear. <br /><br />The things that you have read are unthinkable when you have grown up in a good home or attend a good church. The ntcc was started by a serial adulterer, and many people ignore that. We exist to hear the cries of those who were ignored by the ntcc, and we publish their testimonies. We believe many of those who share their accounts of horror because they are consistent with the pattern of behavior that others have exposed the ntcc leaders of committing. <br /><br />We are not after your money and there is no benefit that we get by blogging about this stuff. Sometimes I wish that none of it were true and that I didn't feel the need to be involved to this extent, but I also have passion to expose the ntcc crooks and pedophiles for what they are. They had no problem preaching from their pulpits the hell fire and brimstone message to all who failed to pay their tithes, calling them God robbers and threatening them with eternal damnation. They are welcome to come on this blog and defend themselves but they never do, and they probably never will. They might come on here anonymously and take a couple of shots at us but they have no desire in coming clean or showing transparency. They will continue to hide behind their banner of holiness while taking advantage of those who are weak and follow them out of fear. They will continue to destroy people and climb over the backs of those who they have down trodden and abused until one day they reach the end of their journey and they have to answer to God for the ones they have destroyed. They'll have to answer the questions that they were too afraid to confront on this blog. What about Julie? What about The Morenos and the Norton Children who were abused? What about all the countless others that were too weak or afraid to speak for themselves? What part did they play in ignoring and marginalizing the down trodden saints who struggled to survive while being kicked over and over by the ones that were charged with shepherding their souls?<br />Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-21313961184309971392014-08-17T03:57:59.952-07:002014-08-17T03:57:59.952-07:00My name is Mike Johnson,
I attended this church b...My name is Mike Johnson,<br /><br />I attended this church back in the late 90's but was done after about 5 years... I had a couple of good pastors so my experience wasn't all negative. <br /><br />I read the entire I have a name article and am kind of in a bind. I want to believe it but holy cow what are the chances of all that happening to one person. I think because I grew up in a good home I don't have the understanding of what it's like to be in a circle of people like this.<br /><br />Julie, I hope your doing well.<br /><br />I'm wondering if there is a connection between sexual misconduct and being in a holiness movement church. When you believe in perfection it would seem like people are so tight and wound up in their own heads... I don't know...<br /><br />I have to admit I haven't been to church much since I left. I don't know what I believe anymore. I hope that if all this is true your site is successful in bringing down a bad organization. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-35791986364265430512014-04-17T09:32:35.716-07:002014-04-17T09:32:35.716-07:00continued:
Okay. So you get saved. Praise God. Th...continued:<br /><br />Okay. So you get saved. Praise God. That's great! But it doesn't end there.<br /><br />Now let's say you have that first love. You love God. You are thankful for salvation. You want other people to have that too. So you bring them out to church. Okay. So far so good. You're real, they get saved, they are real. But it doesn't end there.<br /><br />You start hearing about the bible school (now called a seminary, though davis and kekel used to make fun of that term and say that other churches had "cemeteries". How rude of them to mock or "blaspheme" those other churches. How hypocritical of them to reverse themselves and now adopt and use the word seminary for something that is really just a cult indoctrination school.) You don't really learn about the bible there. All you learn is what they want you to do - obey the self-titled "man of Gawd" who is not of God. His actions do not line up with the Word or with the example of Christ, so he is not "of God". Just a man. A man with a bunch of rules he wants you to follow. And why? All so he can make a buck. Or rape your daughter.