tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post1467982760157834865..comments2023-04-28T04:15:15.576-07:00Comments on ntcc Xer blog: New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. eX-Ministers' and eX-Members' Site: Scamming God's People - Flippin' Churches Part 3Don and Angehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-38595541733452439802014-04-05T20:37:41.654-07:002014-04-05T20:37:41.654-07:00Anonymous also stated, after ONE visit to an NTCC ...Anonymous also stated, after ONE visit to an NTCC service:<br /><br />"I vowed I would never attend this synagogue of Satan EVER again."<br /><br />DNA say,<br /><br />And that's a wrap, folks. You are too wise my friend.<br /><br /><i>I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan. - Rev 2:9 KJV<br /><br />Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. - Rev 3:9 KJV</i>Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-90156318074994490492014-04-05T20:33:31.510-07:002014-04-05T20:33:31.510-07:00Anonymous said,
"Yes, I even attended ONE se...Anonymous said,<br /><br />"Yes, I even attended ONE service at NTCC that I was invited to..undergoing a stare down contest with RW because I REFUSED to bow my head in submission to him."<br /><br />Don and Ange say,<br /><br />Oh, yes. The wonderful staring contest with r-dub. You are 100% correct to say that he did want you to bow your head in submission to him. You were wise to NOT do so. Jesus set the example for us when satan tries to get us to bow down to him:<br /><br /><i>8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. - Mat 4:8-10 KJV</i>Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-39364897546871731662014-04-05T19:53:59.844-07:002014-04-05T19:53:59.844-07:00I personally have had many dealings with both Toby...I personally have had many dealings with both Toby and Michelle while they were still disciples under the "mighty thumb" of the late great RW Davis; Who I sincerely hope is enjoying the heat he lives in now. <br />Yes, I even attended ONE service at NTCC that I was invited to..undergoing a stare down contest with RW because I REFUSED to bow my head in submission to him. I vowed I would never attend this synagogue of Satan EVER again.<br />Considering they are nothing more then programmed drones for the NTCC I am NOT surprised at their tactics,,, nor am I surprised that Michelle was the spokesperson for all that happened. My heart goes out to those who were robbed of their building,,,but remember,,the Congregation is NOT the building,,it's the people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-59757330702872750762012-11-18T05:19:41.437-08:002012-11-18T05:19:41.437-08:00Johnny Jordan did rape a ntcc child. The family w...Johnny Jordan did rape a ntcc child. The family was moved and this crime was covered up. Why was Davis not held accountable? "He said..." vs. "She said..." - it's hard to prove guilt without evidence or more witnesses than just the victim. Also, back then, people did not talk much about rape or sexual assault like they do today. Raping a child is serious. Some states prosecute even years after the crime took place. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-44264382586663064062012-08-13T13:38:49.029-07:002012-08-13T13:38:49.029-07:00In the video Michele Hanson says, "According ...In the video Michele Hanson says, "According to [inaudible] Boyd, uhm, none of the original members are around. Uhm, as a matter of fact the City of Auxvasse worked really hard to look for the original members."<br /><br />It seems some have interpreted "original members" in a chronological fashion similar to founding fathers.<br /><br />We interpreted "original members" to mean anyone from the congregation that owned the building prior to the ntcc / Hanson purchase.<br />We felt that any such member of that congregation would have reasonable information as to the right person to contact regarding the sale or purchase of the church property.<br /><br />LS stated "I personally wouldn't want to have anything to do with the whole thing. I would give them their Church back and get my $3000 back." <br /><br />We agree. The whole deal seems wrong. The presence of the previous congregation, gathered in silent protest says they feel they were wronged. To us it stinks of a typical ntcc scheme that builds equity for the borg, regardless of who gets hurt in the process.Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-53928874873513319382012-08-12T01:37:43.100-07:002012-08-12T01:37:43.100-07:00In the video, the lady that was interviewed said t...In the video, the lady that was interviewed said that the city was looking for ORIGINAL members of the Church. <br /><br />More than likely they could find current members but the original members like the woman who sold it to them would know who had legal right to the Church. <br /><br />I am not taking up for them but I don't like when people are misquoted...<br /><br />Now with that being said. Looking for the original members...I wonder how old the Church is that they don't have any public records? Also, like the man that was interviewed said, the woman (Boyd), I question her motives. Wouldn't that Church, if still active, have a minister or board members, deacons and etc. It sounds fishy. <br /><br />I personally wouldn't want to have anything to do with the whole thing. I would give them their Church back and get my $3000 back. I don't like for things to look "wrong". But that's just me! :)<br /><br />LSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-32783534355384633132012-08-08T04:46:04.288-07:002012-08-08T04:46:04.288-07:00HaHa! Great video! Thanks. :o)HaHa! Great video! Thanks. :o)Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-905487695600375652012-08-07T22:02:16.034-07:002012-08-07T22:02:16.034-07:00i remember one time i was going to a class in the ...i remember one time i was going to a class in the fake bible school that is a front for real estate and i went in just being myself and endeavoring to evoke a laugh from people.... and what do ya know ? <br />ol kekel has to blast me for being an individual- <br /><br />try to be yourself in ntcc and it'll be frowned upon if you stand out...