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He Loves A House More Than God: Bonco Mansions of kekel (l) and davis (r)

He Loves A House More Than God:  Bonco Mansions of kekel (l) and davis (r)
"He loves a house more than God:" *Bonco* Mansions of kekel (l) and davis (r). Meanwhile, on the mission field: ntcc Missionaries to the Philippines "Rev. and Sis. Mackert ... found a place, 9 feet by 14 feet [9'x14'] and one bathroom. It is on the 6th floor and there is no elevator. The last place they had stayed, they had to share a common bathroom with the other tenants! Yikes! This place has their very own private bathroom, although the Rev. shared there is no seat on the throne, and no way to attach one…." from The Devonshire Files Sunday, May 28, 2006 Visit from the Mackerts (5/06). ** Should you know where the money ($$$$$) goes? **

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Matt 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, Matt 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Gal. 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Skip To Blue Letter Bible Search Tool

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Wednesday, July 4, 2012

Scamming God's People - Flippin' Churches Part 3

Just a hop, skip and a jump from the NTCC National Campground Resort lies the small town of Auxvasse, Missouri, population 983 [as of 2010 census] and total land area of 0.7 square miles (according to Wikipedia / Auxvasse).

Back in October of 2011 the NTCC was embroiled in a real-estate scandal there, when they purchased a local church's building without the consent of that congregation, doubtless all with the approval of the real-estate savvy NTCC Board Members who do not allow anyone to do anything without their permission.

From KOMU, an NBC affiliate in Missouri:  KOMU.com

Congregation Members Dispute Church Ownership:

Auxvasse, Missouri:
Oct. 8,2011 by
Natalie Cheng

Read Story >>

Watch Video >>

"Doris Brooks, the widow of the last deacon, sold the property to New Testament Christian Church pastor Toby Hanson and his wife Michele for $3,000. Second Baptist members, however, do not think Brooks had rights to the property."  Natalie Cheng, KOMU News Reporter

We Ask:

  • Would the ntcc take advantage of a grieving widow?
  • Would the ntcc real-estate experts steal a church building from a congregation?
  • Would the ntcc then try to pass-off the blame on some front-line minister?
  • Would the minister leave his wife out there to answer for these things?
  • Doesn't the ntcc require YOU to get permission before YOU purchase anything?  YES.

"Congregation members said that even if the Hansons were unaware of the congregation's presence, they hope the Hansons would re-evaluate their actions now the congregation has come forward." 

We are doing our part to help not only the Hansons re-evaluate, but the true culprits, the ntcc real-estate moguls; who have been scamming people for years.  We are prodding them to examine their actions and to remember the words of our LORD:

"Thou shalt love they neighbor as thyself."

In laymen's terms, this has been interpreted as:


  • Would YOU really want someone to take advantage of your widow?
  • Would you want a church that was your property to be sold out from under you without your consent or knowledge?
  • Would you want your wife to be blamed for something when it had the approval of the NTCC Board Members?
  • What kind of a church or so-called Christian does these things? YOUR NTCC!

Playing The Blame Game?

"Michele Hanson said Brooks approached them about the property, and she felt she was doing a favor to Brooks by pledging to maintain the building."

We gotta say; this reminds us of the Garden Of Eden blame game.   Where Adam, who was charged with dressing and keeping the garden, blames Eve; who blames the serpant.  C'mon now.  Can we get a witness?  "Amen!"

How's Attendance in YOUR NTCC?

"The church had not been in use for a number of years due to the condition of the building."

Wow, Second Baptist must really have it going on!  They haven't used their building "for a number of years"; yet when the congregation showed up, there were more people there then in NTCC churches that have been up and running for years!  LOL!

A Church With No Members?

And why was it so hard for the board overseeing this sale to find this congregation?  Wouldn't a simple poster or two on the door or a notice in the local news suffice to "find the congregation"?  C'mon now.  It is what it is.

What Is NTCC Thinking?

Take a close look at the inside and outside of this building in the video at the bottom of this post.  We notice two things:
  1. The church in the video looks nothing like what ntcc has as their picture of the Auxvasse, MO church on the NTCC Church Locator Site.
  2. The church building in the video is in need of serious repair.  
Let's examine these two issues.