<br /><br />And that brings us back to the issue at hand. You, as a Christian, want souls to be saved. So please, don't bring them out to church where allegations incriminate the top leaders for being pedophiles and child rapists, where former "seminary" instructors and "lay pastors" have been CONVICTED of Murder and Sexually violating the corpse (kelly merz), and Raping their own child (michael fontenot). Then you have the board members' family member Johnny Jordan related to both (Timothy) Paul and George Jordan (by blood) and the Ashmore and DiFrancesco families (by marriage) who is a CONVICTED child rapist. Plus the ntcc founder, rodger davis, was allegedly kicked out of his former church for having sex with the wives of two of their church board members! And women have come forward who stated davis violated them sexually when they were children and teens. The sexual impropriety starts at the top of ntcc and has spread throughout the organization just as the bible describes that a little leaven leavens the whole lump. Please don't drag other people into that group and put them and their children at risk. Please stand for Jesus and seek a healthy safe church environment. Look for leaders who practice what they preach and preach the Word. Look for leaders who serve the congregation as Jesus served. Look for the fruit of the Spirit in their lives. If you don't see that, look somewhere else. <br /><br /><i>22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. ... 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another. [Gal 5:22-23, 25-26 KJV]</i>Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-6199049248315509672014-04-17T09:32:22.543-07:002014-04-17T09:32:22.543-07:00Anonymous said,
Thank you for responding to my qu...<i>Anonymous said,<br /><br />Thank you for responding to my questions. I read the touch not mine anointed article.<br /><br />Wow I never thought about the word touch being different from talking. I am scheduled to meet with him tomorrow. I feel a better now about talking to him about these things. Thank you for helping me be ready for whatever the out come is with this. ...</i><br /><br />DNA say,<br /><br />Anonymous, You are welcome! Thank you for commenting. Thank you for reading the article, "Touch Not Mine Anointed". We want people to learn and understand how the ntcc works. We had many people help us understand what we had gone through. We've read countless other articles on blogs trying to process how the ntcc is able to convince people to serve satan all under the guise of religion and service to God. <br /><br />That seems like a big claim. But please think about what happens in your ntcc. Let's say you hear the gospel and God deals with your heart. He said His Word would not return void (empty) but would accomplish His will.<br /><br /><i>11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it. [Isa 55:11 KJV]</i><br /><br />to be continuedDon and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-90512697362219300402014-04-17T09:07:00.589-07:002014-04-17T09:07:00.589-07:00Hi Anonymous,
Yes, we care. LOL. You know how it ...Hi Anonymous,<br /><br />Yes, we care. LOL. You know how it is easy to tell if somebody cares about you? They will be a friend in need. They will love you whether you are up or down, healthy or sick, fun or grumpy. They will just keep on loving you the way that Jesus loves you - unconditionally.<br /><br />The world is not so, although there are many people whom the ntcc labels as "sinners" who demonstrate far more love and compassion than the typical person who is in the ntcc; who claims to love Christ, but will follow the bad example of the ntcc 'leaders'; they will cross to the other side of the road to avoid helping the person in need.<br /><br />We've heard that kekel has said that a person was so greedy that they were begging while homeless.<br /><br />We almost had to laugh at his confusion; but it is just too pitiful.<br /><br />Isn't mike kekel the greedy one? Look at the many mansions and homes built for him and owned by him and his wife tanya. For all that 'wealth' (for they are poor towards God), have they ever really done anything to help anyone? Have they ever brought home a homeless person or even given them $20? <br /><br />Instead mike kekel tries to say a homeless person is greedy for begging? ? ? ? ? ?<br /><br />So, according to mike kekel's confused way of thinking,<br /><br />Lazarus who begged in front of the rich man's place was "greedy" and "lazy" for "begging". It seems to me that mike, like the rich man in the gospel true story, is in for a rude awakening when he too winds up in hell, "begging" for Julie, like Lazarus, to come cool his tongue by merely dipping the tip of her formerly "crippled" fingers into the water to cool his tongue from the flame...<br /><br />Luke 16:19-31<br /><br />You know, we take no joy in pointing out the obvious flaws in kekel's life. We wish he would just repent. Do you understand what the bible says of a person who is impenitent? To put it nicely, they have a horrid eternity awaiting them. Why not just confess and repent?