<br /><br />here's a song called "be yourself"<br />enjoy!<br /><a href="http://youtu.be/3FCUrNxnCPw" rel="nofollow">Be Yourself</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-4918142423111909742012-08-03T09:45:21.783-07:002012-08-03T09:45:21.783-07:00Oops - couple of typos. But you get the idea.Oops - couple of typos. But you get the idea.Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-790998640970444392012-08-03T09:43:53.258-07:002012-08-03T09:43:53.258-07:00We agree ~ going slow and just being a friend is t...We agree ~ going slow and just being a friend is the best approach. Let her know you are always there for her, that you missed her. We are sure the ntcc 'leaders' keep a close watch on these blogs, so they may already be using code preaching, trying to make her think you are "of the devil" and "just there to take her away from gawd" - by which they mean take her away from the ntcc, or as we call it, the borg or Evil Empire (since you seem to favor Star Wars =D). Like we said, it can take time to unplug from the matrix; so knowing that can prepare you for a possible long wait (while you hope for a quick awakening). The ntcc confuses people into thinking that leaving the borg equals leaving God. That just ain't so. The bible never said 'ye must be only ntcc to see the kingdom of heaven'. God just want people to worship Him in Spirit and in Truth leaving the ntcc is. Big step toward that true service to God. :o)Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-42158178327289278172012-08-02T18:36:15.615-07:002012-08-02T18:36:15.615-07:00Great advice!Great advice!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-88484201458115122382012-08-02T18:27:57.265-07:002012-08-02T18:27:57.265-07:00just contact her and be her friend.... don't t...just contact her and be her friend.... don't try to rescue her or anything during these initial stages.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-84565402516395744792012-08-02T12:41:50.978-07:002012-08-02T12:41:50.978-07:00Let's put it this way...can she walk away at a...Let's put it this way...can she walk away at a moments notice...I wonder if kids r involved?<br />My Friggin head is filled with worry!!! I mean, this just sounds so weird. And yes, we rode rollercoasters, ate ice cream, and discovered U2 together. Simple stuff she's not allowed to partake in anymore..Friggin way sad. Heck there has to be 50 friends at her old high school who want to know where she is. They might even want to talk to her bout this. Sorry for the rant but that's me, and life is short!!<br />Tell these people to go watch Star Wars, donate some time, and maybe drive a little fast. Heck, do they even understand how fun it is to go flying down a hill on skis!!! U get the point. Tell me what to do in order so I can get my friend back to the real world..It may not be perfect but it seems God set this all up for us to enjoy!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-44607148419315806302012-08-02T12:17:04.530-07:002012-08-02T12:17:04.530-07:00Thank You for your response. Told this story to a ...Thank You for your response. Told this story to a few people, who on the outside of all this, have a very matter of fact opinion about anything that is deemed weird. Most of these folks live wonderful lives including baseball, a cocktail, PTA, and everything else fun and interesting. Of course religion is a part of most of our lives, maybe not to the extent of others, but cmon, nothing rules our lives, except maybe our children, lol. I truely want to call her,<br />Check to see if she is ok, but never have faced this kind of situation before. Heck is the hubby<br />gonna go nuts? Are these people dangerous?<br />And yes, I wonder if she would feel the heat for even talking to me? Btw, I am extremely confident in all aspects of life with a hint of out side the box thinkin. Our family is very large, smart, and oh yea practicing Catholics. Not worried bout anybody getting in my ear, lol!<br />So that said, should I drop in, call? I do believe in eye contact and quite frankly, I can start the whole conversation very nicely. But I also can in fact get to the point....period. Thoughts?????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-13908290206484957092012-08-01T12:54:17.576-07:002012-08-01T12:54:17.576-07:00To put things into perspective, we've noticed ...To put things into perspective, we've noticed that the people who defend NTCC the most, the ones who write on the Xer blogs in defense of NTCC, often leave the group. BUT <i>on average</i> it takes them seven years to do so!<br /><br />We look at it as a spiritual harvest. We are planting the seeds of truth. Somebody else will water. God gives the increase. It may not take that much time. (Hopefully not.) But if you don't see immediate results, do not be discouraged or give up on your friend. You may have to agree to disagree about NTCC until God can open the eyes of her understanding. She may not have ever read anything on these blogs; NTCC definitely teaches against that. LOL.