Which Church Is It?

Here Are Two Screen Shots / Photos of The Church In The Video:
NTCC New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc.
 Auxvasse, MO Church Interior 
NTCC New Testament Christian Churches Of America, Inc.
 Auxvasse, MO Church Exterior 

Here Is The Picture The NTCC Has On Their Church Locator Page For the Auxvasse, Missouri NTCC "About Us":
NTCC New Testament Christian Churches Of America, Inc.
 Mexico, MO or Auxvasse, MO NTCC? 

Another Fixer Upper:

Clearly the church in the video is in need of serious repair.  If you're "in" NTCC you know what that means:  A)  Time for the local minister to "Make It Happen" and / or B)  Time to call in those so-called 'independent contractors' (the NTCC building crew) and get busy flipping this church building.

Once the building is looking fine, the local minister and his wife can get busy recouping the NTCC corporate's expenditures, pumping the congregation for a "Building Fund" and "Sunday Night Budget Offering", in every service commanding them, the way the NTCC requires its ministers to announce in every service:


Once the congregation is large enough, and the funds have all been recovered (and then some) and held in the bank escrow account controlled by Graham, Wa. NTCC Corporate Headquarters, then it's time to move the couple who "made it happen" and bring in some other blood.

In fact, with the eXposure this story brings, NTCC has the perfect reason to move the Hansons and bring in an abusive jerk to get rid of any congregants.

That way the NTCC can flip the remodeled building for profit; coz that's how it is in YOUR NTCC. That's how they do it. The Go-Getters will be sent to another new work (read run-down building that needs to be repaired); and the cycle will repeat. Want to see how NTCC works it?

Part 2:

Dispute of Church Goes Legal:  KOMU8 STORY LINK

Related Posts:

1)  Flippin' Churches

2)  The Fixer Uppers


Mark G. said...

This really sucks, But don't expect the leadership at NTCC to be giving anything back to anybody, grieving widow or not.
On the other hand, another thought has crossed my mind. I'll give the leadership at NTCC the benefit of the doubt for a minute. Perhaps they were not aware of all the circumstances surrounding the property? Perhaps they bought it in "Good Faith" initially. Given their track record though, I have to hold my nose when I say what I just said.

Don and Ange said...

Mrs. Hanson says in the video, that "The "City" of Auxvasse worked very hard to find the members of 2nd Baptist Church before the transaction took place. Come on now! All you'd have to do in a town that is .7 square miles is yell into a bull horn from town square. How hard would you have to work to find members of a church in a town of 983 people? It's funny how they showed up by the droves during a water baptism after the slick deal was done.

The entire police department consisting of one car even showed up for crowd control. You know how those angry mobs can get. I would hate to see what the turn out would have been if they had a free Bar-B-que for the community or a bake sale. I guess the ntcc preacher must have caused quite a stir.

How do you legally sell a church and the property it sits on without a deed that is in somebody's name? Praise God, the Lawrd really blessed us with this building! With the money they saved on this bargain they can buy a PA system that'll really rock the neighborhood. I hope they attended Mike Kekel's skit on PA systems so they know how to use it properly.


Anonymous said...

The property that is in dispute is a different church than the one that is found in the ntcc web locator, which was acquired when the hamptons were pastoring and they totally fixed it up and it has a beautiful high ceiling, I've been there.
The Hamptons and dad keener and others did alot of work to it, because it came with a pastoral house which kinson took over and renovated it to make it livable.
Apparently there is a mix up because the hansons were not there when the first property was acquired.

Anonymous said...

It seems that the hansons bought this property on their own, otherwise they wouldn't have told the reporter that it is gonna be used for the community and apparently be rented out to whomever has a function.
The ntcc would never approve something like that, as far as I know, unless the ntcc gave permission to the hansons to do this maybe the hansons saw an opportunity to make some profit by turning this building and then renting it on their own.
Oh well, they are just following the same pattern that the others are doing, trying to get a part of the real estate pie!