<br /><br />Please, folks, use a little common sense when dealing with these religious hypocrites like the kekels of the world who have only used religion as a scheme to get rich off of the sacrifice of God's children and to try and satisfy their lust of the flesh by raping God's children, and to try and satisfy their lust of the eyes and pride of life by buying more, more, more expensive musical instruments, recreational vehicles, luxury cars, private villas or mansions or ... etc. etc, etc. It's all about the pride of life with them. They don't care about souls. <br /><br />They care about only one thing: MAMMONDon and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-52401590332588861052014-04-16T23:16:03.664-07:002014-04-16T23:16:03.664-07:00Thank you for responding to my questions. I read t...Thank you for responding to my questions. I read the touch not mine anointed article.<br /><br /> Wow I never thought about the word touch being different from talking. I am scheduled to meet with him tomorrow. I feel a better now about talking to him about these things. Thank you for helping me be ready for whatever the out come is with this.<br /><br /> It is strange with everything that has been said about you I really think you care. How can you care with all the things they speak against you for supporting Julie as your sister in Christ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-25706962504014800512014-04-16T04:17:51.482-07:002014-04-16T04:17:51.482-07:00It is not disrespectful to talk to church leaders ...It is not disrespectful to talk to church leaders and ask questions. People asked Jesus lots of questions. He answered them honestly. :o) He had nothing to hide. For more info, we recommend reading this post:<br /><br /><a href="http://ntccxerblog.blogspot.com/2012/07/touch-not-mine-anointed.html" rel="nofollow">Touch Not Mine Anointed</a>Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-32972323075779692292014-04-16T04:15:26.787-07:002014-04-16T04:15:26.787-07:00You really believe God wants me happy?
Yes, yes, ...<i> You really believe God wants me happy?</i><br /><br />Yes, yes, a thousand times yes God wants you to be happy. <br /><br />He loves you.<br /><br />He loves you so much He gave His only begotten Son to die in your place so that you could have life more abundantly!<br /><br />For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. - Jhn 3:16 KJV<br /><br />I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. (part of) John 10:10<br /><br />And the disciples were filled with joy, and with the Holy Ghost. - Act 13:52 KJV<br /><br />Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full. - Jhn 16:24 KJV<br /><br />Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance. - Act 2:28 KJV<br /><br />And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. - Jhn 17:13 KJV<br /><br />That last verse comes from the gospel of John that records Jesus praying for the disciples for all time (including us). It such a special portion of scripture that shows us how much He loves each one of us. Check it out and you will see what we mean.<br /><br />Yes. God wants you to be happy!Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-27036538382289992402014-04-16T04:08:42.328-07:002014-04-16T04:08:42.328-07:00We have no opportunity now to have kids but it wou...<i> We have no opportunity now to have kids but it would be nice to not be miserable. My wife is so unhappy that she suffers from great depression. She has physical health stuff but since we don't have insurance she can't go to the doctor.<br /><br />Is God against having insurance? Do you guys believe insurance is biblically okay to have?</i><br /><br />First of all, we are sorry you are miserable. We know that leaving the organization will help you greatly. The ntcc has so much wrong. The busy schedule is meant to wear you down and make it impossible for you to think about all the wrong things you see. Just leaving that and developing a walk with God according to His direction will help you greatly.<br /><br />If you or your wife is suffering, try to see a doctor. Even if you don't have insurance, there are many programs that will help pay for the visit, and the price is often much lower than what it would be for a person with insurance. Go figure. But that's how it is. <br /><br />When the org leaders are sick, they go to the doctor. They go to the hospital. Do they have insurance? Probably. They make so much money it probably doesn't matter. Jim Johnson - ntcc's long time board member - and his wife Deborah used to sell insurance. Whom do you think they sold it to? Probably the ntcc board members. davis used to 'preach' against insurance because he would rather have your money for himself. When davis found out that some women had joined a gym, he was so angry he 'preached' and ranted and raved all night long about how they had so much money to throw around blah blah blah. Then he raised the bible school tuition on the classes to take away that money. He also taught an extra class so there would be no free time. He was the gawd of ntcc and wanted full control of everything from who you marry to getting the men snipped or the women's tubes tied if the man refused. <br /><br />God blessed Adam and Eve. He told them to be fruitful and multiply. The bible speaks of children as a being a blessing. The man that has a quiver full is blessed. Children are a blessing, not a hindrance as davis called them.