tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post3353391490238976354..comments2023-04-28T04:15:15.576-07:00Comments on ntcc Xer blog: New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. eX-Ministers' and eX-Members' Site: Ashmore is Out! Before the Grass has a Chance to Grow on RWD's Grave, James Ross Ashmore Bails on the NTCCDon and Angehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comBlogger105125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-34100290551146494472015-04-24T13:06:52.382-07:002015-04-24T13:06:52.382-07:00I never even thought about that... Where is he bu...I never even thought about that... Where is he buried?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-75428497225783428792015-04-04T01:54:35.234-07:002015-04-04T01:54:35.234-07:00Speaking of Davis, where is he buried?Speaking of Davis, where is he buried?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-24618004624129001592015-03-13T05:09:28.325-07:002015-03-13T05:09:28.325-07:00No, This item is not closed for blogging. Some co...No, This item is not closed for blogging. Some comments just don't make the cut. <br /><br /><br />Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-48208505274662373702015-03-12T10:04:38.098-07:002015-03-12T10:04:38.098-07:00Is this item closed for blogging?Is this item closed for blogging?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-43781151600232597842015-02-27T23:11:00.445-08:002015-02-27T23:11:00.445-08:00BTW, I am not on here as anonymous, I don't fe...BTW, I am not on here as anonymous, I don't fear them. Do you? Many of us from the 70's ntcc experience still have our right minds and Jesus, despite their tired tirades against us. Oh yes, and we're not broke nor cursed by God as they wish.Brother Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17894595109326951438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-39685714198582861072015-02-27T23:06:50.360-08:002015-02-27T23:06:50.360-08:00Why did I leave? I discovered that God was bigger ...Why did I leave? I discovered that God was bigger than NTCC. I had been lied to by the leadership. They threw me under the bus, so I rolled to the curb, dusted myself off, and the bottoms of my shoes, and found Jesus on the sidewalk. So the 2 of us walked on.Brother Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17894595109326951438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-82531195474744950222015-02-27T09:27:28.094-08:002015-02-27T09:27:28.094-08:00Can I ask what caused you to leave Brother D?
How...Can I ask what caused you to leave Brother D?<br /><br />How did 3 accusers get brushed aside?<br /><br />I'm just blown away by this blog.<br /><br />I can see why a wake of xer's are out there. I once said RW was today's Moses. I was such a moron.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-15031316649565262332015-02-26T23:38:13.257-08:002015-02-26T23:38:13.257-08:00Regarding CO Sensabaugh, he was only like a son, k...Regarding CO Sensabaugh, he was only like a son, knew RW since a teen. Preached in the Philipines with Cl Barnes, but COSensabaugh split from RW taking Carondolet Church preaching "Moses is dead, (RW) let us move on" when 3 women at Carondelet accused RW of you-know-what... Pop Gaylord sided w RW and the rest is history... RW fled town for awhile, but returned to 2170Forest with a few of us students to start over fresh... fresh indoctrination... And intense mind control disguised as service to God.Brother Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17894595109326951438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-75179205044892270642015-02-24T09:12:27.881-08:002015-02-24T09:12:27.881-08:00"Aint Misbehavin"
That was a great blog..."Aint Misbehavin"<br /><br />That was a great blog post that got a whole lot of people angry. People that had not let their children in any sports or encouraged them not to attend a real college. MY GOODNESS HOW DID THAT HAPPEN!!!<br /><br />How he got away with that is beyond me in terms of pastors sticking around who had children that were deprived of a childhood.<br /><br />X PREACHERAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-35909326908990445522015-02-23T12:49:38.435-08:002015-02-23T12:49:38.435-08:00I have officially left NTCC.