Don and Ange said...

Thanks, Anon, for your input. So is the red brick building actually in Mexico, Mo? That would make the most sense; because the Hamptons were laboring in Mexico, Mo. during the nineties.

Plus the red brick building picture's file name on the NTCC Church Locator's Auxvasse, Mo. "About Us" page is "Mexico Church". So once again we see the NTCC Church Locator Site is woefully inaccurate.

Now the question is, did ntcc make another mistake? Or are they purposefully misleading people seeking info on this controversial purchase (making a lie)? Unlike Mark, we are not inclined to give ntcc the benefit of the doubt. Too many times ntcc has been caught in a lie. ntcc incorporated is not trustworthy.

Don and Ange said...

Anonymous was talking about the red brick building and said,

"The Hamptons and dad keener and others did alot of work to it, because it came with a pastoral house which kinson took over and renovated it to make it livable."

Are you saying phil kinson owns the pastorate residence that accompanies this red brick building? Did phil and debbie labor there? Or do they just rent the house out to the current ntcc pastor who works their now? Or does anyone actually work there now? Does ntcc have an active church in Mexico, Mo? It is hard to say with all the false data on their locator site.

Don and Ange said...

Anon at 7:34 said, "maybe the hansons saw an opportunity to make some profit by turning this building and then renting it on their own"

We doubt this. Even though that is a pattern in the corporate ntcc, most local ministers really care about reaching people for Christ.

Also, independent thought and action is discouraged and frankly punished within the ntcc rank and file ministers.

We noticed the New Testament Christian Church was able to keep their name out of both the video and written reports of this questionable real-estate deal.

We would love to see all the deeds on this property from the time leading up to and including the transfer from Second Baptist until the present day.

Don and Ange said...

The KOMU article also reported Michele Hanson as saying, in their words, "the title company they went through did not find any members of the church at the time of purchase."

As we watched the video we noticed most of the Second Baptist Congregation present, if not all, appear to be of African American Heritage. The census data, according to Wikipedia, for Auxvasse, Mo. states that approximately 5% of the 983 residents are African Americans. In total that is less than 50 people for the whole town. How hard could it be to find this congregation in such a small area as 0.7 square miles? Are we really supposed to believe these statements?

Ange attended Heavenfest in 2009 where over 30,000 people were present. In less than 12hours she unexpectedly bumped into 6 people from 3 different cities, none of whom knew that she would be there. The point is, in 30,000 people you can find six people you know when you are not even looking for them? How hard would it be to find one of fifty, or ten of fifty, for that matter. There appear to be perhaps ten members from the Second Baptist congregation present at this protest.

Something is not adding up. Mark was right. This sale stinks to high heaven.

Chief said...

What a bunch of scam artists. The dog gone property the building sits on is worth $3000. The NTCC takes everyone to the cleaners. They have no scruples. Man, that Ain't right to take advantage of someone by giving them $3000 for a church building!!! The NTCC ain't nothing but a bunch of con artists. I don't know how these crooks sleep well at night. RWD and his ministers are no more than a bunch of con artists.


Chief said...

The NTCC leadership are such a bunch of con artists they'll probably take up a special offering when RWD dies to place him in an above ground tomb made of marble. The sad part is, the NTCC suckers would be tripping over each other in a race to see who could make the first contribution. A tomb like that sounds like a good place to take leak.


Don and Ange said...

Chief! What's up? "A tomb like that sounds like a good place to take leak. " Haha. You're killing us with your sense of humor! That would be a fitting end to somebody like davis, who spent decades urinating and defecating spiritually on people, making pregnant women cry, convincing men to get themselves snipped, cutting off their posterity (literally).

But there should be no marble tomb. For my money they should be cast on the dung heap after the dog's devour and deposit them there like what happened to Jezebel; who took Nabaioth's vineyard by force and was judged for it:

1Ki 21 [all] and

Wherefore they came again, and told him. And he said, This [is] the word of the LORD, which he spake by his servant Elijah the Tishbite, saying, In the portion of Jezreel shall dogs eat the flesh of Jezebel:

And the carcase of Jezebel shall be as dung upon the face of the field in the portion of Jezreel; [so] that they shall not say, This [is] Jezebel.
2Ki 9:36-37

For the ntcc too has, in the words of the prophet Jeremiah, "done the work of the Lord deceitfully" and as such are cursed:

Cursed [be] he that doeth the work of the LORD deceitfully, ... Jer 48:10 (p)

Chief said...