<br /><br />Even if you are past the age of having children, God is able. Consider Abraham and Sarah. :o)Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-85953641479700301482014-04-16T03:54:57.706-07:002014-04-16T03:54:57.706-07:00Thank you for mentioning that God cares about coup...<i>Thank you for mentioning that God cares about couples too. My wife and I sit here reading what you wrote. It makes us think even though we have never had kids with what you say maybe God wants us out of this group.</i><br /><br />DNA say,<br /><br />Hi Anonymous. Yes, we believe God wants you to leave ntcc. Here is why.<br /><br />When you are part of a group, you are saying you agree with what the group does and that you follow their leaders. In a healthy church that is fine. In a dangerous group like NTCC, that is not fine. Here's why.<br /><br />Since you are a Christian and will lift up Christ as such, Jesus will draw souls and build a church. But if the men running that church are evil, those souls that you brought to God are now in danger. The souls were attracted to the God in you. When you introduce them to your 'pastor' the souls will naturally transfer any holy love they have for you over to your 'leaders'. Why? Because they think your leaders are going to be like you.. - whether they are worthy or not, the people will think they are. That puts those people in danger of being taken advantage of by the corrupt leaders.<br /><br />Christianity is more than just looking out for ourselves. It is loving our neighbors as ourselves. It is saying, Even though Julie is not my daughter I can't be part of a group that raped her!<br /><br />We love our neighbor as ourselves. How would you want others to treat you if you were raped by a so-called preacher? Would you want them to sit and listen to a rapist preaching? How would it feel to you if they did that? Would you feel like the rapist got away with it and that his mocking God and hurting you was okay? Isn't that the message that is sent to the victims of these crimes if we do nothing? We have to be responsible for what we join ourselves to.<br /><br />You folks seem like good people who are trying to carefully sort out the truth. We get that. We understand that. But truthfully, when 1, 2, 3 witnesses come forward saying, davis raped me, johnny jordan raped me, kekel raped me, ...!!! You are seeing the pattern. When Fontenot's ex-wife shares that she told kekel and davis that Fontenot raped their daughter, but they let Fontenot come back and be part of the church without warning anyone... you see the problem. These guys are guilty. The ntcc is not safe. Even if you don't have children, you cannot be a part of that and lure other people and their kids into that trap.<br /><br />We believe you want to do the right thing; and we know God will help you.Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-25922644310843547432014-04-15T22:13:27.654-07:002014-04-15T22:13:27.654-07:00DNA say,
Anonymous, Congratulations on having a b...DNA say,<br /><br />Anonymous, Congratulations on having a backbone and a conscience! You may want to mentally prepare yourself that you are already on your way out of the NTCC. Why? Because these things (and more) really did happen to Julie and the other women who have shared their testimonies - Pam Norton, Lisa Norton, and Lori Kelley. And Davis was fully aware of all of it. And Kekel is accused too of being a rapists. And St. Clair has his "Minister In Good Standing with the NTCC" license. When you confront him, he will be MAD. He will run to Kekel and Kekel will try to bring the heat down on you.<br /><br />I know I can't question the leaders because that is disrespectful to God but you really think I will get kicked out for asking Rev. St. Clair about the past. Why would he get mad for me inquiring what happened between him and his daughter so many years back it will just be a few questions? I do get he may send me to Rev. Kekel to speak. Well I am going to speak to Rev. St. Clair this week and I'll see what he has to say. I have read the other posts yesterday and today it is strange and shocking what has happened to each one. From what I read about Julie she had to be thinking of suicide? I pray these men are sorry for what they did and repent of their ways. Do you think Julie is emotional and mental stable in this point of her life with all that has happen? I don't mean mentally off. I am just concern how this has made her.