I am currently on ...I have officially left NTCC. <br /><br />I am currently on my way to San Diego California to join <br />Rev Ashmore's Grace filled Jesus centered ministry. <br /><br />" Jesus revival ministries "<br /><br />The first order of business when I get down there is the get Rev ashmore saved. Lol. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-44489031525995951752015-02-23T12:19:13.292-08:002015-02-23T12:19:13.292-08:00I heard something about him moving to Arizona but ...I heard something about him moving to Arizona but that might be Grants home now I don't know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-58060968421714409932015-02-20T11:15:03.813-08:002015-02-20T11:15:03.813-08:00Davis was alive during the time Kekel was changing...Davis was alive during the time Kekel was changing everything. How did that happen?<br /><br />His Ain't misbehaving blog came out while Davis was the Chairman of the board.<br /><br />Did Davis up and retire at the end?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-35306356693967604392015-02-20T09:21:45.166-08:002015-02-20T09:21:45.166-08:00Has Ashmore taken ministers with him? Is this sim...Has Ashmore taken ministers with him? Is this similar to the Denis break?<br /><br />Is Ashmore breaking and establishing holiness church verses NTCC which has compromised their holiness standards?<br /><br />Would appreciate any info.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-620659859495936902015-02-20T08:21:18.337-08:002015-02-20T08:21:18.337-08:00To the preacher thinking about leaving and joining...To the preacher thinking about leaving and joining ashmore could you give us updates?<br /><br />I'd like to know if you're able to leave and if so what you're going to do.<br /><br />ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-10192944054424535972015-02-20T06:50:41.950-08:002015-02-20T06:50:41.950-08:00D/A
My wife was sick because of mono for about 2 ...D/A<br /><br />My wife was sick because of mono for about 2 years. She heard the constant drum beat of sickness is of the devil. It wore her out and she became depressed. <br /><br />What I'm saying is I was treated kindly by the ministers and brothers in a non church setting. <br /><br />I get the whole guilt trip thing they put on all of us if we missed church. That was something that always got under my skin.<br /><br />Thank you for responding to my post. You seem dedicated to helping those of us who are still in the wilderness of confusion.<br /><br />God blessAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-28293994241388497402015-02-19T20:37:59.309-08:002015-02-19T20:37:59.309-08:00Anonymous said:
"I don't mean to seem li...Anonymous said:<br /><br />"I don't mean to seem like I don't believe what's being said here but I didn't have these same experiences."<br /><br />DNA said:<br /><br />So everyone treated you just wonderful? Why would your wife get depressed if everything was so great? You shouldn't feel guilty about leaving a church unless they left you with the impression that leaving them was just like leaving God. Don't follow people, follow God. Did you really fall out? People leave churches for a lot of reasons but that doesn't mean you left God.<br /><br />I'm not criticizing you, but you might want to ask yourself these questions:<br /><br />1. Do you have a right to know where your money is going and if you were to ask your wonderful pastor where it all went would he become indignant? In a transparent church you don't have to ask, they give you a print out of where all the money goes, but they don't attach an ultimatum of hell to your eternal soul when you don't pay it.<br /><br />2. You were married, but were the relationships ever manipulated, or were brothers ever not allowed to talk to sisters in your church? Were they segregated with the women sitting on one side and the men sitting on others? Do you think this is normal?<br /><br />3. How would your pastor feel if you began missing a church service here or a church service there? Would he continue to welcome you with open arms and consider you to be a brother? <br /><br />I ask about 1 zillion more questions and we all know the answers. Be honest with yourself, do you think Davis, Kekel, Ashmore and your pastor really cared much for you or were you in a system where you were being exploited for your money and whatever else they could get out of you?<br /><br />Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-63087705999374392772015-02-19T20:25:13.577-08:002015-02-19T20:25:13.577-08:00DJ said:
Has the IRS ever looked into them?
DNA ...DJ said:<br /><br />Has the IRS ever looked into them?<br /><br />DNA said:<br /><br />The IRS is well known for it's lack of concern when it comes to 501c non profit religious organizations. There has been legislation in congress to take a closer look but nothings ever come of it. There are many non profit religious organizations who's leaders get filthy rich while the members struggle to get buy after paying their tithes and giving in offerings.<br /><br />Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-27111226060626872702015-02-19T20:21:52.525-08:002015-02-19T20:21:52.525-08:00Anonymous said...