I'd probably not take a leak on his tomb. If I did, the shrubs and flowers would bloom and RWD doesn't deserve that. My urine is too good for his tomb. It would be a better idea to plant kudzu around it and maybe a couple brier bushes. That would be fitting for such a scoundrel.

Don and Ange said...

That's right, Chief! I forgot about "Chief's Miracle Grow"!

For those who don't know the story, Chief had some shrubs in a secluded area on his property. They croaked. Well, he was so disgusted with them, he decided to 'relieve himself' on them each time he passed by them.

Guess what? In no time at all the shrubs were back to life.

If you're super spiritually inclined, you would concede that a man's life is truly blessed when everything he touches prospers, especially if he is only touching it with his you know what. LOL

If you are a pragmatist, you would say it's just the nitrogen in his urine. Whatever. The plants are alive either way.

Chief's Miracle Grow. LOL

Anonymous said...

We were in a conference when it was announced that the church in Ausvasse was gonna be purchased and that was maybe in 2004, I'm not sure, and the hamptons were pastoring in Mexico,MO.
The church was purchased and the hamptons were saying at the conference that the town of ausvasse was a very small town, and that church was historical to that town.
They gave a few people the grand tour of the picturesque church.
I don't recall that it had a baptistry. I recall a high ceiling and being painted a sky blue with clouds.
I don't know why kinson lived at the pastoral house. I think the deal was that if he fixed it up to live there, he could live there rent free. Who knows.

But most definitely it is not the same church.

Don and Ange said...

Thanks, Anon. Are you saying the church the ntcc purchased (in 2004?) is not the same as the white church, the red brick church, or both?

Chief said...

Yeah, those bushes on my property are doing great now. Now I regularly fertilize them. Recently a couple weren't as green as the others and their leaves weren't as full but I took care of that problem. Ha, ha. They've grow a lot this season; all six of them. They border my property line to the south. Yeah, I wouldn't waste my urine on RWD's tomb, that's for sure. I'd sell it to the Kekels though for a fair market value, (double what you pay for ordinary fertilizer). I'd even make deliveries for them and leave it at their front door like the milk man. ROFLOL.


Anonymous said...

That is correct. It is not the same church.

Anonymous said...

Not the same church as what?

Anonymous said...

The white church is not the same as the red brick one, isn't that obvious?

Anonymous said...

Anon did you see the inside of the red brick church?

Anonymous said...

On the outside and looking at this story, something stinks in Denmark, firstly, how can someone buy a church for 3000.00, small town or no small town, also this NTCC woman must have known of the racial divide in this small town. Do the NTCC have any scruples? This is after all the South. Why didn't her husband, the minister make the statement to the news? I understand that the NTCC does not help its ministers buy their churches, but this seems fishy to me. 3000.00 to buy a church??? What is the link with the person who sold the NTCC minister and his wife the property?

Anonymous said...

On another note, the 2010 census estimates that 23,491 people live in Graham, and do you know what? If you are in Graham or even passing through, guaranteed, you will run into or drive by one of the "christians" from the NTCC. So finding someone who would be part of this church in this very small town would be very easy to do. This church appears to be in a more poorer area, nonetheless, their church means something to them, and it should. Someone sold this church to this couple from the NTCC and they are upset about it, judging by the video this group of people feels duped, and they did not even know it.

Don and Ange said...

Chief said,

"I don't know how these crooks sleep well at night. RWD and his ministers are no more than a bunch of con artists."

Don and Ange say,

They don't sleep well at night. Reportedly davis has way too many NyQuil bottles in his trash. He can rest easy now, though. NyQuil has a new product they are marketing as "ZzzQuil".

We wonder what proof (% alcohol) it is?