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-45097217091227182332014-04-14T21:24:12.070-07:002014-04-14T21:24:12.070-07:00I am the one that asked why are these people still...I am the one that asked why are these people still allowed to be around innocence kids?<br /><br />Thank you for mentioning that God cares about couples too. My wife and I sit here reading what you wrote. It makes us think even though we have never had kids with what you say maybe God wants us out of this group. We have no opportunity now to have kids but it would be nice to not be miserable. My wife is so unhappy that she suffers from great depression. She has physical health stuff but since we don't have insurance she can't go to the doctor.<br /><br />Is God against having insurance? Do you guys believe insurance is biblically okay to have? You really believe God wants me happy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-39881624906614976902014-04-14T16:22:05.700-07:002014-04-14T16:22:05.700-07:00On Hidden Secrets Anonymous said,
I do plan on co...<i> On Hidden Secrets Anonymous said,<br /><br />I do plan on confronting Rev. St. Clair the next time I see him. This is just sick what his daughter says he did to her. If he even admits to part of it I don't know I could be a considered a pastor in such a place that allows him behind the pulpit. I am sitting here shaking my head.</i><br /><br />DNA say,<br /><br />Anonymous, Congratulations on having a backbone and a conscience! You may want to mentally prepare yourself that you are already on your way out of the NTCC. Why? Because these things (and more) really did happen to Julie and the other women who have shared their testimonies - Pam Norton, Lisa Norton, and Lori Kelley. And Davis was fully aware of all of it. And Kekel is accused too of being a rapists. And St. Clair has his "Minister In Good Standing with the NTCC" license. When you confront him, he will be MAD. He will run to Kekel and Kekel will try to bring the heat down on you. You might as well accept it right now, you, my friend, have a Christian conscience. You will never fit in with these devils. What fellowship has light with darkness? NONE. Just accept it and embrace freedom in Christ. Freedom from religion. Freedom to worship God in Spirit and in Truth!1 NCO 2 Anotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03783519822813692240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-29109117626448273432014-04-14T16:15:08.308-07:002014-04-14T16:15:08.308-07:00On Hidden Secrets, Anonymous said,
I have been bo...<i>On Hidden Secrets, Anonymous said,<br /><br />I have been bothered by some of Rev and Sis St. Clair behavior around kids. Now I understand I am not wrong in not wanting my kids around them. I thank God for directing me to have peace as a parent in my gut feeling.<br /><br />These people need to learn how to treat kids. They know how to draw kids in but not how to care about them.</i><br /><br />DNA say,<br /><br />Anon, we are glad you heeded your gut feeling. We hope this has led you completely out of the NTCC. It would be nice if these perverts would get saved and change; but since that hasn't happened yet, it would be best to leave a group led by the worst sort of perverts around. A little leaven leavens the whole lump. It only takes a tiny bit of yeast to make the whole lump of dough rise. It only takes a little bit of sin to make that whole church dirty. You don't want to be part of that. Please leave and find a safe environment a healthy church where you can serve God.1 NCO 2 Anotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03783519822813692240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-44294600806607722412014-04-14T16:09:45.800-07:002014-04-14T16:09:45.800-07:00On Hidden Secrets, Anonymous said,
Why are these...<i>On Hidden Secrets, Anonymous said,<br /><br />Why are these people still allowed to be around innocence kids? They may have changed but if they haven't kids are endanger. Why risk even one kid's life to see if they have changed? NTCC seems to care more about the abusers then they care about kids yet they say they are all about souls. Kids are souls that can be lost forever too.</i><br /><br />DNA say,<br /><br />You raise some good questions. Why would anyone in their right mind allow accused pedophiles and perverts to be around any kids or even adults? What kind of so-called church has leaders who are the worst offenders of them all? Why would any parent risk loosing their child for eternity just to get a pat on the head and Scooby Snack from a self-appointed so-called preacher who has never pioneered any churches, doesn't soul-win, has a reputation for being mean and not seeming to be saved....???!!!