NTCC has abandoned "Holine...Anonymous said...<br /><br />NTCC has abandoned "Holiness" doctrine?<br /><br />DNA said...<br /><br />Kekel never cared much for the Holiness doctrine. He actually threw Davis under the bus when he was confronted on the Jeff's blog years ago about Grant wearing shorts and playing in organized Sports. Davis had always preached against that sort of thing often referring to the scripture, "Bodily exercise profiteth little". 1 Timothy 4:8 Kekel said that what Davis was preaching was just policy, not bible. <br /><br />Many of us predicted that it wouldn't be long after Davis died and 'holiness' doctrine would be out the window, but it's been a slow process. Davis also prophesied that the ntcc would not keep holiness after he died, stating that: "Holiness organizations only last about 40 years, 50 years, 30 years or whatever number he would pick; it always seemed to change. <br /><br />Many of the board members wives used foundation and wrinkle cream when they started turning into old hags and wanted to look younger. There were many accounts of preacher's wives going to the gym in spandex and sweat pants. My wife even seen Verna Davis wear pajama bottoms at the camp ground. <br /><br />Don't think for a minute that holiness ever applied to the higher ups. It was only a control measure used to indicate who was loyal to the ntcc leadership. My opinion of the ntcc's man made holiness is that most of the people who followed it had the Pharisaical attitude of, "Look at me and my clothes, how holy I am. I'm not like all of the other peons in this world that dress normal. I'm better than anyone else. Meanwhile most of the people who taught this garbage were perverts, pedophiles, adulterers, whore house visiters and child rapists.Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-72913142147986488152015-02-19T11:54:55.396-08:002015-02-19T11:54:55.396-08:00D / A
I never got the impression in the 90's...D / A <br /><br />I never got the impression in the 90's that they were Cat/Dog/Pet haters. Was that mainly at the bible college?<br /><br />I met Reverend Davis twice while at Ft. Campbell. Both times I was impressed with his charisma. Were there times where he was just a nice person? Did he mellow over the years?<br /><br />Reverend Ashmore seemed like a fantastic preacher but it was only during a revival that I saw him in Nashville. He seemed nice enough.<br /><br />I don't mean to seem like I don't believe what's being said here but I didn't have these same experiences.<br /><br />I left the church because my wife became depressed and I went to another post where there was no church and just kind of fell out. By the time I started to look at the few years I was in I started wondering about everything. <br /><br />I still have guilty feelings about leaving. I had a pastor that was pretty good to me and preached very positively. <br /><br />Only after I started doing searches online did I find sites like this with all the back stories. I could start to see the control, the anti social behavior, and so on.<br /><br />Where do we go from here? Is there a "true church" after all these centuries of compromise, misinterpretation, cults and so on?<br /><br />I actually want to believe but I can't. I don't feel the bible is true anymore.<br /><br />Sorry for rambling. I better get back to work. <br /><br />Good day all<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-75484176497005355322015-02-19T08:55:35.991-08:002015-02-19T08:55:35.991-08:00I honestly don't understand how they are getti...I honestly don't understand how they are getting away with this? <br /><br />Doing everything in cash still leaves a trail in that there is no trail and things look even more suspicious. Buying million dollar homes, private education, fancy cars. Things always come out.<br /><br />Has the IRS ever looked into them?<br /><br />DJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-84518604391339044362015-02-19T08:24:34.893-08:002015-02-19T08:24:34.893-08:00NTCC has abandoned "Holiness" doctrine? ...NTCC has abandoned "Holiness" doctrine? <br /><br />How could that happen without confusing the crap out of everyone that's spent more than a year in that church?<br /><br />How did they transition away or was it just done away with immediately?<br /><br />That blows my mind!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-20777230422507086982015-02-19T04:35:35.443-08:002015-02-19T04:35:35.443-08:00If you are still mixed up with the ntcc, you need ...If you are still mixed up with the ntcc, you need to make a clean break from them. The last place you need to go is to Ashmore's church. That's like going from the Jehovah's Witnesses to the Mormons. Why the need to be controlled? You aren't going to find any more freedom going to Ashmore's church than you would at Ron Denis's church. You might as well stay brainwashed in the ntcc. You want to really get mixed up in the head, hop on over to Ashmore's church, then go visit Denis. Your mind will be so completely mixed up that your head will feel like a cutting board full of chopped and diced vegetables.<br /><br />Now that the ntcc has done away with their 'holiness' doctrine, maybe they will allow you to go church hopping and check out some of the former ntcc hireling's churches. Ask Kekel if it's okay to go visit the Ashmores and see if you can win them back to God. <br /><br />The only way you'll ever get freedom from the manipulative and mind controlling puppet masters is if you just leave the organization to include all of it's former ministers and find God for yourselves. You don't need some 6 or 7 figure income preacher to tell you how to get close to God. You'd do much better with a bible, a concordance and a cup of coffee than you would in the ntcc. You don't need someone wearing a white shirt, wing tips, and a Swedish Knit Suit with a paisley tie to tell you how to make it into the kingdom of heaven. Do you think Jesus went around in the best robe, riding on the most expensive camels and collecting money for his next upgrade to his mansion while he was on this earth? No, of coarse not, He was a servant of all and if He was to come down to earth right now, He wouldn't even be allowed in an ntcc service. <br /><br />They say that they love Jesus and worship him but they treat the people made in his Father's image like slaves while they care only about the money. How can you love Jesus whom you haven't seen when you have no love for the Brethren whom you have seen every day? I know people that have shown more decency to the brethren in the ntcc, than the leaders of the organization, and they don't even claim to be Christians. What you have in the ntcc is a bunch of Pharisees and Saducees. Liars, thieves and hypocrites. They preach for your money and you support them. They will continue this pattern of reckless and in-genuine behavior until you stop supporting them.Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-60777759398715293622015-02-19T04:09:02.048-08:002015-02-19T04:09:02.048-08:00Anonymous said...