Here's the list of inactive ingredients, which typically make up most of the ingredients by percentage of any medicine:

Inactive Ingredients
Citric Acid, Alcohol, FD&C Blue No. 1, FD&C Red No. 40, Flavor, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Polyoxyl 40 Stearate, Propylene Glycol, Purified Water, Saccharin Sodium, Sodium Benzoate, Sodium Citrate Dihydrate

Should be interesting to see if davis switches to the new product. There seems to be only one flavor pictured, something purple. Too bad. davis seems partial to cherry, not purple.

Anonymous said...

How do you know Davis takes Nyquil to fall asleep at night? Also, why would a person who has trouble sleeping take a cold medicine to help him sleep? And yes, it does have alcohol in it. A small tidbit of information in the scheme of the NTCC, however, it is interesting...

Don and Ange said...

Here's a link to one of many comments on Jeff's blog describing davis' love of NyQuil:

Comment Link

Hint: Wait until the page is fully loaded before hitting any navigation keys. The link should take you directly to the top of that comment.

If you want more info, go to Jeff's story about the Reeds,
"The Reeds" Story Link

Then search the page for the word NyQuil.

Then, if you still want more info, you can read much more about it by using the search box in the right hand column on Jeff's blog and typing in nyquil. That will bring up links to ten stories.

Don and Ange said...

Mobile Link for NyQuil Comment

Anonymous said...

I don't understand why Mr Hanson, stands in the back while his wife talks to the press. Cowardly...this church will fold too, from a lack of members. The reputation in this town will be bad and they won't be able to get people to come out to this church. Good luck with that.

Anonymous said...

If I did all the that Davis has done, and is being accused of, I would need Nyquil to sleep too, it is hard to lay your head down at night when you live a corrupt life in the name of God. Just think about it.

Anonymous said...

A question, is Johnny Jordan the brother of Rev. Jordan? who apprently recently returned to Graham after being abroad for a few years. He has a wife and no kids, of course, I don't know their first names. Another question, was Johnny Jordan a minister in the Graham church? I was there for some 9 years and do not remember seeing him.

Anonymous said...

Ok, I got my answer, this sicko is George Jordans brother. So my question to Don and Ange is this, did J Jordan rape a child of someone within the NTCC? Not that it is any different? A crime was committed but if it was a child of a NTCC member or minister, and that family was moved and this crime was covered up. Yes, that is a crime in itself, and why was Davis not held accountable for the cover up back when it happened? This is very disturbing...

Don and Ange said...

Anon. said, "I don't understand why Mr Hanson, stands in the back while his wife talks to the press"

DnA say,

We raised the same question. Now we will play devil's advocate and answer it in opposing views:

In ntcc it is taught that the man is the head, the woman has, and we quote davis, "no authority". So by ntcc standards, it would be considered very wrong for a man and woman to do this.

Now, to play the devil's advocate and give an opposing view:

In many churches, especially in the American culture, women are considered equals with men. They can hold and exercise authority, make purchases, speak to reporters, make decisions, etc. without being labeled "rebellious" and without people thinking ill of the woman's husband.

Consider Proverbs 31 and the way God describes a virtuous woman:

Prov 31:10 Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price [is] far above rubies.

Pro 31:11 The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.

Pro 31:12 She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.

Pro 31:16 She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.


What is the point of all this? We really want to show some of ntcc's false doctrines, and questionable real estate practices under the guise of religion.

We do raise the question as to the integrity of this purchase, chiefly because the Second Baptist Members clearly felt they were wronged. And we see the clearly established pattern of flipping churches and other real estate in the ntcc, a so-called non-profit making a profit.

What adds to the mystery is ntcc's CULTure of secrecy. Didn't God say that men do not light a candle to put it under a bushel [basket]? So why all the cloak-and-dagger secrecy of even church addresses and list of ministers' pastoring 'in' the ntcc? Why is their church locator so out of date and full of lies, errors, misinformation? Look how old the photo of the Hasty's was. If the ntcc locator were accessible, one could probably still find ministers who left years ago listed as being a pastor in various works. At best the locator is a joke. We believe ntcc is purposely misleading people to hide their massive losses of ministers who are tired of the ntcc CULTure; in other words, we believe ntcc is "making a lie".