<br /><br />Do you parents think you are pleasing God by staying in this religious hypocrite environment? Don't you realize that God loves your children too and would never expect or want you to put them at risk like this?<br /><br />Please consider these things folks. Your children are souls who need you to protect them and show them the ways of God, not the ways of perverse men. We love you guys and want your families to be safe and sound in Christ. Please heed these warnings before it is too late.<br /><br />And as for you single or married folks who do not yet have the blessing of children. Remember, you too are God's child. He wants you in a living and breathing church that points people to Christ, not trains them to be mindlessly obedient to men who would have you sacrifice your future just so they can live in luxury. Please open your hearts and eyes to all that is right in front of you and ask yourself if it really lines up with the bible examples lived by Christ and His servants the apostles and prophets. That book is there for a reason. It's to show you God. Please heed what IT says. Learn what God says and follow THAT more than the voices of men who have given themselves titles.1 NCO 2 Anotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03783519822813692240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-62411539960859093602014-04-13T21:11:52.659-07:002014-04-13T21:11:52.659-07:00I do plan on confronting Rev. St. Clair the next t...I do plan on confronting Rev. St. Clair the next time I see him. This is just sick what his daughter says he did to her. If he even admits to part of it I don't know I could be a considered a pastor in such a place that allows him behind the pulpit. I am sitting here shaking my head. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-46714412068371788522014-04-08T18:54:43.680-07:002014-04-08T18:54:43.680-07:00I have been bothered by some of Rev and Sis St. Cl...I have been bothered by some of Rev and Sis St. Clair behavior around kids. Now I understand I am not wrong in not wanting my kids around them. I thank God for directing me to have peace as a parent in my gut feeling.<br /><br />These people need to learn how to treat kids. They know how to draw kids in but not how to care about them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-63533431788719922932014-04-02T15:34:20.000-07:002014-04-02T15:34:20.000-07:00Why are these people still allowed to be around in...Why are these people still allowed to be around innocence kids? They may have changed but if they haven't kids are endanger. Why risk even one kid's life to see if they have changed? NTCC seems to care more about the abusers then they care about kids yet they say they are all about souls. Kids are souls that can be lost forever too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-41148664888203370922014-03-07T09:45:49.957-08:002014-03-07T09:45:49.957-08:00Thanks Don and Ange for helping me clarify what I ...Thanks Don and Ange for helping me clarify what I was saying about Davis. Yes I am still learning how to explain everything that has happened to me. I only started learning last year that some of the stuff that took place was wrong and some it has taken until recently to understand it was also abuse against me. Learning it isn't my fault people abused me was shocking to me for I had been taught it was always my fault. <br /><br />I have carried the burden for many years. It is like a growth so imbedded in me it takes time to know how to fully remove it from me.<br /><br /> There is so much that has taken place in my life. It is like a vine that has so covered the house I am still removing as I try to found the house underneath.<br /><br /> Learning to understand what has been done to me doesn't define who I am really. I still struggle with being loved but I am getting better at excepting I am worth loving though it is a day by day struggle for me even now.<br /><br />Hugs,<br /><br />JulieJulienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-62054748596363198912014-03-01T20:16:40.399-08:002014-03-01T20:16:40.399-08:00What You Can Do To Help A Victim Of Abuse<b>What You Can Do To Help A Victim Of Abuse</b>Click Herehttp://www.campbell.edu/pdf/counseling-services/helping-an-abused-friend.pdfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-21558562037136494192014-03-01T20:04:29.499-08:002014-03-01T20:04:29.499-08:00Eight Ways To Support A Victim Of Abuse<b>Eight Ways To Support A Victim Of Abuse</b>Click Herehttp://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/article/60639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-35868852391198230982014-03-01T18:33:20.709-08:002014-03-01T18:33:20.709-08:00Hi all,