<br /><br />Anyway, keep the faith. Fight the good fight of faith. Love your friend. Stay in contact as much as is possible. Believe God for her. He died so we all could have freedom in Him and a real relationship with Him. Through accepting that truth and believing He is God, anything is possible. :o) <br /><br />Our e-mail address is on our Blogger profiles if you want to contact us.<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />Don and AngeDon and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-35743090552198302102012-08-01T12:31:31.407-07:002012-08-01T12:31:31.407-07:00That is why members change and no longer resemble ...That is why members change and no longer resemble the person you knew. An internet study of how cults operate will quickly show that NTCC is a cult.<br /><br />Does your friend need to be rescued? Yes. But that, too, can be complex. She, as we were, has been carefully conditioned and trained to view all people who are not "in" NTCC as lost, sinners, or not true Christians. She has been taught that this blog and others like it are "full of lies" written by people who are "bitter" and "angry". She has been trained to be afraid of anyone or anything that would take her away from the NTCC as "being of the devil"...<br /><br />Our best advice would be to love your friend and try to keep the door of comunication open. Pray for her. She has been taught by professional conmen who have been running this scam for more than forty years. She was not indoctrinated overnight; so it may take some time and patience for God to reveal the truth to her. He may have called you for just that purpose, putting it in your heart to look her up. She could probably use a good friend right now!<br /><br />Try not to take it personally if she says things about your faith. NTCC definitely teaches its members to have an "Us vs. Them" mentality. Also know that while you seek to bring her out of that group, she will be trying to get you "in".Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-88883806153478239542012-08-01T12:12:31.039-07:002012-08-01T12:12:31.039-07:00Hi. Thanks for your comment. First of all, we be...Hi. Thanks for your comment. First of all, we believe your friend is still a fantastic person, deep down inside, where it counts. She may have done things that are not Christ-like due to group pressure; but she could repent.<br /><br />Cults and controlling groups like NTCC prey upon the best, the motivated, the people who are willing to sacrifice to help others.<br /><br />What makes these groups so dangerous and destructive is how they manipulate and change people in a negative fashion.<br /><br />You have asked an important qustion regarding how a person can subjugate themselves. The answer is complex.<br /><br />These groups offer some things everyone wants: love, acceptance, peace, joy, belonging, family, purpose.<br /><br />These things seem to come freely and easily at first. New people are bombarded with love and acceptance.<br /><br />But in time they will be expected to conform to the group's rules, no matter the cost.<br /><br />What is particularly evil about NTCC is that they will take true Christians and wear them down through legalism; until the Christian places group rules above the teaching of the Word of God.<br /><br />To be continuedDon and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-16860814081349575102012-08-01T10:54:46.032-07:002012-08-01T10:54:46.032-07:00Ok I know this is gonna be weird, but here goes.
I...Ok I know this is gonna be weird, but here goes.<br />I am not a religious person...per se, but it all sounds like a cult that contradicts everything one might contribute to God. In the Catholic Church, the congregation ask for help....that's it.<br />No bullies needed. Secondly, are pastors and better yet, wives held captive in some way? It seems to me that if your that close to God, many other churches would need your help without all the controlling aspects and beliefs!<br />Really..poverty with a broken down church?<br />Sounds like slavery. Especially with the proceeds<br />being distributed. How can anybody subject their own life like that!!!!!!!! No sports, no tv..just hand over the money!!!! Now here's the weird part...Michele Hanson used to be a playmate when I was 7! Then, she travelled to my junior prom as my friend. Lost track of her.<br />Now I simply try to look her up on Facebook<br />And I find this crap!!!! Really????? This lady was a fantastic person, who's family was fantastic enough to drive her to my prom!!! WTF happened!!!!! If she is still in Auxvasse, she is an hour away!!! That said, she does not fit the bill of a scandalous person. Put it this way, I fully expected to find her on Facebook, graduated from college, kids soccer photos, etc...This sounds sooo wrong, with a hint of brainwashing<br />Thoughts....does she need to be rescued!!! I do hope God IS watching over her.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-55413167572914821752012-07-22T12:28:01.441-07:002012-07-22T12:28:01.441-07:00Yup. That's Barry. Single. St. Louis.Yup. That's Barry. Single. St. Louis.Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-8113668492246425492012-07-22T11:24:27.342-07:002012-07-22T11:24:27.342-07:00That must be Barry...That must be Barry...Vic Johansonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-1543728774569548122012-07-10T11:47:48.229-07:002012-07-10T11:47:48.229-07:00Some time ago I met another jordan but he goes to ...Some time ago I met another jordan but he goes to the st.louis church.<br />I remember just casually trying to go around and meet new people at a conference and low and behold I met this dude, didn't even know he was part of that family.<br />He is single and apparently is a faithful member there for years and years. Small world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-55953957477887296472012-07-09T17:20:50.666-07:002012-07-09T17:20:50.666-07:00Anon. asked,