We searched for New Testament Christian Churches of America in Auxvasse, and Google had nothing listed. An image search yielded only the photos from our own blog.

Our question is why the big mystery? If you say you are in town to proclaim the life-saving gospel of Jesus Christ, why then is it such a secret where your church is located??????

htcc is a sick, secretive CULTure.

The people embroiled in its tentacles are blinded to what they are a part of. We know. We were 'in' too.

If folks would just take a step back and consider what God really wants, they would see for themselves how messed up ntcc is. It's hard to do, though, when you are 'in' and subject to all the rules, time constraints, financial pressures, and other burdens that the men running ntcc have strapped on your back while they refuse to lift a finger to help. Well, there is one finger they will 'lift'; but it won't be to help anyone. Ahem.

Anyway. More to come on this saga. This comment is long enough.

Don and Ange said...

Anon. said, "If I did all the that Davis has done, and is being accused of, I would need Nyquil to sleep too,"

Dna say,

BINGO! davis used to scare people into staying in ntcc by sharing the story of a man who drank. When asked why, the man said he drank "to forget" [God, past blessings, coming judgment]. We think davis is in that same [NyQuil induced] pickle!

Don and Ange said...

Anon. asked,

"A question, is Johnny Jordan the brother of Rev. Jordan?"

DnA say,

We tried to answer this question with just a comment, but soon found it becoming a full blog post. So here's the link to answer your question:

Link To Answer

Anonymous said...

Some time ago I met another jordan but he goes to the st.louis church.
I remember just casually trying to go around and meet new people at a conference and low and behold I met this dude, didn't even know he was part of that family.
He is single and apparently is a faithful member there for years and years. Small world.

Vic Johanson said...

That must be Barry...

Don and Ange said...

Yup. That's Barry. Single. St. Louis.

Anonymous said...

Ok I know this is gonna be weird, but here goes.
I am not a religious person...per se, but it all sounds like a cult that contradicts everything one might contribute to God. In the Catholic Church, the congregation ask for help....that's it.
No bullies needed. Secondly, are pastors and better yet, wives held captive in some way? It seems to me that if your that close to God, many other churches would need your help without all the controlling aspects and beliefs!
Really..poverty with a broken down church?
Sounds like slavery. Especially with the proceeds
being distributed. How can anybody subject their own life like that!!!!!!!! No sports, no tv..just hand over the money!!!! Now here's the weird part...Michele Hanson used to be a playmate when I was 7! Then, she travelled to my junior prom as my friend. Lost track of her.
Now I simply try to look her up on Facebook
And I find this crap!!!! Really????? This lady was a fantastic person, who's family was fantastic enough to drive her to my prom!!! WTF happened!!!!! If she is still in Auxvasse, she is an hour away!!! That said, she does not fit the bill of a scandalous person. Put it this way, I fully expected to find her on Facebook, graduated from college, kids soccer photos, etc...This sounds sooo wrong, with a hint of brainwashing
Thoughts....does she need to be rescued!!! I do hope God IS watching over her.

Don and Ange said...

Hi. Thanks for your comment. First of all, we believe your friend is still a fantastic person, deep down inside, where it counts. She may have done things that are not Christ-like due to group pressure; but she could repent.

Cults and controlling groups like NTCC prey upon the best, the motivated, the people who are willing to sacrifice to help others.

What makes these groups so dangerous and destructive is how they manipulate and change people in a negative fashion.

You have asked an important qustion regarding how a person can subjugate themselves. The answer is complex.

These groups offer some things everyone wants: love, acceptance, peace, joy, belonging, family, purpose.

These things seem to come freely and easily at first. New people are bombarded with love and acceptance.

But in time they will be expected to conform to the group's rules, no matter the cost.

What is particularly evil about NTCC is that they will take true Christians and wear them down through legalism; until the Christian places group rules above the teaching of the Word of God.

To be continued

Don and Ange said...

That is why members change and no longer resemble the person you knew. An internet study of how cults operate will quickly show that NTCC is a cult.