This is Diana Taylor. For many years I wa...<b>Hi all,<br /><br />This is Diana Taylor. For many years I was involved in this organization. To some of you some things may sound unbelievable, but I have to say that you need to read and listen with an open heart. <br /><br />I was a victim of sexual abuse...for many years I did not talk about it because I thought I would not be believed. It is really hard for a victim of any kind of abuse to come out right away. Only those that have been through it can relate! Those that have never been through such a thing are the ones that will come out and say that they (meaning the person abused) was the cause of their abuse. <br /><br />Mark, I can understand somewhat why you are sceptical about what these girls are saying. I just want to say to please be patient. There are others, but because of their fear they are not coming out. I can appreciate these girls bravery for coming out. Don't be so hard on them!<br /><br />I have shared some things with Don N Ange and it will come out in a future post.</b>Diana Taylorhttp://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/article/60639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-3572538075749165472014-03-01T18:11:34.732-08:002014-03-01T18:11:34.732-08:00Mark,
You are right. I was wrong about Verna hugg...Mark,<br /><br />You are right. I was wrong about Verna hugging you. I read the thread again and it was actually Don who she hugged, and you were surprised by that since the ntcc used to teach against that for people of the opposite sex (gender). <br /><br />I'm not looking for anti-ntcc comments. I'm looking for the truth.<br /><br />I also want to create an environment where victims of abuse feel safe sharing their stories without fear of people accusing them of lying or telling them outlandish things like it was their fault.<br /><br />I feel there are elements in your comments that would harm these girls who have suffered enough already. If you can write something supportive or neutral that doesn't do that, I will post it.<br /><br />Here's a link for your comment about your encounter with the Davises at the Black Bear Diner:<br /><br /><a href="http://ntccxerblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/tour-ntcc-4-bonco_19.html?showComment=1358895717435#c5649270879437195145" rel="nofollow">Click here</a> If you read the subsequent comments you will see how I made that mistake. I do apologize for that. I'm not perfect. And I'm not going to ever claim that I am either. :o)Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13856390366708964349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-22149390024384729322014-03-01T16:43:53.930-08:002014-03-01T16:43:53.930-08:00I used to think you were a gentleman who respected...I used to think you were a gentleman who respected women and would not hurt a woman.<br /><br />Was I wrong to think that?<br /><br />How can you read these accounts and not feel for their plight?<br /><br />I'm going to pray for you. I'm going to pray that God will give you the answer and the grace to receive it. Because right now I feel in doubt of your ability to receive that grace on your own.<br /><br />Wouldn't it be nice if everyone just prayed that the truth about ntcc would come out? But how can it? People need a voice. So should we stifle those who are sharing their stories?<br /><br />Disappointed. Just so disappointed.Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13856390366708964349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-41530629275002686922014-03-01T16:38:39.729-08:002014-03-01T16:38:39.729-08:00I don't blame you for not liking being categor...I don't blame you for not liking being categorized as "wishy washy". That is not a name I'd want. But does it fit your actions?<br /><br />Have you gone on the record that you really dislike Tanya Davis Kekel, yet seem completely enarmoured with her mother Verna? You profess that you thought she was good looking and seemed thrilled that she came up to you at a restaurant not too long ago and hugged you.<br /><br />YUCK. To me, as is the Mother, so is the Daughter. Everything you dislike about Tanya Kekel she learned from Verna and Rodger. Don't you see that?<br /><br />If that isn't double-minded or wishy washy, I don't know what is. They are exactly alike in spirit and purpose and pompous sense of entitlement. Both are bossy. One may be more subtil (Gen. 3:1) about it, but just as bossy. So approving of one and disapproving of the other makes no sense to me. It seems wishy washy or double-minded as if you are waffling.Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13856390366708964349noreply@blogger.com