"A question, is Johnny Jordan t...Anon. asked,<br /><br />"A question, is Johnny Jordan the brother of Rev. Jordan?"<br /><br />DnA say,<br /><br />We tried to answer this question with just a comment, but soon found it becoming a full blog post. So here's the link to answer your question:<br /><br /><a href="http://ntccxerblog.blogspot.com/2012/07/jordans-ashmores-and-ntccs-family-cover.html" rel="nofollow">Link To Answer</a>Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-64790803286186055962012-07-09T13:59:09.675-07:002012-07-09T13:59:09.675-07:00Anon. said, "If I did all the that Davis has ...Anon. said, "If I did all the that Davis has done, and is being accused of, I would need Nyquil to sleep too,"<br /><br />Dna say,<br /><br />BINGO! davis used to scare people into staying in ntcc by sharing the story of a man who drank. When asked why, the man said he drank "to forget" [God, past blessings, coming judgment]. We think davis is in that same [NyQuil induced] pickle!Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-74935794848026349462012-07-09T13:55:49.402-07:002012-07-09T13:55:49.402-07:00Anon. said, "I don't understand why Mr Ha...Anon. said, "I don't understand why Mr Hanson, stands in the back while his wife talks to the press"<br /><br />DnA say,<br /><br />We raised the same question. Now we will play devil's advocate and answer it in opposing views:<br /><br />In ntcc it is taught that the man is the head, the woman has, and we quote davis, "no authority". So by ntcc standards, it would be considered very wrong for a man and woman to do this.<br /><br />Now, to play the devil's advocate and give an opposing view:<br /><br />In many churches, especially in the American culture, women are considered equals with men. They can hold and exercise authority, make purchases, speak to reporters, make decisions, etc. without being labeled "rebellious" and without people thinking ill of the woman's husband.<br /><br />Consider Proverbs 31 and the way God describes a virtuous woman:<br /><br />Prov 31:10 Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price [is] far above rubies.<br /><br />Pro 31:11 The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.<br /><br />Pro 31:12 She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.<br /><br />Pro 31:16 She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.<br /><br />************************************<br /><br />What is the point of all this? We really want to show some of ntcc's false doctrines, and questionable real estate practices under the guise of religion.<br /><br />We do raise the question as to the integrity of this purchase, chiefly because the Second Baptist Members clearly felt they were wronged. And we see the clearly established pattern of flipping churches and other real estate in the ntcc, a so-called non-profit making a profit.<br /><br />What adds to the mystery is ntcc's CULTure of secrecy. Didn't God say that men do not light a candle to put it under a bushel [basket]? So why all the cloak-and-dagger secrecy of even church addresses and list of ministers' pastoring 'in' the ntcc? Why is their church locator so out of date and full of lies, errors, misinformation? Look how old the photo of the Hasty's was. If the ntcc locator were accessible, one could probably still find ministers who left years ago listed as being a pastor in various works. At best the locator is a joke. We believe ntcc is purposely misleading people to hide their massive losses of ministers who are tired of the ntcc CULTure; in other words, we believe ntcc is "making a lie".<br /><br />We searched for New Testament Christian Churches of America in Auxvasse, and Google had nothing listed. An image search yielded only the photos from our own blog. <br /><br />Our question is why the big mystery? If you say you are in town to proclaim the life-saving gospel of Jesus Christ, why then is it such a secret where your church is located??????<br /><br />htcc is a sick, secretive CULTure.<br /><br />The people embroiled in its tentacles are blinded to what they are a part of. We know. We were 'in' too. <br /><br />If folks would just take a step back and consider what God really wants, they would see for themselves how messed up ntcc is. It's hard to do, though, when you are 'in' and subject to all the rules, time constraints, financial pressures, and other burdens that the men running ntcc have strapped on your back while they refuse to lift a finger to help. Well, there is one finger they will 'lift'; but it won't be to help anyone. Ahem.<br /><br />Anyway. More to come on this saga. This comment is long enough.Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-36588525374331722392012-07-09T13:42:58.644-07:002012-07-09T13:42:58.644-07:00Ok, I got my answer, this sicko is George Jordans ...Ok, I got my answer, this sicko is George Jordans brother. So my question to Don and Ange is this, did J Jordan rape a child of someone within the NTCC? Not that it is any different? A crime was committed but if it was a child of a NTCC member or minister, and that family was moved and this crime was covered up. Yes, that is a crime in itself, and why was Davis not held accountable for the cover up back when it happened? This is very disturbing...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com