Does your friend need to be rescued? Yes. But that, too, can be complex. She, as we were, has been carefully conditioned and trained to view all people who are not "in" NTCC as lost, sinners, or not true Christians. She has been taught that this blog and others like it are "full of lies" written by people who are "bitter" and "angry". She has been trained to be afraid of anyone or anything that would take her away from the NTCC as "being of the devil"...

Our best advice would be to love your friend and try to keep the door of comunication open. Pray for her. She has been taught by professional conmen who have been running this scam for more than forty years. She was not indoctrinated overnight; so it may take some time and patience for God to reveal the truth to her. He may have called you for just that purpose, putting it in your heart to look her up. She could probably use a good friend right now!

Try not to take it personally if she says things about your faith. NTCC definitely teaches its members to have an "Us vs. Them" mentality. Also know that while you seek to bring her out of that group, she will be trying to get you "in".

Don and Ange said...

To put things into perspective, we've noticed that the people who defend NTCC the most, the ones who write on the Xer blogs in defense of NTCC, often leave the group. BUT on average it takes them seven years to do so!

We look at it as a spiritual harvest. We are planting the seeds of truth. Somebody else will water. God gives the increase. It may not take that much time. (Hopefully not.) But if you don't see immediate results, do not be discouraged or give up on your friend. You may have to agree to disagree about NTCC until God can open the eyes of her understanding. She may not have ever read anything on these blogs; NTCC definitely teaches against that. LOL.

Anyway, keep the faith. Fight the good fight of faith. Love your friend. Stay in contact as much as is possible. Believe God for her. He died so we all could have freedom in Him and a real relationship with Him. Through accepting that truth and believing He is God, anything is possible. :o)

Our e-mail address is on our Blogger profiles if you want to contact us.


Don and Ange

Anonymous said...

Thank You for your response. Told this story to a few people, who on the outside of all this, have a very matter of fact opinion about anything that is deemed weird. Most of these folks live wonderful lives including baseball, a cocktail, PTA, and everything else fun and interesting. Of course religion is a part of most of our lives, maybe not to the extent of others, but cmon, nothing rules our lives, except maybe our children, lol. I truely want to call her,
Check to see if she is ok, but never have faced this kind of situation before. Heck is the hubby
gonna go nuts? Are these people dangerous?
And yes, I wonder if she would feel the heat for even talking to me? Btw, I am extremely confident in all aspects of life with a hint of out side the box thinkin. Our family is very large, smart, and oh yea practicing Catholics. Not worried bout anybody getting in my ear, lol!
So that said, should I drop in, call? I do believe in eye contact and quite frankly, I can start the whole conversation very nicely. But I also can in fact get to the point....period. Thoughts?????

Anonymous said...

Let's put it this way...can she walk away at a moments notice...I wonder if kids r involved?
My Friggin head is filled with worry!!! I mean, this just sounds so weird. And yes, we rode rollercoasters, ate ice cream, and discovered U2 together. Simple stuff she's not allowed to partake in anymore..Friggin way sad. Heck there has to be 50 friends at her old high school who want to know where she is. They might even want to talk to her bout this. Sorry for the rant but that's me, and life is short!!
Tell these people to go watch Star Wars, donate some time, and maybe drive a little fast. Heck, do they even understand how fun it is to go flying down a hill on skis!!! U get the point. Tell me what to do in order so I can get my friend back to the real world..It may not be perfect but it seems God set this all up for us to enjoy!!!

Anonymous said...

just contact her and be her friend.... don't try to rescue her or anything during these initial stages.

Anonymous said...

Great advice!

Don and Ange said...

We agree ~ going slow and just being a friend is the best approach. Let her know you are always there for her, that you missed her. We are sure the ntcc 'leaders' keep a close watch on these blogs, so they may already be using code preaching, trying to make her think you are "of the devil" and "just there to take her away from gawd" - by which they mean take her away from the ntcc, or as we call it, the borg or Evil Empire (since you seem to favor Star Wars =D). Like we said, it can take time to unplug from the matrix; so knowing that can prepare you for a possible long wait (while you hope for a quick awakening). The ntcc confuses people into thinking that leaving the borg equals leaving God. That just ain't so. The bible never said 'ye must be only ntcc to see the kingdom of heaven'. God just want people to worship Him in Spirit and in Truth leaving the ntcc is. Big step toward that true service to God. :o)

Don and Ange said...