Rev.Ashmore hasn't changed ...Anonymous said...<br /><br />Rev.Ashmore hasn't changed in the money department because he still heavily preaches tithe and supporting preachers.<br /><br />DNA said...<br /><br />Not surprising at all. Ashmore of late has lived a pretty nice lifestyle. He had a big pink mansion in Graham that he moved into when Kekel upgraded to live next to king Davis. I haven't seen the Ashmore's house in the San Diego area, but if anyone would like to snap a picture of it and send it to us, we'll include it in our blog post about Ashmore. Because that's what we do. We expose money grubbing hypocrites for what they are so everyone can see their ways. I wonder if anyone is brave enough to knock on his door and than back up far enough to get Ashmore at the door and the rest of his house in the same photograph. I would like to see the expression on Ashmores face. It probably wouldn't be an expression of love. It most likely would be an expression of hate like you would find on Davises face if you were to do the same to him. <br /><br />I doubt if Ashmore is going to cut back on his lifestyle to help anyone who is suffering in this world. If Ashmore does anything, he'll continue pumping people for tithes and offerings. Next time the church invites you out to some kind of dinner or BBQ to show off Ashmore's house, you should bring a few homeless people from the shelter over to his house and see how warm and loving he is towards you and them. Those are the ones that really need God, and Ashmore can share his wisdom that he gets from Charles Spurgeon and D. L.Moody with them as he passes out Walmart gift certificates so they can buy themselves new clothing. Think that will ever happen? Those scriptures have long since been torn out of the bible by these money grubbing hypocrites. They don't care about the poor and they don't care about you.Don and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-89070115279018344892015-02-18T21:57:29.576-08:002015-02-18T21:57:29.576-08:00Rev.Ashmore hasn't changed in the money depart...Rev.Ashmore hasn't changed in the money department because he still heavily preaches tithe and supporting preachers. I thought it would be a good idea to join him since he was breaking off from the bad "seed". He was more concerned about me paying tithe then concerned about me as an individual. It shocked me he didn't mention money until I spoke of joining him in what I thought was the work of God. At this time I don't know what to think of him because he doesn't seem to have changed in fact he seems to have gotten worse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8463118149068513544.post-56430987299961601312015-02-18T16:17:24.506-08:002015-02-18T16:17:24.506-08:00There was a guy named Carl Sensabaugh who was said...There was a guy named Carl Sensabaugh who was said to be adopted by Davis. We heard this from someone years ago but could not verify it. Carl Sensabaugh was being groomed for leadership and his name can be found on some of the original ntcc documents. Brother Ken recently told us that he heard the same thing, that Sensabaugh was Davis' adopted son. It's all kept under a shroud of Mystery as was Tanya's Filipino, heritage. Davis adopted Tanya supposedly while in the Philippines but was very tight lipped about the adoption. People aren't stupid and they could see the oriental features, so under pressure I'm sure Davis had to say something to someone. I heard about Tanya from Cyrus, but other ministers had lock jaw when it came to speaking of her heritage. Secrets. smhDon and Angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08130358238099845361noreply@blogger.com