Oops - couple of typos. But you get the idea.

Anonymous said...

i remember one time i was going to a class in the fake bible school that is a front for real estate and i went in just being myself and endeavoring to evoke a laugh from people.... and what do ya know ?
ol kekel has to blast me for being an individual-

try to be yourself in ntcc and it'll be frowned upon if you stand out...

here's a song called "be yourself"
Be Yourself

Don and Ange said...

HaHa! Great video! Thanks. :o)

Anonymous said...

In the video, the lady that was interviewed said that the city was looking for ORIGINAL members of the Church.

More than likely they could find current members but the original members like the woman who sold it to them would know who had legal right to the Church.

I am not taking up for them but I don't like when people are misquoted...

Now with that being said. Looking for the original members...I wonder how old the Church is that they don't have any public records? Also, like the man that was interviewed said, the woman (Boyd), I question her motives. Wouldn't that Church, if still active, have a minister or board members, deacons and etc. It sounds fishy.

I personally wouldn't want to have anything to do with the whole thing. I would give them their Church back and get my $3000 back. I don't like for things to look "wrong". But that's just me! :)


Don and Ange said...

In the video Michele Hanson says, "According to [inaudible] Boyd, uhm, none of the original members are around. Uhm, as a matter of fact the City of Auxvasse worked really hard to look for the original members."

It seems some have interpreted "original members" in a chronological fashion similar to founding fathers.

We interpreted "original members" to mean anyone from the congregation that owned the building prior to the ntcc / Hanson purchase.
We felt that any such member of that congregation would have reasonable information as to the right person to contact regarding the sale or purchase of the church property.

LS stated "I personally wouldn't want to have anything to do with the whole thing. I would give them their Church back and get my $3000 back."

We agree. The whole deal seems wrong. The presence of the previous congregation, gathered in silent protest says they feel they were wronged. To us it stinks of a typical ntcc scheme that builds equity for the borg, regardless of who gets hurt in the process.

Anonymous said...

Johnny Jordan did rape a ntcc child. The family was moved and this crime was covered up. Why was Davis not held accountable? "He said..." vs. "She said..." - it's hard to prove guilt without evidence or more witnesses than just the victim. Also, back then, people did not talk much about rape or sexual assault like they do today. Raping a child is serious. Some states prosecute even years after the crime took place.

Anonymous said...

I personally have had many dealings with both Toby and Michelle while they were still disciples under the "mighty thumb" of the late great RW Davis; Who I sincerely hope is enjoying the heat he lives in now.
Yes, I even attended ONE service at NTCC that I was invited to..undergoing a stare down contest with RW because I REFUSED to bow my head in submission to him. I vowed I would never attend this synagogue of Satan EVER again.
Considering they are nothing more then programmed drones for the NTCC I am NOT surprised at their tactics,,, nor am I surprised that Michelle was the spokesperson for all that happened. My heart goes out to those who were robbed of their building,,,but remember,,the Congregation is NOT the building,,it's the people.

Don and Ange said...

Anonymous said,

"Yes, I even attended ONE service at NTCC that I was invited to..undergoing a stare down contest with RW because I REFUSED to bow my head in submission to him."

Don and Ange say,

Oh, yes. The wonderful staring contest with r-dub. You are 100% correct to say that he did want you to bow your head in submission to him. You were wise to NOT do so. Jesus set the example for us when satan tries to get us to bow down to him:

8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. - Mat 4:8-10 KJV

Don and Ange said...

Anonymous also stated, after ONE visit to an NTCC service:

"I vowed I would never attend this synagogue of Satan EVER again."

DNA say,

And that's a wrap, folks. You are too wise my friend.

I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan. - Rev 2:9 KJV

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. - Rev 3:9 KJV

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